Xiaomi president showcases first SU7 Ultra registered in Europe as Xiaomi EV aims to explore overseas markets from 2027

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TheAngryFart@reddit

Is this one going to cause fatal accidents with its self driving tech and false advertising too?

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

Why they needing to take 2 years for that ?

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markeydarkey2@reddit

If I were to guess it might be because they're production limited right now with years of pre-orders to fulfill for China first.

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I'd guess that too. The car is selling like hotcakes over in China and if they can't even meet domestic demand, I doubt they would try to rush aun unreliable stock supply launch in a market like Europe lol

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TheAngryFart@reddit

Xiaomi sold like hotcakes for one month then lost major credibility and sales because of a fatal accident caused by their self driving tech. What makes it worse for them is all of these pointed comments towards them is from domestic Chinese news media.

BU7 sales down 55%

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Denniz_K@reddit

Making adjustment to get type approval takes a long time.

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cookingboy@reddit

That's normal, no? You need a lot of time to setup distribution and dealer networks, do market research, build up marketing and finance channels, train sales and service personnel, etc.

Cars aren't cellphones, you need a whole lot of logistics before you sell them in scale.

Also Xiaomi is not in a rush, all of their productions are sold out in the Chinese domestic market for now, so they will take their time to make sure they get it right.

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jdrch@reddit (OP)

That surprised me too. Might be some regulatory hurdles to clear?

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OvONettspend@reddit

Maybe this will make the euro brands start trying with their evs

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TheAngryFart@reddit

SU7 already blundered

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jdrch@reddit (OP)

Which ones haven't been trying? The Big 3 have a broader EV lineup than everyone else.

Porsche's response should be interesting as the SU7 Ultra just took their 'Ring EV record.

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OvONettspend@reddit

None of them have been able to compete with the model 3 or y on price, features, range

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jdrch@reddit (OP)

price, features

As the M3 and MY are no longer luxury cars in the true sense of the word the proper comparison here is to VW, who are indeed pretty far behind. But BMW and Audi are on par or ahead (thanks to AA & ACP support) with cabin tech and ahead on actual luxury features. Also Mercedes is further along with solid state batteries than any other Western automaker.

range

The benchmark here is Lucid.

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OvONettspend@reddit

Those BMWs and Audis cost a minimum 30k more for worse range, not much better interiors (imo), and they’re uglier. What’s not to love! We don’t need more $80k evs. We need more sub 40k evs and outside of Tesla and GM the only companies who seem to give a fuck about that marker are the Chinese. Which was the point of my original comment

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jdrch@reddit (OP)

cost a minimum 30k more

Because they're not in the same class. Are you going to compare Lada to BMW next?

We need more sub 40k evs

Yes, but the only German automaker those might come from is VW, as sub-$40K is not the luxury realm where BMW, Audi, and Benz live.

BTW [the average transaction price for a new car in the US is $48K]9https://www.moneygeek.com/resources/average-price-of-a-new-car/), which is a more realistic target. Also, transaction price doesn't matter as much for car sales as monthly cost, which varies based on available financing/interest rates and incentives. Assuming $0 down, a $50K car on a 0% 60 month financing is more affordable than a $40K car on 6.99% 36 month financing.

the only companies

The Ioniq 6 starts at $38K. The 2026 Nissan Leaf will start at around $35K.

That said, Porsche have achieved price parity on their EVs, at least the very high end: the starting prices of the Taycan and 911 are approximately the same now. I expect that to trickle down over the next few years.

BTW, we recently purchased a new SUV. What kept us away from EVs wasn't the MSRP (for the most part), it was that no EV fit the mission and fit into our garage as well as the ICE SUV we eventually chose. Hopefully we can choose an EV for our next ride.

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Perfect_Cost_8847@reddit

Because they’re not in the same class. Are you going to compare Lada to BMW next?

So why did you compare them then?

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jdrch@reddit (OP)

Because, FTA, the car was registered with a German license plate, and German automakers are all luxury marques except for VW.

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0742118583063@reddit

Well there's Opel, but I don't know how German they are these days

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Simon676@reddit

"Further ahead on solid-state batteries".

My man the only thing Mercedes is doing is waiting for other companies to start successfully producing them in masses large enough to be able to use mass-production.

The boutique low-production car companies will be using them first, there won't be supply enough for any kind-of mass production for multiple years, and Mercedes certainly doesn't have any reason why they'd be any earlier than any other company. They can't simply just "wait" any harder than other car companies.

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jdrch@reddit (OP)

the only thing Mercedes is doing is

actually demoing the tech in an existing car. So has BMW, BTW (I'll have to correct my previous comment). To my knowledge, no other Western automakers have demonstrated solid state batteries actually installed in current gen cars that drive using them.

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nucleartime@reddit

Shoving a battery into a car is the easy part. AFAIK solid state batteries don't have any weird power delivery characteristics that would make integration difficult. The difficult part is producing them at scale at a competitive cost. You can only get a competitive advantage with solid state batteries if you have exclusive rights to the supply through various means.

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jdrch@reddit (OP)

that would make integration particularly difficult

While I don't work on a battery team, I do work for an automotive supplier. It's ... fascinating to read folks trivialize integration as a solved problem. The reality it takes a LOT of work behind the scenes to make it happen.

You can only get a competitive advantage with solid state batteries

You can also be a year or 2 ahead of your competitors to market.

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nucleartime@reddit

I mean it takes engineering work, but it's not an unsolved problem like solid state battery production. Integration is solved. You can reasonably expect pack integration to happen with a solid engineering team within a fairly reliable time frame.

You can also be a year or 2 ahead of your competitors to market.

Which really doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things, especially if something is rushed to market and gets beaten out by a slightly more mature product in a year or two.

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Simon676@reddit

And that means absolutely nothing in reality. Speaking as someone with a bit of knowledge of how the battery industry works, what they have done is paid large amounts of money for early samples from factories to make marketing material, of which 0% will result in any actual help to them getting these to market in the first place.

They're still waiting just the same as everyone else for the first-best factory that has enough supply to sell them batteries for 100 cars. The first solid-state EVs will be expensive low-production models and the first production models won't come until years later.

Solid-state isn't even that big of a deal anyways, there's many more important aspects to good EVs than that anyways, and you can make nearly equally good cars even without that tech.

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jdrch@reddit (OP)

As a fellow engineer my experience has been that integration is always much harder than it seems, but I haven't worked in batteries so hey.

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Simon676@reddit

That can absolutely be true, but building a solid-state battery pack isn't really that different to building any new battery pack. There will be some re-engineering needed for the different voltage profile of SS-cells, plus redoing the battery pack for the different cell sizes (though that isn't any different to building any kind of new battery pack with a different vendor or battery model).

While there is absolutely some engineering needed it's relatively speaking fairly little.

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Perfect_Cost_8847@reddit

I agree. If you care about range, performance, software, and boot space, nothing comes close for the price in Europe. I don’t know why such a comment garners downvotes on Reddit. It’s a fact.

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alwaysrecession@reddit

Why can’t this be sold in the US?

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AmericanExcellence@reddit

because china is the global adversary of the united states, and china's ev initiative (and all of its associated comms output) is primarily intended to destabilize its western adversaries as part of china's effort to become the cultural and economic superpower of the 21st century. the united states is seeking to prevent that outcome.

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