Tragic event BGY airport

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DisregardLogan@reddit

That just seems like a selfish way to go honestly. You traumatise the flight deck crew, the pax, the mechanics, the ground crew….

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Suicide more or less by definition is the result of a way of thinking that has been narrowed, not just to the immediate self, but to the exclusion of all other alternatives in life. It's an awful thing.

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salagadam@reddit

seems like a suicide.

a weird method indeed.

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malcolmmonkey@reddit

Weird but pretty damn perfect. 0% survival chance and 0% chance of hurting anyone else. Not good for the people thst have to see it though, but that’s the same with any suicide.

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fresh_like_Oprah@reddit

Some poor bastards have to take that engine apart

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Debesuotas@reddit

I wonder if there is anything to fix after this... Maybe its more efficient to just write that engine off.

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TBDC88@reddit

It 100% is. You'll never be able to guarantee that every little nook and cranny is free of human remains, it'll get a surface-level cleaning (i.e. pressure wash) from a hazmat crew and then get swapped and scrapped.

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TBDC88@reddit

No they do not, lol. Hazmat crew cleans it, then it gets swapped.

It'll be in a landfill shortly, there's no salvaging an engine after an event like that.

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malcolmmonkey@reddit

Agreed. But if you hang yourself at home some poor bastards have to come round and clean that up as well. ☹️

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geta-rigging-grip@reddit

As a firefighter, my dad had to respond to and deal with the aftermath of several suicides. There's very few methods that don't leave a traumatizing mess for the person who finds you/has to deal with the body.

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malcolmmonkey@reddit

exactly. I'm a bit worried that I'm trivialising it in my previous comment, that wasn't my intention at all.

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Rupperrt@reddit

Pretty high chance of severely traumatizing someone else. There are plenty of methods to do it in private or where no one is around.

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Hareboi@reddit

You have no idea what you're talking about if you think a suicidal person cares about attention in that moment

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Novacc_Djocovid@reddit

Traumatizing a hundred people is hardly „0% chance of hurting anyone“.

Everyone on that plane felt that, some saw it. The first responders are affected, the mechanics cleaning up and repairing that engine will see it. Some people from the terminal saw, some workers on the airfield saw it.

It‘s seems to me like a rather „effective“ way to involve as many people as you can in your suicide to be honest…

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DietCherrySoda@reddit

0% chance of hurting anyone else

I push back hard against this.

At the very least, you're going to cost something like 200 people around 6-24 hours of travel time. To my utilitarian brain, that is like locking up one innocent person for ~3 months. That is real harm. Not only their time, but their lost productivity, their lost time with loved ones. It's not a lot of time per person, but many people.
As others have pointed out, there are a lot of people who are going to be traumatized by this. The pilots will be shaken, likely feel guilty and require therapy. Similar for the mechanics and ramp workers who have to clean up the mess.

If you really want to commit suicide without impacting others, just drive out in to the countryside and jump off a bridge or shoot yourself in the woods or something.

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danwin@reddit

“0% chance of hurting anyone else”? What about the trauma of witnessing that, especially if your view of the resulting gore wasn’t blocked?

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malcolmmonkey@reddit

I addressed that in my comment

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glumanda12@reddit

It’s efficient, fast and painless. Plus it will scratch the end of life itch if the person was aviation enthusiast.

I’m not saying I would do that, but I understand it.

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tamkiki@reddit

I do not think that is painless though

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Cinnimonbuns@reddit

Probably faster than the pain signals could reach the brain from the nerves firing

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RainbowSherbetShit@reddit

You’re not saying that you would do that, but you understand. Hmmm.

What are your retirement plans? Do you happen to be an aviation enthusiast?

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CoatProfessional5026@reddit

Understanding nuances and beliefs without believing them should be at the forefront of everyone's mind nowadays. Wild that you're confused by that sentiment.

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Successful-Bobcat701@reddit

It's not wild at all. It's also the case that the person he's replying to may just be empathetic, it's also possible he may also have similar intentions.

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CoatProfessional5026@reddit

Adorable retort, bro.

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Successful-Bobcat701@reddit

Thanks bro.

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RainbowSherbetShit@reddit

Hey, man. I appreciate you trying to understand where I was coming from.

However, It was just a bad attempt at levity with sarcasm; a poor joke. People are reading way too into it.

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itsOkami@reddit

Empathy and suicidal thoughts are different things, you know

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Extension_Branch_371@reddit

I work at an airport where we have a few regulars who try to do this a couple times a year…

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mimaikin-san@reddit

regulars?

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SopranosBastardSon@reddit (OP)

And i can imagine Volotea headache in the middle of summer season. Definitely engine needs a THOROUGH check, God knows how much time is needed for it. Let alone the cost, insurance covers ofc, but potential loss of sales due to AOG ... mamma mia

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Murpet@reddit

The engine isn’t getting checked. It will be totalled.

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SopranosBastardSon@reddit (OP)

Sorry I am completely without Mx knowledge.

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Murpet@reddit

Don’t apologise. We learn from each other.

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brock0124@reddit

Dang, that’s a refreshing comment to find on the internet. Kudos!

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Volt_OwO@reddit

What is the actual procedure for disposing of an engine in cases like this though? Surely, they're not just doing to dump it with the person's remains in it. Does it get cleaned then dumped into a scrapyard?

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derda@reddit

I don’t know for planes, but I have friends in train maintenance. After police / forensics have collected everything that is still collectable and documented what they have to document, the firefighters will try to Hose everything down. Still there can be parts hidden behind panels etc. that will make the day worse.

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GoldfishDude@reddit

They'd call in a special hazmat team and then strip it for any useful parts, assuming it's not needed for legal reasons

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Asystole@reddit

Reminds me of the incident at AMS a year or so ago - that was a ramp worker though.

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Available_Coyote_441@reddit

Too bad it wasn't Southwest, the guy would've never been able to catch them.

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Jbro12344@reddit

I think the average person doesn’t realize how much engines suck anything in front of them

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hughk@reddit

The average person should not be anywhere near a running engine on the apron. Usually, passengers are supervised. Staff, whether flight, cabin or ground should be fully aware.

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Big-Ergodic_Energy@reddit

I'm scared of the wrong angle with whatever caliber bullet will leave me a vegetable and alive.

This seems like total destruction of the brain pan. If he didn't just get lost while running...

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Intergalatic_Baker@reddit

Wanted to go out with a news report, wanted to be known… Unfortunately, this won’t mean they’ll be remembered, in fact it will be therapeutically hidden from all involved afterwards.

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ercerro@reddit

I was on the plane. The plane was taxiing, it happened right after pushback. Seems like the pax was fleeing.

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gbish@reddit

Nice to see police doing such a good job to prevent pictures etc from passengers

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ercerro@reddit

Yeah, the problem is that they're the ones who should have prevented this as it looks like the man escaped from a luggage loading door

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KennyGaming@reddit

What an odd way of looking at this incident

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mickandmac@reddit

Regardless of the circumstances the person who died was a human being who deserves dignity

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reebokhightops@reddit

You’re telling me they don’t have an officer posted at the luggage loading door 24/7?

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ercerro@reddit

Idk but seems rather wild to me that a man was running on the taxiway of an airport and he was not a passenger nor a worker. What would have happened had he entered the runway? What would have happened if he had other intentions? Just feels crazy to me.

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reebokhightops@reddit

It seems wild because there aren’t a whole lot of people determined to run around an active taxiway without authorization — not because there are tons of such people who are usually caught by the police you imagine are posted at every exit onto the taxiway.

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Galf2@reddit

It happens more frequently than you think.
The thing that stops people from becoming human paste is:
- most don't want to die
- it's easy to catch up to a plane taxiing, not so much to sprint up to the runway and get one taking off, unless you're an olympic sprinter you're gonna get caught before that most likely.

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responded@reddit

With a whip and a chair to fend off any passers by from committing suicide by jumping into a plane engine?

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Galf2@reddit

The dude was sprinting really fast and just launched himself towards the plane.

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upturned2289@reddit

Easy to say that when we have such little information.

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BrilliantThought1728@reddit

Why? I’d want a photo

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ChazR@reddit

Do you realise how much REVENUE they denied to the INFLUENCERS?

/s

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ChazR@reddit

STEP ONE! Take care of yourself. Witnessing an event like this is more traumatic than you realise right now.

STEP TWO - reach out to your loved ones. Tell them what happened. Let them support you.

STEP THREE - allow yourself to suffer a reaction. Consider talking it through with a trained, certified trauma therapist.

I'm so sorry for the person who died, and for you and the others who witnessed this.

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JangoMV@reddit

Step four - Play Tetris

No, seriously

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BBBBPrime@reddit

I had seriously hoped this reddit hoax had run its course a long time ago, but apparently people still parrot this misinformation.

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Zaalim043@reddit

Good job stranger ! 👏🏾👏🏾

The world needs more people like you...

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dohwhere@reddit

To add to this, download Tetris to your phone. It may sound silly, but there have been studies carried out that have concluded that playing games such as Tetris can aid a person that’s been through a traumatic event.

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Jaggedmallard26@reddit

The single study doesn't meaningfully hold up to replication and required doing it immediately anyway. They used tetris as a simple attention demanding activity, the proposed mechanism of action was just distracting your brain during the crucial short -> long term memory forming period. Its a stupid reddit canard that does more harm than good by telling people to do something that does not work during the period it is being recommended in and distracts from things that actually work. Don't play tetris, if you're struggling see a doctor and get a prescription for something that actually works.

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yankee-in-Denmark@reddit

ugh sorry you had to experience that one..

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ercerro@reddit

Yeah.. It was on the opposite side of my seat. Still not a nice feeling

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NeedForSpeed93@reddit

Did you feel something with the turbine engine, that something was out of balance suddenly?

Man sorry you had to experience this

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Galf2@reddit

Breh it's on the ground. All you're going to feel is a large THUNK on the affected engine and vibrations, then the engines get shut down.

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LaplacesDemonsDemon@reddit

Sorry, what is a pax?

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Tripound@reddit

Person.

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KennyGaming@reddit

specifically a person that is not an airline or airport employee

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airwa@reddit

How did you find out? Was there a noise?

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ercerro@reddit

It was a big thoud and the whole airplane suddenly shuddered and shaked

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High_AspectRatio@reddit

Jesus Christ

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Stranger1982@reddit

Some news report it was a suicide.

Italian here, our news say the victim arrived by car, opened an emergency door that leads to the runways and ran towards the plane so yeah, it looks intentional.

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abrhpiu@reddit

on wich flight?

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the_jaynerator@reddit

They were on the flight. How are they supposed to know that level of information!?

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VictorZulu@reddit

Well… maybe because/if they were on that flight, they would know which flight it was ;-)

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real_pasta@reddit

Wait, you’re telling me you don’t play flight roulette? Hop on a random plane to a random destination without knowing where you’re going until you land?

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rosie2490@reddit

That sounds kind of fun actually.

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cuteness_dc@reddit

Wizz Air had an offer for that lol

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abrhpiu@reddit

lol "that level of information"

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abrhpiu@reddit

He said he was "on the plane"

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ercerro@reddit

It was volotea from Milan Bergamo to Oviedo.

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abrhpiu@reddit

Thanks, it doesn’t really seem like top secret info, like u/the_jaynerator thinks

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Chairboy@reddit

I think jaynerator was joking, no? And got mobbed?

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LupineChemist@reddit

Oof....bad experience. Did you see if police were pursuing him before the incident? Was it someone trying to escape....something?

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ercerro@reddit

He was pursued by one airport worker who obviously didn't come near to the plane. I just noticed it afterwards though as everything seemed normal up until that moment.

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Slash787@reddit

How? he opened the door and jumped out?

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ercerro@reddit

He wasn't a passenger of our flight as I understand.

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thezentex@reddit

Feel sorry for the workers that gotta clean it up...I had to clean up the one we had at SAT. Not the best night

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gwdope@reddit

Why wouldn’t you bring in crime scene body cleaners for that?

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cyberentomology@reddit

Because bringing any outside contractors into the secure side of the ramp is a whole ass ordeal.

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thezentex@reddit

We brought in a hazmat team but someone has to escort them and watch them. Then verify they cleaned it all after. That was me

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gwdope@reddit

Big oof.

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SopranosBastardSon@reddit (OP)

Photo doesn't include pic from event, God forbid. It's a screenshot from SACBO.

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JungianWarlock@reddit

"Fun" fact: the Italian (native) version uses a term equivalent to "setback" ("inconveniente") for the English "accident". (Probably because we don't have different words for "accident" and "incident", both are translated as "incidente".)

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Heliosophist@reddit

I noticed that too and didn’t love it since my mental translation was “inconvenience”. I feel like “incidente” would have been the better word

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UCFknight2016@reddit

Can’t imagine what that mess might’ve looked like probably looked like someone dumped some pasta sauce next to the engine. Hopefully no kids saw

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cumulus_prime@reddit

Appears it happened on the taxiway adjacent to the ramp, so either work accident or some PAX moving there, but this is not an area a PAX would end up “by accident”. Very unfortunate, let’s see what the proper investigation will reveal. This airport is hosting a lot of low cost carriers who are boarding via air stairs rather than a gate.

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SurroundSex@reddit

“According to Corriere della Sera, the victim, who was not a passenger or airport staff member at Milan Bergamo Airport, died after being 'sucked into the plane engine'.”

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avd706@reddit

So the victim was a stowaway? Or crew?

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SurroundSex@reddit

From the Italian newspaper “A person is said to have died at Bergamo-Orio al Serio airport after being sucked into the engine of a plane that was preparing for takeoff. The individual allegedly burst into the airport by running into the taxiing aircraft. This is what the Corriere learned from airport sources familiar with the dynamics. It is not clear whether it was a person coming from outside the airport or already present inside, for example a passenger or an employee.”

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TheCommentaryKing@reddit

Yes the man came from outside. He arrived at the airport with his car, drove it on the wrong way of the exits ramp, parked near the bus terminal and made a run inside the airport before opening a door and making his way towards the taxiing aircraft while chased by stewards, police and ground crews.

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cumulus_prime@reddit

Thank you, very sad.

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ercerro@reddit

The captain reported it was someone fleeing

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SWEET__BROWN@reddit

Fleeing what, exactly?

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ercerro@reddit

A policeman and an airport worker looks like

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Sofia_SFSR@reddit

Apparently, he was neither an airport employee nor a passenger but a transpasser. Some newspapers say that he ran straight to the plane and wanted to end his own life.

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YOURPANFLUTE@reddit

Everyone keeps using the word "Pax". I'm a noob. What does that mean?

Sorry for those involved btw

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SilentMode-On@reddit

Passenger

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Foryourconsideration@reddit

technically PAX = revenue passenger, so a baby or a cat will not be considered PAX

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YOURPANFLUTE@reddit

Ah thanks. Seems obvious now that you say it

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_thebronze@reddit

Nope. I was gonna google what airport worker position that was short for. “Passenger” isn’t that hard to type out, but then you don’t feel special being in the special insider knowledge club so I get it. You’re in the club now too, if you also want to feel special.

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Hareboi@reddit

Oh god I learnt a new thing, better go complain about it

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daltonmojica@reddit

Unbelievable. That is normal terminology. Or do you want everything dumbed down to you because you feel threatened about a three-letter word? Keep in mind you're the one barging in the aviation subreddit complaining about fairly trivial terminology. We're not talking about rocket science here. It's an industry standard term.

Are you going to complain that no one is ELI5-ing the rest of the article for you as well?

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_thebronze@reddit

Sure, but we’re commenting in an open aviation forum on the internet, not discussing the matter as professionals AT an airport. My comment is not only believable, it happened. I’ve been on here for years and never noticed the term, probably because it’s mostly used at, say, airports. By airport workers. At the airport.

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thatboythatthing@reddit

Passenger

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adyrip1@reddit

Short for passenger

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felloutoftherack@reddit

Passenger

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Arandomsilver@reddit

Passenger(s)

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storageshmorage@reddit

Passenger

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Odd_Temperature6096@reddit

Yikes, how does that happen to a passenger?

Shouldn’t the engines be off before boarding? Doesn’t the airport use those barriers to indicate where passengers should stand? RIP.

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ExoticMangoz@reddit

Apparently this happened during taxiing, not boarding. Related though, aircraft definitely have engines on when boarding, though I’m not a pilot and I don’t know if there are “stages” of “on”.

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scara940@reddit

Aircraft definitely do not have engines running during boarding! That would be a very bad time for everyone involved. Sometimes the fan spins because of the wind but the engine is not on. Just fyi

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ExoticMangoz@reddit

What’s the really loud engine-like noise emitted from the plane during boarding?

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thespermthatsurvived@reddit

Usually APU (Auxiliary Power Unit), it’s a little engine in the tail of the aircraft that provides electricity and other stuff

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jamvanderloeff@reddit

Running the actual engines while boarding in a jet is very rare, normally they're running off of the APU and/or power/pneumatics supplied from carts on the ground while parked.

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tulki123@reddit

Quite, it’s not uncommon on props to run the #2 engine as the APU but the prop brake will be on. Jets I can’t even think of a time I’ve seen it even it very small airports (I exclude biz jet / air ambulance work which is different matter)

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gdamt@reddit

Looks as though it may have been a trespasser.

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No-Celebration-4347@reddit

That's wild, I was just at that airport 2 weeks ago and remember telling my gf that the runway and entire tarmac area was so close to the public roadway and parking garage, that it's just a simple fence separating those areas.

I'm no expert but I've never before been to an airport where that lack of distance caught my attention.

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CollegeStation17155@reddit

He apparently went into the baggage claim area and crawled through an access door after leaving his car in the pickup area.

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TheTangoFox@reddit

Could also be ground crew

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Erwin_zan@reddit

Italian news says that the trespasser was saw running towards the plane. I doubt someone from ground crew would intentionally run towards a plane engine

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StarWars_92@reddit

That’s what happened at Schipol last year. It was a KLM employee.

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TheTangoFox@reddit

Eh, the downdoots have spoken.

No debate needed on breaking news 🙃

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sexuallyactivepope@reddit

Well, they became ground human.

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Panzerwaffer@reddit

I saw on one of the news site that it was a trespassers, do update here if anyone else has more information

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Uncle-Cake@reddit

A "pax"? You mean a "person"?

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dohwhere@reddit

“Pax” means passenger, which is reasonable to use in a discussion about an airport.

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css555@reddit

>"The Italian reportedly arrived at the airport without a ticket and made his way to a restricted area leading to the runway before two Border Police on duty attempted to stop him. He managed to free himself from the officers before running onto the tarmac..."

Nice to know our runways are secure...

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Area51_Spurs@reddit

I can’t decide if this is the best way to commit suicide or the worst (in terms of efficacy). But it might be the most effective.

Fucking tragic. Obv we don’t want anyone killing themselves (for the most part). But doing it in a way that traumatizes probably hundreds or thousands of people is really fucking terrible.

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JetDJ@reddit

I think worst. Because much like jumping off a building, there will be time to change your mind about wanting to die, but you'll be powerless to alter the outcome. Once that suction grabs you, you are going in. Obviously only a few seconds, if even that, but I can't even imagine the horror of being drawn in to the engine and realising that actually, you do want to live, but now your death is inevitable.

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booster1000@reddit

Agreed, and a damn expensive way too.

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CaptainRAVE2@reddit

Tough job for anyone who has to service that engine.

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peepay@reddit

service

That's a weird way to say scrap.

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CaptainRAVE2@reddit

Broken beyond repair?

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Merp-26@reddit

Probably. Our bones are pretty hard, and turbine engines don't like it when they ingest hard things. The compressor stages are probably wrecked.

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afwaller@reddit

birds have hollow bones. people don't.

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Constant-Wonder-438@reddit

Its was neither a passenger nor a ramp worker and it happened on a taxiway, according to this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14885137/amp/Italian-international-airport-closed-deadly-freak-accident-taxiway.html

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peteroh9@reddit

But can you give us a non-Daily Mail article, bot?

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cyberdork@reddit

An Italian international airport has been closed after a man was reportedly sucked into a jet engine as a plane prepared to take off.

According to Bergamon News, the victim, 35, who was not a passenger or airport staff member at Milan Bergamo Airport, entered the terminal in his car before abandoning the vehicle and running into the building.

He is then believed to have forced one of the doors open in the baggage claim area before running onto the tarmac and into the path of an aircraft that was taxiing.

Flightradar24 data shows Airbus A319 flight V73511 from Milan to Austurias, Spain, was on the move for only one minute and 55 seconds before the accident occurred.

The plane, which has engines that can spin at nearly 15,000 rotations per minute, reportedly completing the 'pushback' move to exit the parking area.

Flights scheduled to arrive at the airport, which is one of Italy's biggest - have now been diverted this morning following the 'fatal accident'.

At 11:50am one flight was diverted to Bologna, two were redirected to Verona, and six were sent to Milan Malpensa.

Eight departing flights were cancelled after oeprations at the airport were suspended at 10:20am.. Air traffic has now resumed.

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Ypocras@reddit

Good bot!

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gtsaffiliate@reddit

damn username checks out

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Gilmere@reddit

These aircraft engines are so powerful, so large, and hang so low that it is a wonder and testament to training, security, and luck I suppose that this does not happen a lot more. But with all that professionalism in the way, folks can still find a way, sadly.

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