That Euro insecurity, and entire identity is built around the idea of superiority over a country that still retains the greatest economy/military/universities/tech…
I guess, you’re welcome for saving you in WW2 and giving your iPhones, social media and much more
Lmao ok, then you're welcome for saving your ass against the English so you could be a country after killing the original american people, and before that 99% of the things Europe did for you so you could make iphone, Facebook and Twitter, now take it back, that's really not really a thing to be proud of, thank you very much. See how stupid your argument is? Europe and USA are allies. Don't be such a dummy, culture has nothing to do with that.
That's quite the opposite, the USA identity IS the one built around thinking they're the superior land of freedom and police of the world, may I remind you that the USA is only 300 y/o and Europe has at least 4000 years of identity? But noooo, I guess Europe is the one copying the USA lol, Europe was nothing before the USA, they're cave man and shit
Your ignorance and confidence is amazing, your lack of any education is showing. Please stop using reddit, open a book for once and thank Gutenberg for it.
Lol what? You just completely made that up. <20 people die each year from lightning strikes in the US https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-lightning
I'd like to make a joke here, like "Don't go to school tomorrow", which references one of your many mass shootings, but I think you should really be in full attendance...
Jesus Christ dude, actually look at your source. They have the definition and link right at the top of the article.
Your source goes by this definition of school shootings: The SSSC defines “school shootings” as incidents in which “a gun is brandished, is fired, or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims, time of day, or day of week.”
Meanwhile the source they pull their info from goes into "active shooter" data which is when someone is actually shooting up a school, and not some gang shootout in the middle of the night where a bullet hits the school a block away.
"From 2000 through 2022, there were a total of 328 casualties (131 killed and 197 wounded) in active shooter incidents at elementary and secondary schools."
131 deaths ÷ 22 years = ~6 deaths per year (from actual school shootings)
Sorry no you're right America actually sounds super safe and vibrant now you've clarified the technicalities of what school shooting incidents are. Phew, and here I thought it sounded fucking horrific.
It doesn't of course change the number of injuries / fatalities on school grounds, which is in the hundreds per year.
Europe will slowly adopt AC as temperatures rise, it has already started. You're stuck with a rotten society that needs to teach children how to defend themselves against wannabe serial killers in their classrooms.
Australia did it after one singular mass shooting, haven’t had one since. That’s called, ready for it, SOLVING A PROBLEM.
You’re really out here saying “but its only 6 people (AVERAGED) per year who die in school shootings, its not that bad” motherfucker thats 6 more than it should be???
Kind of also forgetting the part where non-school mass shootings also exist and kill people, conveniently, but hey guys dont worry less SPECIFICALLY School “Active Shooters” than lightning strikes deaths a year so its not a problem!
You’re traumatised into being desensitised, and that’s not remotely okay, good, or something to celebrate.
Australia is a bad comparison to use, America is not Australia and it never will be. Not dismissing your other points though. I also think Americans try to downplay their absolutely horrible culture surrounding guns. There are countries around the world with very lax gun laws but a very healthy and safe gun culture (Switzerland for instance) and they don't have the same issues as America. I think it should start with education of the masses and then they might start making sensible steps instead of divisive knee jerk laws which just serve to radicalize both sides of the argument.
Never tried to say Australia was America, just an extreme example of gun control working. I’d also like to point out more rural Australians have firearms than most think, guns are not BANNED in Australia, we just have rules around them because believe it or not giving a death machine to an 18 year old because some old guys a few hundreds of years ago said so is a bad idea, and America is the only fucked up shithole to not realise that.
I said your comparison was bad because the countries are totally different and in different geopolitical and geographical situations.
Anyways, no one needs knee jerk legislation, I don't think Australia is a very good example of sensible gun control. The violent crime rates were already going down in the 90s from it's heights (worldwide phenomenon) in the 80s. Same deal here in Canada, legislation was passed and it was said violent crime was lowered due to that knee jerk legislation even though the trend was already downwards. Then they pulled the same shit in 2020...
There are a lot of way more effective measures than simply banning stuff by looks, liscencing and registration of concealable weapons such as handguns and short barreled rifles being the main ones. Which actually worked here in Canada, that is until the gov't decided to fuck with our shit for votes. Which is the main fear of gun loving Americans and is an issue being milked for votes by both sides of the issue. In the end nothing sensible gets passed and the staus quo remains since both sides are at the extreme on this point. Perfect example being this thread...
"Death machines", hard to take that one seriously LOL
Are you genuinely arguing that gun control, restrictions and registrations are a bad thing? I genuinely don’t know what side you’re on.
Also “death machines” what other fucking purpose does a 300 round per minute full auto firearm have? Bad faith argument, come back when you want to have a proper adult discussion.
Australia's gun bans virtually did fuck all to combat their near-nonexistant gun violence. They never even had a problem with guns before they banned them. Now the whole country has to be disarmed and no longer trusted with guns because of a few niche murders. Your society was already fine before. Your overall murder rate is basically the same.
You say it did nothing, and didn’t change our stats…
How many mass shootings since we banned them? That was the only fucking stat we cared about and its the one thats stayed zero.
Sorry we care more about children and general public safety than the need to carry fucking assault rifles in public places. Do you actually hear yourself??
Nobody in Australia gives a single fuck that there are restrictions- and anyone who does is the type of people the restrictions are there to stop, aka they’re doing their fucking job. Dumb ass genocidal mass shooting worshipping fuckin rednecks, the lot of you
Australia had virtually no mass shootings to begin with, and a steady decline in murders in general with the new laws having negligible effect of at all. They also have a tiny population, and never anywhere near the relationship to guns that the US has.
The US is roughly half the population of all of Europe in a country the same size as your continent. There's more guns than people here. There's also more violent crime in general than in Europe. How do you suppose you get rid of all those guns in a massive country with plenty of gang activity, and drug cartel operations without getting to wave a magic wand? Your "solution" is wishful thinking. And then even if you could wish away the guns we'd be left with the same violent crime problem as now. Just with a few less deaths per year.
At least how it stands now my elderly mother has the option to defend herself from any criminals instead of being an easy victim to whoever feels like hurting her. (The CDC estimated that the presence of a gun stops upwards of 200,000 crimes a year, on the low end.)
“Even if you could wish away the guns we’d be left with the same violent crime problem as now. Just with a few less deaths per year”
Children. A few less dead children each year. Not to mention homicides and gun related injuries (because guess what, modern medicine is really fking effective and not everyone who gets shot dies!) Just say it, just say out clear as day ‘My guns are more important to me than children dying’. Just say it, quit hiding and fucking say it you coward.
I’d also like to point out Australia doesnt have the same gun relationship because we’re not fucking insane - and you used this like a negative?? We don’t WANT guns because look at what happens???
Also your Mother is significantly more likely to have that gun turned on her in a home invasion, congratulations your only half sensible argument has been disproven by actual facts and logic. Oh and I brought sources:
"From 2000 through 2022, there were 328 casualties (131 killed and 197 wounded) in active shooter incidents at elementary and secondary schools and 157 casualties (75 killed and 82 wounded) in active shooter incidents at postsecondary institutions."
206 deaths & 279 injuries every year over 22 years would be an average of 9.4 deaths and 12.7 injuries every year.
Thanks for proving the statistic you were trying to refute to be true.
Your below statistics are only likely to be the case because of a change in the definition of what is considered a school shooting - which would typically include spillover gang violence in dense cities - which still typically result in very minimal killed or injured - but the mere presence of gunfire will count it as a shooting. From a legal and cultural perspective, there is no concievable reason why a phenomena that stays the same / slowly increases would suddenly double in 1 year. I blame the change in administration.
Not to forget generalising Europe as if any of these countries don't differ greatly from each other. Like someone in sweden is probably less likely to die of heat than he would be to being killed by gun violence in the US.
Angloid will choose to live in the mormonincestville in the middle of Nevadan desert and then wonder why we don't have AC when we don't live in a dogshit wasteland
It’s really beautiful honestly. I have a friend who has a house in the Las Vegas Valley and it really has a certain charm. I don’t think the desert is for everyone but man it is so stunning.
Difference between heat deaths and gun deaths is the majority of heat deaths are old people, usually very old. Majority of gun deaths are not old people.
Also, it's not like you can put ACs everywhere. In countries like Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal, old people like to go out. They like to sit down with a glass of wine in some restaurant and read a book or just talk to others. Now when it's like 35-40C outside, there aren't really any bulletproof (this is my subtle nod to American culture) solutions to keep people cool while they sit on some patio. If everyone sat inside their pickup trucks and suburban hellholes, it would be easier to make sure they don't die from heat.
You won't be able to afford the electricity for the AC. And will keep having more hand grenade attacks and terrorist in trucks running over civilians, while your police focus on arresting Europoors over "offensive" social media comment.
The united states has the highest amount of prisoners in the world but here you are shitting on europe for arresting people for being "offensive". At least here you won't get arrested for walking on the street while black.
Fact of the matter is as long as you give media coverage and 15 minutes of fame to losers for their fuckass manifesto there's still going to be school shootings.
Its a pretty obvious solution but gun control agendas and tv ratings prevent not showing these events. If they didn't get any attention the mass shootings would largely cease.
Honestly just compare it with EU. Most countries have a high standard of living (compared to globally). The population is 445 million, closer to 340 million in USA.
It's a dogshit argument for better reasons than just that. I'm certain that 8.5x number was cherry picked straight from OPs ass, but then their argument is that the omnipresent heat orb kills more people than guns which are only seldom used in specific circumstances.
The states in the US have more in common with an actual nation than provinces even down to law and politic systems. If we wanna be real fair, the closest comparison of USA would be EU.
But in this argument even the US+south america doesn't fit either because USA is as big as europe and its climate difference is bigger and more extreme than europe
Lumping Europe together does them a favor in this context because it dilutes the heat deaths with the inclusion of countries where it doesn't get hot. If you only look at the parts of Europe that have a similar average climate to America then the numbers are drastically worse for the Europeans.
And? The question is about standard of living and climate leading to weather-related deaths. The US is just as varied as Europe. It being different countries is meaningless.
The entire premise is heat related deaths. This relates to climates and heat waves, and standard of living. The US is just as varied as the EU, so it being different countries doesn't matter.
Being separate countries is literally meaningless, but you just sperg out and try to say the comparison is invalid because you're a certified moron.
Or you live in Europe, and your brain is overheating from a 70F heatwave again.
Pretty embarrassing. Maybe you should consider using related factors to deconstruct a comparison, instead of embarrassing yourself by bringing meaningless characteristics into it.
When you and your friends argue about football, you start yelling about which jersey color is better, don't you?
So Europe as a whole has a similar land mass to America. It has varying climates like America. They're all economically tied to each other with many sharing currency and military power. You can freely move between each country nearly just as easily as you can between American states. All of those countries are Christian so there's a cultural link. Europe is basically a fucked up confederation that totally warrants being compared as a whole rather than 44 separate entities. It doesn't really matter that they all speak different languages. They all don't use AC.
It's true, Almost no one has AC here in Europe, it's ridiculous because it's so cheap... But ze Germans and le baguettes, for some strange reason, prefer to get sodomized by the weather.
In France, a relatively small percentage of households have air conditioning. A 2020 study indicated that around 25% of French homes had air conditioning.
In Germany, a very small percentage of residential homes have air conditioning. An industry estimate suggests that only about 3% of homes in Germany are equipped with air conditioning units.
Those are pathetic numbers... Imagine being some of the richest countries in the world, but voluntarily chosing to live in climatization hell.
I really don't think people don't have ACs because they can't afford them. They just never needed them. Germans, on average, I'm SURE, can afford an air conditioner.
Because it's not really needed ? Like where I live is hot, but a ceiling fan is enough for me, so I don't need to spend lots of money on both the AC or the power bill. Though we have small AC units that we can move from room to room, there's no need for those most of the time.
Mutts can't comprehend cooling your house with a fan and it being a comfortable 23C, they need to definitely cool their house until they can wear a hoodie and sweatpants inside their house even if it's 45C outside
I can only comment on germany. Where I live it only gets uncomfortably hot for a couple days in a row and maybe 1-2 weeks a year in total.
Our houses a pretty well insulated so generally it doesn't heat up too much inside during the day.
Supermarkets, malls etc. all have A/C and most hospitals and retirement homes do too (maybe not in the whole building, but in sensible areas).
For residential homes it just doesn't make sense to install a proper A/C system with air ducts. Some people are buying split units though and also those cheap A/C systems with an exhaust hose for the window are getting more popular.
If you don't have solar, a proper A/C for a residential house is very expensive to run, since our electricity prices are much higher compared to the US.
I think it'll be much more sensible to run campaigns on proper hydration for old people and maybe also tell them to visit their nearest leisure centre or similar institutions with A/C if it gets too bad. Probably about 90% of heat related deaths could be avoided this way.
What are you defining as uncomfortable? Most Americans set their house between 68-75°F/20-24°C, with basically everywhere getting 90°-Up summers nowadays.
Even in these hotter summers, our flat only goes over 25C a couple of days a year. Close the blinds during the day, put up a fan, windows open at night. The heat usually peaks and goes down, again and again. Continous heat for maybe one or two weeks straight, then it gets uncomfortable, but that happens once a year, i‘m not getting an AC for that
It's only really been in very recent times we go above 30° in Scandinavia, and even then it only very rarely for maybe a week or two tops every year, and often only for a day or two at a time.
Most of the time, temperatures during summer hits 25-28°C highs and stabilise around 15-25°C.
Its one of the reasons most people here don't really have A/C.
Most of the time, temperatures during summer hits 25-28°C
People keep their ACs on during those temps. Basically people generally set their AC to whatever they want it at, and it regularly the interior year round. (Only change being that you usually have to change it between Heat and Cool in Winter and Summer.)
Definitely understandable in 30+ weather. But 25-28 for us is just air out in the morning/evening and then close all windows during and the house will still be ok :)
Sometimes if its windy we just keep the windows open and its still fine midday.
I don't have an AC at home in Belgium. We get temps above 40°C aka +/- 100°F like once every five years.
My house is super isolated and my windows are equipped with sun screens to block out the sun on hot days. So last week when we had a rare week of 35°C aka 95°F i just closed my screens and enjoyed a cool 24°C aka 73°F inside my home without the need of an AC.
Can i get one? Sure.
Do i need one? Not unless they put the actual heat on more than once per five year lol.
It's mostly guesswork, but there might be some issues behind the lack of AC in these countries, like harsh rules or suppressive regulation on AC placement.
But then again, in my corner of Europe AC is mostly unregulated and we have these monstrosities, so pick your poison:
Someone told me they can't legally modify their own house to put an AC in it if they wanted to because it was built before 1900, and they're happy about this?
Yes, that's the thing I never mentioned: AC units here are often used for main/auxillary heating in winter as well, as central heating is worn out and sometimes underdelivers. Thank you for pointing that out!
What makes you assume it’s "voluntary". It’s not like we want to suffer. Most residential buildings in France are just to old to allow for an easy installation of AC
With a european wage, and the alternative of not having one being - as put by another dude in this thread - sodomized to death by heat, I fail to see how that's not within reason.
The heat isn't that bad if you know how to deal with it. You can keep your house pretty cool by just keeping the windows and blinds closed while the sun is out and running a fan. Why spend a thousand euro when you can just do that?
I suppose if it's not bad enough that this way of remedy works then I guess there's that, huh? As someone currently living in sub 40C humid as hell heat I couldn't bear going any longer without AC.
Oh yeah 40c is a whole different ballgame. Though last week it was 36c for a day or two and i still didn't really need an ac. If it had been really humid it would've been a different thing entirely. Humidity is what would kill me, not the heat.
Not being able to afford it, landlords not allowing you to instal it..
Dont talk about what you dont know. We dont enjoy being "sodomized by heat" as much as you like to think
AC was never really needed before but due to climate change the summers are getting hotter and hotter every year. In a few years AC units will be a lot more common in Europe.
WHO and the https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/08/1152766 say 175,000 Europeans died due to heat in 2024, of population 744,000,000. This accounts for 0.0235% of the population. Or 2.35 out of 10,000 people.
It depends what they mean by 'killed by someone with a gun'. I think most people assume that to be murder, since, despite statistically likely, people aren't concerned about killing themselves when they fear gun violence in the US.
In 2023, there was then rather 18,000 gun deaths in the US, so 0.0053%, or 0.53 in 10,000.
Thus, about 4.5 times more likely to die due to heat in Europe then killed by gun violence in the US.
Also for people brining up that ohh “racial injustice”… it’s actually the white people who are the fairest in trials with black people being significantly more “forgiving” for their own.
It can be more than one thing. Poverty, culture, outside influences, drugs. But I think it irritates people that you're not allowed to say that culture could be a contributing factor, because that'd make you a racist apparently.
Have you read the link you've sent? Can't tell you why, but I did lol. Black people commit more homicide according to all the data here, but poorer black people still commit substantially more homicide that more affluent black people.
Aka system poverty can't account for why black people have higher rates of homicide, but like it does for literally every other racial category, household income is still substantially correlated with homicide rate within the category of black people. So it's not like your article disproves a long-observed relationship between income and homicide/crime rates; it only reasserts that black people commit more crime. (And so, poorer black people commit more crime that more affluent ones, as always, because why commit crime when you're wealthy, at which point you can hire better lawyers anyway)
Also, don't you think it's a little suspect that your article says homicide rates correlate with single motherhood, but not household income? Those things are typically pretty related, and makes me doubt some of the analysis being performed
It's quite a large study (without any peer review btw) and I can't be bothered to get into reading much of the graphs so maybe I'm missing some important details to explain it away but I did find it rather odd that whenever someone in the comments on that site brought up the overall social stigma that surrounds black people in American society, the author often outright disagrees with its significance largely brushes it off as unimportant to his overall study but I really don't understand how that's the case? I clearly understand that measuring stigma isn't really possible but that doesn't mean it doesn't play a role and I feel that it explains a lot. Hundreds of years of slavery largely practiced on one ethnic group followed by intense segregation is going to predispose many people to certain outlooks on other groups of people. Stereotypes will be perpetuated, cycles will be repeated, etc.. Sure, it's clear that modern day economic factors don't explain the significant disparity in black crime rates (if we ignore the last point you mentioned) but modern day economic factors haven't really existed for American black folk for very long and they don't eliminate everything that has come before that may lead to modern black communities and culture having increased crime/homicide rates.
Look! The historically and actively stigmatized and disenfranchised group of people are just now able to be successful and have the means to live a well off life which means that it simply makes no sense that they would have higher violent crime rates than groups of people who descend from substantially less persecuted backgrounds!
Lmao in that article, I found like maybe two citations (embedded links rlly NO actual citation section at all), only one of which had a link that WORKED? I wouldn't exactly call this article data driven or evidence of ANYTHING. I'm not stating anything further, but like check your references to make sure there's peer reviewed work.
Same way it depends what they mean by "died due to heat". Every old person who dies of natural causes during a heatwave gets counted to this. And yes, it's literally only 90+ year olds
Well, we should cut those programs since we will spend ourselves into bankruptcy and then everyone will suffer. Plus its not the government's responsibility to take care of anyone. If you're dumb enough to put your faith in the government to take care of you in your old age, you're dumb enough to gamble your retirement on criminals and politicians (i know, I said politician twice).
These programs are and should be safety nets, not normal for everyone. If I could opt out of receiving SS, I would. We shouldn't be robbing Peter to pay Paul.
does it separate people who died in non air-conditioned rooms from people who died while out in the sun though? or are we counting deaths from hiking in the wilderness and working in construction and mining etc as "lol no ac"
Thing is i can look after my temperature pretty well, whereas the only thing i can do about getting shot is to shoot first which isn't particularly likely.
It's not like the sun's fuckin trying to kill everyone, it's avoidable.
I mean sure, but It's partly cuz being a US fatass riding around in a scooter you likely drop dead long before the heat gets you. EU have waaay more people making it to 90 yo and heat really becomes a problem for that age group.
Check by age brackets and see what that looks like
Without paying for more detailed sources, seems around 2-3,000 people, or 0.09 out of 10,000, so over 25 times more likely to be killed by the sun in Europe.
And the United States has higher average temperatures than Europe, particularly, also, more extreme temperatures.
Is not only the air conditioning. They build houses to retain heat cause they are use to colder temperatures. If you have random intervals of like 10 years of hotter temperatures all your buildings will get hit greatly.
Many days in a row of heat will make a greenhouse out of your house. I mean a single hot day wont kill you but many in a row is awfull in a house like that.
I wonder if there is a device you could keep in your home that could somehow regulate the temperature, maybe even condition it, to ensure the internal temperature of the house doesn't get to deadly levels.
Yeah. They would actually be cheap to run on insulated houses. Is just what i think causes the increase in deaths, the combination of highly insulated houses with no air conditioning.
As I already attempted to explain, the 'highly-insulated' homes are actually reducing the deaths. As far as I've ever experienced here, the issue with the heat isn't that your apartment gets hotter than outside, the problem is your apartment is as hot as outside, without reprieve.
Plus, there is very little refuge. In places with AC, you walk from AC house, to AC car, to AC store, to AC car, to AC office, etc... But, at least here, it's not just that individuals don't have AC, almost nobody does, businesses included.
You walk from the hot apartment onto the hot street into the hot store to the hot office.
"Here", where? In Southern Italy, not in Montecarlo, almost everyone does have AC, people and business alike.
If we have to dot the is, it's mostly a northern European thing, not a panEuropean thing.
If my euroHOA-equivalent would let me, I'd put ac at my home here in Belgium too. My office is unbearable in summer and I almost never go there during these days.
We do sort of live in greenhouses, they just aren't made entirely of windows. In the summer, if the temperature at night is not dropping down from the high temp during the day, your house is maintaining a temperature that will continue to get hotter each day without airflow and air exchange. Your attic is going to be over 100 degrees F, guaranteed, and that will act as a catalyst to continuously heat your house.
The hottest part of the day is normally mid-late afternoon, before the sun starts to go down (depending on hemisphere location) and the coldest part of the day is early morning right before the sun comes up. If it's 100 F at 4pm and 80 F at 5am your house will be over 80 degrees F with zero air circulation or exchange.
Many places in the US are just as cold, if not colder than comparably populated places in Europe. North America has substantially more variation in climate and much more extreme weather events than Europe.
The summer average high where I live is 10⁰ hotter than the average highs London and Stockholm and 6⁰ hotter than Paris. The winters here average 22⁰ colder than the average lows London and Paris and 11⁰ colder than Stockholm.
Go out west to the high deserts and the temperature can vary more in a day than a European nation sees in a year. I live someplace "mild" in comparison.
I also live in a neighborhood with timber frame homes built in the 1690s and 1700s. Every single excuse they come up with is a cope. They'll never own homes so I have no idea why they care so much, anyway.
Much of the US gets colder than the majority of Europe on average. The area I live in is colder in the winter and hotter in the summer than most of Europe.
would it be worthwhile to consider that potentially many heat-related deaths in the U.S. are not counted as such if the victim is homeless? something like: difference in homeless population per 1000 x higher rate of heat related deaths for homeless, to get estimated unconfirmed homeless deaths related to heat
Yeah, no. Heat kills in the sense that it can worsen pre-existing health conditions, it's not like europeans are dropping dead in the streets of heat exhaustion (at least, not 175000 annually).
It's not comparable to gun deaths because people are directly killed by guns, without need for preexisting and predisposing conditions.
Now give us the the numbers of people in America dying from heat? Because here we are again... Muricans to stupid to "actually" compare statistics. And then after that, add the number for gun violence.. You people keep making a fool out of yourself.. Its sad..
If we also add Nonfatal gunshot injuries (36,357 source) to the mix as most people miss those, you don't die you just get injured (might include wheelchair basketball tournaments).
Total goes up to 83,000 so 2.5 incidents per 10,000 people.
A newsworthy title - Roughly 1 in 4,000 people in the U.S. experienced a gun-related incident in 2023
ngl i think it makes sense that more europeans are dying because of heat than americans since europeans go outside and walk more often, americans usually drive their cars instead of walking since their cities are designed like that and of course most heat related deaths happen outside where you can't put a giant ac to cool everyone down
another thing is that people in the eu are older and more prone to dying from heat, average age in the usa is around 39 while it's 44.7 in europe, and people in the southern eu, the hottest area, are the oldest, with the average age per country going from ~45 to ~48
In reality, its just difference in counting. US hardly coints anything unless you basically cook yourself. Most eu deaths will be counted as heat killed, if cause of death is at all related.
yeah that too, either way i don't think the lower amount of acs is killing europeans, mostly because if it was more people would have acs, it's just that our towns and villages are made to naturally counter the heat
The offical number from the Texas department of Health was 246 deaths related to the 2021 freeze.
The population of Texas is estimated to be around ~31,000,000 people, so about 0.00079% of the Texas population and about 0.00007% of the total American population.
Comparing guns to climate is comparing apples to oranges anyways. If we were to actually look at other factors that relate to health, I'm sure the statistics would look very different.
Also, just having the problem of gun violence is sad by itself
But don't you have to add heat deaths in the USA to the gun violence total? There are plenty of people in the USA that don't have A/C and also have to deal with gun violence.
we have ACs in europe but summers dont get that hot so we don't need to cool down our homes and in winter we use firewood to heat houses because its much cheaper than heating it with AC
Why are Muricans obsessed with our lack of AC ? It's getting hot like 3 weeks a year, usually between 35 and 40°C, there is AC at my job and I have a ventilator in my house I use it one month a year. It's like saying "wah wah you don't have snow tires, you're poor", yeah ok, there is no snow here either, why would I need it.
Some European countries are struggling in the south, maybe, but here in France it's ok if you're not a pussy
The American mind can't comprehend cooling your house to 23C. They're not comfortable until it's set at 16C and they can wear a hoodie and sweatpants inside, probably because they're all obese and sweating like pigs all the time
How, and why, was gun deaths related to heat death
Like, yeah, the US gets hot, so people have ACs. Europe typically doesn't get hot, so why would they have ACs? I'm sure many more will get them... I doubt it's because they lack the money lol
Its comparing the likelihood of getting fatally shot, which people seem to think is a common occurrence in America, vs fatally overheating in europe which most people wouldn't think of as an issue (or at least as big of an issue.)
Its pointing out the odds, and sort of poking fun at the anti gun and/or European crowd
You're missing the point. You absolutely can drive your guns across state lines, but then you'd potentially be breaking the law and could be smuggling illegal weapons across state lines which is a big deal im pretty sure. At best it'd be possession of a banned item. Idk im not a lawyer. Criminals do that sort of thing all the time but now the average American is at a huge disadvantage because they arent allowed to defend themselves now. They have to rely on the cops to get there and save them. Cops usually take about 10-30 minutes to arrive depending on where you live. It takes about 2 seconds to get shot in the face.
At the end of the day its a choice between freedom and safety. Id rather freedom with a miniscule increase to danger vs the other way around. Besides, the second amendment is a part of our checks and balances, it'd just be a bad idea to get rid of the peoples ability to stop a tyrannical government.
Some people with guns and household chemical bombs beat the united states military in Afghanistan. Idk why they couldn't overthrow a tyrant here. It'd just have to be a popular and organized movement.
Im glad my right to bear arms doesn't depend on your personal experience.
I hear ya. I, as a Canadian, just don't like the idea that anyone I might accidentally piss off could whip a gun out. It's just a lot of power in the hands of literally anyone, which is a scary thought, since I don't trust people to act rationally
Eh the technology has grown a lot and became a lot cheaper. A single ac for a room is like 400 euros if I remember correctly (the one u put in an a window). If you can afford that in France, get a job.
If you find the source which has accurately tracked the number of European death certificates which list 'not having AC' on them, then I will happily make a correction.
Until then, the article lists 4 guidelines on how to avoid heat stroke, and none of them are 'turn on your AC. People don't have AC here. Several days of persistent heat and people die, particularly old people.
People here also aren't confined in their homes 24/7, deaths from heatstroke don't happen just like that, people go outside, enjoy the nature, work in the field. A good part of europe is rural.
Besides, Europe does have ACs in office buildings, hospitals, production halls, etc. Houses don't generally need an AC due to the way they're built. It's more common for an european to install an AC for heat rather than cooling off as it's becoming a viable alternative to central heating systems. You can literally shut the blinds and the room temperature will not go over 28 degrees.
Homeless people also get death certificates. I'm sure some percentage were already accounted for.
Plus, you'd need about 70.000 unaccounted for dead homeless people to be dying due to the heat every year to make things proportional. I'd like to see that statistic.
We arent used to this kind of heat. We are used to hot days but not to very hot days for prolonged times. We are used to thick walls which usually insulate quite well against heat and cold. This made ACs not really necessary as the houses could cool down in the nights or on colder days.
Nobody buys an AC if you only use it 5-15 days a year. And that has been the number of days where we really suffered since i can remember. But in the recent years the heat has changed.
Longer heat periods warm those houses up and have greater effect on the humans. Especially the elders who dont hydrate well enough. You can go some days with not enough water without issues but when your health is already not great and you are dehydrated for multiple days, it really hurts the body.
Hospitals, Care homes, most public buildings have been built without ACs because it simply wasnt really needed back then. Add to that all the homeless people and all the old people at home.
I believe the numbers, but not all of the deaths being related to AC, that is, 175k dead inside their homes. Even sunbathed apartment blocks have relatively thick and insulated walls, so that it'd be difficult to cook alive in your home (even if it's uncomfortable).
What's true, is that these past few years have had insane heat spikes in Europe, but I don't think America has been hit as hard (I spent a summer in Indiana and it was a breeze outside comparatively). So Europe has lots of deaths, between having a disproportionately older population and being disproportionately hotter. I've seen a dutch guy post a screenshot of 35 degrees heat.
I've seen a dutch guy post a screenshot of 35 degrees heat.
35°C is 95°F. Many parts of the United States are particularly hotter than that, to the point where in many places it would not be considered 'screenshot-worthy'. The US and Europe, as a whole, have similar average yearly temperatures, but the US has more extreme weather.
Also, as I posted in another comment, only around 2-3000 Americans died due to the heat in 2023, and that was a record year.
It's difficult to account for it being 25 times more likely to die from heat stroke in Europe than in the US without heavily attributing that to the lack of air conditioning.
Swamp Germans don't live in arizona mate. It's north Europe, which is notably colder than southern Europe. That's an anomalous temperature, even if it's completely unremarkable for mexico. I'm sure you remember the screams of agony of Texans when it was chillier than usual (but "just regular winter temperature" for the dutch)
Yeah cus till American companies started turbocharging climate change it would not go above 25 degrees in many northern European countries, Last week the Netherlands hit 38...
Open window from 22h00 to 8h00, rest of the day close europeans shutters (not americans one that don't block anything). Now it's 25°C (77°F) in the house. Great temperature to be in the house and chill in shorts
Imagine thinking heat deaths are solved by buying an AC and not by, idk, wearing a hat and maintaining a proper drinking regime. Looks like all the salt from Anon's KFC and McDonalds orders got to his brain and completely drained it of any intelligence.
Why the fuck would I invest in an AC for barely 10 days a year of actual heat, that I still find easily manageable since my house is made of stone and not made of cardboard
An A/C doesn't fix climate change and heat waves. Historically, they weren't necessary in the vast majority of europe, and still aren't in the 3 other seasons that aren't summer. Also there are other reasons for the slow adoption of A/C's. For one, houses are wsy better isolated from outside factors like temperature, so the rooms heat up less, basically every house has jalousie infornt the windows that you can roll down, which stop the sun from baking you, and everyone without and A/C has a Ventilator that he can pull out when needed.
Americans like think we live without A/C to prove a point which is not true at all, it just wasn't necessary for thousands of years, and only climate change gave them a proper use in the summer. And even then, most people have different ways to deal with the heat in the house.
Also the vast majority of heat induced deaths are not inside a building, but outside. Construction workers suffer heavily for example. In those cases, an A/C at home wouldn't have prevented anything.
Also, to put into perspective how much hotter climate change made summers, here in the balkans, around 10 years ago, typical summer temperatures hovered around 30 degrees, with the hotter places being around 32-33 degrees. Nowadays we experience 50 degrees a few times a year, with 40 degrees becoming the new standard. And the biggest problem with the heat is honestly not the heat itself, but the air. You feel like you suffocate.
I live in Berlin, we had over 30°C (hot) and it was very nice room temperature inside. Well isulated appartment building + not opening windows + curtains = nice room temperature.
And they are all really old people having heat strokes because their generation don't drink enough water and aren't used to these new heat waves. There's no emergency about people dying of heat, just fragile old people
Ah yes the classic "Europe is just France, Netherlands, Germany and the UK" mindset. Go anywhere south of the Alps in Europe and you'll find pretty much everyone has an AC because that's where it actually gets really hot.
It's not a money thing; even countries considered poorer like Morocco generally have AC even in cheap hostels.
It's due to planet-heating and population-aging ; heat-related death have increased by as much as 40% in many regions compared to 10-20 years ago. Since Europeans are used to not heating up everything other than their house using AC because it wasn't really needed, the recent decades of increasingly extreme heat waves are causing death among... That's right; the old fucks who contributed to prepping the planet for such heat waves. Since this is a largely unnoticed statistic in daily life, most people don't yet see the urgency of getting AC.
Though expecting Americans to think deeper about statistics is like expecting them to protect school children from gun violence; they simply can't.
We don't need AC because our houses are built with heat isolation in mind and can ventilate at night. It's a constant 20°C in my home all the way through summer.
Americans are just brainwashed to believe that their cardboard suburb caves are the only type of house there is.
They're telling us "You don't have coal reserves along railroad tracks?? How backwards!" while we switched to Diesel locomotives long ago.
Combining the stats of all of Europe (and using the EU population to make the start worse) makes the stats insane.
A large percentage of those dying from heat related reasons is the aged who were going any day and it's considered that the heat gets them. This is not true of gun death.
The younger people who die of heat death are disproportionately from poorer European countries.
Even if you ignore all of the above. You're comparing people who die from "not affording" AC to those dying because someone spends extra money on something so they could shoot something or someone. Are you proud of this?
I live in Spain which is probably the hottest country in Europe and yeah, not even half of the households have AC. It’s just nuts to me with summers with temperatures soaring well past 35C
I have nothing to say in our defense, this one is actually just stupid. Air conditioning is exceedingly rarebin both Germany and France, idk about other countries in Europe
Majority of europeans can afford AC they just feel they don't need it for the few weeks per year when temperature goes up to uncomfortable levels. Still has a higher life expectancy than the US.
Why are Europeans such fucking wimps about 80ish degrees farenheit weather? Yeah, they don't have A/C but neither do a lot of countries that the weather is hotter. For example India. Millions of people sweat their balls off their entire lives without going online and crying about it every year.
Don't know if anyone mentioned this, but I'm stuck in hospital and I'm not going through all the comments. I have family in England, they'd buy air conditioning but they never needed it before apparently and I lived there 2 years and don't remember being that hot. They also said there is no where to buy air con. Which seems like bullshit to me, I figure they could import from Spain. In short I'm pretty suspicious that they can get air conditioners.
Aparently Europe its just Germany, France and UK...
Here in the south, where it has always been hotter, most people do have air conditioning. It is impossible to walk through any city and not see most facades covered with air conditioning units.
Of course on the north you are not going to see as many because its only recently that they started getting unbearably hot too (which is also your fault, ameritards)
I mean, I don't know how true it is, but I just visited Belgium (Bruges, Brussels, and Ghent), France (Paris), and the Netherlands (Kerkrade) for a choral festival. Belgium and France felt fine in terms of heat (felt really good actually) but HOLY SHIT Kerkrade was hot as BALLS. Dude I could've sworn I was about to suffer three heat strokes. Unreal.
What’s a lack of AC death though? Like I’d count heat stroke deaths, but are they counting people with cancer who have their symptoms exacerbated by the heat? And like what’s America’s number of “overheating” deaths compared to Europe by the same metric? I do believe more people overheat than are shot, but this headline could mean a million different things
okay but lets have a look at the details that are left out
in america your children are at risk of gun death while at school, you are at risk of gun death walking or driving down the street if there is also a cop and a black man on the same street.
in europe your 80 year old grandma is at risk of heat death while at home
Well for all the schooling, driving, and walking that is done in America (more driving than walking)... the numbers still show less gun deaths than Euro-grannies dying from heat related causes.
The point is that it's only a greater risk of heat death when you're really old. Lots of these people would probably die relatively soon anyway. If you'd quantify this as "years of life taken by guns in US vs years of life taken by heat in EU", it'd be a different story.
Europeans cheat on life expectancy. They don't include babies with early life conditions, and kill them in the womb much more often, rather than try to save them all and treat them as human in statistics.
US life expectancy is extremely close to Europe if you ignore Infant death statistics. (Because, again, Europeans cheat.)
Abortion rates: 14.4 per 1000 women per year in the US, 10 per 1000 per year in Hungary, 7 per million per year, 7 per 1000 in Spain and Netherlands, 6.5 per 1000 per year in Czechia and Finland, 5.4 per 1000 per year in Germany, 5.1 per 1000 per year in Switzerland, 4.9 per 1000 per year in Italy, 1.3 per 1000 per year in Austria. Only european countries higher than the US are France and UK.
No. I don't care about Reddit enough to hunt down sources, to be blunt.
Iirc, if you are interesting, reporting standards are different. They terminate more often for defects, and of those born, early deaths from defects often aren't counted.
Now, the US is STILL worse for infant mortality, even with that accounted for, but it brings life expectancy much more in line.
Obviously, take that with a grain of salt and ignore me completely if you feel like it, but it's infant mortality reporting that's different, if anyone is curious about looking into it.
I wonder what the percentages are. how many kids die in cars, how many old people die because they refuse to stay inside their houses during heatwaves, how many homeless people don't have a shelter
I literally just got back from spending a few weeks in France, can confirm that not a single fucking place I went beyond stores had AC. The houses are definitely built differently and didn't need it as much but staying on the top floor I had a few pretty miserable nights. Had an overnight layover in Frankfurt on the way back and was like 'well at least I'll get some good AC that night'. Lol, nope, not even the hotels have AC. Still worth it though, would take a window unit and a bit of culture any over like 90% of America any day.
Heatwaves are way less obnoxious if you're sitting in a building with solid walls that normalize the temperatures between night and day. Concrete, thick brick walls, stone, you know, the kind of stuff European houses are made of
CCCyanide@reddit
"You have a problem, therefore I get to laugh at it instead of trying to fix mine"
Peak US mentality
Econmajorhere@reddit
If US didn’t exists, Europeans would have no identity
SoupaMayo@reddit
Quite the opposite, murica is just a bad copypasta of European cultures, what a low effort bait you got there
BionicHawki@reddit
Bad yet somehow superior in almost all ways.
SoupaMayo@reddit
Lmao ok burger man
DonnieG3@reddit
Crazy how that works
SoupaMayo@reddit
I'm sorry but you can't tell me that Burger King and McDonalds, which are the front face of America, make good burgers
Econmajorhere@reddit
Yet somehow they exist all across Europe 💁♂️
SoupaMayo@reddit
There is shit in every sewer too, what's your point
Econmajorhere@reddit
That Euro insecurity, and entire identity is built around the idea of superiority over a country that still retains the greatest economy/military/universities/tech…
I guess, you’re welcome for saving you in WW2 and giving your iPhones, social media and much more
SoupaMayo@reddit
Lmao ok, then you're welcome for saving your ass against the English so you could be a country after killing the original american people, and before that 99% of the things Europe did for you so you could make iphone, Facebook and Twitter, now take it back, that's really not really a thing to be proud of, thank you very much. See how stupid your argument is? Europe and USA are allies. Don't be such a dummy, culture has nothing to do with that.
That's quite the opposite, the USA identity IS the one built around thinking they're the superior land of freedom and police of the world, may I remind you that the USA is only 300 y/o and Europe has at least 4000 years of identity? But noooo, I guess Europe is the one copying the USA lol, Europe was nothing before the USA, they're cave man and shit
Your ignorance and confidence is amazing, your lack of any education is showing. Please stop using reddit, open a book for once and thank Gutenberg for it.
Sad-Mango-2662@reddit
r/shitamericanssay
CCCyanide@reddit
you did NOT go to school did you
kippy3267@reddit
I mean… they would. But it would be distinctly more german or russian oriented
Hedonistbro@reddit
Comparing old people dying from heat stroke to needing metal detectors, armed police and shooter training at primary schools.
Americans.
MrBingly@reddit
More people die to lightning strikes than school shootings in the US.
Hedonistbro@reddit
Lol what? You just completely made that up. <20 people die each year from lightning strikes in the US https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-lightning
I'd like to make a joke here, like "Don't go to school tomorrow", which references one of your many mass shootings, but I think you should really be in full attendance...
MrBingly@reddit
Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence (source is Washington Post, but it's behind a paywall. The stat covers 1999-2023):
"Since the Columbine shooting in 1999, there have been over 390 school shootings, killing at least 203..."
203 deaths ÷ 24 years = ~8 deaths per year.
Hedonistbro@reddit
In 2023 alone there were 348 school shootings resulting in 259 injuries / fatalities...
https://usafacts.org/articles/the-latest-government-data-on-school-shootings/
MrBingly@reddit
Jesus Christ dude, actually look at your source. They have the definition and link right at the top of the article.
Your source goes by this definition of school shootings: The SSSC defines “school shootings” as incidents in which “a gun is brandished, is fired, or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims, time of day, or day of week.”
Meanwhile the source they pull their info from goes into "active shooter" data which is when someone is actually shooting up a school, and not some gang shootout in the middle of the night where a bullet hits the school a block away.
"From 2000 through 2022, there were a total of 328 casualties (131 killed and 197 wounded) in active shooter incidents at elementary and secondary schools."
131 deaths ÷ 22 years = ~6 deaths per year (from actual school shootings)
Hedonistbro@reddit
Sorry no you're right America actually sounds super safe and vibrant now you've clarified the technicalities of what school shooting incidents are. Phew, and here I thought it sounded fucking horrific.
It doesn't of course change the number of injuries / fatalities on school grounds, which is in the hundreds per year.
MrBingly@reddit
Sorry that our problems with violence in inner cities doesn't fit your wet dream of schools getting shot up everywhere.
Maybe if you were to look into the actual problem and not just clutch your pearls at twisted statistics you'd have an idea of what is going on.
Hedonistbro@reddit
Totally normal to have an average of 2 active shooter incidents at elementary schools each year. The only country in the world where it happens.
MrBingly@reddit
Still less likely than getting struck by lightning. And insanely less likely than dying to it being hot in Europe.
Hedonistbro@reddit
Europe will slowly adopt AC as temperatures rise, it has already started. You're stuck with a rotten society that needs to teach children how to defend themselves against wannabe serial killers in their classrooms.
Ciao.
MrBingly@reddit
Europe is also slowly adopting the same kind of problems with crime that America has...
I hope you guys can learn from us and not make the same mistakes, but that's not going to happen if you all keep thinking it only has to do with guns.
justherefortehmemes@reddit
No guns = no mass shootings.
Australia did it after one singular mass shooting, haven’t had one since. That’s called, ready for it, SOLVING A PROBLEM.
You’re really out here saying “but its only 6 people (AVERAGED) per year who die in school shootings, its not that bad” motherfucker thats 6 more than it should be???
Kind of also forgetting the part where non-school mass shootings also exist and kill people, conveniently, but hey guys dont worry less SPECIFICALLY School “Active Shooters” than lightning strikes deaths a year so its not a problem!
You’re traumatised into being desensitised, and that’s not remotely okay, good, or something to celebrate.
Pelcat@reddit
Australia is a bad comparison to use, America is not Australia and it never will be. Not dismissing your other points though. I also think Americans try to downplay their absolutely horrible culture surrounding guns. There are countries around the world with very lax gun laws but a very healthy and safe gun culture (Switzerland for instance) and they don't have the same issues as America. I think it should start with education of the masses and then they might start making sensible steps instead of divisive knee jerk laws which just serve to radicalize both sides of the argument.
justherefortehmemes@reddit
Never tried to say Australia was America, just an extreme example of gun control working. I’d also like to point out more rural Australians have firearms than most think, guns are not BANNED in Australia, we just have rules around them because believe it or not giving a death machine to an 18 year old because some old guys a few hundreds of years ago said so is a bad idea, and America is the only fucked up shithole to not realise that.
Pelcat@reddit
I said your comparison was bad because the countries are totally different and in different geopolitical and geographical situations.
Anyways, no one needs knee jerk legislation, I don't think Australia is a very good example of sensible gun control. The violent crime rates were already going down in the 90s from it's heights (worldwide phenomenon) in the 80s. Same deal here in Canada, legislation was passed and it was said violent crime was lowered due to that knee jerk legislation even though the trend was already downwards. Then they pulled the same shit in 2020...
There are a lot of way more effective measures than simply banning stuff by looks, liscencing and registration of concealable weapons such as handguns and short barreled rifles being the main ones. Which actually worked here in Canada, that is until the gov't decided to fuck with our shit for votes. Which is the main fear of gun loving Americans and is an issue being milked for votes by both sides of the issue. In the end nothing sensible gets passed and the staus quo remains since both sides are at the extreme on this point. Perfect example being this thread...
"Death machines", hard to take that one seriously LOL
justherefortehmemes@reddit
Are you genuinely arguing that gun control, restrictions and registrations are a bad thing? I genuinely don’t know what side you’re on.
Also “death machines” what other fucking purpose does a 300 round per minute full auto firearm have? Bad faith argument, come back when you want to have a proper adult discussion.
ChinaRiceNoodles@reddit
Australia's gun bans virtually did fuck all to combat their near-nonexistant gun violence. They never even had a problem with guns before they banned them. Now the whole country has to be disarmed and no longer trusted with guns because of a few niche murders. Your society was already fine before. Your overall murder rate is basically the same.
justherefortehmemes@reddit
You say it did nothing, and didn’t change our stats…
How many mass shootings since we banned them? That was the only fucking stat we cared about and its the one thats stayed zero.
Sorry we care more about children and general public safety than the need to carry fucking assault rifles in public places. Do you actually hear yourself??
Nobody in Australia gives a single fuck that there are restrictions- and anyone who does is the type of people the restrictions are there to stop, aka they’re doing their fucking job. Dumb ass genocidal mass shooting worshipping fuckin rednecks, the lot of you
MrBingly@reddit
Australia had virtually no mass shootings to begin with, and a steady decline in murders in general with the new laws having negligible effect of at all. They also have a tiny population, and never anywhere near the relationship to guns that the US has.
The US is roughly half the population of all of Europe in a country the same size as your continent. There's more guns than people here. There's also more violent crime in general than in Europe. How do you suppose you get rid of all those guns in a massive country with plenty of gang activity, and drug cartel operations without getting to wave a magic wand? Your "solution" is wishful thinking. And then even if you could wish away the guns we'd be left with the same violent crime problem as now. Just with a few less deaths per year.
At least how it stands now my elderly mother has the option to defend herself from any criminals instead of being an easy victim to whoever feels like hurting her. (The CDC estimated that the presence of a gun stops upwards of 200,000 crimes a year, on the low end.)
justherefortehmemes@reddit
“Even if you could wish away the guns we’d be left with the same violent crime problem as now. Just with a few less deaths per year”
Children. A few less dead children each year. Not to mention homicides and gun related injuries (because guess what, modern medicine is really fking effective and not everyone who gets shot dies!) Just say it, just say out clear as day ‘My guns are more important to me than children dying’. Just say it, quit hiding and fucking say it you coward.
I’d also like to point out Australia doesnt have the same gun relationship because we’re not fucking insane - and you used this like a negative?? We don’t WANT guns because look at what happens???
Also your Mother is significantly more likely to have that gun turned on her in a home invasion, congratulations your only half sensible argument has been disproven by actual facts and logic. Oh and I brought sources:
Homicide Deaths Among Adult Cohabitants of Handgun Owners in California, 2004 to 2016
Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study
Sounds like you also like your guns more than your own mother? Sad life.
ChinaRiceNoodles@reddit
here's a better source:
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/a01/violent-deaths-and-shootings
"From 2000 through 2022, there were 328 casualties (131 killed and 197 wounded) in active shooter incidents at elementary and secondary schools and 157 casualties (75 killed and 82 wounded) in active shooter incidents at postsecondary institutions."
206 deaths & 279 injuries every year over 22 years would be an average of 9.4 deaths and 12.7 injuries every year.
Thanks for proving the statistic you were trying to refute to be true.
Your below statistics are only likely to be the case because of a change in the definition of what is considered a school shooting - which would typically include spillover gang violence in dense cities - which still typically result in very minimal killed or injured - but the mere presence of gunfire will count it as a shooting. From a legal and cultural perspective, there is no concievable reason why a phenomena that stays the same / slowly increases would suddenly double in 1 year. I blame the change in administration.
Trazer12@reddit
Who cares ? Kids still die from school shootings, those are completely avoidable deaths, and therefore a problem that should be addressed.
BruhGoblin@reddit
Hedonistbro@reddit
Have you seen some of your people? Down south they look like the missing link who fucked their cousin.
MemeSage14@reddit
Like other people didn't do that to the US too.
Dave5876@reddit
I live in the most powerful Empire in history boohoo
BiGG_BObEk@reddit
Not to forget generalising Europe as if any of these countries don't differ greatly from each other. Like someone in sweden is probably less likely to die of heat than he would be to being killed by gun violence in the US.
Harambiz@reddit
That’s like saying it’s more likely to get mauled by a Grizzly in Alaska than in NYC
BasonPiano@reddit
That's rich coming from a European
justV_2077@reddit
Whataboutism
BeenEatinBeans@reddit
Standard mutt seething
Chmuurkaa_@reddit
In Poland almost nobody has AC
Why?
Gee, idk. Let's see... It's July 8th, middle of summer, and peak temperature today is gonna be... 22C/71F
And the highest temperature this week is gonna be... 26C/79F
Oh no...... How will I survive without AC.........
prigo929@reddit
Seattle (a known cold place) has over 60% homes with AC. THE LOWEST METRO IN THE COUNTRY.
Wilgrym@reddit
Angloid will choose to live in the mormonincestville in the middle of Nevadan desert and then wonder why we don't have AC when we don't live in a dogshit wasteland
prigo929@reddit
It’s really beautiful honestly. I have a friend who has a house in the Las Vegas Valley and it really has a certain charm. I don’t think the desert is for everyone but man it is so stunning.
greku_cs@reddit
maybe it's an issue of your specific social circle but I know multiple people who own AC, myself included
lutteni@reddit
I mean it was like 35°C 4 days ago or smth in Łódź
ollieoc@reddit
Difference between heat deaths and gun deaths is the majority of heat deaths are old people, usually very old. Majority of gun deaths are not old people.
Econmajorhere@reddit
Yeah lol fuck those old losers
prigo929@reddit
How is this being upvoted? It’s not old people only. I had a friend who died because of heat in south Italy.
ollieoc@reddit
And whilst it’s a genuine issue, in Europe we will put AC in our care homes before America passes meaningful gun control
EricPrydzHouseGod@reddit
I would venture to guess that more Europeans died by guns in the 20th century alone than in the entire (albeit short) US history.
lordwiggles420@reddit
That civil war you guys got coming up will probably pump your numbers up though
Samihazah@reddit
I agree, the US should host next world war event.
FinestCrusader@reddit
Also, it's not like you can put ACs everywhere. In countries like Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal, old people like to go out. They like to sit down with a glass of wine in some restaurant and read a book or just talk to others. Now when it's like 35-40C outside, there aren't really any bulletproof (this is my subtle nod to American culture) solutions to keep people cool while they sit on some patio. If everyone sat inside their pickup trucks and suburban hellholes, it would be easier to make sure they don't die from heat.
blodgute@reddit
The difference is that within ten years I expect many europoor homes will have AC, and many Americans will still be dying in school shootings
LostInAnotherGalaxy@reddit
What will have changed in 10 years? We have had cheap window bound ac for 50 years
Marik-X-Bakura@reddit
Things haven’t been that hot until relatively recently
prigo929@reddit
Yeah. But if the next decade will be cooler or if in 3 decades it gets significantly cooler what will you say?
LostInAnotherGalaxy@reddit
That’s just not true.
calvintdm@reddit
The hottest 10 years in recorded history are the last 10 years.
LostInAnotherGalaxy@reddit
That’s also untrue, during the Dino times it was far higher
MrBingly@reddit
There's more deaths to lightning strikes than school shootings in the US.
Stuka_Ju87@reddit
You won't be able to afford the electricity for the AC. And will keep having more hand grenade attacks and terrorist in trucks running over civilians, while your police focus on arresting Europoors over "offensive" social media comment.
lordwiggles420@reddit
The united states has the highest amount of prisoners in the world but here you are shitting on europe for arresting people for being "offensive". At least here you won't get arrested for walking on the street while black.
Lopunnymane@reddit
At least no planes going into our buildings lel!
JustDontBeFat_GodDam@reddit
True, but by then Europe will probably be clowned once or twice more by russia. Lot more kids dying there.
Anomen77@reddit
Clowned? They can't even beat Ukraine and you expect them to take on the entirety of the EU?
BionicHawki@reddit
The difference is this completely made up opinion of mine.
KindStranger1337@reddit
Fact of the matter is as long as you give media coverage and 15 minutes of fame to losers for their fuckass manifesto there's still going to be school shootings.
Its a pretty obvious solution but gun control agendas and tv ratings prevent not showing these events. If they didn't get any attention the mass shootings would largely cease.
OllieMoee@reddit
Europe is 44 different countries.
It would be like lumping the USA in with all the South American countries.
A stupid argument for apes.
zombieruler7700@reddit
europe is like 44 countries but their population is only double the US's, and theyre both about the same landwise. Its a pretty fair comparison
prigo929@reddit
Honestly just compare it with EU. Most countries have a high standard of living (compared to globally). The population is 445 million, closer to 340 million in USA.
OllieMoee@reddit
Hurr ustraluaa landmass but the hurr sure huerrrrrrrrr...
Shut your gaps hole. Stupid argument.
zombieruler7700@reddit
Most intelligent Europoor over here
the_marxman@reddit
It's a dogshit argument for better reasons than just that. I'm certain that 8.5x number was cherry picked straight from OPs ass, but then their argument is that the omnipresent heat orb kills more people than guns which are only seldom used in specific circumstances.
Dave5876@reddit
Switzerland has all kinds of gun culture and none of the same insanity happens
PiscesSoedroen@reddit
It's literally called united states and have 6 more states than europe. The comparison is fair
Louk997@reddit
We also have states or provinces or whatever in each European country too. You can't compare a country with a continent period.
PiscesSoedroen@reddit
The states in the US have more in common with an actual nation than provinces even down to law and politic systems. If we wanna be real fair, the closest comparison of USA would be EU.
But in this argument even the US+south america doesn't fit either because USA is as big as europe and its climate difference is bigger and more extreme than europe
MrBingly@reddit
Lumping Europe together does them a favor in this context because it dilutes the heat deaths with the inclusion of countries where it doesn't get hot. If you only look at the parts of Europe that have a similar average climate to America then the numbers are drastically worse for the Europeans.
MechaWASP@reddit
Except lumping south America in would be like lumping the EU in with Africa.
The US has as varied climates as Europe, though not as varied people, admittedly.
OllieMoee@reddit
It wouldn't though eh, as I assume we are talking about continental Europe.
The standard of living in Kosovo is not as high as France.
Hence, it would be like including Mexican statistics in USA breakdowns.
Again, a stupid argument.
MechaWASP@reddit
Yeah, and the standard for living in a small city in Louisiana isn't the same as Boston.
Plenty of poor areas in the US.
OllieMoee@reddit
Yes, but you're one country.
How are you not getting this?
MechaWASP@reddit
And? The question is about standard of living and climate leading to weather-related deaths. The US is just as varied as Europe. It being different countries is meaningless.
How are you not getting this?
OllieMoee@reddit
Ok, I'll try and break this down for you.
The USA is one country.
You're comparing different countries on continental Europe.
I said, that's like comparing countries in the Americas.
You sperg out talking about varied landscape or some shit, but don't understand the premise.
MechaWASP@reddit
Okay, I'll try and break this down for you.
It doesn't matter if the USA is one country.
The entire premise is heat related deaths. This relates to climates and heat waves, and standard of living. The US is just as varied as the EU, so it being different countries doesn't matter.
Being separate countries is literally meaningless, but you just sperg out and try to say the comparison is invalid because you're a certified moron.
Or you live in Europe, and your brain is overheating from a 70F heatwave again.
OllieMoee@reddit
I don't live in Europe and your education system has failed you and countless others.
MechaWASP@reddit
Ironic, I'd say the same about yours.
Pretty embarrassing. Maybe you should consider using related factors to deconstruct a comparison, instead of embarrassing yourself by bringing meaningless characteristics into it.
When you and your friends argue about football, you start yelling about which jersey color is better, don't you?
OllieMoee@reddit
✊ 💦
That's it champ.
russian_octopus@reddit
Buddy is ratioing you hard. Do you have a humiliation fetish or something?
OllieMoee@reddit
How will I ever recover from having double digit yanks down voting me... The shame.
Colonel_Abraham@reddit
So Europe as a whole has a similar land mass to America. It has varying climates like America. They're all economically tied to each other with many sharing currency and military power. You can freely move between each country nearly just as easily as you can between American states. All of those countries are Christian so there's a cultural link. Europe is basically a fucked up confederation that totally warrants being compared as a whole rather than 44 separate entities. It doesn't really matter that they all speak different languages. They all don't use AC.
OllieMoee@reddit
Yep, cool.
Why do yanks need to use AC all the time?
Usually an inability to regulate body temperature would indicate thyroid issues or diabetes. Very cool country.
russian_octopus@reddit
Usually an inability to use an AC in heatwaves, kills people. Cope harder Europoor.
Dellgloom@reddit
Love seeing people who can't lose arguments gracefully and resort to insults in a desperate attempt to appear superior.
Complete council estate scholar.
OllieMoee@reddit
Love seeing some mouth breather on the Internet throw in his completely fucking useless tuppence.
Complete stereotype.
russian_octopus@reddit
Maybe start with getting an AC bud.
Kelvinek@reddit
That's wrong though, separate countries matters a lot, since each of them will count differently.
For one US undercounts, only considering it heat death if you basically cook yourself.
As far i as find examples from eu countries, seemingly most overcount, its heat death if at all related.
Dadaman3000@reddit
Eeeh, no, comparing the US with Europe is not that off when it comes to climate.
The US is one massive country with 50 states and that compares quite well.
Culturally not as varied, but I don't think the weather really cares about what language you speak.
OllieMoee@reddit
This site is a cess pool of backwards amebas.
I don't care about your comment one way or the other, I'm just letting you know.
teemoismyson@reddit
USA is 50 different states with incredibly varying climates too. go buy an AC eurpoor
tulleekobannia@reddit
Nah. Go buy kevlar before you get shot
OllieMoee@reddit
What a stupid fucking comment.
Not even from Europe.
univrsll@reddit
Europoor in spirt I guess
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Bait as old as time.
ConfidentMongoose@reddit
It's true, Almost no one has AC here in Europe, it's ridiculous because it's so cheap... But ze Germans and le baguettes, for some strange reason, prefer to get sodomized by the weather.
Usernameistoolonglol@reddit
I guess we live in a different Europas
ConfidentMongoose@reddit
Those are pathetic numbers... Imagine being some of the richest countries in the world, but voluntarily chosing to live in climatization hell.
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
I really don't think people don't have ACs because they can't afford them. They just never needed them. Germans, on average, I'm SURE, can afford an air conditioner.
prigo929@reddit
They have regulations stopping them, not money (for most of northern Western Europe at least)
NotMorganSlavewoman@reddit
Because it's not really needed ? Like where I live is hot, but a ceiling fan is enough for me, so I don't need to spend lots of money on both the AC or the power bill. Though we have small AC units that we can move from room to room, there's no need for those most of the time.
Assatt@reddit
Mutts can't comprehend cooling your house with a fan and it being a comfortable 23C, they need to definitely cool their house until they can wear a hoodie and sweatpants inside their house even if it's 45C outside
morbid0x@reddit
In Germany, the average summer day temp is 23C (73F) so most people don’t bother getting AC
234RK@reddit
I can only comment on germany. Where I live it only gets uncomfortably hot for a couple days in a row and maybe 1-2 weeks a year in total.
Our houses a pretty well insulated so generally it doesn't heat up too much inside during the day.
Supermarkets, malls etc. all have A/C and most hospitals and retirement homes do too (maybe not in the whole building, but in sensible areas).
For residential homes it just doesn't make sense to install a proper A/C system with air ducts. Some people are buying split units though and also those cheap A/C systems with an exhaust hose for the window are getting more popular.
If you don't have solar, a proper A/C for a residential house is very expensive to run, since our electricity prices are much higher compared to the US.
I think it'll be much more sensible to run campaigns on proper hydration for old people and maybe also tell them to visit their nearest leisure centre or similar institutions with A/C if it gets too bad. Probably about 90% of heat related deaths could be avoided this way.
JakeVonFurth@reddit
What are you defining as uncomfortable? Most Americans set their house between 68-75°F/20-24°C, with basically everywhere getting 90°-Up summers nowadays.
NotMorganSlavewoman@reddit
Dude, 39ºC is 102ºF, not 90
callmejinji@reddit
It also gets there (102F) regularly in the southern summers.
JakeVonFurth@reddit
I meant to type 32, no idea why I wrote 39.
Knopfmacher@reddit
During the few hot days last week, when we had up to 36°C (97°F) outside, the temperature in my German apartment went up to 27°C (80°F) without AC.
conqaesador@reddit
Even in these hotter summers, our flat only goes over 25C a couple of days a year. Close the blinds during the day, put up a fan, windows open at night. The heat usually peaks and goes down, again and again. Continous heat for maybe one or two weeks straight, then it gets uncomfortable, but that happens once a year, i‘m not getting an AC for that
Tarianor@reddit
It's only really been in very recent times we go above 30° in Scandinavia, and even then it only very rarely for maybe a week or two tops every year, and often only for a day or two at a time.
Most of the time, temperatures during summer hits 25-28°C highs and stabilise around 15-25°C.
Its one of the reasons most people here don't really have A/C.
JakeVonFurth@reddit
People keep their ACs on during those temps. Basically people generally set their AC to whatever they want it at, and it regularly the interior year round. (Only change being that you usually have to change it between Heat and Cool in Winter and Summer.)
Tarianor@reddit
Definitely understandable in 30+ weather. But 25-28 for us is just air out in the morning/evening and then close all windows during and the house will still be ok :)
Sometimes if its windy we just keep the windows open and its still fine midday.
NobleTheDoggo@reddit
If only your dumbass government didn't scrap all those nuclear plants.
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
A traditional A/C window unit would get in the way of Stoßlüften.
This is an unacceptable sacrifice.
Reading_at_work@reddit
I don't have an AC at home in Belgium. We get temps above 40°C aka +/- 100°F like once every five years.
My house is super isolated and my windows are equipped with sun screens to block out the sun on hot days. So last week when we had a rare week of 35°C aka 95°F i just closed my screens and enjoyed a cool 24°C aka 73°F inside my home without the need of an AC.
Can i get one? Sure.
Do i need one? Not unless they put the actual heat on more than once per five year lol.
Usernameistoolonglol@reddit
It's mostly guesswork, but there might be some issues behind the lack of AC in these countries, like harsh rules or suppressive regulation on AC placement.
But then again, in my corner of Europe AC is mostly unregulated and we have these monstrosities, so pick your poison:
Immortal_Merlin@reddit
Choosing between surviving both +35 and -35 every year or ugly soviet buildings being slightly less ugly... hmmmm
BirbsAreSoCute@reddit
Someone told me they can't legally modify their own house to put an AC in it if they wanted to because it was built before 1900, and they're happy about this?
Usernameistoolonglol@reddit
Yes, that's the thing I never mentioned: AC units here are often used for main/auxillary heating in winter as well, as central heating is worn out and sometimes underdelivers. Thank you for pointing that out!
izza123@reddit
I pick the monstrosities obviously
The_Freshmaker@reddit
some European countries just historically haven't needed it, and energy costs are 2-3x so people prefer to suck it up rather than run it.
NegativeMammoth2137@reddit
What makes you assume it’s "voluntary". It’s not like we want to suffer. Most residential buildings in France are just to old to allow for an easy installation of AC
The_Freshmaker@reddit
...you got a window don't you?
Stuka_Ju87@reddit
They even make mobile units with a hose. Mine would work on a fist sized hole in the wall.
tulleekobannia@reddit
Dont need one. It hasn't been above 20C once this summer
LostInAnotherGalaxy@reddit
Half of those are still empty
airfryerfuntime@reddit
That looks soviet, lol.
YourBestDream4752@reddit
You’re not gonna believe this…
Pleasant50BMGForce@reddit
I’ve seen even commieblocks with AC
UselessINFPScum@reddit
"so cheep" Arround 1000 for something usable Ok
Kzero01@reddit
And you'd use it for like 2 weeks of the year
staling_lad@reddit
With a european wage, and the alternative of not having one being - as put by another dude in this thread - sodomized to death by heat, I fail to see how that's not within reason.
lordwiggles420@reddit
The heat isn't that bad if you know how to deal with it. You can keep your house pretty cool by just keeping the windows and blinds closed while the sun is out and running a fan. Why spend a thousand euro when you can just do that?
staling_lad@reddit
I suppose if it's not bad enough that this way of remedy works then I guess there's that, huh? As someone currently living in sub 40C humid as hell heat I couldn't bear going any longer without AC.
lordwiggles420@reddit
Oh yeah 40c is a whole different ballgame. Though last week it was 36c for a day or two and i still didn't really need an ac. If it had been really humid it would've been a different thing entirely. Humidity is what would kill me, not the heat.
UselessINFPScum@reddit
Not being able to afford it, landlords not allowing you to instal it.. Dont talk about what you dont know. We dont enjoy being "sodomized by heat" as much as you like to think
lordwiggles420@reddit
AC was never really needed before but due to climate change the summers are getting hotter and hotter every year. In a few years AC units will be a lot more common in Europe.
SaltyFlavors@reddit
Energy is 4 times as expensive in Germany as in the US. People count turning the stove on in Euros
Reading_username@reddit
WHO and the https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/08/1152766 say 175,000 Europeans died due to heat in 2024, of population 744,000,000. This accounts for 0.0235% of the population. Or 2.35 out of 10,000 people.
US gun violence accounted for ~47,000 deaths in 2023 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/05/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/, out of a population of 335,000,000. This accounts for 0.014% of the population, or about 1.4 out of 10,000 people.
So you are almost twice as likely to be killed by the sun in Europe than by gun violence in America.
Not quite 8.5x, but still eye opening and gives good ammo for dabbing on europoors.
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/05/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/
It depends what they mean by 'killed by someone with a gun'. I think most people assume that to be murder, since, despite statistically likely, people aren't concerned about killing themselves when they fear gun violence in the US.
In 2023, there was then rather 18,000 gun deaths in the US, so 0.0053%, or 0.53 in 10,000.
Thus, about 4.5 times more likely to die due to heat in Europe then killed by gun violence in the US.
BoloRoll@reddit
Break down by race now
onarainyafternoon@reddit
It's crazy that when you keep people in systemic poverty, they're more likely to be violent. Who knew!
prigo929@reddit
It has nothing to do with poverty. It’s just the culture they grow up in.
https://eji.org/news/study-rich-black-kids-more-likely-incarcerated-than-poor-white-kids/
Also for people brining up that ohh “racial injustice”… it’s actually the white people who are the fairest in trials with black people being significantly more “forgiving” for their own.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7389776_Racial_Bias_in_Mock_Juror_Decision-Making_A_Meta-Analytic_Review_of_Defendant_Treatment
The-Squirrelk@reddit
It can be more than one thing. Poverty, culture, outside influences, drugs. But I think it irritates people that you're not allowed to say that culture could be a contributing factor, because that'd make you a racist apparently.
Cynical_Tripster@reddit
Copied from a comment elsewhere:
Controversial fact: Racial differences in homicide rates are poorly explained by economics - Race (% black population by county) predicts homicide rate better than poverty rate, median household income, racial segregation, income segregation, and education rates
Un-clean_Person@reddit
Have you read the link you've sent? Can't tell you why, but I did lol. Black people commit more homicide according to all the data here, but poorer black people still commit substantially more homicide that more affluent black people.
Aka system poverty can't account for why black people have higher rates of homicide, but like it does for literally every other racial category, household income is still substantially correlated with homicide rate within the category of black people. So it's not like your article disproves a long-observed relationship between income and homicide/crime rates; it only reasserts that black people commit more crime. (And so, poorer black people commit more crime that more affluent ones, as always, because why commit crime when you're wealthy, at which point you can hire better lawyers anyway)
Also, don't you think it's a little suspect that your article says homicide rates correlate with single motherhood, but not household income? Those things are typically pretty related, and makes me doubt some of the analysis being performed
Bunstrous@reddit
It's quite a large study (without any peer review btw) and I can't be bothered to get into reading much of the graphs so maybe I'm missing some important details to explain it away but I did find it rather odd that whenever someone in the comments on that site brought up the overall social stigma that surrounds black people in American society, the author often outright disagrees with its significance largely brushes it off as unimportant to his overall study but I really don't understand how that's the case? I clearly understand that measuring stigma isn't really possible but that doesn't mean it doesn't play a role and I feel that it explains a lot. Hundreds of years of slavery largely practiced on one ethnic group followed by intense segregation is going to predispose many people to certain outlooks on other groups of people. Stereotypes will be perpetuated, cycles will be repeated, etc.. Sure, it's clear that modern day economic factors don't explain the significant disparity in black crime rates (if we ignore the last point you mentioned) but modern day economic factors haven't really existed for American black folk for very long and they don't eliminate everything that has come before that may lead to modern black communities and culture having increased crime/homicide rates.
Look! The historically and actively stigmatized and disenfranchised group of people are just now able to be successful and have the means to live a well off life which means that it simply makes no sense that they would have higher violent crime rates than groups of people who descend from substantially less persecuted backgrounds!
dg2793@reddit
Lmao in that article, I found like maybe two citations (embedded links rlly NO actual citation section at all), only one of which had a link that WORKED? I wouldn't exactly call this article data driven or evidence of ANYTHING. I'm not stating anything further, but like check your references to make sure there's peer reviewed work.
13thWardBassMan@reddit
Thank you for this. Hard science.
popofagnnar@reddit
seeing this comment on this sub is
beansahol@reddit
ok, poor white people vs poor black people
tulleekobannia@reddit
Same way it depends what they mean by "died due to heat". Every old person who dies of natural causes during a heatwave gets counted to this. And yes, it's literally only 90+ year olds
MyBeardsNeck@reddit
They wouldn't measure it that way if they had air conditioning
KJting98@reddit
Yeah, should learn from the muricans' stop-the-count.exe
prigo929@reddit
This is brilliant! Well done sir
SwimmingResist5393@reddit
Europe's pension problem solved!
Heresy_is_fun@reddit
See, thats why they dont have AC. You can promise infinite retirement as long as they dont live long after they retire.
Cryptix001@reddit
The other side of that coin is the US gutting social security and Medicare because the elderly die of preventable diseases anyway
Heresy_is_fun@reddit
Well, we should cut those programs since we will spend ourselves into bankruptcy and then everyone will suffer. Plus its not the government's responsibility to take care of anyone. If you're dumb enough to put your faith in the government to take care of you in your old age, you're dumb enough to gamble your retirement on criminals and politicians (i know, I said politician twice).
These programs are and should be safety nets, not normal for everyone. If I could opt out of receiving SS, I would. We shouldn't be robbing Peter to pay Paul.
MadKingRyan@reddit
does it separate people who died in non air-conditioned rooms from people who died while out in the sun though? or are we counting deaths from hiking in the wilderness and working in construction and mining etc as "lol no ac"
t_dizZe@reddit
american math, not worth trying to understand it.
Tripleberst@reddit
I'm curious as to how many Americans die due to lack of ac
MrBingly@reddit
2,300 deaths due to heat annually in the US.
You're 34x more likely to die from heat in Europe than in the US.
Tripleberst@reddit
Hell yeah
DelcoUnited@reddit
Right, it’s the same group that would die 6 months later from lack of adequate heat if they had had ac.
Waswat@reddit
It's just really old people that die due to heat. If the same people were in the US they'd likely die by obesity by the time they get that age.
Bruvernment@reddit
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Overweight_and_obesity_-_BMI_statistics
Waswat@reddit
What's that supposed to point out?
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity
The average is much higher in the US and the rate of obese+severe obese people is tripled (which is more the problem).
Bruvernment@reddit
The point is that obesity is on the rise everywhere
marcodol@reddit
Honestly not that bad
Eledridan@reddit
The mistake was because they only know metric. Same reason they can’t make it to the moon.
ckpwrson@reddit
What
Reading_username@reddit
Fair point
SomaPavamana@reddit
Wouldn’t you have to reduce the figures by the number who died by heat in the US though?
nevergonnasweepalone@reddit
How many Americans died from weather events vs how many euros died from gun violence?
MrBingly@reddit
1.6 per million gun deaths in Europe.
~3,000 heat/weather deaths total in America. (0.000009 per million)
(Just a quick Google check.)
Corbotron_5@reddit
But how many Americans also die due to heat? With the far hotter weather and abysmal healthcare, I’m going to guess it’s not great.
The gun comparison is arbitrary.
MrBingly@reddit
2,300 annually
Sevatar34@reddit
Now let's see a combined stat of thise death causes in both places
MrBingly@reddit
~47,000 gun deaths plus ~2,000 heat deaths...
It really doesn't change the statistic. You're more likely to die of heat in Europe than heat/guns in America. By a long shot.
Freihl@reddit
Thing is i can look after my temperature pretty well, whereas the only thing i can do about getting shot is to shoot first which isn't particularly likely.
It's not like the sun's fuckin trying to kill everyone, it's avoidable.
FrazzleFlib@reddit
and how many of those heatstroke deaths were actually inside, ie relevant to AC lmfao
pepitobuenafe@reddit
And how likely to die by the sun in USA
Reading_username@reddit
"Overall, a total of more than 14,000 Americans have died directly from heat-related causes since 1979, according to death certificates."
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-heat-related-deaths
CrewmemberV2@reddit
So you are a factor of 582x more likely to die in Europe from heat than in the USA.
This gigantic difference should tell us that these values are not measuring the same data and cannot be compared this way.
CelDeJos@reddit
I mean sure, but It's partly cuz being a US fatass riding around in a scooter you likely drop dead long before the heat gets you. EU have waaay more people making it to 90 yo and heat really becomes a problem for that age group.
Check by age brackets and see what that looks like
poop-machines@reddit
It's also important to look at how these stats are measured.
CDC counts only direct heat-related deaths where heat is given as the primary reason on death certificates.
European countries count anybody who had sunstroke/heatstroke or hyperphermia as a result of the weather that died of any cause.
So no, they are not comparable.
https://www.cdc.gov/environmental-health-tracking/php/data-research/heat-heat-related-illness.html
CaesarAustonkus@reddit
Why do they record them differently? Is it something like clerical bs, incompetent record keepers, or different cultural perception?
poop-machines@reddit
Because they are all independent and do it their own way. The world isn't under one government. This is this same for just about all government stats
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/2023-set-a-record-for-u-s-heat-deaths-why-2024-could-be-even-deadlier
Without paying for more detailed sources, seems around 2-3,000 people, or 0.09 out of 10,000, so over 25 times more likely to be killed by the sun in Europe.
And the United States has higher average temperatures than Europe, particularly, also, more extreme temperatures.
CrewmemberV2@reddit
This should tell us that there is a problem with the data.
Besides having the same name, they probably measure a different metric and therefore cannot be compared.
pepitobuenafe@reddit
Is not only the air conditioning. They build houses to retain heat cause they are use to colder temperatures. If you have random intervals of like 10 years of hotter temperatures all your buildings will get hit greatly.
DrakenDaskar@reddit
How does crayons taste?
pepitobuenafe@reddit
I like the purple ones.
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
Insulation works both ways. It doesn't keep heat in. We don't live in greenhouses here.
Insulation slows the movement of heat. Either in the winter to keep the warm air in, or in the summer to keep the hot air out.
pepitobuenafe@reddit
Many days in a row of heat will make a greenhouse out of your house. I mean a single hot day wont kill you but many in a row is awfull in a house like that.
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
I wonder if there is a device you could keep in your home that could somehow regulate the temperature, maybe even condition it, to ensure the internal temperature of the house doesn't get to deadly levels.
pepitobuenafe@reddit
Yeah. They would actually be cheap to run on insulated houses. Is just what i think causes the increase in deaths, the combination of highly insulated houses with no air conditioning.
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
As I already attempted to explain, the 'highly-insulated' homes are actually reducing the deaths. As far as I've ever experienced here, the issue with the heat isn't that your apartment gets hotter than outside, the problem is your apartment is as hot as outside, without reprieve.
Plus, there is very little refuge. In places with AC, you walk from AC house, to AC car, to AC store, to AC car, to AC office, etc... But, at least here, it's not just that individuals don't have AC, almost nobody does, businesses included.
You walk from the hot apartment onto the hot street into the hot store to the hot office.
AvengerDr@reddit
"Here", where? In Southern Italy, not in Montecarlo, almost everyone does have AC, people and business alike.
If we have to dot the is, it's mostly a northern European thing, not a panEuropean thing.
If my euroHOA-equivalent would let me, I'd put ac at my home here in Belgium too. My office is unbearable in summer and I almost never go there during these days.
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
Personally, Germany. But, I was being vague to represent a blanket 'places without A/C everywhere' as a direct comparison with the US.
SweetLobsterBabies@reddit
This is a bad way of describing it.
We do sort of live in greenhouses, they just aren't made entirely of windows. In the summer, if the temperature at night is not dropping down from the high temp during the day, your house is maintaining a temperature that will continue to get hotter each day without airflow and air exchange. Your attic is going to be over 100 degrees F, guaranteed, and that will act as a catalyst to continuously heat your house.
The hottest part of the day is normally mid-late afternoon, before the sun starts to go down (depending on hemisphere location) and the coldest part of the day is early morning right before the sun comes up. If it's 100 F at 4pm and 80 F at 5am your house will be over 80 degrees F with zero air circulation or exchange.
Waswat@reddit
> We don't live in greenhouses here.
Considering how big the windows are in dutch homes, yeah we kind of do...
airfryerfuntime@reddit
How much colder? There are parts of the US that get up to over 100 during the summer and like -20 during the winter.
MayonaiseBaron@reddit
Many places in the US are just as cold, if not colder than comparably populated places in Europe. North America has substantially more variation in climate and much more extreme weather events than Europe.
The summer average high where I live is 10⁰ hotter than the average highs London and Stockholm and 6⁰ hotter than Paris. The winters here average 22⁰ colder than the average lows London and Paris and 11⁰ colder than Stockholm.
Go out west to the high deserts and the temperature can vary more in a day than a European nation sees in a year. I live someplace "mild" in comparison.
I also live in a neighborhood with timber frame homes built in the 1690s and 1700s. Every single excuse they come up with is a cope. They'll never own homes so I have no idea why they care so much, anyway.
schmitzel88@reddit
Much of the US gets colder than the majority of Europe on average. The area I live in is colder in the winter and hotter in the summer than most of Europe.
KRAy_Z_n1nja@reddit
Every day in Texas is a fight for survival against the sun.
GallowGreen@reddit
would it be worthwhile to consider that potentially many heat-related deaths in the U.S. are not counted as such if the victim is homeless? something like: difference in homeless population per 1000 x higher rate of heat related deaths for homeless, to get estimated unconfirmed homeless deaths related to heat
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240828-how-the-homeless-stay-cool-in-extreme-heat
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/extreme-heat-can-be-deadly-for-people-who-are-homeless
Bubudel@reddit
Yeah, no. Heat kills in the sense that it can worsen pre-existing health conditions, it's not like europeans are dropping dead in the streets of heat exhaustion (at least, not 175000 annually).
It's not comparable to gun deaths because people are directly killed by guns, without need for preexisting and predisposing conditions.
thoughtlow@reddit
Yeah with heatwaves death at retirement home spike. I wonder what the age stats are for that number.
AapZonderSlingerarm@reddit
Now give us the the numbers of people in America dying from heat? Because here we are again... Muricans to stupid to "actually" compare statistics. And then after that, add the number for gun violence.. You people keep making a fool out of yourself.. Its sad..
k9fluf@reddit
If we also add Nonfatal gunshot injuries (36,357 source) to the mix as most people miss those, you don't die you just get injured (might include wheelchair basketball tournaments).
Total goes up to 83,000 so 2.5 incidents per 10,000 people.
A newsworthy title - Roughly 1 in 4,000 people in the U.S. experienced a gun-related incident in 2023
Demistr@reddit
There's just no way 175k people died in one summer. That's such a bs lol.
cantfinduname@reddit
ngl i think it makes sense that more europeans are dying because of heat than americans since europeans go outside and walk more often, americans usually drive their cars instead of walking since their cities are designed like that and of course most heat related deaths happen outside where you can't put a giant ac to cool everyone down
another thing is that people in the eu are older and more prone to dying from heat, average age in the usa is around 39 while it's 44.7 in europe, and people in the southern eu, the hottest area, are the oldest, with the average age per country going from ~45 to ~48
Kelvinek@reddit
In reality, its just difference in counting. US hardly coints anything unless you basically cook yourself. Most eu deaths will be counted as heat killed, if cause of death is at all related.
cantfinduname@reddit
yeah that too, either way i don't think the lower amount of acs is killing europeans, mostly because if it was more people would have acs, it's just that our towns and villages are made to naturally counter the heat
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
How about when Texas froze to death though
Benbye1@reddit
The offical number from the Texas department of Health was 246 deaths related to the 2021 freeze.
The population of Texas is estimated to be around ~31,000,000 people, so about 0.00079% of the Texas population and about 0.00007% of the total American population.
Reading_username@reddit
What about terror attacks in Europe though
Whataboutism doesn't make a position into a valid counterpoint for the argument at hand.
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
This whole post is whataboutism
samtt7@reddit
Comparing guns to climate is comparing apples to oranges anyways. If we were to actually look at other factors that relate to health, I'm sure the statistics would look very different.
Also, just having the problem of gun violence is sad by itself
Weedraccoon@reddit
I'd rather die from being hot than having clogged veins by mr. Burger King
(We'll always find ways to win petty discussions)
mVargic@reddit
https://climate-adapt.eea.europa.eu/en/observatory/news-archive-observatory/heat-caused-over-47-000-deaths-in-europe-in-2023
The figures I can find are 47,000 for 2023 and 60 000 for 2022. Per capita that's lower than US gun violence.
Reading_username@reddit
I mean I literally linked the 2024 article but ok
kmeci@reddit
Well one source says 175k yearly on average and the other says 47k on a particularly bad year. Clearly they’re measuring different things.
prspaspl@reddit
But don't you have to add heat deaths in the USA to the gun violence total? There are plenty of people in the USA that don't have A/C and also have to deal with gun violence.
RedditHatesFreedoms@reddit
How many “died due to heat” in the US?
other-other-user@reddit
Holy shit that's incredible
JakeVonFurth@reddit
I would tell you to post to /r/theydidthemath, but I get the distinct feeling that a ban or mod removal would be the result.
izza123@reddit
I can’t even fathom 45 people in my town of 200,000 baking to death every summer that seems high lol
Natedude2002@reddit
How many Americans die of heat?
Marxism-Alcoholism17@reddit
175,000? That’s actually insane.
tulleekobannia@reddit
This must go really hard if you are a fucking dumbass
Decimator24244@reddit
I fucking love it!
-Dueck-@reddit
Can we have heat deaths in the US now?
bali40@reddit
Did you honestly expect an American to do math?
SipoteQuixote@reddit
If they had guns they could shoot holes into the sun to cool it down like we do.
schimmlie@reddit
WHO Europe counts 944millon from 53 countries.
So it’s more like 0.019
Broly30@reddit
Holy crap that’s crazy!!
ThiccArcher16@reddit
You can also die due to heat >!outside :O!<.
longconsilver13@reddit
Also a good chance the person who made the initial claim is only considering gun homicides
LUNAHUwU@reddit
In Italy it's like 50/50, some people have AC, some don't. We only got it recently in my household, for example.
HASJ@reddit
Why are white people so weak to heat? Anything above 30 and they are melting. Anything below 15 and they are freezing.
estimew@reddit
we have ACs in europe but summers dont get that hot so we don't need to cool down our homes and in winter we use firewood to heat houses because its much cheaper than heating it with AC
Danijay2@reddit
Yeah this is not only wrong. It also does not change the fact that more people die in America thanks to guns than they do all over the world in war.
AzzlackGuhnter@reddit
Bruh what is this smoothbrained autistic US rant? Lmao
SoupaMayo@reddit
Why are Muricans obsessed with our lack of AC ? It's getting hot like 3 weeks a year, usually between 35 and 40°C, there is AC at my job and I have a ventilator in my house I use it one month a year. It's like saying "wah wah you don't have snow tires, you're poor", yeah ok, there is no snow here either, why would I need it.
Some European countries are struggling in the south, maybe, but here in France it's ok if you're not a pussy
Assatt@reddit
The American mind can't comprehend cooling your house to 23C. They're not comfortable until it's set at 16C and they can wear a hoodie and sweatpants inside, probably because they're all obese and sweating like pigs all the time
SoupaMayo@reddit
They also can't comprehend stone houses that get 17°C every day of the year
AKArein@reddit
France ouais nique ouais
SoupaMayo@reddit
Le sang d'ses morts
tony_two_eyes@reddit
Americans getting offended about their gun violence is the dumbest thing they cling to
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
This is a really strange post
How, and why, was gun deaths related to heat death
Like, yeah, the US gets hot, so people have ACs. Europe typically doesn't get hot, so why would they have ACs? I'm sure many more will get them... I doubt it's because they lack the money lol
OuthouseEZ@reddit
Its comparing the likelihood of getting fatally shot, which people seem to think is a common occurrence in America, vs fatally overheating in europe which most people wouldn't think of as an issue (or at least as big of an issue.)
Its pointing out the odds, and sort of poking fun at the anti gun and/or European crowd
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
America should have gun control, to be fair... Just like you need thorough licensing to get explosives.
But I don't think they should be banned
OuthouseEZ@reddit
There already is gun control. If that isn't working, I don't see why we need more.
California has some of the strictest gun laws and they have the highest amount of mass shootings in america.
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
Can't you just drive guns across state borders? Why would California's state laws make any difference?
OuthouseEZ@reddit
You're missing the point. You absolutely can drive your guns across state lines, but then you'd potentially be breaking the law and could be smuggling illegal weapons across state lines which is a big deal im pretty sure. At best it'd be possession of a banned item. Idk im not a lawyer. Criminals do that sort of thing all the time but now the average American is at a huge disadvantage because they arent allowed to defend themselves now. They have to rely on the cops to get there and save them. Cops usually take about 10-30 minutes to arrive depending on where you live. It takes about 2 seconds to get shot in the face.
At the end of the day its a choice between freedom and safety. Id rather freedom with a miniscule increase to danger vs the other way around. Besides, the second amendment is a part of our checks and balances, it'd just be a bad idea to get rid of the peoples ability to stop a tyrannical government.
uTimu@reddit
"tyrannical goverment" you think some idiots with a gun win against your own military?
SlickAustin@reddit
Some people with guns have a lot better chances than some people without guns
Otherwise, we could all turn in our guns and really nicely ask the government not to turn tyrannical, but I wouldn't bet money on them listening
OuthouseEZ@reddit
Some people with guns and household chemical bombs beat the united states military in Afghanistan. Idk why they couldn't overthrow a tyrant here. It'd just have to be a popular and organized movement.
Im glad my right to bear arms doesn't depend on your personal experience.
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
I hear ya. I, as a Canadian, just don't like the idea that anyone I might accidentally piss off could whip a gun out. It's just a lot of power in the hands of literally anyone, which is a scary thought, since I don't trust people to act rationally
gamerman1219@reddit
Anybody you possibly piss off could just heat you to death with a pocket hammer or run you down in a car
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
Yeah that's true
Guns are a lot easier, and can be used on a whim, but yeah, I guess so
OuthouseEZ@reddit
You should buy a gun
keeleon@reddit
It's illegal to do that.
TudorG22@reddit
In france it's actually because they lack money. At least in the case of everyone I know who doesn't have it, they all want it but can't afford it
AcceptanceGG@reddit
Eh the technology has grown a lot and became a lot cheaper. A single ac for a room is like 400 euros if I remember correctly (the one u put in an a window). If you can afford that in France, get a job.
TudorG22@reddit
jobs in France are very low paying
BaconDragon69@reddit
Yeah kids come into out schools with mirrors and magnifying glasses and mow down each other by the dozen. It really is worse than gun violence….
DependentRow8281@reddit
We need to bring in age brackets. How does age 18 - 30 compare for example?
KnownAsAnother@reddit
I'll totally believe a gun safety statistic from a Xitter account that has Ammunition in its name.
swampbanger@reddit
he makes great ammo
CorruptedFlame@reddit
Simple answer: no
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
According to the WHO, 175,000 Europeans died due to heat in 2024.
https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/01-08-2024-statement--heat-claims-more-than-175-000-lives-annually-in-the-who-european-region--with-numbers-set-to-soar
It might actually be true.
bfg9kdude@reddit
I fail to see how heatstroke is the opposite of owning an AC
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
If you find the source which has accurately tracked the number of European death certificates which list 'not having AC' on them, then I will happily make a correction.
Until then, the article lists 4 guidelines on how to avoid heat stroke, and none of them are 'turn on your AC. People don't have AC here. Several days of persistent heat and people die, particularly old people.
It's not a particularly difficult connection.
bfg9kdude@reddit
People here also aren't confined in their homes 24/7, deaths from heatstroke don't happen just like that, people go outside, enjoy the nature, work in the field. A good part of europe is rural.
Besides, Europe does have ACs in office buildings, hospitals, production halls, etc. Houses don't generally need an AC due to the way they're built. It's more common for an european to install an AC for heat rather than cooling off as it's becoming a viable alternative to central heating systems. You can literally shut the blinds and the room temperature will not go over 28 degrees.
NCD_Lardum_AS@reddit
That's WHO Europe, which is the pink here
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
I'm aware. It accounts for about 700 million people. About twice the US population.
For comparison the US has about 2-3000 yearly deaths due to heat.
AcceptanceGG@reddit
Yeah but u guys don’t account for the homeless that die of heat.
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
Homeless people also get death certificates. I'm sure some percentage were already accounted for.
Plus, you'd need about 70.000 unaccounted for dead homeless people to be dying due to the heat every year to make things proportional. I'd like to see that statistic.
NCD_Lardum_AS@reddit
No it accounts for over 900 million people. Including the entirety of Russia, the Caucasus and Turkey.
Studies that only include actual Europe[1] see much much lower numbers.
And again, the MASSIVE discrepancy is not just because Europe lacks AC.
NegativeMammoth2137@reddit
Does anyone have the data for European countries only excluding Turkey, Russia, Kazachstan, Mongolia etc
BobDylansBasterdSon@reddit
Russia isn't Europe.
schimmlie@reddit
WHO/EUROPE still counts them, so the 175,000 deaths are for 944mil people, not the 740mil of continental Europe
NCD_Lardum_AS@reddit
Okay? When talking about the WHO they are.
josHi_iZ_qLt@reddit
We arent used to this kind of heat. We are used to hot days but not to very hot days for prolonged times. We are used to thick walls which usually insulate quite well against heat and cold. This made ACs not really necessary as the houses could cool down in the nights or on colder days.
Nobody buys an AC if you only use it 5-15 days a year. And that has been the number of days where we really suffered since i can remember. But in the recent years the heat has changed.
Longer heat periods warm those houses up and have greater effect on the humans. Especially the elders who dont hydrate well enough. You can go some days with not enough water without issues but when your health is already not great and you are dehydrated for multiple days, it really hurts the body.
Hospitals, Care homes, most public buildings have been built without ACs because it simply wasnt really needed back then. Add to that all the homeless people and all the old people at home.
MyR3dditAcc0unt@reddit
You're wasting your fingers by typing this, ameridumbs dont care.
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
I know. I live here too.
John-Sex@reddit
I believe the numbers, but not all of the deaths being related to AC, that is, 175k dead inside their homes. Even sunbathed apartment blocks have relatively thick and insulated walls, so that it'd be difficult to cook alive in your home (even if it's uncomfortable).
What's true, is that these past few years have had insane heat spikes in Europe, but I don't think America has been hit as hard (I spent a summer in Indiana and it was a breeze outside comparatively). So Europe has lots of deaths, between having a disproportionately older population and being disproportionately hotter. I've seen a dutch guy post a screenshot of 35 degrees heat.
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
35°C is 95°F. Many parts of the United States are particularly hotter than that, to the point where in many places it would not be considered 'screenshot-worthy'. The US and Europe, as a whole, have similar average yearly temperatures, but the US has more extreme weather.
Also, as I posted in another comment, only around 2-3000 Americans died due to the heat in 2023, and that was a record year.
It's difficult to account for it being 25 times more likely to die from heat stroke in Europe than in the US without heavily attributing that to the lack of air conditioning.
John-Sex@reddit
Swamp Germans don't live in arizona mate. It's north Europe, which is notably colder than southern Europe. That's an anomalous temperature, even if it's completely unremarkable for mexico. I'm sure you remember the screams of agony of Texans when it was chillier than usual (but "just regular winter temperature" for the dutch)
MechaWASP@reddit
Yeah and deaths were under 1000, they're about as unprepared for ice and snow as can be imagined.
DrProfSrRyan@reddit
When I said 'many places' I meant it. Maine recorded 43°C last year.
Like I said in my previous comment, I'm not taking exclusively about the traditionally 'hot' US states whatsoever.
MechaWASP@reddit
We had about two weeks of 90+ Fahrenheit and 80%+ humidity. A few days in there over 95.
Even northern US states get worse than Europe. But my house was still 68.
Hearasongofuranus@reddit
I mean they would have died anyway at some point...
TrieMond@reddit
Yeah cus till American companies started turbocharging climate change it would not go above 25 degrees in many northern European countries, Last week the Netherlands hit 38...
ImmortalMemeLord@reddit
AC is crazy fuckin expensive, just buy a fan for $20 at Walmart
Etuber4@reddit
The only parts of eu without ac are where heat isn't a problem.
imagine-SimpQueen-@reddit
Y'all dying from lack of AC? I'm doing quite well over here in Ireland with a guaranteed <25°C each day
Exxeleration@reddit
Teto spotted
Marik-X-Bakura@reddit
More like Tayto
imagine-SimpQueen-@reddit
The teto territory spreads
Waswat@reddit
It's just really old people dying, you know, the ones that die early in the US because of obesity?
Metalligod666@reddit
I said this in 2020 and everyone loses their mind /s
Dadaman3000@reddit
nice one
Shim_Slady72@reddit
Anyone can die to gun deaths, the only people dying to heat are the on deaths door anyway 99% of the time
JackC747@reddit
Bro it's hitting 26 in dublin this weekend. I'll see you at the Barge 😎
imagine-SimpQueen-@reddit
Over here in limerick we've got a nice breeze :D
Ltakhan@reddit
In my country, living in the city without an AC is almost a death sentence in summer
hisae1421@reddit
Fuck AC, it's because of your AC that we now need our own AC. It's a cause of climate change, not a solution
CorbinNZ@reddit
Why don’t europoors just buy AC? It’s not cheap, sure, but it’s fucking worth it. Are they stupid?
Natakito@reddit
Open window from 22h00 to 8h00, rest of the day close europeans shutters (not americans one that don't block anything). Now it's 25°C (77°F) in the house. Great temperature to be in the house and chill in shorts
ondrasek569@reddit
Imagine thinking heat deaths are solved by buying an AC and not by, idk, wearing a hat and maintaining a proper drinking regime. Looks like all the salt from Anon's KFC and McDonalds orders got to his brain and completely drained it of any intelligence.
YoruShika@reddit
Why the fuck would I invest in an AC for barely 10 days a year of actual heat, that I still find easily manageable since my house is made of stone and not made of cardboard
RealViktorius@reddit
An A/C doesn't fix climate change and heat waves. Historically, they weren't necessary in the vast majority of europe, and still aren't in the 3 other seasons that aren't summer. Also there are other reasons for the slow adoption of A/C's. For one, houses are wsy better isolated from outside factors like temperature, so the rooms heat up less, basically every house has jalousie infornt the windows that you can roll down, which stop the sun from baking you, and everyone without and A/C has a Ventilator that he can pull out when needed.
Americans like think we live without A/C to prove a point which is not true at all, it just wasn't necessary for thousands of years, and only climate change gave them a proper use in the summer. And even then, most people have different ways to deal with the heat in the house.
Also the vast majority of heat induced deaths are not inside a building, but outside. Construction workers suffer heavily for example. In those cases, an A/C at home wouldn't have prevented anything.
Also, to put into perspective how much hotter climate change made summers, here in the balkans, around 10 years ago, typical summer temperatures hovered around 30 degrees, with the hotter places being around 32-33 degrees. Nowadays we experience 50 degrees a few times a year, with 40 degrees becoming the new standard. And the biggest problem with the heat is honestly not the heat itself, but the air. You feel like you suffocate.
Extension-Beyond5869@reddit
Ah yes, the best take:
“Gun violence doesn’t matter when you’re dying from overheating because of global warming”
One is a crime statistic, one is a measure of every death that occurred during a heat wave regardless of if there were clearly other factors at work.
Arcanu@reddit
I live in Berlin, we had over 30°C (hot) and it was very nice room temperature inside. Well isulated appartment building + not opening windows + curtains = nice room temperature.
Leo_Quent@reddit
This thread is putting my AC Unit into an existential crisis.
bambabimbo@reddit
I don't get this. I live in the poorer half of the EU, yet we have AC everywhere. It's not that expensive
acart005@reddit
Jeez I'd rather get shot at least that can be a painless death. The hell Euros
Key_Dish_good@reddit
Just do it
acart005@reddit
I have AC
NotMorganSlavewoman@reddit
And again: people that die of a heat stroke in Europe do it outside their houses, you know, on the street, where there's no AC.
Also 35ºC in arid places is not the same as 35ºC in humid places.
L_Onesto_Steve@reddit
And they are all really old people having heat strokes because their generation don't drink enough water and aren't used to these new heat waves. There's no emergency about people dying of heat, just fragile old people
Asagaru@reddit
Well at least i can go to school without the fear of being killed.
TerribleDance8488@reddit
Laughs in Spain
RhodesGraveyarde@reddit
That's correct, homeless people (those who die bc heat waves) doesn't have AC. The rest do lmao
Deathisfatal@reddit
Ah yes the classic "Europe is just France, Netherlands, Germany and the UK" mindset. Go anywhere south of the Alps in Europe and you'll find pretty much everyone has an AC because that's where it actually gets really hot.
Dave1307@reddit
>Fenix Ammunition
>unbiased opinions about death by anything but guns
pick one and only one
Mars_Aeternum_@reddit
Here we have houses built with rocks, so the walls are very thick.
You dont need A/C when it's 22-24°C indoor. We only need small fans.
MrDagoth@reddit
It's cold most of the time here in Poland, why would want to pay for and maintain a piece of technology which made me sick multiple times in my life?
Besides, it's only old people dying during heatwaves, some of them have to go anyway. I barely sweat anyway so I don't give a fuck.
Deckard2022@reddit
A study by Fenix ammunition?
AideyC@reddit
Surely the peoppe dying from the heat are the vulnerable and old? But in the US kids are being shot?
2polew@reddit
Why would you add to global warming? Just stay hydrated, stay inside, go swimming.
ironworkz@reddit
We have, if we want to. We just don't need it as much as many US States.
And lets be honest. no one dies here due to the lack of AC. That is bullshit.
Trash_Emperor@reddit
It's not a money thing; even countries considered poorer like Morocco generally have AC even in cheap hostels.
It's due to planet-heating and population-aging ; heat-related death have increased by as much as 40% in many regions compared to 10-20 years ago. Since Europeans are used to not heating up everything other than their house using AC because it wasn't really needed, the recent decades of increasingly extreme heat waves are causing death among... That's right; the old fucks who contributed to prepping the planet for such heat waves. Since this is a largely unnoticed statistic in daily life, most people don't yet see the urgency of getting AC.
Though expecting Americans to think deeper about statistics is like expecting them to protect school children from gun violence; they simply can't.
aczkasow@reddit
No_Might6041@reddit
We don't need AC because our houses are built with heat isolation in mind and can ventilate at night. It's a constant 20°C in my home all the way through summer.
Americans are just brainwashed to believe that their cardboard suburb caves are the only type of house there is. They're telling us "You don't have coal reserves along railroad tracks?? How backwards!" while we switched to Diesel locomotives long ago.
denkiwi17@reddit
r/ShitAmericansSay
colouredcyan@reddit
>8.5x More likely to die of lack of air conditioning in Europe than being killed with gun in the US
>This message is brought to you by Fenix Ammunition
Hmm...
Negatrev@reddit
Combining the stats of all of Europe (and using the EU population to make the start worse) makes the stats insane.
NZS-BXN@reddit
Im convinced the entire US is just a pit of brainless monkeys scratching each others back. And this comment section proves it
clippervictor@reddit
I live in Spain which is probably the hottest country in Europe and yeah, not even half of the households have AC. It’s just nuts to me with summers with temperatures soaring well past 35C
thewisepuppet@reddit
Yeah i am Sorry if i did not needed that until now.
Also your country Is being rat fucked by bilionares. But ohhh you have ac
EuGaguejei@reddit
I'm not american but like, if it gets too hot just buy an aircon???
treehuggerino@reddit
Most of the deaths are frail boomers who will not listen to advice
MechanicSad1843@reddit
romanian here
_Cosmo0@reddit
Bc yanks using ac didn’t contribute to the problem in the first place
WhiteBlackPanda7@reddit
how do you die to the sun
msredMCromance@reddit
Heat stroke
msredMCromance@reddit
We in Italy have ac the only people dying are old people who do not have ac
ZeInsaneErke@reddit
I have nothing to say in our defense, this one is actually just stupid. Air conditioning is exceedingly rarebin both Germany and France, idk about other countries in Europe
mVargic@reddit
Majority of europeans can afford AC they just feel they don't need it for the few weeks per year when temperature goes up to uncomfortable levels. Still has a higher life expectancy than the US.
TudorG22@reddit
french people can't
UselessINFPScum@reddit
Getting downvoted for telling the truth Macron would simply not let us afford anything
Warm-Iron-1222@reddit
Why are Europeans such fucking wimps about 80ish degrees farenheit weather? Yeah, they don't have A/C but neither do a lot of countries that the weather is hotter. For example India. Millions of people sweat their balls off their entire lives without going online and crying about it every year.
UselessINFPScum@reddit
"EuroPOOR" "Just BUY an AC" Most intelligent American ahh analysis
PopeofFries@reddit
This is how we cull the weak
Brambleshoes@reddit
All right but how many Americans die every year from excessive heat/no AC?
BirbsAreSoCute@reddit
1,700
As opposed to the EU's 175,000
SmoothPimp85@reddit
Given the American approach to statistics, 99% of the US population dies because it was God's will.
_eksde@reddit
Someone still doesn’t understand the concept of excess deadliness.
i_sell_branches@reddit
Who are the ppl dying from heat? I'm baking in the sun working with metal and the most discomfort I get is a dry throat
Atlas_Unknown@reddit
Don't know if anyone mentioned this, but I'm stuck in hospital and I'm not going through all the comments. I have family in England, they'd buy air conditioning but they never needed it before apparently and I lived there 2 years and don't remember being that hot. They also said there is no where to buy air con. Which seems like bullshit to me, I figure they could import from Spain. In short I'm pretty suspicious that they can get air conditioners.
displayboi@reddit
Aparently Europe its just Germany, France and UK...
Here in the south, where it has always been hotter, most people do have air conditioning. It is impossible to walk through any city and not see most facades covered with air conditioning units.
Of course on the north you are not going to see as many because its only recently that they started getting unbearably hot too (which is also your fault, ameritards)
WraithiusKallari@reddit
I mean, I don't know how true it is, but I just visited Belgium (Bruges, Brussels, and Ghent), France (Paris), and the Netherlands (Kerkrade) for a choral festival. Belgium and France felt fine in terms of heat (felt really good actually) but HOLY SHIT Kerkrade was hot as BALLS. Dude I could've sworn I was about to suffer three heat strokes. Unreal.
Povstnk@reddit
is this actually a thing? I live in eastern europe and everyone here has ACs
SteveImNot@reddit
What’s a lack of AC death though? Like I’d count heat stroke deaths, but are they counting people with cancer who have their symptoms exacerbated by the heat? And like what’s America’s number of “overheating” deaths compared to Europe by the same metric? I do believe more people overheat than are shot, but this headline could mean a million different things
blueracey@reddit
So I’m Canadian so I can’t speak for Europeans but where I live in Canada no one has air conditioning.
It’s winter 8 months of the year we don’t need it for the one week of the year it manages to get over 25 degrees.
YeetMcYeetson1@reddit
Dawg where tf do you live. Every home that I've ever been to had ac.
blueracey@reddit
I’m northern Albertan
Don’t get me wrong some people have AC in their house.
YeetMcYeetson1@reddit
Ive lived in Alberta and Ontario. And I don't recall being in a home that didn't have ac
PomegranateHot9916@reddit
okay but lets have a look at the details that are left out
in america your children are at risk of gun death while at school, you are at risk of gun death walking or driving down the street if there is also a cop and a black man on the same street.
in europe your 80 year old grandma is at risk of heat death while at home
Reading_username@reddit
Well for all the schooling, driving, and walking that is done in America (more driving than walking)... the numbers still show less gun deaths than Euro-grannies dying from heat related causes.
So it's not the point you think it is.
HeyLuke@reddit
The point is that it's only a greater risk of heat death when you're really old. Lots of these people would probably die relatively soon anyway. If you'd quantify this as "years of life taken by guns in US vs years of life taken by heat in EU", it'd be a different story.
PomegranateHot9916@reddit
this guy gets it.
also old people dying of heatdeath is often because they just forget to drink water or don't notice they're overheating.
I mean nothing stops a pensioner from just soaking in a cold bath with a smoothie.
but being old is hard, they need help.
Neon_Camouflage@reddit
Yes, moving the goalpost to a really specific metric does tend to do that.
234RK@reddit
The average life expectancy in the US is at least 4 years lower compared to germany. So burgers must be dying from something as well.
MechaWASP@reddit
Europeans cheat on life expectancy. They don't include babies with early life conditions, and kill them in the womb much more often, rather than try to save them all and treat them as human in statistics.
US life expectancy is extremely close to Europe if you ignore Infant death statistics. (Because, again, Europeans cheat.)
mVargic@reddit
Abortion rates: 14.4 per 1000 women per year in the US, 10 per 1000 per year in Hungary, 7 per million per year, 7 per 1000 in Spain and Netherlands, 6.5 per 1000 per year in Czechia and Finland, 5.4 per 1000 per year in Germany, 5.1 per 1000 per year in Switzerland, 4.9 per 1000 per year in Italy, 1.3 per 1000 per year in Austria. Only european countries higher than the US are France and UK.
BobDylansBasterdSon@reddit
Any source for that? And life expectancy is measured from birth, so it doesn't sound like cheating
MechaWASP@reddit
No. I don't care about Reddit enough to hunt down sources, to be blunt.
Iirc, if you are interesting, reporting standards are different. They terminate more often for defects, and of those born, early deaths from defects often aren't counted.
Now, the US is STILL worse for infant mortality, even with that accounted for, but it brings life expectancy much more in line.
Obviously, take that with a grain of salt and ignore me completely if you feel like it, but it's infant mortality reporting that's different, if anyone is curious about looking into it.
BobDylansBasterdSon@reddit
"Europe" also includes Russia apparently, which has bad healthcare.
ThatShadyJack@reddit
Grasping at straws when gun deaths are certainly more preventable
Filibut@reddit
I wonder what the percentages are. how many kids die in cars, how many old people die because they refuse to stay inside their houses during heatwaves, how many homeless people don't have a shelter
The_Freshmaker@reddit
I literally just got back from spending a few weeks in France, can confirm that not a single fucking place I went beyond stores had AC. The houses are definitely built differently and didn't need it as much but staying on the top floor I had a few pretty miserable nights. Had an overnight layover in Frankfurt on the way back and was like 'well at least I'll get some good AC that night'. Lol, nope, not even the hotels have AC. Still worth it though, would take a window unit and a bit of culture any over like 90% of America any day.
Lonely_Eggplant_4990@reddit
We just hang out in the Aldi to cool off
lllGrapeApelll@reddit
Go to Europe, die of heat exposure.
Go to America, die from gunshot.
Go to Canada, don't die from either.
therealwavingsnail@reddit
Heatwaves are way less obnoxious if you're sitting in a building with solid walls that normalize the temperatures between night and day. Concrete, thick brick walls, stone, you know, the kind of stuff European houses are made of
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
Yeah and it's just Americans being shot, who cares about them?
russian_octopus@reddit
Imagine not having a fan or AC when it’s hot lol. It’s almost as if there’s a heatwave that kills people every year? Common Europoor L
mVargic@reddit
https://climate-adapt.eea.europa.eu/en/observatory/news-archive-observatory/heat-caused-over-47-000-deaths-in-europe-in-2023
47000 deaths in 2023 (of the entire european region including european Russia), compared to 47,000 US deaths from gun violence the same year.
Magnus_Helgisson@reddit
Ah, yes, the twitter. Famous for taking statements out of someone’s ass and presenting them as facts.
National_Passage4317@reddit
Chad sun: “shit, lemmie take care of that for you.”
*Proceeds to incinerate earth’s eurotrash
What a good friend.
univrsll@reddit
European slander? In a dog shit website that hates Americans?
My fucking people have called 🫡
LankyEvening7548@reddit
Eurodivergents seething on this one .
305StonehillDeadbody@reddit
Only westerners don't have AC and that's good.
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
god, being european is honestly shameful, and I have AC, and a big car.
I fucking hate all those other ones though.
Hajydit@reddit
Lol, I have AC in exactly one room. It's enough, it helps in socializing. And if heat gets me, I can call an ambulance.
Immediate-River-874@reddit
@grok is this true?
OrangeFortune@reddit
Ah gee I wonder why a company that sells weapons would be pumping out misinfo posts about how guns aren't actually all that dangerous
1967542950@reddit
You’re asking if a gun-supporting statistic posted by someone with Ammunition in their name might be skewing the narrative in their favor?
Hanza-Malz@reddit
I smoked so much legal weed that I started hallucinating the AC unit that I got
thr33beggars@reddit
Okay, but counting the gas chambers as “lack of air conditioning” is somewhat disingenuous and skews the numbers.