This ERJ175 still has that new car smell.
Posted by Substantial_Tap_2493@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 14 comments
Flying to O’Hare on a brand spanking new E175. Don’t think I have ever flown on a plane this new before. N784YX Also not a bad view this morning.
ketchup1345@reddit
I'm surprised America has that law about weight for a small plane. Because it stops them from getting the E2 Jets. American recently ordered a bunch of those E175s but the E275 is too fat and heavy for America
biggsteve81@reddit
There is no law. It is part of the contract with the pilots union to ensure that airlines don't outsource all of their short-haul flights to their regional subsidiaries.
rogerrei1@reddit
Still weird that they won't budge on the weight limit. The number of passengers did not change much. My understanding is that the higher MTOW is mainly due to the larger wings and engines.
biggsteve81@reddit
The union would negotiate if the airlines offered them something in exchange. Apparently the airlines aren't really that desperate for the E2 jets or they would have made it part of the new negotiations.
rogerrei1@reddit
Yeah, i understand. Still weird to me as a newer and more efficient aircraft seems like a win for every party.
SeatPrize7127@reddit
Easing scope clause is a HUGE loss for the mainline pilots. To be quite frank, it's already too generous.
biggsteve81@reddit
While they are a win, airlines may have to sacrifice more financially in their union negotiations than these newer planes would bring in cost savings. Whenever that situation flips you can expect a change.
rogerrei1@reddit
Hopefully that point comes before Embraer scraps the new design. Would be shame.
jggearhead10@reddit
There are so many examples of air-framers just dumping decades and billions of dollars in R&D just to learn that unions won’t budge on the scope clause (CRJ-1000, Mitsubishi spacejet, and now the E175-E2). It’s a dumb assumption that has literally bankrupted companies. Embraer should have known better.
Adjutant_Reflex_@reddit
More weird to me is that a company would design a jet they knew wouldn’t meet existing scope clauses in their largest market.
Both Mitsubishi and Embraer designed jets that failed to meet the contractual limits. Mitsubishi bailed on their program entirely and the E2 is limping along with anemic E190-E2 sales while the E175-E2 looks to have been shelved permanently.
rogerrei1@reddit
They were counting on the Boeing merger and the power of their lobbyists to force change on the scope clauses.
Obviously that did not work out. Talk about counting the chickens before they hatch.
Adjutant_Reflex_@reddit
The E2 Series pre-dates the JV by quite a few years; the jets were already in production by the time the JV was initiated.
Embraer just completely misread the market and built a product (almost) no one wants, and lots of people can’t buy if they did want it.
truffoli@reddit
You are probably on the first 100 people sitting on that Seat
Substantial_Tap_2493@reddit (OP)
Captain said this was the second fare flight of this aircraft. Pretty neat.