Israeli soldier describes arbitrary killing of civilians in Gaza | The Israeli reservist said 'it's like the Wild West'
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Unable_Duck9588@reddit
We knew all of this and people still attempt to gaslight us into thinking that the IDF can do no wrong and only kills hamas when we know that wasn’t the case.
We know the IDF and a large number of Israelis don’t see palestinians as human beings, they tell us to our face every day and when we speak against it, we are accused of being antisemites or hamas sympathisers.
I am tired of this, I am tired of the lies and all the western governments that not only perpetuate these lies, but actively work to drown out anything related to the truth as well.
It’s a genocide. Right here, right now, and we’re all watching it.
Active-Market-5875@reddit
The population literally goes up. There's statistics about it. Per definition, a genocide should be the opposite FYI.
WayOutbackBoy@reddit
They get off on shoving the word genocide in Jew’s faces after their ideological ancestors slaughtered 6 million of them not even 100 years ago
IlluminatedPickle@reddit
Bro, the Nazis would love Israel. They wanted to dump Europes Jews in the Middle East themselves.
RICO_the_GOP@reddit
The father of palestinian nationalism was an actual fucking nazi and is responsible for actual ethnic cleansing against jews before israel even existed. And not "zionists" I meam jews that had lived in the mandate for decades and centuries before zionism was conceived.
Active-Market-5875@reddit
It's full of spite in the face of history. The same ones who spread this misinformation in the first place, were the ones yelling for an Intifada.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
Nobody buys what you are selling genocide denier.
Go away.
Active-Market-5875@reddit
Again answering with spiteful language. You know that you are rotten.
MuteTitan77@reddit
The word 'genocide' is antisemitic now? Bit of a reach.
your_red_triangle@reddit
What's your excuse for Israeli professors that themselves call it a genocide? are they being Anti-semitic too?
redelastic@reddit
No, we ask Israel to stop committing genocide.
There are plenty of decent, moral Jewish people who do not commit genocide elsewhere.
WayOutbackBoy@reddit
First genocide in history to result in the population increasing. The only genocide that took place was of Hamas military commanders which I understand you are distraught over
Ala117@reddit
I get it, you'll only believes it's a genocide once done successfully.
your_red_triangle@reddit
1) genocide isn't defined by the number of deaths.
2) zero evidence of the population going up.
shit Hasbara, try again with some real facts. provide sources if you're going to make such claims
Active-Market-5875@reddit
Literally a Google search away from getting both of these answers from trusted sources. shit TikTok educated people, trying again with half truths and misinformation.
BurstYourBubbles@reddit
What's with the Israeli apologist mentioning TikTok every time someone criticises Israel? If you think people think like because of TikTok then you're in a bubble
Interesting that you mention it's a search away on Google, yet the first few articles from trusted, mainstream sources disprove your claim.
[Gaza population 'growth' projections predate recent Israel-Palestine war | AAP](https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/gaza-population-growth-projections-predate-recent-israel-palestine-war/]
(Gaza’s population is falling, while Israel’s growth is slowing| CNN)[https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/01/middleeast/israel-population-migration-war-intl]
(Gaza population falls 6 percent since start of war, statistics agency says| Al Jazeera)[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/1/gaza-population-falls-6-percent-since-start-of-war-statistics-agency-says]
Newbarbarian13@reddit
Source or piss off and ask your handler for one.
your_red_triangle@reddit
stop projecting, and provide your sources.
MuteTitan77@reddit
You still haven't posted your source for the population going up.
redelastic@reddit
More hasbara? Busy shift today. Take a break and eat some food you pretend is Israeli.
monocasa@reddit
The population in Gaza has been going down since the start of the war.
Scoobydewdoo@reddit
It's more complicated than what you describe. Not to make excuses for the IDF but Israeli's get drafted when they turn 18 and 17 years ago Palestinians democratically voted Hamas into their government. So Hamas has been waging war on them through the Palestinian people for basically the entire lives of most of the soldiers currently in the IDF. I think you might be a little trigger happy to if your neighbors launched military grade rockets at you for 15 years while you were forced to just sit there and take it.
Plus Palestinians are an ultra conservative people who value hurting Israel over their own well being. A civilian can turn into a soldier instantly just by picking up the weapon of a fallen soldier. And not to mention that Hamas has no qualms about disguising themselves as civilians and even using civilians as human shields and their deaths as PR opportunities.
In many ways this is really a case of elections have consequences and why shouldn't poke the bear. Israeli soldiers definitely need to control their bloodlust but I can't entirely blame them either.
Oh and out of respect for the actual genocides that have happened in the past please stop calling this conflict a genocide, it's very much not a genocide.
photochadsupremacist@reddit
Aww, these poor little baby genociders :(
And Gaza has been illegally occupied for 68 years and under siege for 18.
When did they "sit there and take it"?
Every few years, Israel used to go in and "mow the lawn", which is a particularly disgusting euphemism for killing Palestinians to let them know who's boss.
They have been routinely killing Palestinians for all of Israel's existence. One of Hamas' co-founders was radicalised when Israel executed his uncle in Gaza in the 50s.
Genuinely the least racist zionist. Amazing that you typed that and didn't think there's a problem with it.
When Israeli civilians fought back on October 7th, they were "brave heroes" but when Palestinian civilians fight back against their occupiers, they're instantly villainised and people think they deserve to die.
More disgusting rhetoric about how Hamas makes Israel kill Palestinians for PR.
What are the consequences for Israel colonising Palestine? Or are consequences reserved for the weak only?
You'd think killing 20k children would satiate their "bloodlust" but apparently not.
Out of respect for actual human beings, shut up.
RICO_the_GOP@reddit
Palestinians were killing jews before israel existed.
your_red_triangle@reddit
the rest of your comment is Gish gallop.
"painful to admit it but despite all that, and despite allour efforts to think otherwise, after six months of brutal war we can no longer avoid this conclusion. Jewish history will henceforth be stained with themark of Cain for the"most horrible of crimes," which cannot be erased from its forehead. As such, this is the way it will be viewed in history's judgment for generations to come. Yes, it is genocide - Prof. Amos Goldberg (Holocaust and genocide researcher) at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem
Amos Goldberg - Israeli Professor of Holocaust Studies, Hebrew University of Jerusalem (statement is in Hebrew)
Omer Bartov - Israeli Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies
Raz Segal - Israeli Professor of Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies
Avi Steinberg - Israeli author renounces Israeli citizenship over "Genocidal Campaign" against Palestinians
40 holocaust survivors
10 more holocaust survivors
we'll take the experts word on this subject, Vs your rubbish Hasbara nonsense
redelastic@reddit
Makes lots of excuses for genocide.
interpol-interpol@reddit
shame on you
Clean-Ad-6642@reddit
And there it is
RICO_the_GOP@reddit
You do realize this article is evidence against genocide right? Random soldiers killing civilians at random without oversight is the exact opposite of genocide. They should all rot in prison for it sure, but that doesn't mean it's genocide.
Financial-Chicken843@reddit
@ r/worldnews lol
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
Worldnews is just a sham. It’s very clear how bad it is.
I also got banned from r/news because last year they would delete all threads relating to palestine after a few hours.
Don’t know if it’s still the case.
yashen14@reddit
I got banned from worldnews for asking a rhetorical question in protest of the situation in Gaza. I've heard loads of people report getting banned for even less.
PetalumaPegleg@reddit
I got banned for saying "can we not all at least agree that the innocent children should not be targeted?"
hazza-sj@reddit
What do you expect, posting such extreme views?
PetalumaPegleg@reddit
I know right, my own fault.
OriginalUsername1892@reddit
This is a screenshot of a reply I received on r/worldnews to the comment "'killing kids is bad' is literally unassailable"
Teknekratos@reddit
I bet it's along the lines of "we had to kill 'em before they grow up to kill us", like I have been unironically been told when commenting there... let's see...
...and here it is.
Tasgall@reddit
Ah yes the absence of guns in their dead hands is actually proof that they were armed and Hamas himself personally collected them all before the pics were taken.
These people are insane.
PetalumaPegleg@reddit
Horrific
yashen14@reddit
The children are Hamas /s
OriginalUsername1892@reddit
That is literally what they are saying, yes
ElonsFetalAlcoholSyn@reddit
I got banned for posting this Pew Research article:
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/06/03/most-people-across-24-surveyed-countries-have-negative-views-of-israel-and-netanyahu/
Thangoman@reddit
I got banned for talking about how the US also needs to takw blame for its catbon footprint unstead of just complaining about China
Financial-Chicken843@reddit
Also r/combatfootage is buncha pro idf glazing simps.
They keep deleting the video of the IDF airstriking the middle of a buncha cars on a busy intersection.
Whilst they keep glazing other idf clips.
Fuck em
OriginalUsername1892@reddit
Yep, I got banned for pointing out that the Jerusalem Post wasn't a reliable source for IDF actions.
rattleandhum@reddit
Ghislaine Maxwell's reddit account used to be a /r/worldnews mod... make of that what you wish.
MountainTurkey@reddit
WTF
StarWarsMonopoly@reddit
For what it's worth, I don't think its confirmed, I think its just a rumor that the account was hers based on some circumstantial evidence
redelastic@reddit
As we know, she has absolutely no connections to Mossad through her dead dad:
dova_kinn@reddit
it still is, got a ban on my alt a/c from there on shooting about the same aid site shootings , the link was taken down in 2 mins.
Mediocre-Frosting-77@reddit
Yeah, I got banned from r/news for the same thing. It’s embarrassing for them, and problematic for democracy.
DanDan1993@reddit
I got banned from news for asking how come an article about a firefight between Hamas and IDF totally ignored it being in a school which Hamas used.
The issue is you can totally fall on a bad day for a certain mod and you're banned from half of reddit for something far more tame than nonsense reddit has.
Mo4d93@reddit
Always playing the victim.
DanDan1993@reddit
??
was the guy i commented to played the victim too?
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
I got banned from r/news for simply posting about Israel banning UNRWA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/s/6wDtXv0szY
UnreliablePotato@reddit
I was banned for sharing sources from international experts who support the claim that what was happening in Gaza constituted genocide. If it were objectively possible to refute those claims, banning me would not have been necessary; in fact, it would have been counterproductive to their narrative.
Financial-Chicken843@reddit
Loook, im not gonna go into the official definition of genocide and its various interpretations. Theres buncha academics and legal experts who can go on about that stuff.
The IDF itself and its members may not be an explicitly genocidal organisations and israelis may just be brainwashed and blooodthirsty, like you can debate these things all you want and go around in circles but the bottom line is this.
Thousands of Palestinians are getting killed and Gaza is literally a wasteland.
There is also a huge far right part of the israeli government and society and even if the goal of the war isn’t “genocide” and its very much “destroy hAmAs” it’s very much policy and action that moves the pendulum in that direction of genocide and ethnic cleansing.
And then we have Trump talking about “resettling” Palestinians from Gaza and building a resort and bibi nodding with a gleeful smirk, yeh it all screams genocide/ethnic cleansing and probably makes the israeli far right zionist very happy.
Its all dog-whistling and coded. The zionist and idf simps can claim its “self defence” and “nOt GenOciDe” and they might be right on some kind of semantic ground but there is no denying people who actually want to solve the problem of the Palestinians aka. The far right in Israel are very, very happy about whats happening in gaza right now.
Darkwhippet@reddit
Could you share again or drop me a message? I'd be interested in seeing that but have only seen something about a report in a Dutch newspaper I think?
UnreliablePotato@reddit
Sure, I think it's worth looking into sources of authority and insight to determine whether what is taking place qualifies as genocide according to the legal definition in Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention. Remember, this is a legal issue and not merely a political claim but an assessment shared by a wide range of leading academics and experts in international law and genocide studies.
Among them is Martin Shaw, Research Professor of International Relations at the Institut Barcelona d'Estudis Internacionals and Emeritus Professor at the University of Sussex, who wrote the book What is Genocide.
Melanie O’Brien, President of the International Association of Genocide Scholars, shares the same assessment. So does Dirk Moses, Editor-in-Chief of the renowned Journal of Genocide Research.
Dr. Iva Vukušić, Assistant Professor of International History and former prosecutor in the Srebrenica genocide case, points to the same indicators.
William Schabas, a Canadian expert in international criminal and human rights law, who previously defended Myanmar in the case concerning the genocide of the Rohingya, is now convinced that genocide is occurring in Gaza.
Several prominent Israeli scholars also share this assessment. These include Professor Omar Bartov, one of the world’s leading Holocaust and genocide researchers, and Dr. Amos Goldberg, Professor of Holocaust History at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Additionally, Daniel Blatman and Dr. Schmuel Lederman, both Israeli experts in genocide and political theory with numerous publications, concur.
This assessment is not only shared by academics but also by leading human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. Several legal clinics at prestigious American universities — including Boston University, Cornell, and Yale — have also documented and supported this view.
UN bodies and experts confirm the same picture. This includes the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry, the UN Special Committee investigating Israeli practices, as well as several special rapporteurs, including Francesca Albanese, an international jurist and academic and senior advisor on migration and forced displacement at the independent organization Arab Renaissance for Democracy and Development.
beansthemajicalfruit@reddit
No sources?
Darkwhippet@reddit
Thanks
redelastic@reddit
Great comment, very useful information.
your_red_triangle@reddit
I got banned in r/unitedkingdom for posting the following comment:
Well let's take a look at what experts on genocide say? People who have spent their whole life studying and knowing the signs of a genocide. Some of whom are Israeli themselves.
"painful to admit it but despite all that, and despite allour efforts to think otherwise, after six months of brutal war we can no longer avoid this conclusion. Jewish history will henceforth be stained with themark of Cain for the"most horrible of crimes," which cannot be erased from its forehead. As such, this is the way it will be viewed in history's judgment for generations to come. Yes, it is genocide - Prof. Amos Goldberg (Holocaust and genocide researcher) at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem
Amos Goldberg - Israeli Professor of Holocaust Studies, Hebrew University of Jerusalem (statement is in Hebrew)
Omer Bartov - Israeli Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies
Raz Segal - Israeli Professor of Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies
Avi Steinberg - Israeli author renounces Israeli citizenship over "Genocidal Campaign" against Palestinians
40 holocaust survivors
10 more holocaust survivors
Phenergan_boy@reddit
I got a temporary 30 days ban on this sub for calling out genocide deniers on this sub. Any form of dissident on this issue is absolutely not tolerated
Scoobydewdoo@reddit
Well in your case it was because you were spreading misinformation. This page outlines the UN's definition of 'Genocide'. It's so broad that one person murdering a person from another group for the money in their wallet could be construed as genocide. So in this particular conflict both sides could be said to be committing genocide on each other. Which makes any mention of one side committing genocide but not the other misinformation.
Or you could go with the conventional definition of 'genocide':
By this definition only the Palestinians/Muslim Terror groups like Hamas/Iran are motivated by genocide but haven't killed nearly enough Israelis (based on historical examples of genocides) to be labelled as committing genocide just yet.
your_red_triangle@reddit
accusing others of spreading misinformation while you try to spread misinformation.
People who have spent their whole life studying and knowing the signs of a genocide, say it's genocide. Some of whom are Israeli themselves. for example Professor Amos Goldberg.
"painful to admit it but despite all that, and despite allour efforts to think otherwise, after six months of brutal war we can no longer avoid this conclusion. Jewish history will henceforth be stained with themark of Cain for the"most horrible of crimes," which cannot be erased from its forehead. As such, this is the way it will be viewed in history's judgment for generations to come. Yes, it is genocide - Prof. Amos Goldberg (Holocaust and genocide researcher) at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem
Amos Goldberg - Israeli Professor of Holocaust Studies, Hebrew University of Jerusalem (statement is in Hebrew)
redelastic@reddit
Bad faith.
UnreliablePotato@reddit
No, as a lawyer, I was sharing opinions from legal experts on genocide. These were objectively their views, arguments, and claims about why the atrocities in Gaza could be considered genocide. This is not the same as stating genocide as a fact, but rather presenting an argument from qualified sources and creating an opportunity to address and refute those arguments.
It is not true that the legal definition of genocide is so broad that one person killing another just for their wallet counts as genocide. In fact, it is exactly the opposite. It is very difficult to fulfill the legal definition of genocide. This high threshold is intentional, as genocide is considered one of the most serious and specific crimes under international law.
Additionally, you are missing a key element in your definition: genocidal intent. This specific mental element, or mens rea, is required to classify an act as genocide under international law. There is no minimum number of victims specified in the legal definition.
Scientific_Socialist@reddit
The person you’re replying to is not arguing in good faith. Take a look at their comment history, they’re a genocide apologist.
UnreliablePotato@reddit
Aye, accusing me of spreading misinformation while he himself spreads it or, at best, shows a poor understanding of the topic.
staladine@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/ABPKfBSamG
I see the comments criticizing Israel. Looks like a shift happening there, too bad it was after I got banned lol
rattleandhum@reddit
You gott apost when Mossad and the CIA are asleep, which is when the Australians are online.
Phenergan_boy@reddit
Social media manipulation around the Palestinian genocide has been crazy. You literally see accounts that do nothing but argue about the definition of genocide and ethnic cleansing all day, and they still don’t get banned for astro turfing
Arrow156@reddit
You see the same when it comes to the Ukraine War. Constant posting in subreddits exclusive to the conflict, zero side interests, and always with the 'word, underscore, unrelated word, underscore, 3 or 4 digit number' usernames. They barely even try to hide it, it's easier to just delete the account and move on to the next one.
REKTGET3162@reddit
Nah happens from time to time either when the bots or shills didnt see the article or a white person dies. If its the first you will still see the usual shit in the latter half. If its the latter they just give up on the thread since you know people don't have an attention span.
Sacaron_R3@reddit
That happens from time to time, but usually after a few hours /worldnews will shift back to "genocide is awesome!"
Last time I had a look, they were rooting for a continuation of the Azeri-Armernian slaughter, cause it would keep Russia busy.
JetFuel12@reddit
The article was posted and appears to have already been deleted.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
I got banned there two or three days ago for "trolling". Guess what country I was criticizing?
modianoyyo@reddit
a genocide with the support of the united states and germany, let's not forget.
these two countries should be considered international pariahs, same as russia on account of their invasion.
Scoobydewdoo@reddit
And on the other side you have Iran funding and training groups like Hamas and Hezbollah meaning most countries view this conflict as a proxy war rather than a genocide.
BurstYourBubbles@reddit
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
That’s pathetic. Having Iran on one side means it can’t be a genocide?
modianoyyo@reddit
nobody asked for the thoughts or musings of a yank who lives in nowhere, idaho.
like israelis, you also come from a long and distinguished line of baby killers, pedophiles, panty-sniffers and war criminals.
EugeneStonersDIMagic@reddit
Sounds like might just still makes right.
upsawkward@reddit
Not just those two. ONLY Spain and ireland are willing to sanction Israel.
GreedyCook8754@reddit
you won't find this on worldnews or any front page of reddit. Literally undisputed proof FROM THEIR OWN MOUTH that they're committing unspeakable heinous atrocities and people on this site and in the west are like "eh"
Private_HughMan@reddit
Right now, the goto defences seem to be "they're all lying" or "it's just a few bad apples and Israel is investigating it."
Basically the same defences used for cops, except for genocide.
Working_Apartment_38@reddit
In many cases, supporting it against our will through taxes
DonutUpset5717@reddit
You don't have to pay taxes, funding a genocide isn't ok.
ribald_jester@reddit
Meanwhile Netanyahoo is visiting the USA. He should be arrested the moment his foot touches international soil - for war crimes and genocide. But he won't be.
meister2983@reddit
USA isn't an ICC member
omar2205@reddit
His plane crossed multiple countries that are a member
meister2983@reddit
Forcing the plane to land is well outside the scope of ICC member expectations.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Remember when a plane assumed to be carrying Julian Assange was forced down? Assange hadn’t committed any crimes in Europe (or in fact anywhere) and wasn’t wanted by anyone other than the US. He certainly wasn’t a war criminal.
meister2983@reddit
I assume you mean Snowden, not Assange?
First off note it wasn't per se "forced down" - it was denied airspace entry and had to land.
And this was highly controversial, requiring strong American pressure. It again is not an expectation on ICC members.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Sorry, you’re right, it was a rumour put out by Assange that Snowden was on the flight. Note the double standards. European countries could have done the same thing to Netanyahu but didn’t.
War crimes are a serious charge. If it was any other third world leader they would be The Hague by now.
meister2983@reddit
Like Myanmar's leaders? Or members of Sudan's government?
Oh wait, that never happened. Guess what, the ICC cannot arrest people if their state doesn't co-operate.
Zorboids@reddit
It really isn't and theyve done it before.
meister2983@reddit
What case?
redelastic@reddit
These kill zones were reported on months ago, and of course many Western media outlets ignored it. There was no outrage. Not the sort of outrage a punk band gets. The genocide simply continued.
What a dark, depraved world Israel and the US have created.
AWildNome@reddit
To be fair wartime stories are always to be taken with a grain of salt when there's a lack of independent confirmation. It just so happens that in this particular war, just about everything the Palestinians have accused the IDF of doing, the IDF has admitted to eventually in one way or another. Sadly even with mainstream news coverage no one will do anything about it.
jrgkgb@reddit
The article doesn’t describe arbitrary killings.
He literally said they shot people who entered a no go zone. That is what “no go zone” means.
With a group that uses suicide bombs and other guerrilla tactics I’m not sure how one determines from a distance who constitutes a threat.
HockeyHocki@reddit
A group that straps suicide bombs to children no less.
And in a country with madatory service big surprise you end up with a small cohort of aggrieved soldiers that had no place being near a warzone in the first place
rattleandhum@reddit
A shame on your nation, "Ireland". But I don't believe that flair for a second.
Morgn_Ladimore@reddit
There is zero chance they are Irish. Ireland is one of the most vocal nations when it comes to condemning Israel. The country is overwhelmingly pro-Palestine.
IDF propagandists just pick flags at random as their flair. This one probably thought it was funny to pick the flag of a country that hates them.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
He isn’t Irish.
Just another ziobot.
Unable_Research_2025@reddit
Amazing things coming from the turks
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
And yet, we’re not the ones murdering children every day.
Go Figure.
Unable_Research_2025@reddit
I doubt you've changed that much since the Armenian genocide (which you still deny). Therefore, I don't believe that you're more moral, you just haven't gotten the opportunity to prove yourself since you don't have an enemy close to you.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
I don’t deny any genocides, nice try and generalization and racism though.
Unable_Research_2025@reddit
Racism card in 2025 is crazy. Anyways, if the vast majority of your population denies genocide vehemently then I doubt you would have any problems killing children in war.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
Again, generalizing people into one monolith is racism.
Also, this is my view, you trying to discount what I say by pointing out I am Turkish is irrelevant and does not take away from the fact that the user I was responding to is a well known Israeli astroturfer by his own admission.
Be a better person, stop generalizing and also try to stay on topic.
Unable_Research_2025@reddit
Do you think that if I pulled up statistics, a significant percentage of turks think that the Armenian genocide happened? If your answer to this is no, do you think that such people would care about the rules of war? It kind of shows that both you and the Israelis have a very sick society, just that one is shining through during war and yours is festering in the background of peace.
I objected to your use of the word "ziobot," seeing as "zio" is an originally nazi-used slur.
Is he an "astroturfer" or is he just israeli? Don't you think that calling someone that just because they're from a certain country would also be racism by your own standards?
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
Again, I don’t deny any genocides and never claimed to be speaking for anyone else. You are the one claiming I can’t object to a genocide because of my nationality (this is the prejudiced part, or racist as it’s also commonly referred to). But i would remind you that you are also claiming something my country ‘might’ do, while they aren’t doing it… so again, generalization and prejudiced nonsense.
As for zio being a slur, nobody buys that shit anymore, everything is an antisemitic slur these days and everyone not supporting this genocide is a nazi according to the zionazis.
I’d also like to point out that zionists aren’t just ‘Jews’, plenty of Jews aren’t zionist, plenty of non jews are zionist due to their prophetic beliefs, so again, nothing to do with Nazis.
Be better, stop defending a genocide, makes what you say worthless.
Unable_Research_2025@reddit
Do you think he's an 'astroturfer' just because of his nationality? According to you, that's racist. Also I'm not joking when I say that zio is literally a slur created by the NSDAP- go ahead though, it just makes your point about anti-turkish racism even more laughable.
Your kidding with that "not all jews are zionist" shit. Obviously not, but since 50% of jews live in Israel and probably 80% of the others advocate for its existence, its a bit easy for people to use 'zionist' as a dogwhistle for 'jew'. If you disagree, think about why the far-right (Nick fuentes, tucker carlson) have now become such staunch advocates for palestine. Its not a out them growing a heart all of a sudden, is it?
And yes, I do think that if 90% of your country denies a genocide, it makes it pretty funny to accuse anybody of defending one. Log in your eye and all that.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
He is well known in this sub for victim blaming and dehumanizing palestinians in every news article, even ones from Israeli sources and undeniable acts of murder. Go through his history, it’s very apparant.
Coming back to the Turkish part, again, you’re talking prejudiced nonsense and generalizing. I’ve explained to you why and how you are being racist, you don’t care so I don’t care about what you have to say either.
Go nuts, be racist, it’s hardly unique to reddit, you’ll Fit right in.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
Damn, found a way to excuse murder again.
Back to your barracks pvt, nobody believes your shit anymore.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Is it really any wonder you have zero fucking clue when you live in an echo chamber
slothcat@reddit
Sounds like you're projecting. Morally bankrupt piece of shit, continue justifying and denying genocide you piece of shit excuse for a human.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
🤫
rattleandhum@reddit
ah, I knew sooner of later some of you defenders of the IDF would scuttle out from under the trash.
mattyandco@reddit
The article is describing arbitrary killings in that the no go zones they're referring to are arbitrarily set often with the local population not knowing. Walk though an area in the morning, fine and dandy. Walk though that same area in the evening, shot dead without warning.
And the fact that if people are shot or not seems entirely up to the commander at the moment not some set standard. Arbitrary: "Based on individual discretion or judgment; not based on any objective distinction, perhaps even made at random."
Deciding that an area is a kill zone does not alleviate a military from the rules of law. The killing of civilians without cause is a war crime and a one sided arbitrary and variable no go area which they don't inform the civilians about does not grant cause.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
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rattleandhum@reddit
Missing the usual genocide apologists here, they're always absent when the sources of these sorts of articles are Israeli soldiers themselves, no way to spin the narrative. At least when it's aid workers, doctors, journalists, genocide scholars, human rights lawyers and academics, they can dismiss it.
2dudesinapod@reddit
Yeah I haven’t seen the usual suspects since that Haaretz article admitting IDF was shooting aid seekers a couple of weeks ago.
captain_zavec@reddit
They're around, for the Haaretz article and the similar BBC one and I think another one with an American mercenary they were all over the threads complaining that the sources were all anonymous.
Scientific_Socialist@reddit
There’s one below you
Lufsol66@reddit
Fine just because I found your tone annoying, I will bite.
What Genocide? If you read the article a soldier describes that ROE were loose and dependant on a commander. The same soldier describes that a person was shot when an engagement line was crossed, another person arrested after. Orders were to shoot anyone that crosses the line. How is that genocide exactly during war? Try coming to some military base and let's see if your head will be blown off or not. Some sporadic deaths in an active military zone is genocide to you? Sure buddy. Complete nonsense and trying to spin an article that is a nothing burger.
Now let's look at the whole war. Population of Gaza: 2.1 million people. Dead from the war according to Hamas, 60k people. Let's pretend everyone thst died was a civilian and not a member of Hamas. 2.8% of the population dead in almost 2 years of active war. The thing is accusations of genocide were already rampart even before the war, when the population was rapidly increasing each year. Call me Shirley, but that's the worst "Genocide" in history of humanity. If Israel manages to keep the war going, it will take them only a century or so to enact it. If not... well they will need to invent a time machine, because the population will only be lower in the past.
Want to look how a real genocide happens? 6 million Jews died in 4 years, 60% of the total world population. That's genocide. What happens in Gaza is called a war. Do innocent people die? Yes, but shit happens. Maybe overthrow the terrorists that commit constant attrocities so you can live in peace. But happily cheering on October 7th is just so much more inline with anti semites.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
I think the below genocide is the one they are referring to. And if you do not in fact agree that this is a genocide, please know that many organizations and experts disagree with you. There is genocidal intent by many in Israel, including many high profille officials, regardless of whether you think Israel has murdered enough innocent Palestinians to constitute genocide.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide
Lufsol66@reddit
As much experts as want can disagree with me. The same amount agrees with me. Some "Special Commitee" or Amnesty which is just a NGO has no mandate to determine what is genocide or not. I could argue all day with you about useless terms as "destruction of civilian infrastructure". At the end of the day, such experts have no bearing on reality.
However if you want to play this game.... So when Hamas shoots unguided rockets into Israel (which is also a war crime by itself) and damages civilian infrastructure... are they commiting genocide? Answer that. It seems they do going by your quote. Or we have a double standard? Hamas also shown genocidal intent by vowing to destroy Israel. Will you denounce them?
photochadsupremacist@reddit
I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem listing them then.
Lufsol66@reddit
Sure. South Africa tried to sneak in a case pertaining to Israel and genocide to IOC. USA, UK, France, Germany, Italy opposed. Actually, just USA is enough to oppose. These are actual countries with actual expertise. Not some joke agenda pushing NGO.
MuteTitan77@reddit
Those aren't experts, those are countries. Of which many experts in those countries are calling it a genocide. And of course the government's of those countries don't want to call it a genocide. They are arming and funding it.
Lufsol66@reddit
Countries are the authority on matters, not single experts living in those countries. Experts expressing opinion, while having literally zero access to relevant documents and people is absurd. For example during Nuremberg trials ten of thousands of documents and people were processed by lawmakers with actual access and only then determinations and judgements were made. I am sorry I don't take seriously some agenda pushing pencil pushers. Cool insinuations on your part, but doesn't change the fact that they oppose.
MuteTitan77@reddit
South Africa, Spain and Ireland are calling it a genocide. Guess that makes them an authority on the matter, using your logic.
Lot of assumptions.
In other words you only support those who say what you want to hear.
Lufsol66@reddit
>South Africa, Spain and Ireland are calling it a genocide. Guess that makes them an authority on the matter, using your logic.
Being a country. Now imagine that in international law, being one country is not enough to decide anything. Something something consensus. Oh, wait we don't have it.
>Lot of assumptions. How do you think experts reached those opinions?
By talking and virtue signaling. I really doubt they have access to internal Israeli classified documents to which only a court could get access to at this point. Or some kind of massive leak.
>In other words you only support those who say what you want to hear.
Yes I do. I do not listen to terrorist propaganda pushers. Hamas has a really good network for that and "useful idiot" tale is as old as time.
When a mandated court which would require a majority country consensus decides that Israel indeed does genocide based on real evidence, we can talk. Until that your opinion or opinion of some "experts" does not matter. When Nuremberg trials were concluded, it was obvious who did what and no one could deny anything.
MuteTitan77@reddit
So we moved from countries being "experts" to now we don't have consensus. Really had to move the goalpost. At least we can dismiss your foolish argument from earlier.
Those experts are recognising patterns of genocide, the dehumanising language Israeli soldiers and politicians use, the war crimes committed. Talking about it and noticing how they resemble other genocides is not just "virtue signaling". Also, we don't need "classified documents" from Israel. The actions and words of their politicians and soldiers are pretty clear.
Cool, keep in mind that includes your opinion too.
Lufsol66@reddit
>So we moved from countries being "experts" to now "we don't have consensus." Really had to move the goalpost. At least we can dismiss your foolish argument from earlier.
No, we haven't moved anything. Even to a child it was obvious that no one talked about one country here. Let's not make strawmans here. The argument still stands as countries are the authority on matters, not experts.
>Those experts are recognising patterns of genocide, the dehumanising language Israeli soldiers and politicians use, the war crimes committed. Talking about it and noticing how they resemble other genocides is not just "virtue signaling". Also, we don't need "classified documents" from Israel. The actions and words of their politicians and soldiers are pretty clear.
Recognizing patters. Oh no the pattern, where did it touch you? This has no legal basis for anything, that's again opinions. Dehumanizing language, war crimes, what does it have to do with an actual genocide? Again nothing. You are grasping at straws here. Yes the actions are pretty clear, 2 years of war in a highly urbanized warfare and only 50k dead, Israel should get a Noble's Peace prize for keeping that rate so low.
>Cool, keep in mind that includes your opinion too.
It doesn't. The burden of proof falls on the accusers, not defenders. If a random passerby accuses me of murder, I don't need to start searching for proof that I didn't do it. So until the are proof for genocide, again I don't really care about words.
photochadsupremacist@reddit
I hope you don't mean the International Olympic Committee
Countries complicit in the genocide have no say in whether it's a genocide.
They aren't, they all made political assessments.
Genocide scholars have actual expertise, and there is an overwhelming consensus among them (including Israeli genocide scholars) that it is a genocide.
meister2983@reddit
They generally aren't using the current legal tests the ICJ is. Even Amnesty international had to argue against precedent to argue Israel is committing a genocide.
I simply don't see strong evidence of intent the ICJ demands. Israel simply isn't making a dent in the number of Gazans. The Bosnian Serbs were way more aggressive than the Israelis and only one particular incident (mass extermination of 30% of males in a given region) qualified
photochadsupremacist@reddit
If your argument is that intent can't be sufficiently proven, you've already lost the debate.
Extermination isn't particularly better than genocide.
Anyways, the legal definition of genocide was carefully crafted so that many of the genocides committed by the countries defining genocide wouldn't qualify.
The man who coined the term, Raphael Lemkin, said this:
It would be impossible to claim Gaza doesn't qualify under this definition.
This doesn't mean that it can't be proven under the legal definition, it definitely can and will be in the ICJ. Intent can be inferred from actions and Israel's actions have been very clearly genocidal, that's what the genocide scholars are arguing.
meister2983@reddit
Why? You think it's obvious that Gazans will starve to death or something in a few years? Can't bear children as sterialized?
Lemkin's definition seems quite consistent with the legal definition.
photochadsupremacist@reddit
"The foundation of life" doesn't just refer to food, water and having children.
Every aspect of life in Gaza has been destroyed systematically and without a clear military goal.
Contractors are being paid to raze as many buildings as they can, Universities and hospitals have been intentionally blown up not because they were used by Hamas, but because they were used by the IDF. Schools are being destroyed, farmland, homes, bakeries, mosques,...
meister2983@reddit
All buildings can be used by an urban warfare insurgency. This looks like a brutal anti-insurgency campaign as used by countless countries in history.
Sure, structures are destroyed and that's bad for the people. But I don't see why this implies the population cannot continue to exist.
photochadsupremacist@reddit
"The foundation of life" doesn't just refer to food, water and having children.
Every aspect of life in Gaza has been destroyed systematically and without a clear military goal.
Contractors are being paid to raze as many buildings as they can, Universities and hospitals have been intentionally blown up not because they were used by Hamas, but because they were used by the IDF. Schools are being destroyed, farmland, homes, bakeries, mosques,...
Lufsol66@reddit
Well your opinion on this matter is irrelevant. That's not how the world works.
This is not a democracy where selective majority decides what is true. The court decides what is true, based on law. And until there is a court with the mandate to do so, all these claims are irrelevent even if they are true. Which they certainly aren't, clear to anyone with some unbiased grain on brain matter. Nothing else to discuss here until such a time.
your_red_triangle@reddit
lol they asked for experts. not some Gish gallop.
seeing as your to scared to actually link the experts. Let's take a look at what experts on genocide actually say? People who have spent their whole life studying and knowing the signs of a genocide. Some of whom are Israeli themselves.
"painful to admit it but despite all that, and despite allour efforts to think otherwise, after six months of brutal war we can no longer avoid this conclusion. Jewish history will henceforth be stained with themark of Cain for the"most horrible of crimes," which cannot be erased from its forehead. As such, this is the way it will be viewed in history's judgment for generations to come. Yes, it is genocide - Prof. Amos Goldberg (Holocaust and genocide researcher) at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem
Amos Goldberg - Israeli Professor of Holocaust Studies, Hebrew University of Jerusalem (statement is in Hebrew)
Omer Bartov - Israeli Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies
Raz Segal - Israeli Professor of Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies
Avi Steinberg - Israeli author renounces Israeli citizenship over "Genocidal Campaign" against Palestinians
40 holocaust survivors
10 more holocaust survivors
so what's your Hasbara defection going to be?
Lufsol66@reddit
>lol they asked for experts. not some Gish gallop.
Funny how you appeared and started mass commenting on my comments. Somehow in a few minutes you prepared a whole list of "sources". Seems somebody is indeed Gish galopping and somebody is a professional anti Israeli grifter. Looking at your history, that's the only topic you are interested in. Bootlicking Hamas, hard huh? Okay let's play.
>seeing as your to scared to actually link the experts. Let's take a look at what experts on genocide actually say? People who have spent their whole life studying and knowing the signs of a genocide. Some of whom are Israeli themselves.
Of your list the only Israeli in an actual Israeli university is Amos Goldberg. Others are just Americans or living in America. Good job finding one dissenting voice. Do you want me to applaud you? You could find a hundred, it doesn't change anything. Nazi Germany had thousands of experts that agreed with state regime, it doesn't make it true or right. At the same time, "experts" talking anything is irrelevant. What kind of documents he presented? What kind of proof? He and those other people just rambled their opinions.
When actual genocide happened, like the Holocaust. The special Nuremberg court was in session. Tens of thousands of documents were presented, facts were made and verdicts were carried out. That's how the law works. Until a time that such a court is created and judgement is passed, all this talk about genocide is nonsense.
Just to reiterate. Opinion of anyone, experts, NGOs, courts that have no mandate and no real evidence is irrelevant. When you show me documents were generals tasked soldiers to carry out methodical elimination of civilians, then we can talk. The crime of genocide needs to prove intent and it's very hard to prove. However with 2.8% of death rate in 2 years, it's obviously impossible, so I won't hold my breath.
your_red_triangle@reddit
Israeli professors that are experts in genocide and holocaust disagree with you.
rattleandhum@reddit
Ah, I forgot you were an expert genocide scholar! By all means, we'll defer to your font of wisdom!
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
If the intent of Hamas is or was to erase Jews from the region, then yes, I think that would or should be considered genocidal actions.
Not every Palestinian supports Hamas' actions, and not every Israeli supports the actions of the Israeli government. Yet these genocidal actions hurt and murder civilians. And often the intent seems to be based on or justified by extremist religious ideas. How you think God many favour you or your group while you are dehumanizing or murdering the innocent is beyond me.
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."
– Leviticus 19:33-34
Lufsol66@reddit
Well it was in their charter, they removed it later of course as it was a bad PR. Doesn't change the fact that the intent never changed.
You have some misconceptions here. I neither support Hamas actions or Israel actions. However these genocidal claims are completely absurd and at best an opinion. If you think one side is comitting genocide, then by the same definitions both are doing that. At that point it's their bussiness. I am also an atheist I don't care for religion so that angle doesn't work on me.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
I do not think leaving two groups up to their own as they try to commit genocide against each other is just or in the best interests of anyone. There is unspeakable suffering by many. Not to mention the second-hand suffering caused to others due to the side-effects of warfare.
And they are not doing this on their own. The US and and many others are arming or are otherwise complicit with Israel's genocidal actions.
redelastic@reddit
Well, someone doesn't understand the definition of genocide.
Ironic, given that you support one.
Lufsol66@reddit
That was done to show the absurdity of the claim. At any rate the world is not run on arbitrary definitions and opinions. It's run by the justice system and law. Until a court with sufficient mandate( which does not exist yet) passes a verdict, you can clown with your "gotcha" moments as much as you want to.
I also think you have some kind of reading comprehension problem as I did in no way given any kind of support here.
redelastic@reddit
Oh, you poor lad. There is a genocide case currently being heard by the International Court of Justice, the highest court in the world that does indeed make verdicts on genocide.
I don't think I do.
No, it is run on legal definitions and past legal precedent in the case of genocide.
I think you need to read the legal definition of genocide, as per the UN Genocide Convention, 1948.
Here's a fact sheet:
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide%20Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf
Lufsol66@reddit
I know all about IOC. That's why I specifically mentioned thst such courts doesn't exist at the moment. IOC has no mandate, sorry. USA does not recognize it.
Reread again then.
Yes legal definitions. Used by a sufficient court. When Nazi Germany was defeated, Nuremberg trials showed what was done.
redelastic@reddit
IOC? The International Olympic Committee?
Maybe you mean the ICC, the International Criminal Court. The ICC has issued war crimes arrest warrants for Israel's leaders.
It is true - Israel and the US are not members - shame on them.
However, Palestine is a member of the ICC and therefore any war crimes that take place in Palestine can be prosecuted accordingly.
Kind of amusing the level of American exceptionalism you have - as if war crimes don't exist if the US doesn't choose to believe in them.
You seem confused. The legal definition of genocide was instituted in 1948 in response to the horrors of the Holocaust. Oh sorry, we're all supposed to be antisemites, I forgot.
The ICJ uses that same legal definition of genocide.
Again, here's that fact sheet, I would implore you to read it before saying anything on this topic ever again.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide%20Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf
Lufsol66@reddit
Palestine is not a country in the first place, USA does not recognize it. Even if it was, Gaza is another matter alltogether. It's a terrorist breakaway region run by a terrorist organization. The point is moot.
No, for war crimes to exist there needs to be a court that decides that. Such a court would need quite a strong multinational support and sorry, but without USA it doesn't work in any way.
Yes it was based on Holocaust as a legal precedent. The same legal precedent showed what kind of evidence needs to be shown. Oops, I think that last sentence was you talking with yourself maybe? Never mind.
I am not sure what you are trying to tell with this whole ICJ ruling? They never stated that Israel is comitting Genocide neither they are comptetent to make such a ruling.
What should I see there exactly? That intent neeeds to be proven and it never was?
redelastic@reddit
I won't be engaging further as you don't know the legal definition of genocide or anything about the legal process surrounding it.
By all means, continue to support your genocide.
Lufsol66@reddit
I don't know the definition? Do you? For it to be a genocide, you need to prove intent to commit it and it's very hard. Were is the proof? Can I look at it? I'll wait.
Actually no. I don't need to. Because if the intent of Israel was genocide, the casualty rate would not be 2.8% in 2 years. It would be orders of magnitude larger. Israel makes extreme precautions to limit bombing casualties to a minimum. That's all the proof anyone would need to see that these claims are a joke. Until you show me a paper where Netanyahu orders to kill as many Gazans as possible, any of your arguments are irrelevant.
your_red_triangle@reddit
there's countless quotes from Israeli officials that state their intent. It's not hard to prove when they're saying it themselves.
"Every child in Gaza is the enemy. We need to occupy Gaza and settle it, and not a single Gazan child will be left there. There is no other victory.”" - Moshe Feiglin
all the territories of the Gaza Strip will be under Israel's control" - Prime Minister (terrorist, wanted criminal) Netanyahu
Residents of Gaza are the biggest Nazis. They are our enemy. Not Hamas. We shouldn’t be making this distinction” - Israeli Officer Major. Yaniv Golan
"We are fighting human animals and will act accordingly." - Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant
"the entire Gaza Strip should be emptied and levelled flat, just like in Auschwitz. Let it become a museum, showcasing the capabilities of the State of Israel" - David Azoulay, the head of the local council
“You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.” - Netanyahu (terrorist, wanted criminal)
the quote in question refers to this: “‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
We would be here all day if wanted every quote. The ICJ case has 100s of pages of quotes which show clear intent
here's a quote you like:
"Israel is killing babies as a hobby" - Yair Golan, retired IDF deputy chief..
why would Yair say such a thing? is he being antisemitic? he was accused of "blood liable" for say this by the terrorist Netanyahu.
so how much proof you're going to deny?
Lufsol66@reddit
>there's countless quotes from Israeli officials that state their intent. It's not hard to prove when they're saying it themselves.
Politicians can talk all they want. Fringe people with no power making speeches is not related to the military and actual actions. Let's play your quote game as well and I will take your word that they are real and not misquoted.
>"Every child in Gaza is the enemy. We need to occupy Gaza and settle it, and not a single Gazan child will be left there. There is no other victory.”" - Moshe Feiglin
Not a great quote. However he isn't relevant for 10 years already and just uses flaming words to garner support which he has little.
>all the territories of the Gaza Strip will be under Israel's control" - Prime Minister (terrorist, wanted criminal) Netanyahu
Yes? Where is genocide here exactly? Control of territories is not genocide of the population.
>Residents of Gaza are the biggest Nazis. They are our enemy. Not Hamas. We shouldn’t be making this distinction” - Israeli Officer Major. Yaniv Golan
Opinion of a low ranking officer. Strong opinion, but again nothing to do with genocide.
>"We are fighting human animals and will act accordingly." - Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant
Not a great quote as well. Insinuations, but again nothing to do with genocide, just lack of respect for the enemy. Understandable after October 7th.
>"the entire Gaza Strip should be emptied and levelled flat, just like in Auschwitz. Let it become a museum, showcasing the capabilities of the State of Israel" - David Azoulay, the head of the local council
Targeted destruction of civilian infrastructure is indeed a marker for genocide. That being said it's a local politician, who is irrelevant and if wiki is correct died in 2018. So...no.
>“You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.” - Netanyahu (terrorist, wanted criminal)
Not sure what this references, but I don't see anything bad at first glance.
Yeah that's grasping at straws... even in his quote he says to remember. At any rate that would not go in any court for intent. Could be wrong, but lol.
>We would be here all day if you wanted to see every quote. The ICJ case has 100s of pages of quotes which show clear intent
I haven't seen a single good one, from anyone relevant. At any rate some random quotes are faaar beyond what is needed to prove intent in a court.
>why would Yair say such a thing? is he being antisemitic? he was accused of "blood liable" for saying this by the terrorist Netanyahu.
Edgy. I don't know. Ask him. A lot of people talk a lot of shit all the time. Look at Trump. At any rate even this quote has nothing to do with genocide or intent to do genocide.
>so how much proof are you're going to deny?
When you show me actual proof. You know documents/audio calls ordering systematic killings. I am sure with so many dissenters in Israel, somebody would leak something if it was true. Again you can't be serious and claim genocide with that little casualties, this is just a simple war like any other. The equivalent of holocaust in 2 years was 3 million, not 50 thousand. And again this number is total deaths, both Israeli and Palestinian. Subtract the Hamas and it will be much lower.
your_red_triangle@reddit
lol these people are literally government officials, officers and the people in charge of the military.
you are wrong, it's genocide. Enough said. we'll trust the experts over your nonsense.
you wrote all that and still failed to push a valid point.
Lufsol66@reddit
>lol these people are literally government officials, officers and the people in charge of the military.
Ex politicians that aren't in power, some local politician, low ranking officer, even a dead person making quotes that have nothing to do with genocide is not really the proof you claim to have. At any rate quotes are not proof by themselves as well even if they somehow alluded to genocide, which most of them didn't in any way. They just shown disrespect to the Palestinians in general.
>you are wrong, it's genocide. Enough said. we'll trust the experts over your nonsense.
I was talking about that quote, not in general. I am not wrong, because no mandated court decided so. You are fully pushing your opinion that has no merit in international law. You can scream, you can be angry, you can repeat your genocide claim. It's empty air.
MuteTitan77@reddit
Yeah, I'm sure the words and policies of people that used to be in places of power can't have a lasting effect on what's happening today.
Lufsol66@reddit
You are gonna need to expand which specific policies you have in mind. Have examples?
MuteTitan77@reddit
Blockading Gaza, kicking people out of their homes in the West Bank, arming settlers etc.
Lufsol66@reddit
Blockades are not illegal, neither such a policy could be done in advance in 2018.
Kicking people out of their homes? The examples that I have seen usually have a legal basis for them. Not paying rent or etc.
Arming settlers. What? Is Israel supplying them with tanks or planes or something? Because simple guns are not some exotic good in middle east. You go an apply for a permit.
MuteTitan77@reddit
You asked for policies, I gave. If you want to be obtuse that's up to you.
your_red_triangle@reddit
again the I trust experts, you continue to trust your Hasbara guide book. It doesn't change the facts, you support genocide and are making excuses for genocidal terrorists.
Inner-Bread@reddit
So in the end your argument is that it’s okay to establish a kill zone splitting a country in half (after telling everyone to go to the southern half remember aka walking through your killbox) and then shoot children walking around their homes (not established military bases literal occupied housing) because the US refuses to join any attempt at an international court? Just the USA though only their opinion matters… guess that also means the US can defacto never commit war crimes…
valentc@reddit
Ok, sure. Then why are you so quick to call Hamas genocidal when the courts haven't found them guilty yet either?
You won't call out Israeli war crimes and genocide, but you'll immediately call what Hamas did a genocide.
Oh, that's right, you have an agenda and don't actually care about the facts or humanity.
Lufsol66@reddit
I said if you want to play such game of no courts required, then both are comitting genocide by definitions. In my opinion neither is and until mandated courts rule otherwise it will stay so.
Oh right. The humanity. Cue the picture of Hinderburg exploding. Get lost with your emotional manipulation, use it on someone that cares.
ycnz@reddit
Israel like to pretend that Srebenica wasn't genocide.
redelastic@reddit
They seem to be good at denying everyone else's genocide.
your_red_triangle@reddit
shit Hasbara, try again
Lufsol66@reddit
Yawn. At least be original.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
If you act like a hasbara bot, you get treated like one.
Nobody buys your shit anymore Ziobot.
rattleandhum@reddit
Stop, you can only get me so hard
Also, all the rest of your dirty, tired tropes regarding the slaughter of innocents will not wash with me. It's baffling to me how someone like yourself, with your post history, be such a mess of contradictions. No leftist would support this war, least of all an athiest, communist. Are you a bot?
And while we're at it, maybe learn some of the history of Palestine, the British Mandate and what happened to create the state of Israel, from the Lehi and Stern gang, the King David Hotel bombing and the fact that only a single signature on the declaration of independence of Israel was actually born in the Palestinian mandate. You seem woefully ignorant of everything that happened to create the state, and at the expense of the Palestinian people, the native people of the land -- some of whom (3% in 1900) were Jews who did not believe in Zionism.
Lufsol66@reddit
There is probably a Venn diagram between perverts and terrorist supporters lol.
Tropes that you can't rebute obviously as you vent full on personal attacks. Leftist, communist? The hell are you talking about. Also try reading the comment instead of post history, that's just degen behaviour.
I am more or less know about that history. I don't see how history is relevant to this article? How it's relevant to genocide claims? Sorry, but history is not a free pass to do anything. Moreso selective events that fit your narrative. I am seeing a lot of events that you missed, but I guess they are not important.
rattleandhum@reddit
Ah, here they are!
Ala117@reddit
They're busy partying over "khamas defeat" or something.
Level_Hour6480@reddit
Do you condemn hummus!?1!?
Ala117@reddit
You mean condemn it to be in my stomach? yes.
Level_Hour6480@reddit
Do you condemn hams!?1?!1?!
rattleandhum@reddit
hey! that's not kosher OR halaal!
Ala117@reddit
Same thing.
BufferUnderpants@reddit
They’re stabbing photos of dead toddlers in celebration that the IDF is now officially spinning the café bombing of the other day as a strike on Hamas
rattleandhum@reddit
'collateral damage!'
Scoobydewdoo@reddit
Huh? I see plenty of genocide apologists in this thread or are you forgetting "From the River to the Sea" (Hint: Gaza isn't bordered by a river but Israel is).
mattyandco@reddit
I wonder what the etymology of the West Bank region is? You know the other currently occupied region containing a lot of Palestinian people and often talked about as part of a future Palestine state.
AsterKando@reddit
Israelis always hide behind foreign flags, cowards
NetworkLlama@reddit
The Old West was not as violent as people think. That idea comes from the dime novels and the movies that followed them. Life was hard, but it wasn't constant gun battles and bleeding to death. Most people lived out more or less peaceful lives until disease, accidents, or old age got them, or they moved away.
If Gaza was like the Old West, it would be a lot easier for everyone to just live.
Phenergan_boy@reddit
Yeah, the more appropriate comparison would probably be Rwanda lol
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
It may be comparable to the Old West in regards to what happened to the indigenous people.
mujahidean@reddit
Nothing new at this point, everybody knows this is part of the IDF job description, they kill anything that moves. Hardly even counts as an exposé anymore.
Only thing I think I can say is that this doesn't sound like the wild west, it sounds like the east - specifically the eastern front of the second world war.
rattleandhum@reddit
It became apparent the denials about the deliberate killings of innocent people were complete nonsense when they shot the hostages waving the white flag (while shouting in Hebrew). The perfect distillation of everything Israeli right there.
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