Why are regional accents disappearing at unprecedented rates?
Posted by orpheus1980@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 226 comments
Been in US over two decades, working at universities, mostly interacting with undergraduates in New York and New Jersey. With each passing year, I hear less and less of THAT NJ accent from the students. Most of my colleagues 40 and older who grew up in NJ very much have that accent. But younger millennials and Gen Z have a much more neutral accent these days. Very little Staten Island accent or Brooklyn accent too.
And another demographic I've noticed this with is students from the South. 15-20 years ago, most students from the South would have a noticeable drawl. My colleagues 40+ from Georgia or South Carolina sound very Southern, I do declare! But young students, not.
Why?
IHaveALittleNeck@reddit
THAT NJ accent was never the dominant accent in the state. NJ accents come in many forms, most you wouldn’t recognize if you tripped over them.
Organic_Basket7800@reddit
I think people would be surprised how many different regions there are of NJ considering how geographically small it is. When people say someone is from Jersey to me that tells me nothing, the first question I ask is north, south or Central and then narrow it down from there
Wanderingthrough42@reddit
Thank you. I grew up in Central Jersey, and it was always annoying how the north and south just pretend we didn't exist.
Ill_Pressure3893@reddit
To be fair, colony was founded in 1660 and the 908 area code wasn’t introduced until 1991 …
Dmbender@reddit
609 gang reporting in
Organic_Basket7800@reddit
I'm from the Lehigh Valley so you're my neighbors.
meanoldrep@reddit
Totally agree, whenever I meet others from the state outside of it I'll jokingly ask "Pork roll or Taylor Ham". Most of them are from North Jersey and don't get it, but that alone narrows it down for me. Also what they mean by "the city".
NomadLexicon@reddit
I’d say it’s true that the stereotypical NJ accent has always been a North Jersey thing specifically. Though it’s also worth noting how much of the state’s population is concentrated in North Jersey.
soggysocks6123@reddit
Underrated
Riker_Omega_Three@reddit
Social media
kids grow up on screens more than they do in real life...so they hear other accents and pattern their speech after that instead of the people they live near or go to school with
4-Inch-Butthole-Club@reddit
I think it’s mainly due to the fact that we mostly all consume national media at this point. Hard to keep much Texas twang when everything you see on the hours of TV you watch every day has the standard American accent.
sttovetopp@reddit
los angeles, california
kolejack2293@reddit
Regional accents are increasingly seen as signs that someone is uneducated and unsophisticated. Those who have the accent are likely hiding it when around you if you work at a university. I do the same to an extent.
As someone who goes back and forth, I find the accent to be quite a bit more common among youth in the outer boroughs of NYC than in northern NJ or Long Island. My cousin lives in Ridgewood NJ and was shocked to hear my sons and their friends had the accent. She did not know a single young person with the accent in her town.
insert-haha-funny@reddit
At least in Jersey, the accent was always overblown and didn’t exist in half the state. Much of southern NJ had a Philly delco(ish) accent that you heard on certain words
orpheus1980@reddit (OP)
I'm not saying everyone sounds like Tony soprano or Joe pesci but the accent very much is a thing among gen x and older folks North Jersey at least. Those who grew up here. I don't know South Jersey too well.. Makes sense it would be more like Philly.
DifferentWindow1436@reddit
I haven't noticed a change in South Jersey. I only visit now as I moved out of the area years ago. But I do have to explain to my non-American friends that we don't necessarily sound like Tony Soprano or the people from Jersey Shore (most of whom are not from NJ).
Telltale South Jersey words -
thepineapplemen@reddit
How is the word been supposed to sound? It’s not supposed to sound like Ben?
DifferentWindow1436@reddit
There's a range. I now realize it apparently starts with my accent. Ben rhymes with ten and there is no "i" sound or long e at all. On the other end of the spectrum are certain British accents that sound like "bean". A fair bit of people sound a bit more like "bin".
HudsonMelvale2910@reddit
As someone from outside the Philadelphia area without too heavy of an accent, “been” sounds like “bin,” not “Ben”.
thepineapplemen@reddit
Oh. I’ve got the pin-pen merger so been, bin, and Ben all sound the same to me
ColdPlasma@reddit
I don't have a pin-pen merger but been and Ben sound the same to me
GuadDidUs@reddit
Wooder is more straight up Philly than south Jersey. My kids say wah-der and have been in SJ their whole lives.
The big one when I was in college in NJ was the bagel (bay-gull) vs bagel (beg-ul) debates. My North Jersey friends also thought the way I said phone and home was hilarious.
DifferentWindow1436@reddit
I don't know about that. If you were to get in your car in Philly and drive to southern Ocean, that is where I am from. Born and raised and not a lot of outside influence. And there, we say "wooder".
snmnky9490@reddit
Do you say it like f-eh-wn and h-eh-wm instead of f-oh-wn and h-oh-wm?
Hard to describe with text but it makes me laugh a bit when I hear my cousins (spread around the South Jersey/Philly/Delaware area) say those kind of words
devilbunny@reddit
You’re probably hinting at a northeast-vs-south pronunciation difference. My long O vowel is very different from my college friends from NJ or NY. I don’t know about South Jersey having the same vowel as the South - the only South Jersey people I knew had parents from North Jersey, so their accents were influenced by that (and all the BENNYs).
snmnky9490@reddit
Just doing a quick YouTube search, this woman says the vowel sounds I'm thinking of in the beginning when she says "oh she's from you know" https://youtube.com/shorts/8TUW4yOb6Ig?si=zijucrVKCK_2s0FI
devilbunny@reddit
It's not exactly the same, but yes, that's the difference I was trying to get at. More like "eau" than a New Yorker's "Oh."
GuadDidUs@reddit
I kind of describe it as like swallowing the O. Tina Fey manages to exaggerate it well in a few SNL skits (The one about New England vs Philly in colonial times jumps to mind).
snmnky9490@reddit
Lol yeah I think I found the right skit and that's what I was trying to describe
Daniel_JacksonPhD@reddit
Dawn and Don sound the same is another one. I have a hard time being understood in Mi because of quirks like these lol
IHaveALittleNeck@reddit
It’s closer to Philly than NY but it’s its own accent. Even Philly has more than one accent. There is so much going on in Philly linguistically. Lumping it in with all of SJ and Delco tells me you’ve never been to any of these places.
devilbunny@reddit
Eh, it’s one of those distinctions you will instantly spot if you’re local, but that an outsider will need some coaching or experience to spot.
I doubt most people there could tell the difference between Alabama and Mississippi, or Wisconsin and Minnesota, but they are different.
orpheus1980@reddit (OP)
Having an existential crisis after learning I've never been to New York, New Jersey l, or Philadelphia. Need to figure out what I've been doing for the last 20 years.
tiger_guppy@reddit
Come eat a hoagie, you know you want to
Daniel_JacksonPhD@reddit
Who doesn't want a hoagie?
TheJokersChild@reddit
Gen X from west of Rt. 206...no accent here.
soggysocks6123@reddit
I mean I’ve never been to Jersey but that sounds like you agreed with the above poster right? The accent is there but not everywhere on the state.
BlueEyedSpiceJunkie@reddit
Same with the “Pittsburghese” in the west of PA. More likely to be heard in older folks and/or people that didn’t move around a lot.
Bungalow_Man@reddit
As a middle-aged Pittsburgher, I have thought from time to time about how I don't really ever hear a thick Yinzer accent like I used to when I was younger. A lot of those were older folks that grew up before television and have died off. I used to give my grandma crap about "mispronouncing" words when I was a kid, and she really didn't even have much of a Pittsburghese accent at all.
sharpshooter999@reddit
First time I met someone from New Jersey, I was bummed that he sounded just like everyone here in Nebraska.....
insert-haha-funny@reddit
Yeah for a lot of the state the ‘accent’ is rather neutral that you only hear on some words, water is ‘wooder’ being the most common
happyburger25@reddit
TV and radio were the beginning of the downfall of regional accents
tuataraenfield@reddit
I recall reading a study (sorry, no look) about the accent of natives of Martha's Vineyard, which was in decline for years. Then, when people started buying holiday homes there, the accent started to thicken again, including in those who had moved away and then moved back.
Apparently, it was so those from those parts could subconsciously differentiate themselves from the newcomers (who weren't always really welcome) so there was a positive reinforcement to having the accent and 'fitting in', as it were.
My guess would be, perhaps, that accents considered 'undesirable', particularly in the media, are being softened as a way of fitting in with the broader culture?
I know the same happens in France - if you don't have a Parisian accent, you're going to be a novelty on TV, considered a bit of a bumpkin, so people wanting that career quickly soften any traces of locality.
reddock4490@reddit
100%. I’m 35, born and raised in Alabama, and I remember saying out loud when I was only 5 years old that I didn’t want to talk like the people around me because I didn’t want people to think I sounded stupid. It still comes out sometimes in certain words or phrases or when I drink or I’m talking to older family from back home, but mostly I’ve completely lost any obvious accent. Now as an adult, I’m kinda bummed that I don’t have more of an accent
Kellaniax@reddit
Actors get trained to speak a generic American accent so they can get more roles. It’s called General American. A lot of upper class people also try to learn it so they don’t sound unsophisticated. My dad, a Cuban-American, took accent classes so he’d sound like a “regular” American. He tried to get my mom (who grew up poor in Brooklyn) to try to ditch her accent too, but she never did, and now my sisters and me all speak with Brooklyn accents even though we grew up in Florida lol.
That Martha’s Vineyard effect also happens in other vacation spots like the Hamptons. The Hamptons have a much stronger Long Island accent than the rest of the island because the working class like to differentiate themselves from the upper class vacationers.
godisanelectricolive@reddit
I know in the UK they used to train all actors to speak in Received Pronunciation which is why a lot of old working class actors like Patrick Stewart sound very posh. But then trend reversed to favouring regional accents and the media started to represent regional accents a lot more. The old-school Queen's English or King's English is now an endangered species as a result.
A lot of the older rural dialects have dropped off, like old school Yorkshire dialects, but there has actually been a boom in regional accents being used more broadly in real life as a direct result of more representation in the media. Studies have even shown modern regional accents have actually diverged more form Standard British English in recent years, so the reverse can also happen due to media.
In_Formaldehyde_@reddit
The RP accent will exist as long as elite private schools like Eton and Harrow exist to train the next generation of upper middle/upper class Brits. It's just not as widespread across media as it used to be.
tuataraenfield@reddit
No look? I mean no link, but clearly wasn't looking 🤣
In recompense, I did find an article about the study - https://www.mvtimes.com/2011/08/16/50-years-language-study-began-marthas-vineyard-6918/
BathBrilliant2499@reddit
Yeah this is William Labov's first big study. He's like the Michael Jordan combined with the Wayne Gretzky of Sociolinguistics. Died recently.
BabyMaybe15@reddit
Well put. An absolute legend.
FrigginMasshole@reddit
I had a Boston accent but dropped it because every time I’d say “wicked” or not say my Rs everyone would be like “ohhh you did it!” lol. It got really annoying
Key_Bee1544@reddit
I believe that. My Chicago accent gets 95% turned off day-to-day but it comes roaring back when it marks as a non-transplant local or a "regular guy."
Excellent_Squirrel86@reddit
Mine has faded as my older relatives have passed. I hear far less often. But I can pick back up quickly if I'm around the right people.
FooBarBaz23@reddit
I had a Parisian friend who was living in the US for several years. She could not go back to Paris without being looked down on. Her authentic Parisian accent wasn't *current* Parisian, so, y'know, clearly inférieure...
orpheus1980@reddit (OP)
Fascinating tidbit about Martha's vineyard!
mason123z@reddit
Culture has been nationalized
Equivalent-Willow179@reddit
As easy as an answer as this is I don't think it's complete. People were obsessively listening to the radio a century ago. They've been hooked on TV, movies, news, and pop music for much of that time. What's happened more recently is that culture has globalized. But people haven't started sounding like they're from Korea or Japan or the UK.
OutOfTheBunker@reddit
But there was less effort to emulate those heard on the radio. There were stronger regional cultural norms until a few decades ago.
There was no way to see or know what normal people were doing in other parts of the country until Internet 2.0.
Swiftstar2018@reddit
The Transatlantic accent was pretty much directly caused by the rise of radio and tv shows. The accent was used to be heard more clearly over the radio
OutOfTheBunker@reddit
Linguist Geoff Lindsey debunks that myth here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xoDsZFwF-c
Kaenu_Reeves@reddit
But I do think South Koreans and Japanese have started sounding American
NomadLexicon@reddit
It’s a much longer process than people realize—regional accents have progressively weakened over several generations. The accents you remember as a kid were likely less distinctive than the accents of a generation before.
The internet accelerated things, but so was the transition from blue collar manufacturing and agriculture to white collar services. Virtually everyone now sees themselves as middle class and 65% of millennials have completed at least some college, so a majority of people are aspiring to the sorts of fields where presenting as educated / professional is more important, and regional accents tend to be viewed as a sign of blue collar status.
This is a dynamic, but the cultural dominance of the US has meant that more American vocab/slang/pronunciation has flowed to other countries than the reverse. Even the cultural powerhouses like South Korea, the UK and Japan have become more open to US culture through the process of appealing to and interacting with the giant US market. Those countries’ media markets are large but small compared to the US juggernaut. Blackpink’s Lisa learned English with an American accent to act on White Lotus, but I’m not aware of any comparably popular American artists learning Korean.
damutecebu@reddit
People interact with, and consume media from, people from all over the country. Regional accents developed when people rarely did either.
False-Decision630@reddit
You're right on the money. Plus the ability to easily move from state to state has changed the way offspring learn to speak from peer groups. So a local accent gets blended with a home accent.
goodsam2@reddit
Yeah or even just how far people do travel in a day. You can commute miles pretty easily whereas many accents were created where more than 15 miles was a rare occasion.
Particular_Bet_5466@reddit
I’ve read this is still common in England since they have been established so long and developed before travelling long distances, that you can start to find different accents one town over.
muhhuh@reddit
There are regional dialects everywhere in the world from very short distances. I’m in the upper Midwest US, and someone from one county will have different phrasing and accent than someone from two counties over, which would be about an hour drive in most cases.
Two hours north, people sound Canadian.
For example, when someone in my current location (middle of the state) asks a question, they will usually say “or no” after the question. This is literally the only place in the world I’ve heard that.
Then my home county in the west of the state, the pronunciation of the word “bag” is “bayeg”, also “creek,” being pronounced as “crick,” but that is more of an old person thing.
I’m fascinated by regional dialects.
In_Formaldehyde_@reddit
I mean, I've heard people say that in California. It's not that uncommon
Midwesterners seem to do this often. I bet you think you're also the only ones who slap their knees before they get up at a gathering and say "welp, s'pose it's time to head out now"
Particular_Bet_5466@reddit
I grew up in Wisconsin so yeah you are right, but I’ve heard it’s much more drastic in England. People in Milwaukee are more neutral but not that far from the city you start getting stronger accents. Up north it’s even more prominent.
soulless_ape@reddit
You hear the or no at the end of a question in almost every spanish speaking country as "o no" or "no"
muhhuh@reddit
I’ll be damned. I’ll listen for that next time. Thank you.
soulless_ape@reddit
Yeap, I forgot what that is called in different languages. I found this older post about its use. Question tag it says below.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnglishLearning/comments/k526ib/no_at_the_end_of_a_sentence/
brettrknowlton@reddit
Wisconsin?
muhhuh@reddit
Close. I’m in Michigan.
sdcasurf01@reddit
My flair and lack of a single discernible accent agree with you.
ImReallyFuckingHigh@reddit
I’ve noticed a lot of 2nd generation and even some 3rd generation immigrants have the accent of their ‘home’ country even if they’ve been in the US their whole lives. E.g one of my teachers from trade school was is in his late 20s and was born here a year after his parents moved from Ukraine. Dude sounds like he spent the majority of his life in Ukraine, at least as someone who isn’t from that culture and can distinguish those accents better.
Eighth_Eve@reddit
Unprecedented? Most of them were gone years ago. Midwest standard from television had taken over 90% of us 40 years ago.
LeaveOk392@reddit
The youngsters in NJ should feel blessed that they aren't carrying forward that grating, inbred sounding NJ accent. It's the most mouth-breathing accent I've ever come across. Hideous, like nails on a chalk board.
micstatic80@reddit
Nj is better than Rhode Island or Massachusetts
TywinDeVillena@reddit
It is also happening in plenty of other places like Spain, Italy, or France.
Danilo-11@reddit
Not the same, in Northern Spain people speak Basque which I don't understand and in the NE, they speak Catalan which I barely understand. There's nothing like that in the US.
TywinDeVillena@reddit
Ya te digo yo que sí se da el mismo fenómeno de uniformización lingüística, al menos en lo que respecta al castellano que se habla a lo largo y ancho del país. Fíjate que en los últimos años estoy empezando a oír a chavales decir "me renta" aquí en Coruña, cuando esa expresión es típicamente madrileña pero jamás se ha usado en esta zona.
nippleflick1@reddit
Yeah, my background has Italian in it, and if you're from northern Italy you will have a hard time speaking to and understanding Napolitano ( which is a Romance language own its own) and vice versa.
TywinDeVillena@reddit
I lived in Northern Italy for a year, and the only young people I heard speaking "dialects" were from the South (Campania, Calabria, Puglia, etc), whereas the Northern "dialects" like romagnol, emiliano, or lombardo were nowhere to be heard.
However, the Italian they spoke was relatively uniform in the case of Northerners and Southerners.
106002@reddit
But still you can hear strong regional accents, I don't feel like those are fading away
nothingbuthobbies@reddit
They're just starting further apart, but they're on the same trajectory. As much as we talk about accents in English, English is (relatively speaking) a very uniform language throughout most of its sphere of influence. You still hear strong regional accents in languages like Italian because up until fairly recently they were more akin to regional languages, which became dialects, which became accents, which will most likely all blend together in the future.
nippleflick1@reddit
I'm an old guy and that experience was quite a few decades ago, and also long past deceased family members.
CupBeEmpty@reddit
I actually find myself adopting accents from media I watch.
So maybe it’s sort of an averaging out of accents but I think it’s more of a sharing accents type of situation.
SkyPork@reddit
Yeah, there really can't be any other reason. We hear "personalities" online more than we talk to our own neighbors. Regional dialects require an insulated environment. Now compare that to lingo, which catches on like wildfire now, across the USA, lasts a month or two, and then is declared outdated and stale, and is abandoned by everyone.
soggysocks6123@reddit
This is a great, sad but great comment regarding the point at hand
butt_fun@reddit
Not to sound like an ass but how is this a great comment. Everyone that's spent half a second thinking about this already figured this out
All-Stupid_Questions@reddit
I'd imagine very few people have spent even a millisecond thinking about disappearing regional accents, so it would be concisely explanatory for many.
furie1335@reddit
Non regional accents on TV
jkingsbery@reddit
One thing I haven't seen others mention is a sort of accent code switching. I'm from NJ and work in NY. THAT NJ accent is less accepted in university settings, but I hear that same age group at Yankee games or ordering at the deli with a very typical NJ accent. Not Tony Soprano-level, but you'll still hear the t->d shift, contractions, and so on in environments that are less formal.
GoCardinal07@reddit
As a Californian, I'd like to apologize for our linguistic imperialism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_English
Quix66@reddit
Media. Tv and movies mostly. We all hear the same accents on tv.
aurivaille@reddit
As a northern NJ Gen Z, my parents are immigrants. I only really developed the accent when I went to school and even then it’s more of a neutral American accent with some slight Jersey. It’s only super pronounced when I’ve had drinks or am super excited/pissed off.
the_kid1234@reddit
Everyone has YouTube accent now.
Mr_Noms@reddit
Tv, social media, movies, and people move to new places at a much faster pace than previous generous generations.
Beautiful-Owl-3216@reddit
In 1992 it cost 80 cents a minute to call the next county. By 1996 you could advertise and sell things to people on the other side of the world.
The world got smaller.
NPHighview@reddit
We just stayed at a Florida inn owned by a family from Maine that bought it a few years ago. The father, about 50, had no discernable Maine or "down East" accent at all. Quite surprising.
-Raskyl@reddit
Because everyone lives a global life now, yay social media. Also every decade more and more people from not that region, move to that region and raise children that most likely won't have the accent of that region because their parents wont.
MihalysRevenge@reddit
Traditional Northern New Mexico Spanish is nearly extinct
2Asparagus1Chicken@reddit
Are they?
YNABDisciple@reddit
In the case of Boston…gentrification moves people from the traditional city neighborhoods and pushes the accent to the suburbs where people don’t live in top of each other. People also spend less time with people face to face so they hear others use it less…then they are more apt to move away and more people move to their suburb.
girlinthegoldenboots@reddit
Cajun. First they took our language and now the accent is dying too.9
Jsaun906@reddit
The erosion of regional accents has been going on for ~years now. People are being exposed to other accents (mainly the general American accent) and it influences the way people speak. Especially children. It started with radio, the TV, and then finally the internet.
Beneficial-Crow-5138@reddit
Internet.
eightcarpileup@reddit
If it makes you feel better, I’m a born and raised South Carolinian and I take my children’s accents very seriously. It’s important to my husband and I that our boys have the same drawl as we do for this exact reason. Fewer and fewer of our neighbors are from here and their children have the transatlantic accent. It’s so boring and disheartening. To combat the it, we don’t watch much tv, talk to our kids nonstop, and correct them when they use words that aren’t “ours”, and emphasizing our pronunciation. It would crush me if they grew up to lose this fabric that ties us, but I can say we’ve put in the work.
Prize_Consequence568@reddit
"Why are regional accents disappearing at unprecedented rates?"
None.
They're just continue to evolve.
k464howdy@reddit
internet.
people consider these people a part of you and in your lives.
back in the day, i still saw the city news anchor (literally 20 miles away, lol) as a foreigner with a strange "non" accent.
HotTopicMallRat@reddit
We keep moving
Independent-Wolf-832@reddit
lived all my life in the south, am 40, and do not have an accent. i remember there was one kid in school who talked with a southern accent. he was teased a lot for being different. in the country it's still normal but not in the large cities. i think it's a shame that each region is losing their dialect and authenticity. most likely accelerated with access to the internet. anyone in a remote part that used to be in isolated communities now can see the rest of the country from their phone.
TopperMadeline@reddit
Every person has an accent.
soggysocks6123@reddit
Bruh you have some kind of accent then. I grew up in the burbs of Detroit, spent 10 years in Michigans upper Peninsula only 300 miles north of Detroit, and in a recent trip to Cincinnati, a couple people asked where my accent was from. I was like wtf?
Independent-Wolf-832@reddit
Yeah, you’re right about that. I would sound different than a Michigander and I think I do have a slight Texas drawl. I guess I meant that people 60+ years old have very strong accents compared to younger people.
soggysocks6123@reddit
That makes sense to me
that_mack@reddit
I’m from North Carolina, and when I talk to myself I know I sound like a bale of hay. My internal monologue is stupid southern. I deliberately use a corporate-esque voice in public because if I don’t, the implication is that I’m stupid. I’ve done my own little social experiments, and people genuinely treat me like I can’t understand simple concepts when I use my natural accent. It’s humiliating. I’ve been doing this since I was a child, toning down the country in my voice so people treat me better. Maybe when I meet “the one” I’ll loosen up a bit but even around my friends and parents I keep talking like Joe American. It’s just easier to give myself that bump up rather than have to prove I’m not a drooling idiot every time I introduce myself.
TopperMadeline@reddit
My assumption is that more people are moving around as opposed to older generations.
paxrom2@reddit
I've noticed that younger native filipinos have more neutral "American" accents than their older counterparts. I think its the ubiquity of social media. I think its an international phenomenon.
Any-Concentrate-1922@reddit
Which NJ accent is THAT NJ accent. There are at least three major ones, and they're all different. I grew up in central NJ and am in my 40s. My accent is pretty neutral.
seanx40@reddit
TV. Kids have grown up in front of the tube for 50 years. Accents aren't allowed on tv. Except supporting characters
Tough_Tangerine7278@reddit
My GUESS would be it’s because there’s a lot of redistribution of people; whether it is work, retirement, or friendlier laws.
Not to mention the increase in media, as well as increased business interactions between regions.
Primary_Excuse_7183@reddit
People spend more time interacting online hearing people with different or no regional accent. than they do people near them that have one. over time you talk like what you hear until the point that accent disappears.
Nawnp@reddit
Globalism accelerated thanks to the Internet. We regularly watch and interact with people all over the world now, so regional accents will fade quickly in the next few decades, global accents will start to fade in time too.
Best_Pants@reddit
Increase in digital communication and the decline in vocal/in-person/local communication.
Increased human mobility; people moving away from their hometowns; regional character becoming diluted by transplants.
Normalization of interracial/intercultural marriages and families; diversity in media.
GoonedOutOfMyMind69@reddit
It's funny how accents work. I grew up in northeast Florida in the city and my mother, older brother and sister and I all have neutral accents. My two younger brothers have southern country accents. The only difference was that my younger brothers have a different father and they were home schooled. I still don't understand how they both developed their accents growing up in the same household as us.
MadMaz68@reddit
We code switch. I went to school in MA. My whole family is North Jersey/NY Italians. My friends were shocked when I brought them home. The accent came back full strength. I've been in MA for 15 years now and it still comes out when I'm angry or exhausted.
PsidedOwnside@reddit
I was taught that the harsh accent was unprofessional and it was trained out of me by my parents. They’re from Brooklyn. I grew up on LI. I basically wasn’t allowed to have an accent. They made me pronounce my As and Rs and told me it was “low class” not to. I’m in my 40s, I couldn’t have been the only one raised like that!
DesignerCorner3322@reddit
I'm from Central MA and we don't typically have THAT much of an accent. There are still accents they're just subtler and might be more related to vocab now than outright regular speech. I still call water fountains bubbler and I really soften that er at the end. It's not quite bubbla like you'd expect.
No-Donkey-4117@reddit
People move around a lot, and watch the same programs on TV.
LadyOfTheNutTree@reddit
Internet and tv
Danilo-11@reddit
People in America don't know how homogenous the American accents are. All you have to do is look at the variety of accents in the UK which is the size of Michigan.
tomxp411@reddit
Television, radio, and the Internet.
We learn language by listening. When everything we hear sounds one way, that's who we'll end up talking.
Since the largest portion of the US's entertainment is produced in or through Hollywood, that's what we all learn to sound like. California actors.
RockyArby@reddit
As others have mentioned, we're products of the environments we grow up in. If most of the people you interact with sound a certain way you will adopt it but more and more online spaces are where a lot of social interactions occur. The media they consume, the friends they most speak to are likely online and speak with the neutral accent.
Avery_Thorn@reddit
A lot of it has to do with the consumption of media and more vocal communications with people who do not have the accent.
Also, for the most part, accents are stigmatized, other than a few accents. For the younger people, having an accent hurts their careers and makes them less hire-able. The Southern accent, the Jersey coastal accent, the Brooklyn accent, the Appalachian American accent… all makes it harder to get a job except in these places, and makes it harder to get promoted.
ImperfectTapestry@reddit
Yup, I lost my twang in college when I was made fun of for saying "UMbrella". I don't emphasize the first syllable of words anymore (INsurance, GOODwill)
usquebaugh1@reddit
I had my pronunciation of UMbrella pointed out to me recently, I had no idea that was part of my accent.
Particular_Bet_5466@reddit
As someone that grew up in Wisconsin, I very actively tried to not have a Wisconsin accent. It still comes out, but to me it sounds goofy.
FrontPsychological76@reddit
Yeah, in addition to the influence of media and popular culture that everyone is mentioning here, regional accents really were (and are) stigmatized. I’ve lived in various places where professionals took “accent reduction” classes - which isn’t so necessary anymore, with kids growing up speaking with a General American accent - and I’ve heard people from all over the country (coastal South, Texas, New York, New Jersey) claim that regional accents are not “correct” and that they have to at least try to “speak properly” at work, which is something that really breaks my heart.
WhichSpirit@reddit
TV
Also, as someone from Jersey, a lot of the rest of the country bully us if we have THAT accent so we worked on losing it. Kinda sucks because THAT accent always meant a warm welcome to me.
CarmenDeeJay@reddit
My mother's been in the US for 62 years, and she can't lose her German accent. I'm surprised to hear they're disappearing.
Numerous_Map_8127@reddit
The younger generations speak with much less pronounced accent than generations before. It’s not that people who once had accents are now dropping them.
vanillablue_@reddit
The usage of “yall” has spread pretty strongly up North IMO.
Numerous_Map_8127@reddit
I don’t mind when actual southerners say it, but I know a couple of Northerners who have adopted it and it’s like nails on a chalkboard to me. It feels like an affectation.
the_wiz_of_oz@reddit
I was raised by my grandparents in eastern WA. I picked up the "WaRshington"/"waRsh my hands" thing from them. Its pretty subtle, but people think it's wierd. A lot of older people i grew up around talked like that.
Numerous_Map_8127@reddit
My dad and grandparents from Virginia say warsh as well
jub-jub-bird@reddit
TV and the automobile.
Numerous_Map_8127@reddit
I’ve noticed this, too, and it makes me so sad.
comrade_zerox@reddit
Accents change over time, often arbitrarily, but that doesn't mean they'll coalesce into one single accent. Nobody talks like the 3 stooges old new york accent anymore, but that doesn't mean that contemporary new york accents sound just like LA.
Old ones may die off, but new ones will develop 8n their place.
mysterypdx@reddit
The internet (social media in particular) have flattened culture and this includes accents. There is also a strong bent toward assimilation and conformity in this country (ironic, given that we have also have a culture of individualism here as well). People will make fun of "funny sounding" accents and essentially bully people into taking on a "neutral" accent. Just listen to how people will casually mock strong regional accents that still exist (like Minnesota or the South) as if these people are somehow less intelligent for speaking this way. I find the flattening of regional accents tragic.
phunkjnky@reddit
To add to what others are saying, it's embarrassing when you have your accent pointed out in front of everyone. I am from southeastern New England, our regional accent is that we drop Rs in a very similar manner to the Boston accent. The way RI differs is that we add Rs where they don't belong. So while we might say the stereotypical phrase, "pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd," we might also be from "Alabammer," Arkansawr," or "Alasker."
I can deal with dropping the Rs, but the adding of them is like nails on a chalkboard. I had a teacher who I very clearly remember saying "Alabammer."
I know that I have consciously tried to shed that accent.
AgeOfReasonEnds31120@reddit
Someone from Miami and someone from Fairbanks would speak almost identically.
theromanempire1923@reddit
Cars, planes, and the internet
jephph_@reddit
What’s weird is some of the parents of these younger people have full on Brooklyn accents
In many cases, it’s two generations now. GenX New Yorkers and their kids have neutral accents and it’s only the grandparents who still carry a NY accent
deedee4910@reddit
I’m younger millennial/elder gen z (age 29). Both of my parents are from Brooklyn and still retain their accents. I was born in New Jersey, grew up in Florida. I don’t have a super strong accent, but it’s there. I also learned how to neutralize it when I was in middle school to try to fit in, so now it switches (both consciously and subconsciously) depending on who I’m talking to. My use of vocabulary and mannerisms also vary.
Wanderingthrough42@reddit
I grew up in central Jersey in the 90s and early 2000s. We had a lot of NYC transplants, but everyone else came from all over the northeast. Most people I knew spoke with the "general American" accent OR got their accent from living in NYC, particularly Staten Island. None of my teachers ever had the 'typical new jersey accent'.
Now, we have distinctly NJ words and phrases. We never left anything important outside on Mischief Night, and we used jug handles instead of a left turn lane. We gripe about rubber necking delays causing us to be late for work, and we get Jersey Breakfasts regularly.
Nakagura775@reddit
TV
Angry-Dragon-1331@reddit
We’re communicating outside our geographic regions at unprecedented rates.
tameris@reddit
As a person who was born in and live all of my life in Alabama, I’ve never really had a real southern accent, and I believe that is because my dad is from Michigan, and my mother’s family is half from Maine as well. I’ve never really been around family members who had that southern accent, so I believe that is why I never picked it up.
Savingskitty@reddit
Social and global media. Ease of travel and migration.
DustShallEatTheDays@reddit
I know I’ve intentionally sanded mine off to the point that when I tell people where I’m from, they’re quite surprised.
My family has a thick east Texas accent, and all but me still have it because they never left the area. I did, and I feared that my thick rural accent would hinder my job opportunities and that people might assume I was uneducated because of it. I also lived in a few different countries where having an accent made me more difficult to understand for non-English speakers.
I don’t have children, but if I did, they’d end up with a very neutral accent because neither my husband or I use the accent we were born with.
Pirate_Lantern@reddit
TV and Internet have globalised and homogenized people.
They say the same thing is happening in other places too.
I heard that the Irish accent is disappearing in younger people..... which makes me so sad because that is the most beautiful accent in the world.
GreatResetBet@reddit
Bit it's sae pernicketie tae ken whin thay stairt speaking quickly or git emotionally worked up, it juist turns intae gibberish!
orpheus1980@reddit (OP)
That makes me sad too!
ConstantlyDaydreamin@reddit
I grew up in the south, but don't have an southern accent (or at least not the drawl that people not from the south expect me to have). My theory is that it's a combination of urbanization and a lot of people from all over moving to the south. None of my family is from the south, so I never really had a lot of southern influence on my accent growing up. That is also the case with a lot of my friends growing up. Anybody I knew with a thicker accent usually had family that grew up there, and often lived outside of the city.
Purbl_Dergn@reddit
Cause schools in a lot of areas try to actively teach it out of you. My english classes from middle school to high school all tried or did teach us about using less regional dialect and more proper english. Plus as it's probably already been stated, when you can see and hear every or almost every regional dialect by googling it or searching youtube.. they tend to disappear.
DCHacker@reddit
Radio and television started it. The disappearance of local content hosted by those born or raised in the area was another factor. Most content on radio and television these days is national or syndicated.
The hosts all talk in this "American Midlands" dialect.
jrc_80@reddit
Social media has flattened the communications landscape. That’s why I go extra hard with my Delco accent. For posterity.
EnfysMae@reddit
A lot of people assume that if you have a Southern accent you are “slow” aka ignorant.
They don’t take people with these regional accents seriously in professional or academic settings. Plenty of actors have had to take voice and dictation lessons to lose their accents, in order to get good roles.
perhapsbrooke@reddit
Anecdotal but my accent is getting heavier as I get older and that seems to be the case for most of the hudson country jersey accent speakers I know
Ok-Pomegranate-9481@reddit
In addition to the media environment, there is also the fact that people move a lot more than they used to. Your students may be from NJ or wherever, but their parents may not be, and their grandparents may be other places as well. So some of the most significant people they interact with on a daily basis may not have the local regional accent.
Without reinforcement and reasonably stable groups of speakers, a regional accent can disappear because the "region" becomes unstable.
LightningMan711@reddit
It is known in the South that people with that accent are often overlooked or looked down upon for it, so many in national or international careers actively change it.
Also, many folks from other states (such as myself) have moved down here and brought their original accents with them.
And, as others have said, the worldwide instant transmission of culture has sort of globalized and neutralized accents.
Ok_Kiwi8365@reddit
A general trend brought on by the internet eliminating regionality. I would think stigmatized accents are disappearing faster due to societal pressures
MeanderFlanders@reddit
Interwebs. Makes me sad. I love regional accents.
kimchipowerup@reddit
Probably due to families that move more frequently, going to college further away, work that takes you to new places...
State_Of_Franklin@reddit
The Southern accent has been fading for quite some time. I'm 42 and most of the people I know have what I refer to as the TV accent.
We still use Southern vernacular but no accent.
Then_Increase7445@reddit
I lived in Kentucky for a year about 10 years ago, and I often heard very heavy (to my PNW ears) accents. I suppose it was mostly people who were 40+ at the time, though.
State_Of_Franklin@reddit
Eastern KY I'm assuming. That is largely going to depend on education and socioeconomic status.
Wealthy Southerners are surprisingly more likely to have an accent still but they tend to have a posh Southern accent that's very recognizable.
On the other end you have those who were truly raised in the holler without a lot of exposure those people will have a more traditional working class Southern accent.
Areas which are primarily middle class such as cities and suburbs have lost most of the accent.
I've lived in Gatlinburg and Knoxville primarily but I also lived in Atlanta and Macon a little bit growing up.
Then_Increase7445@reddit
I was in Murray, but drove back and forth to Clarksville quite a bit.
orpheus1980@reddit (OP)
When you say "TV accent" I'm thinking Perd Hapley from Parks and Rec. 😁
NoKindnessIsWasted@reddit
Just over 100 years ago, we didn't even have a radio. A radio! Many people never heard a voice outside their home or village.
cdb03b@reddit
Television and the Internet.
People are listening to, and interacting with people from all over the country and even world, and that tends to blend accents into a homogenized "neutral" one.
Regional accents can only be developed or maintained when there is little contact with those outside said region for the majority of those in it.
81toog@reddit
The proliferation of mass media along with technology and digital communication. Also there seems to be more increased mobility and urbanization these days. People who are college educated and move to big cities rarely have accents now; however you still hear them more with people in rural communities that haven’t moved away far from where they grew up.
CommonwealthCommando@reddit
I always thought that as I grew up I'd start sounding more and more like an old person – skipping Rs, sounding like I was half-squawking when saying "ea", but now I know that it's not happening. That whole way of talking is going away and there will come a day when it's never to be heard again.
No-Diet4823@reddit
People are moving more and the internet has expanded regional slang to be used across the country. It's purely anecdotal but friends from Ohio, Maryland, Oklahoma, and Washington all sounded like the rest of my friends that were from southern California. It's also documented that younger people in general are shifting towards a new accent, especially in California where many consonants are now being aspirated when they usually aren't.
-Boston-Terrier-@reddit
TV and the internet, mostly.
That and older generations less exposed to a "national" accent are dying out.
Live-Astronaut-5223@reddit
TV and internet. it is as simple as that.
MM_in_MN@reddit
Why? The increasingly common transient population.
It •used• to be that everyone grew up in the same area, hearing the same pronunciation of words, taught by people who also grew up in the region.
Now, its dad is from Detroit. Teacher is from Seattle, the day care lady grew up in Nebraska. They currently live in New Jersey, and have Puerto Rican and Vietnamese neighbors. They watch Peppa Pig, Dora, and Miss Rachel. Kids are learning language from multiple different, and quite varied, sources.
cruzweb@reddit
This started happening when radio broadcasting nationwide moved from New York to Chicago decades ago. That was when the "midwest accent" became the standard for communicating with a nationwide audience. From there, all other forms of nationwide communication like TV, movies, etc. have all defaulted to this, and with each passing generation there's fewer regional accent saturation and more midwest accent saturation. Humans generally don't like to be "othered" so it's a natural thing to want to latch onto the "dominant" accent even if it's done subconsciously.
Then_Increase7445@reddit
I moved to Germany 15 years ago, and although I grew up in a fairly neutral accent area, it has been interesting to see it change even since I have been gone. I refuse to change anything about my accent though, and am teaching my kids eastern WA English as it was in 2010 :D.
blipsman@reddit
Because people constantly hear people from other parts of the country 24/7 on TV, social media, podcasts, conference calls, etc.
Inspi@reddit
Funny enough, a new regional accent and even dialect is developing in Miami, FL and the surrounding area.
nippleflick1@reddit
It started when the media, music, and TV began to homogenize to a more standard middle-of-the-road American English.
Kinda like all parts of the country have the same strip malls, and fast food joints, with the exception of some local fare.
saydaddy91@reddit
Its easy to maintain a regional accent when you’ve only interacted with other people with that accent. Now you’ve had an entire generation who’ve grown up online and we’re able to regularly interact with people from all over.
link2edition@reddit
All of this homogenization and actors still can't do a convincing southern accent because they refuse to PICK A STATE.
Ajfman@reddit
Cause just say the words right.
zeezle@reddit
Even though I live in NJ I haven't lived here long enough to comment on that. I have noticed it's stronger in older folks I know, regardless of social class (even fairly blue blood types have it), but I'm in south Jersey so it's more like the Philly accent than the north Jersey one.
At least for the southern accent it's not hard to figure out why. It's the target of open mocking and bigotry at every turn. It's entirely socially acceptable to ruthlessly torment anyone with one in ways the same people would be horrified if you did to any other accent.
I grew up in Virginia, my mother was not from there. The first time I met my aunt after being able to talk as a kid/old enough to remember, she just stopped, burst out laughing, and went "Oh my goodness, you don't even know how stupid you sound, do you?" and turned to my mother and said "you have to fix that right away, you can't take that out in public!"
googlyeyes183@reddit
That central central/eastern NC accent our grandparents had. I only ever hear it in people over 65 now
boulevardofdef@reddit
I was at a playground yesterday in prime Family Guy Rhode Island and heard someone calling for a kid in one of the thickest RI accents I've heard in a while. I assumed it was a grandmother, but then I turned around and was surprised to see it was a young mom. Kind of the exception that proves the rule -- it's rare enough to be surprising to see someone young with that accent today.
kejiangmin@reddit
I think it is because of globalization and mass media.
I don’t have any actual data to back this up but people are no longer just regionalized.
Sure people still have accents and if you are in the Deep South, I can still hear an Ozarkian accent or a Cajun accent but overall I think people are moving too much. Also children are growing up with tv, media, and other things from outside their regions.
Also as you grow older and move, many people learn to speak more what is perceived to be standard and they try to neutralize their accents to be accepted more by their new regions.
orpheus1980@reddit (OP)
Great point. Stephen Colbert said he actively taught himself the accent we hear from him tho he grew up in South Carolina. Because he was the youngest child often watching TV and noticed that those with a southern accent would often be shown as less intelligent or poor. It was entirely the effect of TV in Stephen's telling.
Decent_Flow140@reddit
I’ve got a few friends from the south who taught themselves to talk in a non-southern accent for the same reason.
Also both my grandpa (from New York) and my husband’s grandpa (from the south) were taught to speak in neutral ‘standard American’ accents in law school.
CFBCoachGuy@reddit
Regional accents are associated with lower intelligence, so people learn to adjust their accents at an early age
oswin13@reddit
I've been disappointed since moving to Minnesota nobody really sounds like they do in Fargo.
The OPE is real though.
Derwin0@reddit
Television
Ill_Pressure3893@reddit
Upward mobility
SnarkyFool@reddit
Are those accents perceived as uneducated locally/regionally?
I can see where in an academic setting you might downplay your accent over time if it's not seen as sophisticated enough.
It happens with British accents.
bobgoblin888@reddit
I live just outside of Boston and taught high school for many years. The Boston accent is fading but not disappearing entirely among younger people too. My area has a substantial immigrant population and I think that young people’s speech is also influenced by the substantial multilingual population.
My husband has a very stereotypical Boston accent but my kids do not. I have a more neutral, general northern American accent because I have moved around a lot within the Northeast. Our kids sound somewhere in between us, more influenced by their peers I think. My very ginger youngest has picked up quite a bit of Spanish from his peers and speaks it with a Dominican accent lol.
SeaLeopard5555@reddit
there are 14 to 30 recognized dialects of American speech depending on the criteria, and they continue to diverge overall. This is a function of how long a common language has been used in a particular area. The idea that regional accents are collapsing isn't linguistically supported, but they certainly are changing and some of those changes may blend with neighboring dialects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English#Sub-varieties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_American_English
https://fluencycorp.com/american-english-dialects/
PurpleLilyEsq@reddit
People are moving around and meeting and marrying people from other parts of the country. Kids pick up accents from their parents and from a lesser extent daycare/school teachers, but also media. When mom is from Brooklyn NY, dad is from Texas, the family lives in Minnesota and the daycare teacher is from Chicago, the kid won’t sound like s/he’s from Minnesota.
MatthewRebel@reddit
I'm younger than 40, and despite growing up in New Jersey for most of my life, people still me where I'm from. They hear me speak, and think I'm from Boston. XD
AnonymousMenace@reddit
Unfortunately this is not just an American thing. This just as easily could be a set of almost anywhere.
1: people move more. People go to different states for college, and accent formation gets softer.
2: we consume Media constantly that is in standardized accents. It's safe to say that a child in New York today hears considerably less New York accent than a child 40 years ago did. Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, and more might do this.
3: we talk to people further away more often. My friend in the South has a father from Illinois. He has a Southern accent now, but he has lived there since the '80s. My sister has lived in the South for almost 20 years, and she has at best, an extremely mild Southern accent. Very active communication with northerners slows accent reformation.
Connected to this is that people code switch more. My friend from the south that I just mentioned? She doesn't speak with a Southern accent when she is in the north. It may be that those people have that accent, but they don't use it around you.
msflagship@reddit
I’m from Mississippi. I code switch to fit in. At home around the people I grew up with, I sound southern. In Virginia and while traveling, no one can pinpoint my accent.
People like to guess where I’m from when I mention I’m not from the area and they always guess the mountain west first, followed by Midwest and west coast.
Yankee_chef_nen@reddit
The prevalence of the “General American Accent” on television and other mass media. It’s been happening a long time.
SlimK1111@reddit
Your, "evidence" is ENTIRELY personal and anecdotal. You equate your feelings with actual facts. For a "teacher" that's pretty damn scary.
IHaveALittleNeck@reddit
Right? And the way he reacts when he’s called out on it. Hopefully he’s more humble and mature in the classroom, but I doubt it.
Blue_Star_Child@reddit
Idk where you're located at my accent gets more county the older I get. I live in the rual Midwest and I got a crowd accent and a home accent. My home accent is starting to slightly overtake my flat Midwest cover when speaking to people at work. My twang is coming through.
WindyWindona@reddit
Well, South Jersey has its own more Philly inspired accent-
But overall regional accents have been disappearing, and not just in the US. As media is more national (or even international) and becomes a larger part of people's lives, it influences the accent naturally. Older people might have watched the occasional bit of TV growing up, those growing up today have TikTok on all the time.
For Southern accents, I've met two millennials from the South who both talked about how they were encouraged to lose their accent, one spending a lot of time as a teenager to not sound like he's from Tennessee. It's a known thing in Britain as well, where people who come from Northern England or Scotland to work for the BBC try to aim for a more RP accent. Accent discrimination tends to make people change the way they talk.
orpheus1980@reddit (OP)
Stephen Colbert!
Tactational@reddit
The more generalized regional accents are still there, but it’s easier to hear the differences when you are not exposed to them everyday.
unknown_anaconda@reddit
Back in the day we consumed maybe a few hours of TV a day, and a Saturday morning once a week. These days kids consume streaming content all day long. We spent more time interacting with real people in person in our communities instead of online. Even in school today more teaching is done by watching educational content vs listening to teachers in the classroom lecture.
orpheus1980@reddit (OP)
I wonder if one day everyone across the globe will have a similar accent too as this phenomenon scales up and up.
RandomPerson_7@reddit
The rise of video communication in an internet 2.0 landscape. If you have an accent you WILL get roasted for it and it WILL continue until you change.
Seattleman1955@reddit
People get around more. I'm older but I grew up in eastern NC. I had a southern accent but not as heavy as some. I went to college in the mountains in the western part of the state and the students in my dorm and who became my friends, were on the basketball team and most were from out of state.
So I probably lost some of the more noticeable pronunciations and gains a bit more enunciation. I was also in college where that happens anyway. Then I moved to Spokane and no one is speaking with a southern accent. Then I went to school in Phoenix with people from all over the country and the world. After that I moved to Seattle. There is a relative lack of accent in this area and almost everyone is from somewhere else anyway.
I got married to someone from Nebraska. At a certain point you subconsciously realize that everyone enunciates and now I do too. It's only when I go back to NC that I notice that everyone talks "funny". I can't even "do" a southern accent anymore.
TheLastCoagulant@reddit
Social media.