Israeli plan for forced transfer of Gaza’s population ‘a blueprint for crimes against humanity’ according to legal experts and academics | plan is described as ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the creation of “a concentration camp or a transit camp for Palestinians before they expel them”
Posted by Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 306 comments
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
That one is likely just a threat. The logistics behind this plan are a nightmare- and it would be dangerous to soldiers.
It's a way to pressure hamas inot accepting a deal- and a bad one at that.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
I would not be so sure. Smotrich, Gvir and others are passionate zionists, and many see expelling Arabs from the "Promised Land" as a religious requirement or religious endeavour.
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Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Were also against the former hostage deal, and it still went through. Their influence is limited.
IdiAmini@reddit
Bullshit, Smotrich and Gvir can blow up Netanyahu coalition at every moment and thus have tremendous power in Israeli government. Why do you guys always lie so much?
redelastic@reddit
You are talking about the Defence Minister announcing this,
Honestly never thought I'd see Israelis defending concentration camps.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Precisely. I am talking about katz. He ain't a minister because of honesty, I will tell you that much.
Israeli politicians, likud especially, are liars. You should know that- katz himself swore he will not transfer palestinians not too long ago.
Now, hopefully hamas has the same confirmation bias as you do, and will actally believe that idiot.
redelastic@reddit
So, you're saying the Defence Minister of Israel holds an official media briefing announcing an operational plan - but it's somehow not real.
They've been talking about this plan for many months - it's not some anomaly.
This is the plan.
Stop with the deception. Israel has done every appalling thing it said it would do. When it said it would withhold all aid for three months - it did..
It's literally an announcement by a country's defence minister.. There is no confirmation bias. He confirmed it. Why are you continually trying to deny reality?
FudgeAtron@reddit
Katz isn't real, he's skinsack puppet for Bibi. He regularly threatens to bomb random places and tweets insane shit and none of it comes to fruition because he's just a puppet of Bibi.
Traditionally in Israel the defence minister was somewhat independent of the PM, that's why Bibi replaced Gallant with Katz. Gallant had institutional support from the military Katz doesn't.
redelastic@reddit
If the plan is not real, then can you explain why they have already discussed this plan with the White House?
FudgeAtron@reddit
You still acting like this is a regular presidency where things that are discussed in the White House are taken seriously.
The White House is a God damn media circus act, I don't think anything that happened there seriously. The whole point of it is to just make Trump feel like a big man nothing they talk about is serious.
And almost none of it has come to pass. All those massive projects that they keep on pushing and talking about not one of them actually happened.
Anti-Trump people seem to so easily identify that he's a bullshit artist con artist who doesn't get anything done on everything except Palestine.
redelastic@reddit
Can you explain why they have already discussed this plan with the White House?
FudgeAtron@reddit
Because it feeds the media circus and ultimately that's what Trump cares about.
Can you explain to me why journalists have seen documents detailing US invasion plans for Canada? You seem to think because they planned for it, it must happen.
redelastic@reddit
It's Israel that held the media briefing announcing the plan. None of what you say adds up.
FudgeAtron@reddit
How can Israel hold a media briefing in the White House if it's an Israeli briefing?
I'm not even sure how this is connected to what I said?
redelastic@reddit
It was a briefing for Israeli journalists.
The meeting at the White House took place months ago.
FudgeAtron@reddit
I'm just confused is your argument that because Israel briefs journalists on it it's definitely going to happen?
Don't you guys argue that everything says is a lie that can't be trusted? Why is this trustworthy if other things are not?
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
When katz announced that palestinians will not be transfered from gaza- did you believe him?
redelastic@reddit
The plans have already been discussed with the White House.
I'm not interested in getting into some semantic dance around your lies.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Why not? They defend rape, murder, starvation and ethnic cleansing on the regular. This is just standard Israeli online behavior at this point
redelastic@reddit
True. I shouldn't be surprised by their boundless immorality.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
There was push from others including the hostage families to get hostages back.
Smotrich and Gvir have argued against ceasefire or peace deals. And Gazans are continuing to stave, be bombed, or murdered by aid workers without mercy or discretion for crossing imaginary lines.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
None of them voted, or will vote for the current government- the same people protestijg for thebhostages, also protested against the judicial reforms, and his trial before.
If there is no ceasefire, there will be no humanitarian cities as well.
Simlin97@reddit
It's weird how the Israeli public absolutely despises settlers, radical Zionists, Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Bibi, fascism, corruption, anti-Palestinian racists, etc, but still somehow always ends up with them in government for well over 15 years in a row now. Poor them :/
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Ben gvir and smutrich are very new additions. This is basically the only government where they had any power.
Bibi is seen as a default option by many.
Simlin97@reddit
Ben Gvir and Smotrich themselves are new, fine. But don't act like previous governments haven't been just as settler-friendly and as much in favour of a Palestinian-free single Israeli state as them.
You're not doing anyone any favours by denying the Israeli voters accountability for the fascists they elect.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
Arguing that there was limited political need to try to get some hostages back or reach a ceasefire deal is ridiculous.
I am sure zionists would agree to a ceasefire if it meant it would aid their ethnic cleansing or genocidal ambitions.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Reality is often ridiculus.
The hostages are politically opposed to the government- that is a fact. The government has consistently undermined need to return the hostages in the media, official statements and behaviour. In fact- the voters for ben gvir and smutrich are very much against the release of palestinians.
The reason why bibi accepted the previous ceasefire, was because of pressure from trump- and even then, he came dangerously close to losing the government.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
Trump would also represent political pressure.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_war_ceasefire
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Trump is a political influence on israel, not so much so on hamas.
Though, as you can see- trump seems to be in favor of transfer, as stupid idea as it is.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
Yes, I was thinking of Trump as a political influence on Israel. Zionists seem to oppose the ceasefire or peace deals, or as long as it may hinder ethnic cleansing or genocide. While others push Israel towards getting hostages back or ending the war.
And yes, this transfer idea seems unjust in inhumane to me, especially considering Israel's actions thus far fueling the humanitarian crisis and making something like this seem like a good idea to some.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
This is happening no matter what. Israel wants to make it's own channel for trade through that region, giving western shipping quick access to the east. They can't have Gazan's near that trade route. This has been the goal from the start.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
How does gaza helps in trade?
Not really sure how. It's the same distance whether you go through the gaza waters, or not. Sinai is in the way, and gaza isn't close to anything important.
Private_HughMan@reddit
I would hope so but I REALLY doubt it. These guys seem to really want to ethnically cleanse Gaza, either completely or nearly completely. They might let some stay as workers in any new Israeli resort town they open up, though probably without full citizenship.
Either way, you don't play around with ethnic cleansing or genocide.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
What this article fail to mention, is the fact that katz also said, that the works will begin during the ceasefire- that currently has no date.
Now, nothing prevents him from starting now, if what he wanted was to simply transfer the population.
But no- he wants to send a message- "if we don't reach and end of the war by the end of the ceasefire, there will not be a need for another one".
This is a political statement.
redelastic@reddit
This plan was leaked months ago. Try to run cover for atrocities all you like but you can't hold back the tide. Israel is runniing concentration camps.
FudgeAtron@reddit
And US plans to invade Canada have also leaked, just cause you plan for something doesn't mean you intend to do it.
Irish plans to invade Northern Ireland in 1970 also leaked doesn't mean they were actually going to happen.
redelastic@reddit
Every evil plan Israel has announced they have followed through on.
FudgeAtron@reddit
That's literally not true. I'm guessing you think this because you don't actually know how much shit they announce and then never mention again.
If you don't actually pay attention to Hebrew announcements you won't have even a hint of how much they announce nothing burgers.
redelastic@reddit
Name an evil plan they haven't followed through on. I can't think of one.
FudgeAtron@reddit
Assassinating Khamenei. Taking more Syrian territory up until Damascus. Toppling Jolani. Creating a Druze State. Occupying Beirut. Expelling everyone from Jenin refugee camp.
Honestly you feel like the Der Sturmer joke:
I'm glad you believe Katz to be supremely competent but most Israelis don't see him that way, he's much more of a joke tbh.
redelastic@reddit
With the complete lack of self-awareness that much of the world now consider Israel to be the modern-day Nazis, due to their crimes against humanity.
FudgeAtron@reddit
See this is why speaking to you lot is such a slog, you asked me a question I gave you the answer, your response is to just say "Well we all think you're Nazis anyway!"
What do you think that those Israelis who browse r/anime_titties are completely ignorant of how you people view us? Do you think we don't read your comments? Do you think we don't remember your u/s?
Like every time one of you does this it just feels like you've been dying to say that to an Israeli, what do you expect us to say? Oh no the euros no longer like us oh boo hoo, we really respected their opinions and valued their input
What are you actually hoping to get out of this interaction? Like I could also respond with our stereotypes of the Irish, but that would serve no purpose.
rattleandhum@reddit
I should set a reminder on this post for 5 years. We'll see how many have been achieved by then, or how many attempts they make.
FudgeAtron@reddit
If the thing is listed? Or some other criteria?
Private_HughMan@reddit
They passed legislation for this, dude. If it's a bluff, they're going VERY far with it. Did you ever consider they might not be bluffing?
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
What do you mean by that?
Private_HughMan@reddit
My bad. The legislation was PROPOSED, but as far as I know has not yet passed.
https://www.jns.org/knesset-bill-offers-cash-to-gazans-willing-to-relocate/
It's something they've held multiple meetings for.
https://www.jns.org/knesset-caucus-explores-trump-relocation-plan-as-only-realistic-alternative/
For years.
https://en.royanews.tv/news/46460
redelastic@reddit
It's just a prank bro.
Israel proposes legislation for a prank.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Besides the fact that the issue is the cities- not the willing transfer,
The fact it has been in the cneset for years (long before 2023, btw), but no actual law was passed, or any plan was actually formed, kinda shows exactly what israeli lawmakers are doing here.
It's populism. Everybody knows a forceful transfer is logistically impossible, and a willful transfer will only make educated palestinians to take the offer- leaving only those that stay here with ideological reasons.
But it sounds like a plan, and that's enough for most people. Like the wall trump wanted to build.
Private_HughMan@reddit
A key difference is now the US is on board with ethnic cleansing.
Again, I REALLY hope you're right. But it feels different. It feels like they've been waiting for this.
frisch85@reddit
So basically inducing fear among a group of people to make them do what you want, such practice is called "Terrorism".
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Terrorise the terrorists. Sounds like fun.
Onuus@reddit
That’s some fortified mental gymnastics you got there! Y’all just won’t ever stop huh
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Since when do you believe everything an israeli politician tells you?
What- critical thinking stops when you agree with someone?
The construction will only begin after a ceasefire is in place.
This is, quite literrally a way to pressure hamas into acvepting the israeli terms to a permanent end to the war.
Federal_Thanks7596@reddit
Please, stop resisting so we can finally ethnically cleanse you. Is that what you're trying to say?
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Not at all. The opposite in fact- release of hostage, disarmament and exile/imprisonment of hamas is the point.
Federal_Thanks7596@reddit
So what does it mean? I don't hear anything about a solution.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
That would solve the hamas issue. Which is the reason for the war.
Afterwards, an israelin receptive government could be established. Likely PA, or one headed by other arab countries.
redelastic@reddit
And this would happen after the ethnic cleansing?
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Before. Any ethnic cleansing proposal would take years at least.
redelastic@reddit
What are you on about? You're been ethnically cleansing them for almost two years.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Last time I checked- they are not leaving gaza.
redelastic@reddit
You've displaced over 2 million from their homes, and destroyed said homes, and are forcing them from their home areas into a concentration camp to be forcibly expelled.
Ethnic cleansing.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
As generally happens in war. What do you think happened to israelis in the north and south when mortalrs and missiels started raining down on them? Diplaced and destroyed homes.
Would you rather civilians would die in military operations? Would you rather israel to not clear the neighborhood before they drop a bomb?
Not yet. This is the the plan discussed here.
Willingly expelled. As in, offering payment and free passage to another country. And that wasn't confirmed or approved yet.
Still could be considered ethnic cleansing under some interpertations,
But at least try to be accurate. Steelmanning is always better than strawmanning.
redelastic@reddit
No, that generally doesn't happen in war.
It's a genocide.
It makes my skin crawl having to engage with someone like you.
I know you will never stop lying but I hope at some point in the future, you will stop defending atrocities. Though I know you never will.
Stop advocating for evil.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Got any war where that didn't happen?
redelastic@reddit
Where 2 million people aren't forcibly displaced, have their homes and society destroyed, starved and put in concentration camps? Heaps.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Is the displacement, or the starvation the issue?
Starvation is not ethnic cleansing, and you know that.
Displacement is not rare in war, and you know that.
redelastic@reddit
Oh, is this the bit where you justify the mass starvation of a population eg a war crime.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Yea, we passed the part where you actually defend your argumnets.
redelastic@reddit
My argument is stop starving and killing innocent civilians.
That you think I should have to defend this says more about you advocating for evil.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
No- your argument was about ethnic cleansing.
This is literally the first time you are mentioning killings.
Federal_Thanks7596@reddit
How will the Hamas issue be solved? By arresting the leaders? Or everyone who might had something to do with them? What with the Hamas or other resistance group that remain?
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Arresting and deporting the leaders, and influential members of hamas, pij, etc, as well as disarmament- specifically handing the idf the locations of warehouses and labs to be destroyed.
While it will not be 100 percent, an 80-90 percent of it removed, would make it harder for any other organization to recreate both the organization and power of hamas.
The next government should deal with other issues.
redelastic@reddit
"What's wrong with concentration camps?"
- An Israeli
What episode of Black Mirror are we living in.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
Just like trump told us all along about mass deportations in the US and people now acting surprised when he’s doing it,
This is a similar situation where many people in leader positions in both the US and Israel have been telling us that this is their plan for months now. Bibi was smiling like a kid when trump said this was his plan.
This is a horrible thing to even discuss, even if it is a negotiation tactic.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Thing is- that plan has no date. That article did not write so- but katz also said, that the construction will start with if a ceasefire with hamas is reached.
Almost like- this is a way to pressure hamas into accepting an end to the war, under israeli terms, rather than the terms hamas wants.
This article by haaretz- does tell that:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/katz-calls-for-confining-all-gazans-in-humanitarian-city-built-over-rafahs-ruins/
redelastic@reddit
So desperate to defend crimes against humanity.
Every other appalling war crime Israel said it would use to punish the people of Gaza has come to pass.
GothicGolem29@reddit
When you said is not did you mean into accepting the deal or not accepting it?
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
The word was "into". Edited the comment.
GothicGolem29@reddit
Thanks for the clarification
redelastic@reddit
Straight in there defending Israel's concentration camps, ethnic cleansing and genocide.
LeGrandLucifer@reddit
You mean displacing an entire population would be akin to genocide? Why, that goes against the Canadian narrative! Can't call what was done to the Acadians a genocide now can we?
Can we?
rattleandhum@reddit
Is this meant to be some kind of gotcha? You think the people campaigning for the rights of Palestinians don't also advocate for native rights?
LeGrandLucifer@reddit
It is definitely a gotcha to Canadians who have been trying to whitewash what happened.
Acadians aren't natives. They're french canadians.
FrostiBoi78@reddit
It comes across as whataboutism. Are you trying to downplay what's happening in Gaza or do you just have this vested interest in a genocide which happened 250 years ago, the consequences of which aren't really felt today?
MuteTitan77@reddit
Yes, most people agree what was done to the Natives in North America was genocide. Is was bad then and it's bad now.
elperuvian@reddit
Yes, and the same America did to the Mexicans that were living there and by treaty they have to to respect their property rights.
Also Florida when the British took they did ethnic cleansing which explains the later problem Spain had after getting Florida back just 20 years later.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
It looks like some scholars do consider the Expulsion of the Acadians to be ethnic cleansing or genocide while others argue against this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Acadians
meister2983@reddit
A third of Acadians died in that deportation, so it feels more genocidal
shieeet@reddit
Sure, why not 💁♂️
BringOutTheImp@reddit
If they were guaranteed decent housing and employment elsewhere I don't see how that would be a bad thing.
I'm just trying to imagine myself living a place that hasn't seen peace in 80 years, where 40% of people are unemployed, and that is run by a designated terrorist organization. So I'm either leaving in fear of the local "government" that can kill me at will, or I'm leaving in fear of getting bombed by Israel as retaliation for something the local govt did. Now I'm offered a place in a different country, say another Arab country, where the people share my language and culture, and I'm offered a safe place to stay and a stable way to make a living - I would take that offer in a heartbeat.
Prosthemadera@reddit
Ethnic cleansing is bad. Simple. Whether they find jobs elsewhere is irrelevant.
People die when ethnically cleansed. Always.
But Israel is the one who is being constantly attacked, no? Why don't they move somewhere else? It's all Arab countries around them, clearly they're the ones who don't have the same language and culture.
Let them be forcefully removed from their homes, right? But people will see the issue when I say Israelis should be ethnically cleansed but calling for an ethnic cleansing of Gaza is just fine.
meister2983@reddit
No they don't. No one died when Israel forcibly deported settlers from Gaza
Sure if you use a definition that ethnic cleansing is the bad population transfer it is tautology.
IdiAmini@reddit
Look up the definition of Ethnic Cleansing before you spout your nonsense again
If you were able to look up the definition of Ethnic Cleansing, you would know it is always bad if one entity decided for another where they should go. But alas, you have no clue, as usual
meister2983@reddit
There is no objective definition of ethnic cleansing. You might want to provide the one you are using so we can have a discussion on it
Ala117@reddit
Then why do they not do the same for the west bank?
BringOutTheImp@reddit
>Ethnic cleansing is bad. Simple. Whether they find jobs elsewhere is irrelevant.
Its not simple, although I'm sure you wish it was. If I have a better life, you calling me "ethnically cleansed" wouldn't make it any worse.
>People die when ethnically cleansed. Always.
The Syrians are "ethnically cleansing" themselves by moving into Europe. What's your take on that?
>But Israel is the one who is being constantly attacked, no? Why don't they move somewhere else?
Israel's GDP per capita is around $57,000/year, which is better than most of the world. They're doing quite well for themselves, and an average Israeli isnt worried that their government will kill them for speaking out against it.
IdiAmini@reddit
All Zionist don't know the meaning of Ethnic Cleansing it seems. Here is another one looking like a complete fool (because he is)
your_red_triangle@reddit
easy to do "quite well for themselves" when you get billions in aid and steal land from others. Funny how that's overlooked by your shit Hasbara nonsense you keep spreading.
yeah tell that to Yitzhak Rabin, who was murdered by Israeli terrorists, for even trying to bring peace and seeing the Palestinians as humans.
Zorboids@reddit
Only the US and it's cronies designate Hamas a terrorist organization (like they do with every group that fights back against western oppression), the majority of the world does not.
meister2983@reddit
Hamas is a terrorist organization because it literally commits terrorism.
Most of the world has bigger issues than labeling some foreign actor they never encounter a terrorist.
IdiAmini@reddit
Guess the IDF is a terrorist entity as well, seeing as the IDF has wrought way more terror upon a civilian population than Hamas ever did
meister2983@reddit
Normally militaries are not called terrorist entities. But if you want to call it that, sure.
Doesn't invalidate that Hamas is a terrorist organization
Ala117@reddit
So is the idf.
meister2983@reddit
Now you are changing the discussion
Ala117@reddit
So are you, look at the post's title.
BringOutTheImp@reddit
they take hostages, use suicide bombers, and throw gays off the rooftops. What would you call that?
Zorboids@reddit
Much more moderate that the long list of crimes the US, israel, and it's allies commit.
Jumbo-box@reddit
Wasn't throwing gays from rooftops an ISIS thing?
I wonder who is associated with ISIS. Definitely not israel.
IdiAmini@reddit
You're funny. They have just armed ISIS members to fight against Hamas, you nitwit
your_red_triangle@reddit
is that why they're arming them and funding them.... try keeping up
Jumbo-box@reddit
I thought the implied sarcasm would be apparent but I guess not.
your_red_triangle@reddit
ah, my apologies. seen too many genocidal Hasbara bots making similar comments.
Jumbo-box@reddit
All good my friend. Never stop calling out their bullshit for what it is
stonkmarxist@reddit
Proof?
shugthedug3@reddit
Never seen any.
I have however seen footage of IDF throwing civilians off rooftops.
SealingTheDeal69420@reddit
Because it doesn't exist. There has never been a case of this happening. There was 1 video of ISIS doing it in 2015 labelled as Hamas but obviously that's not important at all in this context
SurfiNinja101@reddit
Israeli defence force soldiers raped a person on camera and protests broke out in favour of said rapists because they were upset that they were removed from service because of it.
redelastic@reddit
Israel burns children alive, shoots children in the head every day, rapes doctors to death, starves an entire population, attacks handicapped children with dogs, uses elderly men as human shields and murders them, kills the most journalists, aid workers and healthcare workers in history, bombs hospitals, leaves newborn babies to decompose in an ICU, kills thousands of babies aged 0-1, kills pregnant women, arrests and sexually assaults children, opens fire on starving people and kills them, murders entire families, executes paramedics and buries them in mass graves, blows limbs off children, tortures and gang rapes detainees, The list goes on,
Zipz@reddit
Only Iran and it’s cronies don’t consider them terrorist
Zorboids@reddit
Wrong, but blatantly refusing to accept basic facts is typical for a zionist
https://i.redd.it/dmjeswiri4181.png
Zipz@reddit
I mean you only believe Israel’s a terrorist and no one else
After all you just said you don’t thinking hostages and taking over civillian ships that have nothing to do with Israel isnt terrorism
Zorboids@reddit
Because that is a blatant lie as well. If the ships had nothing to do with the genocidal zionist regime, they were allowed to peacefully pass. Have you tried not lying for once?
Zipz@reddit
https://news.usni.org/2024/03/24/chinese-tanker-hit-with-houthi-missile-in-the-red-sea
Plenty examples
https://acleddata.com/yemen-conflict-observatory/red-sea-attacks-dashboard/
Zorboids@reddit
Your first link is missing a lot of info, like the fact that:
https://www.thestandard.com.hk/china-news/article/214684/Chinese-owned-tanker-hit-by-Houthi-missile-in-Red-Sea-CENTCOM
Sure, mistakes happen in war and no one is perfect, but their goal of stopping ships from countries supporting the genocide is noble and justified.
Your second link just reinforces the point that they are blocking ships from the countries that are supporting the genocide.
Zipz@reddit
Mistake can be war crimes which is what happened here
It’s really embarrassing how you are defending this
meister2983@reddit
Misleading. Green is both no statement and declared not a terrorist.
India for instance clearly labeled Hamas as using terrorism on October 7
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Chalibard@reddit
But even in your wildest dream there is no such offer, so you can see how that's a bad thing.
The West Bank palestinians are also getting killed, their houses bulldozered, without the Hamas it seems like it's not really about what their local government do.
BringOutTheImp@reddit
Gaza is getting pulverized, West Bank has an occasional skirmish, it's not even close.
Israel completely pulled out of Gaza in 2005, there were no Israelis there until Hamas brought in hostages on Oct 7 2023.
redelastic@reddit
Israel has forcibly displaced over 40,000 people from their homes in the West Bank since October 2023.
That is not an "occasional skirmish".
It's currently Gaza-lite in terms of the genocide but Israel are waiting to start there.
Where in "Mongolia" are you from?
Stelist_Knicks@reddit
If he's from Mongolia. I'd be very surprised. He has a very old account and has never mentioned Mongolia once. He's sure mentioned the word Israel a lot though. https://redditcommentsearch.com/
He also, as a counter to a user saying Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza, said that Syrians are ethnically cleansing themselves by moving to Europe.
redelastic@reddit
If he's from Mongolia, I live in a yurt and ride horseback across the Steppe.
IdiAmini@reddit
And here comes the litmus test. Who do you hold responsible for turning Gaza into a parking lot? To me, it is clear that it is Israel. Even when they get a decent offer, it still is ethnic cleansing. Even if Gaza's Palestinians ask to be deported, it is still ethnic cleansing. They would not ask if Gaza had not been turned into a parking lot, by Israel
You have zero moral fibre in your body it seems
self-assembled@reddit
You know the Nazis talked up the Madagascar plan as a good thing for Jews before choosing the gas chambers instead. You are literally thinking like a Nazi. Good job.
Far_Advertising1005@reddit
Yeah man I’m sure that after all the reports of withholding aid and straight up murder the Israelis are going to build them a 5 star resort.
They’re going to force them to build a Theresienstadt style fake village, show everyone in the media then ship em off to cramped cells.
stonkmarxist@reddit
Arguing in favour of concentration camps and ethnic cleansing should get you an automatic ban
BufferUnderpants@reddit
It’s good in a way that we get a few of these ghouls to watch live talking like they normally would, if not filtered through Western propaganda outlets
HireEddieJordan@reddit
Now imagine, this deal with the decent housing blah blah, it's the funniest thing...
That place, in a different country, that someone gave you, turns out there's already people living there and they're not sure what's going on.
I'm sure you'll hash it out tho no biggie.
redelastic@reddit
So you support concentration camps and ethnic cleansing?
Thanks for your input, Donald.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
Regardless of religion, I think asking or forcing an entire group of people to leave a land despite the fact that many were born and raised there is ridiculous and immoral.
And religion is aiding to Palestinian resistance to leaving the land. The land is viewed as holy or sacred to many of them, similar to many Israelis.
HockeyHocki@reddit
The Guardian conflating two different things here your average 3 header on reddit can't discern.
2.There is no forced expulsion. If the fallout of war has left the territory in such a state that given a viable alternative leaving is preferential, Gazans have only their own war mongering jihadi government to thank for that
Far_Advertising1005@reddit
Hitler isn’t forcing Jews out of the Reich, he’s transferring them to “Jewish-only villages” in the Eastern Reich
And if they didn’t want that to happen, why didn’t they leave the first several hundred times he demanded them to before he enacted the Final Solution?’
redelastic@reddit
Maybe if we lobby our local TDs, we can get this gobshite to change his flair to Israel?
HockeyHocki@reddit
I get it you guys love to push your nazi analogies but the jews never waged war against germany
Far_Advertising1005@reddit
Both the Holocaust and the genocide in Gaza kicked off with the justification being ‘they’re terrorists!’ Ernst vom Rath and October 7th. In both situations the Nazis and Israelis acted like this moment was the start of the issue, and that there was absolutely nothing preceding it that might have caused this on their part.
Even if none of that was true things are never on a 1:1 scale in history. Zionists always have to act like they have no idea how a comparison works in order to fish for their responses because they can’t actually confront the comparison itself.
HockeyHocki@reddit
There is nothing to compare, one is was a genocide, the other is not
Far_Advertising1005@reddit
Even if it wasn’t (it is) you’ve perfectly demonstrated my point about being intentionally dense and acting like you’ve never seen a comparison before.
I just gave you two very obvious parallels and you had to ignore them and latch onto my use of the word ‘genocide’ because you’re unable to respond to any of it without admitting you used Nazi rhetoric to refer to Palestinians being forcefully transferred.
I’ve noticed with Zionists that they are perfectly capable of repeating lines fed to them by the Knesset and their hasbara bots but are completely unable to actually explain these points. See above with ‘you can’t compare this to the Holocaust!!!!’ and ‘it isn’t a genocide!!!’
HockeyHocki@reddit
very obvious parallels? what are you smoking, the actions of a single disgruntled jew is a parallel for Oct 7th??
As much as it may pain you to accept it Hamas actually are terrorists, the jews were not. the Nazi's invented a scapegoat, where as unfortunately Hamas are very real threat. It's a ridiculous and frankly disgusting comparison
Far_Advertising1005@reddit
Never said Hamas weren’t terrorists?
Also, who funded Hamas to begin with?
Again, do you know what a comparison is? I was comparing the mindset of Nazis and Israelis at the time, not a 1:1 historical comparison.
HockeyHocki@reddit
If you try and tell me Netanyahu financed Hamas I will die of cringe
Far_Advertising1005@reddit
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/
HockeyHocki@reddit
Yeah as I thought, that article makes no such claim. Allowing Qatari cash into Gaza is not Netanyahu financing Hamas
Ala117@reddit
Good.
redelastic@reddit
Oh, you mean the "humanitarian zone" where they shot dead over 500 starving people.
Another day, another deeply embarrassing take from the plastic Paddy.
When are you changing your flair to Israel?
party_core_@reddit
huh?
ftfy
We have always been at war with Oceania.
ftfy
if somebody has to jump in to fix your comment in such fundamental ways, the soundness of your worldview does come into question
c0mputar@reddit
Only in the Gaza Strip can the government wage a war on their neighbour, and then no country in the world will accept affected citizens as refugees while the war continues, thereby forcing the neighbour into an insurgency fight amongst displaced populations.
All while the rest of the world calls on the neighbour, Israel, to not try and move the displaced populations out of harm's way, while the insurgents move amongst them all. Meanwhile, the world, even neighbouring Arab states, continue to reject any safe harbour for Palestinians.
Quite an unfortunate conflict of contradictions, double standards, and horror.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
I do not think the concern is regarding moving "the displaced populations out of harm's way". I think the concern is regarding ethnic cleaning of the region, or thinking everyone within a region, including at hospitals, can simply move immediately when requested and thus limit or negate their guilt in killing or harming the innocent.
c0mputar@reddit
But that is exactly what happens in any war zone.
Gaza Strip shouldn't be treated any differently just so that Palestinians can be forced to remain in the middle of a war between their governing military factions, that choose to hide among them, and Israel ,who have every right to destroy Hamas.
I feel like people's exposure to international news and wars begin and end with the Israeli-Palestinian crisis. They care so little about all the other conflicts and so they have minimal reference from which to judge the manner in which the Israeli-Hamas war is fought. War is hell... and so don't invade your neighbour and massacre civilians.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
What's happening to Gazans aren't simply acts of war. They are acts of genocide.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide
c0mputar@reddit
I love how the first sentence is a source from Gaza Heath Ministry. A state run organization controlled by Hamas that has likely never reported a militant death in 18 months.
That is the quality of the information those organizations are taking into consideration when they claim a genocide is taking place, all while never taking into consideration any of the actual intel that supported any particular strike.
On the other hand, Israel does share intelligence with the US and NATO and neither of them have come to conclusion of genocide... on the contrary, they keep trading arms with Israel. So if those international courts are speaking the truth, even based of their biased sources, then most of the western world is directly complicit as well.
But the reality is Israel is conducting a war, and no matter how big the casualty figures look, one needs to consider the following: (1) It does not appear those numbers are out of sync with expected militant:casualty ratios for an urban conflict, especially one where civilians are prohibited from leaving the war zone, and (2) the people with access to Israeli intel have not come out and said that Israeli actions are illegal.
ubion@reddit
Have you considered stopping killing every single journalist and then we wouldn't have to rely on the governments figures of a genocide nation, also Israel relies on Gazan figures
c0mputar@reddit
The only external entities with access to Israeli intel are US and NATO.
It isn't good that journalists are dying all the time, obviously, but I'll wait for the US and NATO to claim that Israel is illegally systemically hunting down journalists. They haven't, but their continued supportive actions and words suggest they hold the opposite opinion.
So for now, I'll provide some weight to the argument that Hamas, who has publicly avowed to cause and use Palestinian civilians as martyrs, as being potentially complicit. As for the Gazan Health authorities, aka Hamas mouthpieces that get parroted by journalists and human rights agencies worldwide, they are not reliable sources. Have they ever reported a militant death? Have those brave Gazan journalists?
The court of public opinion will not be where we find the truth.
manVsPhD@reddit
David Collier did some amazing research about the lie of Israel killing Gaza journalists
ubion@reddit
Hi, could you engage with the report?
manVsPhD@reddit
Yes. The report is dated to Jan 24. Up until that point it has been claimed 107 journalists have been killed by Israel. The list is full of errors. Mr Collier shows that he has connected 100 of the 107 to their social media accounts. Some 27% of the list do not appear to be journalists at all. About 50% of the journalists that have been killed have been tied to Hamas through their social media. More than 60% died at home, i.e. not at the field while doing press work, and some of them can be connected to strikes on senior Hamas members, i.e. they were collateral damage, not the target of the strikes. 79% showed support for terrorism on their social network pages.
ubion@reddit
Dawg I don't mean to scare you but it's July 2025, the genocide has the highest number of journalist who have died in any "conflict". Political affiliations or "collateral" damage doesn't change the claim made.
manVsPhD@reddit
I would also add the quotation marks to “journalists” after reading the report. You can’t take the published data coming from Hamas at face value when the report shows many aren’t journalists, a lot of them are Hamas members and they are not even targeted for killing.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
It is great to provide a source, but how about mentioning specific points from or arguments based on the report rather than simply providing a link to a 150-page report?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_journalists_in_the_Gaza_war
BufferUnderpants@reddit
There’s no reason to shortlist the US, an entity with compromised and co-opted democratic institutions that is committed to Israeli impunity, and NATO, a military organization controlled by them and not a human rights organization under any angle, as the sole arbiters of truth in absence of all the journalists that Israel blocks or kills
This ain’t /r/worldnews
ubion@reddit
Yeah wait until Israel's biggest ally who has their own concentration camps in America speaks on the situation, good one.
You seem to trust the Israel genocidal on the genocide they are doing and not the people being genocided. Absolutely brilliant logic
your_red_triangle@reddit
more shit Hasbara.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
There is clear genocidal intent.
Who else would report numbers regarding Gazan casualties?
Israel and their arms suppliers claiming this to not be a genocide is not at all surprising.
c0mputar@reddit
So you just accept the numbers from Hamas then? That's one way forward... to get right back to where we started.
Bobolequiff@reddit
Hamas is the government of Gaza. The Gaza health ministry is run by the government. Who else is supposed to report casualties?
ubion@reddit
Prosthemadera@reddit
So Hamas will just stay inside Gaza and not move?
Stop being so condescending, makes you look weak.
And there it is. Israel has no choice but to ethnically cleanse Gaza, right? "They" massacred civilians so there home is now a war zone and so they must leave, that's actually the humane solution!
c0mputar@reddit
Only Palestinians are afforded the luxury that they should feel no consequences for the actions of their fellow citizens and elected government when they invaded and massacred their neighbour.
Obviously I disagree that a genocide is taking place, unless you think a genocide has taken place in every war ever fought that involved urban areas?
Sloppykrab@reddit
Every war is a genocide if we use Palestinians supporter logic and understanding.
Hamas: We intend to kill Jews. (Not genocidal behaviour)
Israel: We want to defeat Hamas. (Genocidal behaviour)
One is not like the other.
Ala117@reddit
Username checks out.
Sloppykrab@reddit
Where do you draw the line?
Every society in existence has committed genocide in some form but let's focus on an area that has nothing to do with us and ignore our history.
Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit
Why do you think it is not the choice of many Palestinians to stay?
BTW, can Palestinians who have been ethically cleansed ever since 1948 return and reclaim their land?
c0mputar@reddit
Probably not. Just like Jews will never be able to return anywhere else in the Middle East. The real world is ugly. Ukrainians will never be able to go back to eastern Ukraine, to Mariupol, etc... Natives in Canada will never get their land back...
Only Palestinians are afforded perpetual refugee status.
The reality is that Israel will eventually go for a one state solution, once the demographics and birth rates align that assure continued Jewish majority in Israel. So sometime next century the Arab descendants in the Palestinian Territories will be afforded the opportunity to buy back into those Israeli areas, but not as Palestinians.
It doesn't happen any other way, Jews will not trust Palestinians or non-Israeli Arabs, not after October 7th.
There were some two states solution ideas that were floated about, but after the Gazan experiment failed between 2005-2007, Israeli government probably hasn't seriously considered making that mistake again in the West Bank... and now the Israeli people won't either in lieu of the celebratory Palestinians after October 7th which saw many Palestinian civilians participate alongside Palestinians, who worked in Israel, providing intel.
So to answer your question, next century, maybe, if enough Palestinians don't want to annihilate Jews from the River to the Sea.
protonpack@reddit
You yourself are lumping Israel in with Russia, an aggressive fascist state, and the ethnic cleansing of our First Nations people that still goes unresolved to this day.
Why did we bother with the Geneva Conventions anyway? Why bother with the ICC? Why try to aspire to anything higher as a species than the brutality we've been inflicting on each other since we used clubs and spears? Fuck it, if it's a race to the bottom we better win.
ubion@reddit
This entire framework is from the idea that Israel is a naturally occuring force with no way of stopping. Incredible
c0mputar@reddit
That's not a sentence.
ubion@reddit
You can just say you can't read
Sloppykrab@reddit
You just have no point to make.
ubion@reddit
This argument only makes sense if Israel are magic entity that cannot be stopped and the genocide is inevitable, which is interesting
Sloppykrab@reddit
Can you please explain the manufacturing of consent?
ubion@reddit
It's explained I'm the comment above, but the idea is you talk about it like it cannot be stopped and it's inevitable and it's only on the Gazans now to leave their homeland via the concentration camps and get ethnically cleansed like there isn't any other option eg Israel not doing it
ubion@reddit
"war zone"
rainbowcarpincho@reddit
I don't think it's normal to expect an entire country to evacuate so they can have a proper war?
c0mputar@reddit
That's exactly what happens anytime a city undergoes urban conflict. Every city in modern history that underwent urban warfare for more than a couple months either becomes a ghost town or no one allowed them to leave.
Only in the Gaza Strip are Palestinians somehow expected, by the rest of the world and by Hamas, to remain in the middle of an urban war. There is no modern parallel.
redelastic@reddit
Genuine question: why do you support concentration camps?
c0mputar@reddit
Only with Israel can a country defending itself from a savage attack, with an announced genocidal intent, be accused of a genocide by aiming to prevent one, while providing evacuation zones and corridors and refugee camps in the midst of an insurgency where insurgents routinely operate in these safe zones.
The lengths Israel has gone to minimize civilian casualties in an urban conflict, while the entire world prohibits refugees from leaving, is literally unprecedented in human history.
Israel uses missiles worth tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars for precision strikes to minimize civilian casualties. The same level of precision used by the West throughout the Middle East, but no genocide claims there. The West carpet bombed the Axis, Vietnam, etc... no genocide claims there.
Meanwhile, Israel is the only country in the Middle East where Jews are still allowed, but you'll never hear about how that came to be. The hypocrisy is gross.
Israel makes mistakes, and they do some horrid shit from time to time, like any country has in war. But is it systemic or happening so much that it suggests genocidal intentions? NATO thinks not.
redelastic@reddit
A cavalcade of lies.
But at least you are mask off and we know who you are now.
Literally everything you have written is a lie, I can't be arsed going through debunking each one as I get a bit jaded engaging with people who support crimes against humanity.
icameow14@reddit
You can’t ever be arsed because you can’t debate like a grown up and always go straight to ad hominems and virtue signaling. You really are the perfect specimen of the pro-pali discourse. Keep doing what you’re doing, please. The world needs to see how Hamas turned western liberals into moithpieces for their jihadist, genocidal aspirations. You really are the perfect example.
redelastic@reddit
The only people who want to seriously debate the vailidity of concentration camps are psychopaths.
BufferUnderpants@reddit
You’re on the comments section of an article about the announcement, by Israel’s defense minister, of their fake Madagascar Plan where they plan to place all gazans in a ghetto to then “deport” them
And you still want people to talk about Hamas instead?
c0mputar@reddit
You've made no effort.
All lies? You've convinced no one, not even yourself. Key drinking the Tik Tok Kool-Aid.
redelastic@reddit
100% pure hasbara.
Everything you've said is a lie.
You support concentration camps, ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Bravo, I guess.
c0mputar@reddit
Is hasbara a donut?
redelastic@reddit
Pretending you don't know what hasbara is...is hasbara.
your_red_triangle@reddit
so mush Hasbara and Gish gallop, yet you didn't answer the simple question. try again
sarim25@reddit
Have you seen Gaza?
Israel has been bombing it without any precision or care for human life. They dehumanized Palestinians so much that even Israeli society is ok with such a genocide (as per polling).
Considering we have examples in the past where Israel has bombed synagogues in Egypt and Iraq to push Arab Jews to feel threatened and leave.
Bobolequiff@reddit
Israel has, in under two years, killed more civilians in Gaza alone than died in twenty years of war in Afghanistan.
Straight up lies. There isn't a country on earth that doesn't allow Jewish people.
ubion@reddit
All lies and we're tired of it
c0mputar@reddit
Because I don't support concentration camps? Have you heard of a rhetorical question?
BufferUnderpants@reddit
I don’t support concentration camps but let me explain to you why you should forget about Israel’s plans for ethnic cleaning and think of other things instead of
ubion@reddit
Idk have you heard of answering the one question you are directly being asked
c0mputar@reddit
Are you obtuse?
PaddyMakNestor@reddit
An absolute lie.
https://www.jns.org/why-do-jews-still-live-in-iran/
What about the Baghdad bombings of 1950-51 where Mossad bombed the Jewish areas of Baghdad to convince the Jewish population to come to Israel for safety.
This is absolute BS, Israel has dropped about 6 Hiroshima's of explosives on Gaza, we do not know the civilian death toll but it is likely in the 100s of thousands. The history books will remember Israel's genocide, nothing should be the same after this. Monsters.
Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit
Super easy solution then: Stop this fucking war and accept the hostages deal. End the illegal occupations of Palestine. Release the Palestinian hostages. Etc
c0mputar@reddit
And Hamas attacks again next year.
Around and around we go.
Interesting that the surrender of Hamas was not one of your conditions.
No country in the world would accept those conditions, but you can be certain the war continues as long as there are hostages.
And you can be certain the war will restart, eventually, as long as there is Hamas. They only care about the annihilation of Israel... No matter what Israel concedes, however long you make your list of demands in your post, Hamas will attack again.
Pizzaflyinggirl2@reddit
But Palestine is supposed to accept that its citizens are living in a concentration camp under apartheid and illegal occupation etc?
Have you considered that it was the Israeli illegal occupation and list of other crimes like ystematically kidnapping Palestinians is what motivated hamas attack.
More like as long as there is illegal occupation, apartheid etc
Israel has been annihilating Palestinians for decades.
Funny joke!!
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
Hamas defines all of Israeli society as an illegal occupation; as long as Israel exists, then Hamas will attack it.
Ala117@reddit
israel defines all of Palestinian society as terrorism; as long as Palestinians exists, then israel will attack them.
c0mputar@reddit
Do you not listen to anything Hamas says? It is wild that they don't even bother talking about the West Bank or settlements when they attack Israel. It with be so easy to satisfy some propaganda points for the uninformed Western consumer... but they don't.
It is literally all about annihilating Israel. There hatred for Israel is so blinding that they can't even bother to make easy political points.
I suppose maybe it would be too hypocritical? After all, Israel gave up Gaza Strip, and forcibly removed 10,000s of Israeli non-settlers, back in 2005, only for Hamas to quadruple their ticket attacks in the following year leading to the partial blockade in 2007. So clearly a concession about occupations or settlements is of no concern.
Your argument is a red herring.
ubion@reddit
Zzzzzz
icameow14@reddit
Wow you went to nazi insults pretty damn quickly. This is basically how every single debate with the anti-Israel folks ends. A pro-Israel person absolutely SCHOOLS you using critical thinking and facts and then you just go “nazi!” or “baby killer!” which shows just how shallow your way of thinking is. You are a sad, sad group of people and I hope one day you realize how jihadist terrorists have been manipulating you into fighting their war in the west.
SpirosNG@reddit
Oh hello Ben Shapiro.
ubion@reddit
The extermination of the Jews first started as an ethnic cleansing campaign
Prosthemadera@reddit
What do you mean, they are expected to be there? It's their home, not just a war zone and it's only a war zone because Israel made it into one.
You sound like you support removing them, i.e. ethnic cleansing?
Also, you didn't mention that Israel is also preventing them from leaving.
c0mputar@reddit
Obviously, Israel cannot simply send Palestinian refugees abroad unless a recipient nation accepts them.
Sloppykrab@reddit
You can't use their own words, that makes you a Nazi.
c0mputar@reddit
Dang it, you got me.
dova_kinn@reddit
what fucking war !!! there is only one side which is slaughtering innocent people and that is Israel , am surprised that ppl still call it a war , a war is between two armed sides , here is there is one armed side committing a genocide , Hamas is just a excuse , fighting guys armed with fucking AK's with F35's is hardly a war .
KaiBahamut@reddit
So if they get moved out, they'll have the Right to Return after the war is over, right?
c0mputar@reddit
They border Egypt right?
Prosthemadera@reddit
Is that a yes or no?
c0mputar@reddit
It's a rhetorical question.
If I say yes, you disbelief me.
So I simply turn the table on you and ask that you reflect on how all the Arab neighbours are even more complicit on denying Palestinians any safe passage.
Sloppykrab@reddit
You can't argue with people who live by propaganda and don't question things.
They want a simple solution to a very complex situation.
your_red_triangle@reddit
there's nothing complex about the terrorist state of Israel committing genocide.
Sloppykrab@reddit
Why is it genocide?
And no one recognises Israel government as being terrorists. Hamas on the other hand.
your_red_triangle@reddit
there's plenty of people that see the state of Israel as terrorists, including Israeli themselves.
because the terrorist state is trying to destroy the Palestinians in part or whole.
even the experts on genocide actually say it's genocide. These are people who have spent their whole life studying and knowing the signs of a genocide. Some of whom are Israeli themselves.
"painful to admit it but despite all that, and despite allour efforts to think otherwise, after six months of brutal war we can no longer avoid this conclusion. Jewish history will henceforth be stained with themark of Cain for the"most horrible of crimes," which cannot be erased from its forehead. As such, this is the way it will be viewed in history's judgment for generations to come. Yes, it is genocide - Prof. Amos Goldberg (Holocaust and genocide researcher) at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem
Amos Goldberg - Israeli Professor of Holocaust Studies, Hebrew University of Jerusalem (statement is in Hebrew)
Omer Bartov - Israeli Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies
Raz Segal - Israeli Professor of Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies
Avi Steinberg - Israeli author renounces Israeli citizenship over "Genocidal Campaign" against Palestinians
40 holocaust survivors
10 more holocaust survivors
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
Plenty do recognise Israel as a terrorist and genocidal state.
Are you really this ignorant?
Sloppykrab@reddit
Who does?
rattleandhum@reddit
This argument is a fallacious one, and you know it.
There are also Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt -- none of whom have ever been allowed to return to Palestine once the Israelis pushed them out.
That's why their neighbouring countries don't accept Palestinian refugees, because the Israelis prevent their return.
You don't care one iota for the wellbeing of Palestinians, "Canada".
redelastic@reddit
They didn't after the Nakba, so of course they won't after this ethnic cleansing.
Israel is trying to ethnically cleanse the same population twice.
lethalshawerma@reddit
Only in palestine can people welcome refugees from europe on boats into their homes and treat them as family to later be expelled or killed from those homes by the same people they welcomed.
Only Palestinians are blamed for being killed and expelled in every way imaginable
Only zionists in 2025 have this view narrower than an ant's crack and think people still buy into it.
Please, stop being compoundly ignorant on the internet, it's cringe.
meister2983@reddit
That is a very poor characterization of the reception Jewish immigrants received from Arabs.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
No it isn’t.
But you know that, you’ve been pushing genocidal lies for months.
I recall you distinctly saying that this ‘war’ was always about the hostages and removing people from palestine was never and option, now we are defending that option.
You are a genocidal fanatic. Simple as.
meister2983@reddit
Lol and you are backing the lie that Arabs welcomed Jewish immigration? A core demand was to cease all Jewish immigration
When did I say the war is about the hostages? It is about wiping Hamas, which means the maximalist Palestinian Cause.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
🤫
lethalshawerma@reddit
He wrote what he wrote and immediately blocked me, could have easily linked multiple testimonies of jewish families that were moved in palestinian homes before expelling them, some expressing regret as they grew up.
Still beats the allies refusing to accept jewish refugees before the holocaust.
There is nothing too low foe zionists, im not talking about false information here.talking about them making deals with nazis to get jews out of europe in any way, talking about terrorist acts in Iraq, about the bombing of ss patria and actually killing jews, and it goes on and on.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
Facts always inconvenience them. Also I have argued with this particular account many many many times over the months and he’s always bad faith, never accepts any sources and will always try to steer the conversation elsewhere and feign having won the argument or silently drop out, only to come back in the next thread about an Israeli atrocity.
Just like he’s here degending concentration camps.
Some of these accounts can’t be real people.
Routine_Slice_4194@reddit
Native American welcomed the Europeans who arrived by boat, and were later killed or expelled from that land by the same people they welcomed.
redelastic@reddit
TLDR: you support concentration camps, ethnic cleansing and genocide.
ikan_bakar@reddit
I mean what can you say, the basis of Canada itself is being a colony and putting the natives of their land into concentration camps and having mass graves for the native kids. Funniest thing about Canadians is that they wont even dare to change their head of state to be not the UK royalty 🤣🤣
rattleandhum@reddit
Apartheid South Africa based it's Bantustan policy on the reserve system set up in Canada and the United States.
redelastic@reddit
Fair point. Colonial genociders are usually fine dishing it out but not so keen on being on the receiving end.
c0mputar@reddit
I doubt Canada would fight for more than a day. The Canadian government isn't interested in seeing Canadian cities levelled and civilians killed, so they would surrender. Novel idea I know, someone should tell Hamas.
Prosthemadera@reddit
"We have to do an ethnic cleansing because Hamas won't surrender"
You're a Nazi.
p.s.: A novel concept indeed, just give up when you're invaded! Why didn't the English just give up when their towns were destroyed by the Nazis? I thought Israel has a right to defend itself but now Canada should just give up when their civilians are massacred?
Routine_Slice_4194@reddit
It worked out well enough for France.
c0mputar@reddit
I literally answered your question.
Now you are talking about Nazi Germany. Obviously the context is different, and so would my answer. Nice godwin and red herring argument in one.
redelastic@reddit
Even the Nazis probably didn't think they were evil people. This guy doesn't even realise. The power of indoctrination.
49lives@reddit
You're speaking to a propaganda account, dude...
redelastic@reddit
I know. Best to at least provide a counter point to the hasbara.
Sloppykrab@reddit
Do you know what hasbara means?
redelastic@reddit
It translates from the Hebrew for 'I'm blocking you'.
Prosthemadera@reddit
Maybe Israel shouldn't try to ethnically cleanse other humans and then this problem wouldn't exist.
redelastic@reddit
Israel is openly planning to put the population into a concentration camp. And forcibly expel them from their homeland. Ethnic cleansing.
In the 21st century.
In normal times, this might be a secret backroom plan of the most depraved and sinister kind. Israel now operates with such impunity on the world stage that it openly proposes this plan for concentration camps and ethnic cleansing - and the so-called international community says nothing.
There was reporting of this leaked plan a number of months back. The Western media omitted to report on it. Now let's see if they will even report it.
One of the main factors in defining a genocide is intent. Israel's leaders have made hundreds of genocidal statements which the Western media has largely failed to report on.
Holding a press briefing where you discuss an operational plan for a concentration camp and ethnic cleansing I think one could safely say confirms genocidal intent.
What happens to the Palestinian people who do not want to go into a concentration camp?
If you are not appalled and terrified by what happens next, you have lost all humanity.
usefulidiotsavant@reddit
Nooo, it's not a concentration camp, Netanyahu is giving a city to the Palestinians.
x-winds@reddit
Funny, the population will be concentrated into a tiny area and won't be able to leave.
Furthermore, the Israeli official who told of this plan said it will be a camp, and will name it Humanitarian City. Having said that and the Israeli official who told of it, it is indeed a "Concentration Camp" where the Palestinians will be concentrated into and not be able to leave there. Whatever ya wanna call it, it's illegal under international laws including humanitarian laws, it's inhumane, it's ethnic cleansing and worse, it's genocide.
JrSoftDev@reddit
"a work of propaganda so perverse one is shocked to realize that even the Nazis could have thought of it"
Thanks you for sharing this. Unbounded depravity has a long History, it doesn't choose peoples or races or centuries; but it is what connects people who got almost unbounded power and who think they are above others in any shape or form.
stonkmarxist@reddit
Damn, that's an interesting and apt reference
redelastic@reddit
The likes of you probably wonders why people being put in a concentration camp are so ungrateful for the free accommodation.
maximumutility@reddit
I don’t think you got it
KronusTempus@reddit
They’re so brazen because there’s more or less no consequences. The west supports them and the only countries protesting don’t really have an impact on israel.
The message is clear, if the west supports you, you can do anything you like. Invade Afghanistan? Iraq? Bomb Iran? Ethnically cleanse an entire population? Roll out the red carpet.
redelastic@reddit
Yeah, international law and the so-called rules-based order is now officially dead.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
Remember when the pro Israel people were absolutely denying Israel would ever do this, and it's just about getting Hamas and the hostages back? It's just wild how fucking obvious it was from the start that they were destroying every inch of that city to make it unlivable to prepare for a "humanitarian expulsion" while they denied it up and down.
At what point do these people start realizing how much this country lies?
redelastic@reddit
They are all in on it. It's a collective genocidal mania and mass delusion event. They are fully indoctrinated.
They will deny Israel would commit a certain crime. Israel then commits that crime and they deny that the crime happened. If there is evidence, they will say the evidence is fake. If the evidence is proven to be true, they will say they are "investigating" or it was a one-off incident by a soldier and won't happen again. Rinse and repeat.
Israel could literally kill everyone in Gaza and these fuckers would continue to deny it.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
Considering 48% said they literally support genocide of Gazans... Like literally said "They would be okay with killing every man woman and child" I don't know how the American Jews are unable to see through the window and realize maybe they are being lied to. Like you can't say half the population supports literal genocide, with 95% supporting ethnic cleansing, and then act like some evil shit isn't going on the floor. I don't even think that many Germans were against the Jews.
redelastic@reddit
To be fair, there are many Jewish Americans who support the pro-Palestine movement.
But sadly also a sizeable cohort that supports the Israel-US genocide.
Israel is a scary society.
Tasgall@reddit
And a lot of non-Jews.
A reminder that AIPAC is an American organization consisting mostly of Christians. A lot of Christians "support" Israel because they want all the Jews to leave the US and trigger the apocalypse.
redelastic@reddit
The rapture awaiteth - weirdos.
SuperKiller94@reddit
Well aipac is literally an origination to promote Israeli interests in the United States. They even arrange trips to Israel to “educate” Americans about the values of Israel. They meet politicians and military officials in Israel. But yeah not at all a foreign organization
2ndRandom8675309@reddit
Nailed it. Evangelical christians are a fucking death cult.
BengalsGonnaBungle@reddit
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-28/ty-article-magazine/.premium/yes-to-transfer-82-of-jewish-israelis-back-expelling-gazans/00000197-12a4-df22-a9d7-9ef6af930000
82% of israeli Jews support expelling Palestinians from Gaza and 56% support ethnically cleansing Palestinian citizens of israel from israel.
It's a truly sick society.
cutwordlines@reddit
July 3, 2025 article:
An overwhelming majority of Jewish Israelis agree with the idea of there being “no innocents in Gaza.”
64% of the Israeli public agree with this statement, almost two out of three people.
papstvogel@reddit
No need to remember, just go to the neoliberal sub, they still post about October 7th and how the news don’t talk enough about the Israeli victims.
daytradingvix@reddit
The US government is a part of the ethnic cleansing / genocide.
One thing that I have learned albeit a bit late is that the Zionists are the biggest liars and gas lighters. Never trust what they say.
monkwrenv2@reddit
I mean, the US is planning on doing this to 65 million Hispanic and Latino people. Seems like fascism and genocide is the future.
elperuvian@reddit
Except that tons of American Hispanics are as crazy with guns as white Americans
monkwrenv2@reddit
I wish them the best of luck. They're gonna need it.
elperuvian@reddit
It’s very dangerous to Mexico too. The influx of Americans with so much money will distort more the local market, the expats and Mexican Americans going to Mexico have made real state on Mexico as expensive as American cities sans SF, LA, or NYC
Sitar21@reddit
Western mainstream media has been complicit in this genocide and ethic cleansing campaign. They have constantly and consistently manufactured consent for “Israel” and watered down their war crimes.
elperuvian@reddit
The most interesting question is: why? Some explanations are very dangerous
tommytoop@reddit
Not only are the West doing nothing to stop this madness, they are actively persecuting their own citizens for trying to do something. It’s truly sickening.
Biking_dude@reddit
Anyone notice how Jill Stein, Nina Turner, Cornell West, and others are now super quiet after attacking Biden for years. Israel: "Here's our genocide plan complete with concentration camps!" - crickets.
None of them cared about the conflict, only fought to get Trump elected.
Reddit_Sucks_1401@reddit
Crazy how normalized this is becoming. Setting a dangerous precedent for future and inevitable wars.
biggesthumb@reddit
It's wild how asleep at the wheel the west is
Blackstar1401@reddit
This is what their donors want. They are not asleep.
Protect-Their-Smiles@reddit
Did not even take them 100 years to go from saying, NEVER AGAIN.... to doing the same thing to others. Israeli's, your Jewish ancestors who died and suffered under that same atrocity are cursing you from beyond the grave. What an evil nation of entitled zealots.
MongolPerson@reddit
They meant never again to us. One of the former Chief Rabbis in Israel once said, "there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the Holocaust, except that it happened to us."
elperuvian@reddit
That’s literally hate speech
naslanidis@reddit
The Oct 7th attack will go down as one of the biggest blunders from the Palestinian people. Obviously the refusal to accept tge original 2 state solution is the largest and most lasting one but that wasn't really fault of the 700K.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
Victim blaming.
How quaint.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
The Oct 7th attack wasn't really the fault of the 700K either.
And why should Palestinians need to accept being forced from their homes (ethnically cleansed) by an apartheid state? That does sound unacceptable to me.
ciastkocukier@reddit
This is absurd. Israelis and Palestinians must be right next to each other where they can fight better
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
Apartheid states are unjust, inhumane, and fuel conflict.
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