I just googled what flanderization is and I think it very much does apply to Fallout. They're all good games imo (except FO:BoS), but since Fallout 3, the franchise has leaned very heavily into the 1950s aesthetic and keeps rehashing the same factions over and over making the world seem really small.
Ah! I see what you mean. Guess we're splitting hairs, but Flanderization means a character turns into a parody of itself.
Which IMO hasn't happened to fallout.
But it definitely does seem like Bethesda struggles to come up with original ideas. Or at least is scared to make a game without any "core" parts of the franchise. (BOS, mutants, deathclaws, power armour) It feels like Bethesda had a really good idea of what to lift from the OG games and how to adopt it into 3D, but sort of ran out of stuff to steal.
The BoS and Enclave are definitely parodies of themselves. So are Super Mutants especially. The whole aesthetic is a parody of itself now, that's the most blatant one
The 1950s retro futurism is where the flanderization happened.
When Tim Cain originally came up with it, it was just supposed to be a funny little gag. "The positivity of the 50s vision of the future mixed with the pessimism of the 80s future vision." that's it, just chuckle and move on. The people of the wasteland have their own culture divorced from that, they really don't know shit about anything pre-war.
Now all the music is from the 50s. The gangs are references to groups from the 50s. Characters will talk with pin point accuracy of celebrities from the 50s. The devs are constantly nudging you going "Get it!? Do you get it!? It's like the 50s! Ahhh, you get it, don't you!"
Yup, even the Fallout TV series is going to use actual ‘50s replica cars (according to fans taking photos of sets in Los Angeles) instead of “1950s styled futuristic fusion-powered cars” as they were always supposed to be.
New joinable factions, I think the BoS will always have a spot in fallout games, perhaps they shouldn’t lean much into next time and have them be a side faction like in NV. Same with the Enclave.
The Free Staters and Responders as factions are cool new additions.
And you can even become a raider, never seen before.
Online, you can play fallout with your pals, or on your own, and the community is nice enough to leave you to your own devices unlike GTA Online.
Cons:
Atom shop, pay to win.
Retcons on gear, such as the NCR Ranger equipment, although its riot police gear by lore, it has no place in West Virginia
I remember Tim Cain talking about how during the development of Fallout 1 the 2 main rules that the dev team put into place were:
We can't reference things that wouldn't make sense in the future or make jokes that were too out there (Which is why Fallout 1 has the driest humor in the series since it would be a terribly bleak game without it)
Real People. Real Problems. (The quests in Fallout 1 felt like things that could happen just with a post apocalyptic twist)
Fallout 2 changed everything when Black Isle took over and the funniest thing is that people always say that that game was the best (Old) Fallout game came out. While I like 2 since it is a better game functionally than 1 was, it was the game that started the snowball effect of Fallout being incredibly wacky. Bethesda just continued with what 2 started humor and tone-wise unfortunately.
It’s very much retreading all the ideas set out in earlier games without innovating on them or offering other arguments:
- what makes us human?
- maybe technofascism isnt a good idea?
- gee super-mutants sure are evil arent they?
- gee vault tech sure was evil, weren’t they?
- gee the US goverment sure was evil, weren’t they?
The first 2 games and NV are about lots of different things and offer a lot of nuance to their arguments. The Bethesda games are very milquetoast and offer little nuance with very clear “good” and “bad” sides, and is obsessed with the Brotherhood of Steel.
The Bethesda fallouts also can't go 30 seconds without one of the characters mentioning the great war. Is that all that really happened in the last 200+ years of history? Either that or there's a radio song talking specifically about nuclear fallout. I think it's another reason lots of fans really love New Vegas. It's confident in its own world it created and doesn't feel the need to constantly remind the player that a nuclear apocalypse just happened.
Yet also in Fallout 4 they have the very clear good/bad sides, but their way to "mix it up" is that every side except the Minutemen screw you over or treat you like a nobody by the end of the game. And the Minutemen are boring.
Every single protagonist needs to come from a vault.
There will be the BOS in the new region even tho it was supposed to be destroyed decades ago.
People will not have yet rebuilt a large nation even if 250 years have passed since the bomb fell.
People will still scavenge for food and just a few may cultivate.
Fallout New Vegas feels like a real successor because we can see how society continued to develop and now we had two nation waging war. It wasn't just a single city closed in a stadium having raider problems.
Brotherhood of Steel, supermutants, bottlecaps, Enclave, goofier and goofier Vault-tec experiments - Bethesda just shoves Fallout iconography in their games with no rhyme or reason, which makes the world feel small and flat
TBF obsidian is a memory of a hollow husk of its former self. Obsidian is just a name now. No one there actually gives a fuck about making a good game. They care more about politics now than actual game development.
I'm not even talking about some like woke or anti-woke crap. I just mean they went crazy about who played their games and told everyone to fuck off.
On top of that, they tried so hard to sabotage Obsidian with an extremely short deadline. Despite some noticeable bugs, they handed in what most fans now consider a masterpiece and the face of the series.
Why do you think they tried to sabotage Obsidian? They could’ve just not have made the deal if they didn’t want the game to come out, and it’s not like Obsidian didn’t agree to the deadline as well…
You will get completely fucking obliterated with downvotes if you even hint at this on any fallout/new vegas subs. The fact that ZERO of the new game mechanics introduced in FNV were carried over to later games and that's the MAIN THING people complained about when 4 came out is all the proof I need. And I dare to wonder if Obsidian were allowed to actually finish the game, would Todd even have a job?
The entire skill/skill check system from FO3/NV was tossed for a vague system of perks based only on SPECIAL, ammo crafting and special loads tossed, the weapon wear system and weapon repair kits binned, armor wear tossed except for PA, temporary skill magazines binned, skill books tossed in favor of perk magazines, truly unique endings and factions tossed, challenging DLCs that hold you captive binned, lever action guns tossed(except that stupid broken POS from Far Harbor), I could go on.
I like FO4, I have around 500 hours across 2.5 playthroughs, it is by no means a bad game, or even a bad Fallout game, but for some people to pretend that meetings weren't held early in development about how Bethesda could distance their new product from the FO3/NV era and the great achievements of Obsidian in NV is some of the densest cope imaginable. They clearly got owned in their own IP and thought "better to bin the whole RPG concept and turn it into a looter shooter." There's roughly 12x as many people playing NV than 3 right now and it's been 5x to 10x consistently for the last 15 years. I don't know who's dumber, people who think those meetings and their results didn't happen, or some version of Todd and Co. who pretended they didn't get pwnd by Obsidian. It should also be said that over half the game content was cut when Bethesda told them to pinch it off because of the potential effects of the competed game.
I don't disagree with any of what you've said, but just to be pedantic, FO4 does actually have ammo crafting. It's just inferior to FNV and also DLC paywalled. You can craft bullets and even make ammo factories/machines, but AFAIK you can't make different types of bullets (e.g. hollow points) for most guns. However there are a few non-firearm weapons you can craft different ammo types for. Like the water pistol, acid sprayer, fat man launcher, syringer, different grenade types, etc.
and also: different ammo types, multiple endings for different factions/towns, reputation system (and reputation dialogue checks), faction disguise system (which was very flawed but could've been expanded upon), actual unique weapon variants, and i think the list goes on but that's what comes to mind rn
/>hardcore more was expanded upon and turned into survival mode.
/>Crafting was also carried over and expanded
/>Companion quest.
/>Companion perks.
/>Companion commands
/>Fo4 even replaced a main villain with a faction conflict just like NV
What NEW mechanic that was introduced in NV didn't get carried over?
The first two games are legitimately great but they’re hard to play if you didn’t play them decades ago just because of the 90’s UI stuff (and slow battles). Incredibly designed with deep combat and quests
To be fair Obsidian is equally cooked as Bethesda is now. The people who made FNV left long ago. We are never getting another good Fallout game, the franchise is effectively dead.
I don’t want Obsidian to have another shot at all. FNV is one of my favorite games of all time but after Avowed and Outer Worlds I’m not convinced they still have the recipe for the special sauce
Haven't played Avowed yet, but I hear what you're saying. Not that Outer Worlds was a bad game, it was definitely a solid B. But, like, comparing it to Fallout NV and KOTOR II, I was expecting Outer Worlds to be so fucking great.
A chance for Obsidian to finally be able to cook on a game and not have to crank one out for EA on a deadline.
I excitedly picked up Outer Worlds on release and was just so… whelmed. Like obviously they have the humor and irreverence there but it just lacked substance. It was like one of the late night shows with Fallon - some jokes hit, pretty funny bits on occasion but just as deep as a puddle. Avowed I had lower expectations for and it didn’t really meet those either
I never played new Vegas as much as 3 and 4. Idk why, but I couldn't get into it. Not that it was bad, persey, but I just wasn't as enthusiastic about playing it.
Something that bothers me is that everything seems like the bomb were dropped yesterday. Besides FO76 the bombs dropped 200+ years ago but they refuse to make something that leans more into the depth of the world they have.
Fallout 1 and 2 were great. 3 was an impeccable modernizing. New Vegas fit well, but you’re looking at it as the best Pokémon the same way everyone does to their “first Pokémon”. Fallout 4 tried to push things, but I feel like play testing should’ve been enough to show the settlements couldn’t function well when they always need saving and even ones with every single companion would stay wrecked. 76 was a very realistic response to the fact is in a weird space where mobile games can out earn a triple a for more years with a sliver of a budget.
How fromsoftware manages to, I have no idea outside of grand manipulation of memes and social media marketing. Yet souls like are the new hotness, so maybe it was the best combination of skills, know how and business people.
I failed to see why you think that liking fallout 12NV while trashing bethesda fallout is elitist? I do that too, because vethesda fallout is bottom tier writing when you stop to think about what is being presented. F3 was good, innovative, I liked it fine. But writing and worldbuilding (thing I care about most) was trash and thus I never wanted to replay it. Fallout 4 I played for 10 hours before realizing I can't take it anymore. Meanwhile FNV is in my top 5 fav games of all time and F1 and 2 are up there
It doesn't make me, or us (hough I can't speak for everyone), elitist that we focus on other aspects of the game. I mainly care about immersisng myself in an rpg I am playing and enjoying the world it created and I rate it based on how believeable I think it is. Bethesda Fallout fails utterly in this regard for me. Thus, I can't speak highly of it. And the only reason I, or we, bring it up so much is because noe the whole franchise is defined by Bethesda, instead of Interplay or Obsidian, or any of the writers. It's sad that the world I liked is completely warped into something I don't like, and I think my opinion is valid
No, but liking fallout 1 and 2 without ever having played them makes you ignorant. Fo2 had just as bad, if not worse writing than the average Bethesda game. Why do New Vegas fans always pretend to be classic fans?
It’s because they think their rose colored glasses view of the new Vegas series is based in a taste for “superior writing” when they also like the writing that allowed fantastic to exist which anyone with I of higher than 2 should realize he’s dumb as a box of rocks.
While I like the game the missile defense plot of it all is such a bad one.
Why doesn’t reality have that as a reflective response to nuclear missiles?
It just doesn’t work well enough. In reality the yesmen wouldn’t have all been pristine. Their coding wouldn’t have been exhaustingly perfect.
Fallout 3 was impeccable in modernising? You fr rn? Fallout 3 is barely a Fallout game (if we compare it to f1/f2). I mean, they focused on the action rather than the story
Fromsoftware knows what their audience likes and how far they can stretch the envelope to attract more casual people without ruining the formula like they did with Elden Ring.
Bethesda just dumbs everything down (Fallout 4, Starfield, Fallout 76) in order to sell to braindead streamer type gamers who don't want to actually think or be challenged and just want cool visuals. When the story writer of Bethesda says one of his core principles for writing is to keep everything super simple you know that these people aren't interesting in making games for people with brains.
Legendary equipment hit the same wacky fun that you got from going from gta 4 to saints row.
The game doesn’t take itself too seriously by allowing different play styles.
We literally got to see a futuristic wooden battleship fly through the Boston sky.
Fallout 76 gave everyone exactly what it is like to play fallout with people. It’s just not the same. Just like ESO being to far off from the main elder scrolls.
True fans want these things for more lore and content. You’re not a fan of the series you just like the game you played when you were 14-15 and wanna feel like that again.
Starfield wasn’t for me, if I played it more I’d have more of an opinion.
You aren't a true fan if you don't just mindlessly consume and glaze every title in the series is certainly a take. You sound like one of those people who buys COD games every year.
Bethesda fanboys are so devoid of taste it's not even funny.
The OG studio did two games then shut down. Bethesda bought the franchise, did a game that got it mainstream recognition, they got the guys from the old studio and gave them the chance to make one last game with the engine Bethesda did and it was the indisputed magnum opus of the series, and said old team went their separate ways once it was done. It was all downhill from there, as they made a meh game and a shit game and was it not because they did a successful TV series the franchise would be all but dead.
All things considered, not a bad run. People give Bethesda lots of shit but it could have been a lot worse.
I really hate how Bethesda interprets 'War Never Changes' to mean 'rehash the same groups and factions regardless of how non-sensical it becomes'.
Hence why the NCR >!is nuked by!< Vault-Tec who are now major players in the wasteland again (instead of being a dead pre-war faction whose ghost is affecting the world centuries after it's death), The Enclave, which was exterminated twice, somehow have another massive base with seemingly limitless resources and the fucking Brotherhood of Steel keep showing up even when it doesn't make sense for them to be there (they retconned the BoS origins so they could use them in Fallout 76 and they somehow got an airship between F3 & F4 so the same group could get to Boston from DC real quick)
Because a 3rd generation Elf Lady that saw the Light of the Two Trees wouldn't act like that.
Sauron isn't some kind of sexy manipulator conman, he is a literal angelic being that made a country start doing human sacrifices to honour his fallen Master. Because the Istari weren't around till well into the 3rd Age. Because Orcs (while not fully developed by Tolkien in a single concept, as he was still working with them into his later years) aren't some sad puppy species pushed around by Sauron, they revel in destruction and violence even on their own as they are distorted forms of life corrupted by the Satan equivalent of the world.
RoP is just using the names and narrative of Tolkien to write their own random fantasy stuff.
It's not even fanfic level because "fanfic" implies a degree of respect towards the original narrative and characters.
I can accept some of the "changes", the original trilogy had more than its fair share, but sticking Gandalf in the middle of the second age is just a blatant contradiction to the lore.
I and most people would have ignored these deviations from the lore if they served a purpose in a good plot line. But, no, they were there just for the sake of being there. They stuck Gandalf in, just because people know him.
100%, like I said the original trilogy did that pretty frequently, but it did it in a way that was still respectful to the source material. RoP just fucks around with no reason so they can name drop people that have no business name dropping
This is an interesting one because they are very aware of the lore and are very cautious about which of tolkein's works they borrow from -- they do not have the film rights to all of his books.
I think the obvious solution would be to decide which stories they want to adapt, and then pursue those rights specifically, but executives are not known for thinking ahead.
Not saying I disagree, just that the situation is nuanced.
I do disagree with the bad acting comment -- morfydd Clark and Lloyd Owen are fantastic actors when you give them a good script to work from.
As for the lore, you aren't defending it either, so it isn't really worth debating it in my opinion.
As for the acting, it was horrible, despite the cast not being bad. I don't know if the script, the actors themselves or the directors are to blame, but it felt soulless.
For me, it’s nice to have more lord of the rings content but it’s just not done as well as the original trilogy, I did enjoy the war of Rohirrim though
It was so infuriating too to see Amazon start paying off media outlets to write articles that called critics of the series racist. The writing was awful and none of the major figures in the series matched how Tolkien wrote them. Nobody cared about the black elves, they cared about the writing.
I'm a loser, and I don't mind the fact that they're black, I mind that they never showed me Middle Earthen Africa or whereever it is they hail from, cause that would be a truly refreshing spin on the franchise that has so far only explored boring temperate biomes.
I haven’t forced myself to rewatch season 1, but wasn’t he the singular ethnic elf? Like… if you’re cast an ethnic elf, at least include a full patrol of them.
I did not read this firsthand, but I heard that the writers basically said "we are not sure why they gave us thus show, we have no idea what we are doing", or something to that effect. That is a great start for one of the most, if not the most, beloved fantasy series of all time.
The Lord of the Rings cant be changed, what Tolkien wrote is the true Lord of the Rings, nothing else.
The rest is fan fiction and fan arts, which can be good like some games, god tier like the Peter jackson movies or terrible like Rings of power.
Really? I remember the Dark Empire comics from 1991 very fondly, it had awesome art and it ushered in an era of new, cool Star Wars comic books after years of nothing.
If they somewhat build to it, it would be at least better than what we got. Instead we got a bunch of movies with random bullshit happening and 0 payof for anything. Kylo Ren gets defeated in the first movie. Snoke gets teased in the end and dies in the next movie. Phasma and Hux are mostly pathetic. And then they had to pull a new villain out of their ass for the last movie.
They did do it better than the OG books. Like, Luke having serious self doubt and a moment of slippage to the dark side himself regarding Kylo Ren isnt all that crazy, given that he wailed on his own father (after spending the entire movie being the lone voice saying Vader could be redeemed, mind you) for like a minute and a half just for threatening Leia. The idea that Luke just somehow.... logically decided the only way to stop Palpatine was to voluntarily submit to the Dark Side, is an insult to writing.
Thank you. Anytime someone says the should have gone the way of the comics and novels, I point out that what Disney did was basically a copied homework... Those ideas were already shitty.
Except they didn't do any of the buildup that that needed. They could have copied anything from the EU and it wouldn't have mattered because it was thrown into one movie where they had to introduce the villain and then defeat them in less than 2 and 1/2 hours. It didn't have a chance by episode 9. I don't know. Maybe Disney should have had an actual plan for the trilogy instead of just handing complete creative control to each director. I'm not saying Dark Empire was a masterpiece but I think it could have made a decent enough plot if it was the actual plan from the start and they built to it.
Yeah, like this is a universe of holograms and lost ancient secrets and such. Could have easily just National Treasured this shit (which they already proved they could do as a good adventure franchise), and had like a trail of luke, lei and han holograms leading the main characters to the covered up truth, with an occasional "reveal it all" flashback or cliffhanger hooks about the original trio's "plan".
EZ peasy, can stretch multiple movies, can still be universe shaking, and doesn't have to fuck with the Nerd Saint status of beloved original characters.
If they were generously time skipping, they should have just made a new series. The ot and prequels could remain the Skywalker saga and then we could judge a new trilogy on its own merit.
But Disney wanted to cash in on their purchase immediately and didn't bother developing any real stories.
They could have done something similar to the Darth Krayt comics. I remember liking that when I was a kid. Only problem is they don't get to use all the old actors,so they never would have done it.
The dark empire is generally considered some of the worst stuff in the legends expanded universe. It was bad then, everyone knew it was bad, and for some reason Disney decided to try it again.
Yea but if i remember the books i read right, it wasnt that trash. I went to watch episode exited to see which of all the book plots they followed. That day a fan died. I watched 8 shitfaced and didnt even bother for 9.
Except it was like a year after episode 6 and explained quickly it was because of clones and he had already been transferring his body off screen to new bodies a few times. I know a lot of people hate on the Dark Empire storylines but I thought the part with using the force to transfer yourself to a cloned body was cool along with the force storms
It's the type of person that would buy a Victorian house, because they like the "Victorian Style", rip out the interior regardless of it being dilapidated or not, remodel it with black and white marble all over, painting over the rest and then have the gall to say they made it better.
Skill issue. Those books were fantastic. They took characters from children's books and ran them through an incredibly dark war story that moulded them into the monsters and heroes who made the next twenty years of books amazing.
Literally. They had tons of source material written by people who actually know how to put together a good story, and they threw it in the bin. Like, Solo family story is boring in the sequels, it was a real tragedy in the books though with Jania/Jacen part, and Chewie’s final moments, oh my god writing was good back then.
We have hope. Acolyte gave us one of the best sith villains in the whole new media franchise and there is slight hope he makes a return despite acolyte being mixed.
I mean hope is a running star wars theme i dunno why we as a community don't follow that more.
The new story writer claims he always hated Luke Skywalker, and he was so happy he got to kill him off, and make him seem like a lesser jedi than he was in the original movies. Fun fact.
I don’t care much less about their creative choices than I do the fact they openly disregard and contradict their own canon constantly.
I’m not talking characters miraculously surviving fatal events or Dave Filoni’s time travel, I’m talking about the zero effort they make into ensuring their various media projects are internally consistent.
Yeah, the whole “mandoverse” or whatever that group of tv shows is called falls apart under any scrutiny timeline-wise. It’s honestly crazy how little they put into that.
The EU was a mess before the whole legends thing. Multiple books of varying quality, questionable timetables and some books doing a lot of retconning (I, Jedi). Not to mention some of the authors getting super petty in their books about it.
Dude they could have had movies for forever if they just dipped into legends. It's "not canon" anymore, and it's a damn shame. It was a money printing machine and they had to shit into the printer.
to be fair that would have probably been an awfull mess of rights to the text issues, but even without that there were still way better possibilities for Star Wars Stories, just look at Rogue One and Andor
You do have a point with rights, but there is such a bulk of stories that I think it would be quite easy to just ask, see if they are willing to sell it, probably have that person's name in the credits.
I love the slow burning return of all the old legends canon because Disney I'd realising they're too creatively bankrupt to actually make new stories that people enjoy.
The worst part is that it feels like they were right on the edge of being great.
They did great with mandalorian and andor, but they just totally butchered the acolyte.
There was amazing scenes in the new trilogy but the story was so bad that I honestly couldn't tell you a single thing that happened besides that Leia survived unprotected in space, Luke drank alien cow milk, and Rey had an unparalleled talent for looking dumbfounded the entire time.
BoBF was far, far worse than the acolyte. I personally think Kenobi was worse too. But BoBF stands alone. We’re talking hoards of people fresh off great media, and a lovable character, all wanting to enjoy it but being forced to reconcile in real time just how bad it was.
Even Mando Season 3 and Ahsoka were massive let downs.
It really says something that Ahsoka Season 2 is the only live action show in the pipeline, they bungled things so damn badly that they’re no longer a worthy investment. They just really can’t seem to get anything right consistently with this franchise…
New star wars has always done an incredible job with the visuals. From TV shows, to games, to movies they have always looked visually super impressive.
But yeah, the writing is hit or miss. The shows have definitely done better than the movies. Most, not all though.
The thing the shows have going is that they at least know what’s going to happen later, which is a fundamental aspect of all storytelling that the sequels lack.
I think the biggest quality control issue on the shows is the direction. Disney finds these directors so bad that even people who have zero media knowledge are distracted by their creative choices.
Oh my God, yes. They had this marvelous opportunity to plan out a trilogy in advance and chart a new course and they instead chose to fly by the seat of their pants and just hope nostalgia bait would be enough to carry them.
Damn, rogue one is one of the best Star Wars movies ever made in my opinion. Every single other Disney one has sucked complete ass but rogue one was amazing.
it was bad, aside from a few good moments/episodes
Characters didn't act consistently, arcs were undone constantly, there was very little cohesion between episodes that lasted longer than maybe 3 episodes at a time.
This was even an issue in Rogue One, despite the time pressure of 120 minutes. Cassian starts by being a friend-killing cop-killer, then arbitrarily does a 180 in character for this chick he met hours or a couple days earlier?
He did this in Andor too. What's his actual nature? And when does it change? Or does it not change, and he just flip-flops on whether he's a hardass soldier who kills people in cold blood based on peer pressure from the person he most recently spoke to?
The whole idea is he's an average guy who becomes a rebel over time, through seeing what the empire is and through the people he meets who inspire him and call on him to fight. But he has a hot-and-cold relationship with the rebellion for what felt like way too long- until the very end of the series!
What happens with the Bix plotline in season 2? She's on drugs for like 5 episodes and it's made to be some big deal, then in a 2 minute scene her mental is fixed. It's ham-fisted. Same with the Wil and Saw scene huffing the diesel 🤷♂️ epic scene, but it was abrupt and nothing came out of it.
There are so many character and story elements that happen without any buildup, and which dissipate into ether by the next episode.
Also literally what was the point of the first three episodes of season two? Cassian is just stuck between two dumbass groups of rebels. For three episodes? What a waste of time
It is at its best when episodes have to be self-contained. It's one reason the prison episode was fantastic.
If you are so uninterested in star wars why are you acting as if your opinion on one of the movies is so important. You are allowed to not like a movie but your framing your criticism as if you care about the franchise.
They named a franchise, and I noted that one of the movies since Disney took over was boring. I'm simply agreeing by sharing my experience with the franchise.
I legit don't know what Andor is. I'm sorry if this offends you. I really liked The Force Awakens, but the next 2 films and Rogue One were boring, so I just tapped out on watching more.
Star Wars fans confuse me. They're crazy die hards and will criticize you for criticizing what being criticized and defend a franchise that they hate 50-80% of.
Even then, you can buy enough upgrades to become immune to everything but the melee damage from the bruiser enemies however you regen before they can do their next attack so while it does damage you, you don't actually have any real risk to dying to them and I was actively trying to find ways to get killed out of sheer boredom.
Invulnerability is fun and all but there's a reason you need to activate cheats to do so and it's not just an unlock. Don't even know if there was a way to turn it off or go down to lower levels, once you buy, you just have no reason to play any further, can't even load it up to go on a rampage cause there's no challenge of trying to stay alive as long as possible.
They leaned in SO hard. I respect a GTA clone that lets you become president, break out of the matrix and beat the space emperor to death with your bare hands.
They also had to get the animations right for a 6 foot dude with a sword arm, or hammers for fists, or a little ol grandma so I think Protoype also put a lot more work in. The overall mechanics were exactly the same but it definitely felt better in prototype.
I was happy with the later ones because it was pointless trying to compete with GTA. SR 3-4 I still play in coop because of how weird it is. Anybody who acts like they’re shocked at the arc forgets that a monster truck crushing your friend is a big part of SR2s story.
As one of the weirdos who enjoyed nearly every entry. The reboot was so bad it's the only one I refuse to purchase.
Some cringe is fun, that's what gave 4 such a vibe, but holy shit, the reboot is all cringe, nothing badass or even badass ajacent. It's like you took a boomers understanding of zoomers/millenials, then made all the main characters out of that stereotype cranked to 15. Not to mention we lost all the good charecters from prior installments.
The disappoint when the memes began to flow was overwhelming
I actually liked Saint Row 2022. It was better than 3 and 4 at least. Not quite on par with 2, but it was still a really fun game and I think rebooting it was the right direction to go in after how stupid 4 made things even compared to 3.
There was lots I liked about it, but the dialogue was very painful to listen to. Ending is pretty dumb too, making the moral of the story the power of friendship. I agree its more ambitious than SR3 at least
Its a really good city too, I love the Albuquerque inspired aesthetic, but it does feel a little hollow. It needed more interiors and some unique district themes imo
I don’t know why that franchise got so bad about having unique districts when it was one of the best parts of 2 (never played 1). It made Stillwater feel like an actual city instead of just a video game map
Effectively unchanged outside of the floating towers, too! Like, they could have iterated on it and at least made it feel cyberpunkier or something for 4.
Stilwater is the best open world map ever, rivalled only by San Andreas. It has a bunch of unique themes like chinatown, college campus, and the trailer park while still having a good flow. Nothing feels like it was awkwardly placed into a different map, its all cohesive
You can ALSO thank Deepsilver for pulling the funding for the Saints Row 2 PC remaster. The lead IdolNinja was literally working on it in the hospital with weeks to live and they just discarded his work after he passed. Fuck them
It’s really sad that so many kids that grew up concurrent with Halo 4 and 5 are now having nostalgia for it and trying to retcon that they were actually good
They were fun (I'm a Halo 2 & 3 kid), the multiplayer was still solid in 4, and 5 had a very fun sandbox to mess around in, but the story was just so severely lacking for both.
That's actually the problem, though. It was just solid.
Each game in the trilogy was better than the last, and each release would go on to become a part of American culture. The stats even back this up.
Halo 4 sold more than any of the trilogy games basically due to brand loyalty but then could never maintain the same player counts that the trilogy did.
Halo 3 maintained a 1 million player count a year after its release while Halo 4 was under 300k players just a week after release.
Idk chief, Bungie literally jumping ship to build Destiny and taking all their talent with them probably makes for a decent reason tbh. Not that it's a good excuse, but a reason nonetheless.
That would be true if the team at 343 weren't capable of building a similar experience to Halo, but they were fully capable.
When they made a demonstration of a Halo game, the reply they received from higher ups at 343 was that "this just looks like Halo." Development for Halo 4 ensued afterward.
Not to get nitpicky here, but a demonstration is typically less indicative than a full game experience. If you only showed me parts of the early Halo 4 campaign, I'd probably also think it's just Halo, maybe "oh cool, new covenant subfaction" if you show me the Forerunners (?) without context. Like, it's not that Halo 4 bombed from a gameplay or aesthetics side. So yes, you're absolutely right that the 343 leadership is mostly to blame, but also 343 hasn't demonstrated that they have the talent (especially in the story department) to keep the legacy going properly.
Also doesn’t help that the studio has propped up by a revolving door of contractors. I assume due to their history that it’s a MS decision and not a 343 leadership one. A lot of incompetence in decision making all around. Infinite had good bones, but devs couldn’t figure out how to work with the new engine.
It’s frustrating how each iteration of 343 halo scraps everything and goes back to the drawing board and does something quite different instead of just building on the things that worked and fixing the things that didn’t.
As someone who really enjoys the 343 games your second paragraph i really agree with. They've all had their issues but I love them nonetheless, I really would have loved to have seen them stick to their guns and keep the original post-halo 4 story they were writing.
Then again, looking at the rest of this thread, I can't exactly blame them for jumping ship time and time again. This community is so bloodthirsty and nitpicky it's crazy. I mean it's 2025 and there are still humans are forerunner arguments when even Bungie never decided one way or another on it
This is a long read if you actually care to see why fans of the original Halo series are so upset about it to this day.
It WAS decided but certain people like to rewrite history and say that it wasn't. Not saying that's what you're doing, but people have done this a lot and have framed it this way and that's probably why you think they never made a clear decision when that couldn't be further from the truth. 343 Guilty Spark clarifies multiple times throughout the series that humanity is Forerunner.
He eventually makes comments in Halo 1 directly saying "I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce." "You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating." In Halo 2's original storyboard which was cut due to the infamous development of that game, Guilty Spark would lead the Arbiter to a Forerunner tomb that revealed a human skeleton. In Halo 3, 343 GS directly says "You are Forerunner! But this is my ring!"
Doing just a bit of research about the retcons of Halo and seeing what previous devs have said about the story makes it crystal clear. There's also a novel called Contact Harvest, which was released after Halo 3, it is a story about Sgt. Johnson when he was on the very first planet that was fought over during the Human-Covenant war.
In this story, written by Joe Staten who is the writer for the Halo trilogy, it is directly confirmed that humans are of Forerunner descent, and this is the reason why the Prophets want the Covenant to exterminate humanity. They had the belief, due to their misunderstanding of a Forerunner AI named Mendicant Bias, that THEY were the reclaimers.
When they discover a planet full of Forerunner markers and the AI explains that the prophets have consistently misunderstood the AI's message, it is also revealed that all humans are Forerunner. So the prophets have the covenant believe that humanity is made of Forerunners who were left behind, not worthy of the great journey, continuing their lie to maintain power and influence.
Joe Staten was not with the Bungie crew when he was writing this book. Halo 3 terminals had to have been written mostly without his knowledge, as Joe's writing has a cohesive narrative from start to finish and it doesn't make sense for the forerunners and ancient humanity to be two different things with his story explaining the origin of the human-covenant war. It is only when the terminals are introduced that the story isn't so clear-cut anymore.
To ignore all of this evidence in favor of terminals that were an afterthought compared to the rest of what the series had built up to that point is just ignorant. I don't have a problem with retcons, I have a problem with retcons that add nothing to the story. Precursors fill the original role that the Forerunners did in the original trilogy but worse because ancient humanity existing alongside the Forerunners narratively makes no sense. To this day, the writers for Halo novels try to reconcile how humanity and Forerunner are related without being direct descendants and at the moment they're basically cousins when this was never intended to be the case.
Yeah I assumed a lot of it is overcorrection and pressure by MS to make their flagship game a real hit. I loved H5 and Infinite for what they were but super disappointed what they left behind from 5. I can “get” why they scrapped a lot of 4 due to the unpopularity, but 5 had a lot of things that were well received outside of the hate everything not by bungie crowd.
I actually really liked Halo 5’s core multiplayer. It did the advanced movement stuff, but did it well. And it made sure that it didn’t interfere with the holy trinity of gun, grenade, and melee combat. Campaign was straight poop though.
Warzone and Warzone Firefight were some of the most fun game modes added to the franchise and I’ll go to my grave with you on that. Unfortunately it was packaged with a campaign so bad it almost single-handedly murdered the franchise
This is just untrue through. The only, ONLY character you could say was character assassinated was Cortana, but that's really all. The universe has grown a substantial amount and while you can argue all you want that "the games were bad" (they aren't, you just don't like them as much because you have your own rose tinted glasses for the Bungie ones just like I do the 343 ones, it's okay to admit that), the only "bad stories" I would say are halo 5's campaign and the escalation comic series
You're allowed to not like 4 5 and infinite but it aggravates me to no end seeing all 3 games slandered and halo 3 getting propped up with the abysmal story it had
Imagine waking up, having a full day to do anything you can think off. The world is your playground, the posibilities are endless. Then you go to reddit and decide to shill for 343.
The forerunners are human, not a different race or voldemort motherfuckers, no, they are humans.
The abrahamic religions are a retelling of what happened between the forerunners and the flood.
Halo 4 is a wattapad fanfic, Cortana is way out of her character and rampancy isnt like that.
The ark was destroyed in Halo 3. It doesnt make sense for it to appear in Halo wars 2, unless you retcon Halo 3.
Humanity didnt had a truce with the covenant to fight the flood, it had an alliance with the elites and a very brief truce with the flood to fight the covenant. How did they messed up that one?
343 Guilty Spark is dead, he died in halo 3. Its stupid to make him come back as a buff robot.
The prometheans and kights and shit are stupid. The forerunners arent like that.
Using the books to excuse bad writting in the games and to pull bullshit out of your ass doesnt work.
There is a reason why Halo is remembered fondly by the general public as a 2000 franchise. No one talks about Halo anymore outside its shrinking community.
No way you're talking about retconning bungies campaign and lore when Bungie themselves would shoot their own lore in the back of the head on a whim (halo reach)
The forerunners were never decided on by bungie to be human or otherwise. You're just pissy it's not how you wanted it to be
This is an interpretation and not at all confirmed by any Bungie media
Rampancy isn't like that? How would you know? Bungie never depicted rampancy in any of their media outside of 343 guilty spark, a forerunner created AI. You can disagree with how it was done and give criticisms, but calling it a Wattpad fanfic is a bad faith argument and makes me want to just ignore any point you made in this post.
Did we see the destruction of the ark? Did we see the debris floating around in space? Truth is we have no basis for what damage was done to the installation other than the words of an insane 343 guilty spark
Are you referring to a single line of dialogue in the opening mission of halo 4 here? Yeah I agree it's not an accurate version of events but also it had been 5 years and lines like that are a narrative way of reminding the audience what happened previously in the story.
While I can't defend 343 guilty spark surviving halo 3, I like the narrative journey that he concluded in the extended media, from his life as Chakas to his current journey as spark so I don't care enough to complain about it
"The forerunners aren't like that" my bad bro I forgot you wrote the series
How do the books "defend" bad writing in the games? Would I love to see more book stories in the games themselves, yeah absolutely but having extended media doesn't "defend" bad writing. They've done their best to clean up the halo 5 story and I think they did a good job doing so, Empty Throne was a great read.
The reason nobody talks about halo fondly anymore is because people like you who live in the past and would rather spend time shit talking Infinite rather than attempting to get people to try the games that you so enjoyed as a younger person.
The problem here lies with the overwhelming negativity of the community, which has far outgrown fair criticism. It's a crazy concept really, people bashing and non-stop bitching about the games rather than using them as entry points for new fans to experience the story you love is a problem that people like you create
It kills me because the gameplay of Infinite is so good but the campaign is completely disconnected from context without reading a book and comic series and the multiplayer is an unrewarding grind fest.
Infinite’s campaign was a cleanup job. It’s the immediate post-vomit feeling where you’re starting to drink water but the taste stays in your mouth for a while
Infinites gameplay was so much fun but holy fuck i did not give a shit about the banished or the weapon.
Im sure i missed a lot as i didnt play 5 or wars 2 or whatever bridged the gap story-wise but it feels so much like a star wars sequel trilogy-esque rehash of stuff im meant to recognise i wanted to skip at every opportunity.
The fact that (roughly?) a month into the game being out the multiplayer servers started dying didn't help either.
I had a group of over a dozen friends that I'd routinely queue into BTB with, but we all lost our enthusiasm for the game when half the players could never get into a match.
I'll throw out a molten hot take here - imo the gunplay in Infinite is the best its ever been across any Halo title. The gun variety and visual/audio feedback is incredible
I 100% agree. I played a decent bit of H3 multiplayer but didn't get into multiplayer properly until Reach. Infinite's gameplay took me right back into those moments with such beautiful polish. The bad times were every time I came out of a match.
I know cosmetics don't change gameplay but I like having something tangible after burning 20-30 hours in a game.
I know in the grand scheme of things that the lobby disbanding after a match doesn't change much and I probably will forget most people I play with, but sometimes those repeat match ups built friendships.
Progression and community are just as important as good gameplay in a multiplayer experience, and a game lacking those two things means I'm only getting 1/3 of a game and I'm not going to get nickled and dimed for cosmetics for 1/3 of a game.
Halo games improved in gameplay (yes, bungie halo had dogshit balance, and illusion of choice in weapon variety past normal difficulty) and plummeted in story and level design. Legit, halo 4 had great gunfights. They actually managed to make automatic weapons not squirt guns, the AR is more than viable even in legendary, but the campaigns levels were the same copy pasted, mind-numbingly boring environments and "yer a wizard, chief" plotline also anonymous as fuck.
Halo 4 was the last one I genuinely enjoyed. I loved the new weapons, enemies were kinda interesting, and Cortana's story was great in a sad way. Then 5 took a shit all over it
For sure reach was really damn good, but I also thought 4 was pretty good as like a little tie everything together and end the series kinda thing. Everything after that though I agree just milking gamers for nostalgiabucks. Def 3 was peak
Plus you had to read the books to understand what goes on between 4 & 5, and 5 & Infinite. Not to mention another book coming out to explain what happens after Infinite.
Opened this post and immediately ctrl + f'd to find this answer. Of all the things they changed and fucked up, altering Master Chief's armor and then handwaving it away as "nanomachines, son" is the dumbest one to me.
They really should've just made it so that Chief would start with his classic armour and then get an upgrade to the Gen-2 suit after making contact with the Infinity. Give it a few extra features like compatibility with equipment packs.
That was pretty dumb, but honestly pretty minor imo. I forgot about it in like 10 minutes because it just didn't matter that his pauldrons were a bit different now, w/e.
The cardinal sin for me is the Ancient Humans bullshit. They had everything lined up so fucking well to say that humans were descended from the forerunners, so much hinting over all the games and books...
AND THEY WENT WITH FUCKING ANCIENT ADVANCED HUMANS. It was fucking flabbergasting that they took such a grounded, believable sci fi setting, and just decided to put the tropeiest shlockiest garbage they could think of in it. 343 are absolute fucking hacks that couldn't write their way out of a paper bag.
The "humans are forerunners" thing was an idea that was kicked around in the Bungie days but was never fully fleshed out or implemented. There are a few leftover lines of dialogue in the original trilogy (and OT-era novels) which obliquely refer to it. For a more explicit example, Halo 2's story changed a lot during development, but one idea they had was that the Arbiter would find a forerunner's grave (when he was looking for the sacred icon) and find a human skeleton in it (see this artwork for reference, which is a painting based on the cut Halo 2 storyboard in question - if you want to see the original storyboard, I was unable to find it, but IIRC it is in one of the Halo 2 vidocs).
However, contrary to popular belief, the "humans aren't forerunners and were actually their own race of ancient advanced History Channel guys" retcon actually started in the terminals of Halo 3. And (unlike the terminals in Halo 1 or 2) these terminals were put in the original game by Bungie, not added by 343 in MCC. See this article for an in-depth look at the issue. The TL;DR is that there was apparently some kind of miscommunication or differing artistic vision between the different writers/developers.
For me it was one of those straw that broke the camel's back situations. It is a minor thing compared to everything else they changed just for the sake of changing, and his new armor didn't even look that bad (compared to the new Covenant armor and Prometheans), but it also went to show how little reverence and care 343i had for the multimillion dollar flagship franchise they were inheriting. Everything had to be altered because nothing was good enough, not even the main character, and they knew better than the fucking creators of this franchise because they just do.
It hurts even worse that a year or two ago, former 343 and Bungie devs came out saying 343's execs were intentionally sabotaging Halo because they hate the franchise. They also hate the flood, the best enemy in the series, and tried to act like their big bad villain in Infinite, The Harbinger, is worse "because we said so okay?!"
I was already bummed by inquisition which you could see all over the place once you played it, just how much they cut out. Game was supposed to be a MMORPG but they scrapped it 3/4s of the way through and what we got in the end was shallow to say the least.
I still remember the previews for that game showing the qunari starting a bit of a war and ravaging whole cities, but it all got cut by the time the game released, all while the 'OG' writers kept making videos saying they were going back to how it used to be; all lies.
Then comes out Veilgaurd and holy shit they just couldn't help but put a bunch of modern day, trauma dump bullshit into it and totally kill the entire franchise.
All they had to do was write the story like 2005, game elements from origins and 2, and incorporate some things that made other RPGs like BG3 so huge and bam, instant hit.
Nope, had a bunch of talent-less idiots who didn't even like the franchise decide they knew how to write the story better, injected their fanfiction, and ruined it forever.
I heard that some of the lead writers got fired a few months before the game got released and taken over by some who actually had some talent, and the ending of the game is actually good.
Too bad I'll never play it cause of the cringe ass moments shown by party members I can't even kill off cause I'm forced to be a wholly good guy, and I enjoy playing the good guy in RPGs!
Nah, if you go waaay out of your way to kill off the lame party members, or don't do their stupid quests, you don't get the whole story. What a shit game.
Veilguard is so far from being a Dragon Age game that I was actually able to somewhat enjoy it by pretending it was a spinoff of the series, I gave it the Mass Effect Andromeda treatment lol
I hate how Dragon Age was the prime exemple of a good woke game and they made it into woke slop, i'm calling that an inside job at this point it can't be just incompetence
Bioware has lost all of their writing talent and I don't think that's something they can recover from. Like Origins is a fantastic RPG but are you playing because the mechanics are good or because it has a compelling narrative and we'll written characters? I know which one kept me there. And with the loss of all their talent, I just don't think we're getting another one, especially while they're overseen by EA.
Real. The first time I have played Dragon Age Origin back when it released it actually blew me away. I was thinking this could be the future of the RPG genre and then nope it just keeps getting worse DAO/A and 2 feels like the only Dragon Age, (heck 2 was even received poorly because of how good was DAO/A compared to 2 but looking back 2 is better than the last Dragon age games
I played 2 like 6-8 times over before I finally got bored of it. The story was actually really great and I liked how it all took place only in a huge city.
Yes, they did screw up hard with how much they reused the same dungeons over and over and over again, but the story and characters along with the good combat system really brought me back.
Still remember spending like 30 minutes trying to defeat the arishok with a mage character. Seriously, that fight sucks if you're not melee!
DA2 had the best combat system IMO out of all the games, they had it perfect and then screwed it up in inquisition. I'm still annoyed to this day they took out healing spells for a limited amount of potions.
I mean yea it was kinda cool in inquisition you could use certain abilities or spells to get 'armor' on your heathbar, but you really couldn't build it proper to protect yourself until much later in the game.
I'm old school RPG, I like having a healer class in there to support the group as healers are my favorite class next to a paladin with sword and board. Making it a warrior/rogue/mage only game really killed it for me. No idea in Failguard if they brought healing spells back or not, I'll never find out just cause of how much they shitted up one of my favorite franchises.
They even killed off the coolest character in the whole franchise, Varric, cause he was too cool for the chalk eaters that were making the game.
They had Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill all together and there will never ever be the same opportunity again.
Lore wise, everything those characters worked for in the original trilogy got undone. I liked episode 7 and 8 by the way, but 9 just felt like pure fan fiction.
I'll give you that 7 was alright. I think the only part of 8 I liked was the warp scene. Or was that the third? Idk. It was super cinematic and gorgeous.
The First Order has always felt so bizarre to me. It's like you said, the new trilogy just completely undid all the progress Luke, Leia, and Han accomplished.
Like, they went through all that effort, started as plucky underdogs, to defeat the Empire and free the galaxy from tyranny.
And then we get The Force Awakens and somehow the New Republic is destroyed in an instant by and even bigger and scarier death star and now we get plucky young rebel- scratch that, RESISTANCE fighters to fight against the tyranny of the First Order.
Say what you will about the prequels, at least they were unique from the OT and had a very different story to tell. The New Trilogy's story is just more of the same of the OT.
Buddy, I love the prequel trilogy but even I can tell you there was a lot wrong with those movies. The most egregious problem was very much the dialogue and character writing in general.
RotS was the best of the three prequels, but even it suffered from cringy af dialogue writing.
Then there is the personal taste things like people didn't like the over reliance on blue screen vfx. I personally didn't mind it but I can understand why they'd want more real visuals.
Or the complaints about how the fight scenes were more like dances because they were so over the top choreographed. Again, I actually quite liked the more dance-like fight scenes to Luke or Rey swinging around the lightsaber like a baseball bat.
And the overall pace of the trilogy does seem kind of weird and rushed. Like, why does it go from the big war finally begins at the end of the second movie to then have the war be over by the very start of the third movie. They introduced Count Dooku as the supposed big bad, and then merked him in the first twenty minutes of RotS.
Of course, it all makes more sense when you have the Clone Wars TV show in the middle helping you get more context, but movies should be able to stand on their own as a complete narrative.
Fair complaints. But mathematically being a top half mainline Star Wars film means 4 of them are better than average.
That means a sequel or prequel HAS to get picked out of the trash. I dont think anyone denies RotS is the best prequel, and I personally don't hate TFA. I said when it released and still believe today that ANH2 is what the normies needed, and TLJ is fine as its own animal. I hate it as a Star Wars movie but concede that if it wasn't part of the greater universe it would be decent, I guess.
Which of the 3 do you pick to be #4 in the rankings? For me its RotS hands down but debate can be made for TFA or TLJ. It ain't 1/2/9 thats for damn sure.
Supposedly Lucas wanted to write about Leia starting with managing a new government based on how Iran was. Something I’ve heard said is that each trilogy was supposed to be its own “genre” as its at different points in the history of the galaxy. People don’t like the prequels because it’s more political and different, so they just wanted more of the same as the OG trilogy.
People don’t think the prequels are “Star Wars” because they aren’t the original trilogy, but being different was exactly what Star Wars was. I’m parroting other people here but it’s interesting to think about. If Lucas was kicked out after the OG we’d probably have 12 movies all structured the same as the first 3
He also said for the sequels he wanted to do a fantastic voyage style into someone's body to see midiclorians. An idea so weird and stupid I just don't even know what to make of it.
The First Order has always felt so bizarre to me. It's like you said, the new trilogy just completely undid all the progress Luke, Leia, and Han accomplished.
Yeah, could you imagine hundreds of thousands of people dying in the war against a fascist empire… only for fascism to rise again right under their noses mere decades later?
I didn't touch a Metal Gear game for years after the abrupt ending in The Phantom Pain, not even bothering to explain itself. Left such a bad taste in my mouth.
On one hand Kojima shouldn't have expected to just overstep the budget and face no repercussions, on the other I can't really understand Konami axing a project of such a beloved franchise that was spearheaded by the dude that made them oceans of cash. Why couldn't they just see it through?
Just wish Lara wasn't such a dumbass who can't pack her shit properly and we have to start from 0 in every game. Also, her being all "magic isn't real" despite seeing supernatural shit all the time. I understand it when Indiana Jones does it, the movies paved the way for that genre after all but why are we doing that in 2010s? And they tried to humanize Lara by having a few cry scenes only for her to revert into killing machine mode a few seconds later. The third game was mainly carried by the exploration and archaeology because the story was beyond meh.
revert into killing machine mode a few seconds later
Funny you mention that because Tomb Raider is the only game I remember where the character actually addresses this. She is explicitly worried that she doesn't feel anything.
Surprised to see LiS mentioned here of all places, but... yeah, this is the best example in my mind. I've seen a lot of franchises go downhill and release worse and worse entries over time, but none have actually pissed me off the way Double Exposure did.
I didn't care that they kept milking it as long as they made a standalone story. But making a direct sequel to the first story without any of the original creators was a disgrace.
I loved the first seasons of Steven Universe but eventually the writing just seemed too juvenile for me and I was definitely not the target demographic in terms of age. What else changed?
I think it was the combo of the same super-invasive DRM from Eternal and an $80 price tag that hurt it. Having watched a playthrough, it honestly looks like a super solid game with a ton of work and passion put into it. Kinda sad but oh well
I've only heard its slow paced and a little wonky to jump into after the other Dooms, but nothing too terrible. I'm sure the price tag didn't help it either.
You can literally increase the game speed. You should stop listening to people who just parrot what they think is the in thing to say without actually knowing what they are talking about
How does that work, like just a built in speed multiplier?
I can only go off what I heard around release, since the price put me off til a major sale. A lot of streamers were complaining about it feeling slow and clunky, so if the setting isnt super obvious or it feels weird I wouldn't blame that on them, just the devs.
It literally makes EVERYTHING faster (cut scenes and dialog included). Just a % slider that goes from like 50-200% (IIRC, I usually slap it at 130% for Eternal like speeds)
TDA is a solid bookend to the trilogy and I can’t wait for the DLC and mater levels to drop
I think it's the same deal as when Eternal came out where people were quick to obsess over "which is better?", so most people end up sticking with the game they are familiar with already
It works on Linux the last time I heard anything, though maybe some distros have problems? All the complaining I heard about was 1000 series GPUs not working
the reboot only means the games from 2016 onward. doom 3 wasn't really forgotten, and if anything it was the reason the new games are the way that they are (alongside the abysmal reception to the original doom 4 concept a.k.a "call of doom")
Agreed, they didn't retcon anything from what I recall (i haven't played Ragnarok though), and it's a great sequel imo, with references from the past games, great character development and overall fun mechanics
Resident evil too. They’re really consistent. I loved the time trialness of 5 and having a partner although obviously it was very fast action not suspense horror. The newest stuff was a real return to basics.
I liked the 2 and 3 remakes but I can't get behind the first person ones. It all seemed too..detached from the sciencey angle they were going with. Like, they're good games but they don't feel like resident evil.
Idk. It just felt more..closer to like silent hill or something. And village is just a bunch of fuckery slapped together. Again, not a bad game by any means. Just not as RE as the originals.
Series which was notorious for its brutality and high action scenes devolved into lame pg13 movie, with typical sony "gamedesign" for the smartest gamers.
I agree god of war was ruined. Reboot of it is solid for different reasons but it got changed in ways that ruin the original. Even the original creator hates the reboot lol
I think he’s trying to say that the process of Kratos realizing how being a father requires a softer king of strength, and coming to terms with the absolute ragebeast he used to be somehow makes him soy? Realistically, that guy is either joking or a pretty mentally/emotionally weak person irl, since most ACTUAL “strong people” exercise a lot of control over themselves
Transformers is more or less okay, the continuities are a bit weird at times, but it’s very rarely “this is how it is now that there’s a new series/new publisher”, it’s more just “New universe, new continuity. No relation to the last series.”
Doctor Who. And this is coming from someone who's been a whovian for 10+ yrs: I've stopped watching ever since Disney got their grubby, greedy mitts on it. It used to be so, so, so good, but now there's annoying, childish musical numbers. And this is coming from someone who likes musicals! There's so much nostalgia baiting, too. (Ngl, the only good that came out of the nostalgia baiting was the episode Wild Blue Yonder, which was fantastic) It's just disappointing. This show saved me from a really dark time in my life, and its sad to see what the HellHouse of Mouse has done to it.
Childish musical numbers have been a thing in the series since at least 2005, they just went over the top with it once RTD took back the showrunner seat.
Chibnall's last special has the Master dancing to Boney M (with a Dalek & Cyberman looking at each other in confusion)
ngl my interest in doctor who started waning towards the tail end of 12 (everything that happened in that one series post-clara), and this worsened dramatically into the beginning of 13's era. i completely dropped the series on the rosa parks episode because i felt like they took my favourite element (the scifi) out of doctor who - with the only thing left being twitter-approved plots and just straight-up social commentary (as opposed to the social commentary allegories disguised as sci-fi that dominated most of the previous series).
it's like they started caring about the optics more than the actual plot, which just sucks :/
Tried watching some of the specials with David Tennet but when one someone had to school, the doctor about an aliens perfered pronouns I lost all interest. Not to mention the "male presenting timelord" comment.
I'm super pro LGBTQ and their representation, but it was so shoe horned in i just had to roll my eyes.
RTD is getting high off his own farts. He removed Davros' wheelchair because he "didn't want to portray disabled people as evil". The only thing this brain dead decision did was remove one of the most iconic cosplay options for people in wheelchairs.
I will say this, I thought Chibnall (writer for Jodie's stint) was terrible, truly awfful, and the first episode in Tennant's arc was VERY poorly done for the reasons you mentioned, the second episode was one of the best of the entire series. We stopped watching after that, as all of the reviews were pretty unanimous that RTD had lost a bit of his luster since he was originally in charge, but I would recommend the second episode highly. Just Tennant and Tate being brilliant.
See this one is interesting to me because when the doctor first regenerated into a woman a lot of people raised their eyebrows. A lot where just being hateful but there where many who thought this was attention grabbing and not a good idea, the sad thing is many people where like “next there will be a disabled gay black doctor” or “now it will all be LGBT crap”, and it seems the writers took that as a general suggestion and actually went and did that.
I am pro LGBT+ and women etc as should anyone. However it rubbed me the wrong way because it essentially validated so many people’s complaints about race and gender swapping or other things that entertainment sometimes does to established characters. It really comes across like the writers purposefully want to stir controversy and it’s sad.
Like no one cared before, red in Shawshank is originally white and Morgan smashed that out of the park and no one cared.
Also the writing in Dr Who is plain embarrassing since the changes which has done it no favors at all.
Nick Fury was white in the comic books and Samuel L Jackson crushed that role. Race, gender, sexual orientation aren’t the issue. It’s forcing poor writing for the sake of diversity points or whatever
in this case they were basing his portrayal on the Ultimate Marvel version of Nick Fury... who was modelled 1:1 on Samuel L Jackson (so close, in fact, that when Jackson sued for unauthorized use of his likeness he settled with Marvel by requiring that he play the role if it ever comes to screen)
I mean if that it's the case, then it's far worse for Dragon Age. That was really a shit show, Andromeda was like mediocre but pales in comparison of what Veilguard did to Dragon age
Huh, I was gonna say that mass effect all came after the ea acquisition, but the first was actually before they were acquired.
I'm not a huge ME fan, but I was under the impression that ME2 was the fan favourite, 3 was good aside from the terrible ending and Andromeda was a surprisingly awful piece of shit, but people were originally hyped for, until it released and they saw it.
I never played Andromeda, after 3, that was enough mass effect for me
Imo, giving Andromeda to a B-Team was the biggest mistake. There's no way this new title will be able to respect all the choices players made back in 3. Andromeda's set up basically meant they didn't need to worry about the choices in the trilogy. But with Andromeda flopping, now they'll go back to whatever knows instead.
I was banned like 6 years ago from the subreddit for "brigaiding and karmafarming" when complaining about the direction MTG was going. Had a whole laundry list of predictions and so far every one of them has come true. Just waiting for the total collapse at this point.
Im glad I don’t play competitive so I just don’t have to buy those sets. I got into the game a few years ago and immediately gravitated towards Cube because I realized it meant I could just pick and choose from 30 years of cards and ignore the rest. That format will continue long after WOTC gets liquidated so Hasbro can juice their share price for another quarter.
Bigtime. They're abusing the hell out of Universes Beyond to the point where by 2026 more UB sets will have been made than canon MTG sets. Plus the art has slowly gone downhill in favor of a slightly cartoony vibe. MTG has become the Fortnite of TCGs.
LoTR. They made Tom Bombadil a completely different character and for some reason, Galadriel forgot she was married to Celeborn and has the hots for Sauron.
Everyone wants franchises to last forever and never go a direction they don't like or for the quality to dip. Sometimes they need to let shows die and move on to new stories
In a perfect world, guess every franchise would en at its height. Until we get there I guess we have to draw the line ourselves. I'm so sick of movie youtubers saying nothing of quality is made anymore when all the watch is Star Wars, superheroes movies and the flavor of the month.
Same goes for games. Halo should have died or did good spinoffs like Reach and ODST after 3. Mass Effect should have ended after 3 and I have zero faith in 4.
Tons of books to draw from and a vast area of space for new materials without the drawing from the books.
Instead we get a pre TOS show that has hyper advanced tech that is so advanced when they travel to the far future it's still more advanced. Not to mention Star Trek has/had canon reasons things where the way were or looked that was completely ignored.
Then we get Star Trek Picard they didn't draw from the books either. Season 2 Borg friendly season 3 borg bad again. Also here's the Luna class that was rebuilt into the nostalgia-Constitution class. See we follow the original series don't be mad at us.
The coalition and Gears of War. The first 3 games by epic were amazing start to finish and hold some of my best memories ever. Once the coalition took over the muliplayer went from a more tactical cover based shooter to everybody sprints around 24/7 looking for kills. Also don't even get me started on the writing in 4 and 5 omg they suck so bad.
I would argue a bit with the premise. Most franchises that actually change hands are well taken care of because the people who buy them did so in part because they cared about them. The ones that get really messed up are the ones that originate with a large corporations and stay with that corporation as it grows, merges with larger corporations, and loses both the original creatives who invented the franchise and/or any moral compass it may have had.
After the first game, Square Enix basically handed over the IP to a dev company that had only ever made a ragdoll throwing sim (PAIN) and Neopets spinoffs... And then proceeded to pump out a million other poorly made games using scab voice actors to strikebreak and dollar brand graphics artists
Now the series is basically just Pandering Simulator anyway so it never really improved. Newest entry completely shits all over the first game as well
Star Wars was messed up before George Lucas even gave up control (Han shot first!)
Warhammer 40k except again the company didn't sell off the rights they just hired a bunch of morons.
The Witcher TV series after Season 1, and then even faster once Henry Cavil was on the way out. (though from the start it was plagerism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkiP64adGjY but I don't care about that so much as I care about them destroying all the elements they copied that were making it an epic story)
Spider-Man PS4 is a great game with a largely fantastic story (bar a few dumb points) but Miles Morales and Spider-Man 2 are a trainwreck story-wise. The gameplay arguably became better but 2 stripped largely any stealth gameplay and replaced them with the redundant abilities (which basically just meant the symbiote because why would you bother with the main ones once you had the symbiote?)
For having 2 main characters the story being less than 20 hours is criminal, no one gets any real earned development and any advancement of character is shown as an event, not a natural progression. Case in point, Martin Li is suddenly not so bad of a guy after wanting to poison the city like a year ago and helps Spider-Man out of nowhere. Or Kraven allegedly wanting to have a fierce 1v1 with Spider-Man yet bringing a whole band of cronies to kill them for him.
Beyond this, the game’s just flat-out wasted potential and reeks of poor direction and understanding about what made the original game great. People really disliked the non-Spider-Man sections and wanted them gone, the solution? Double down on it and completely break any immersion by letting MJ one shot any guy that it would take Spider-Man a flurry of punches to do. People wanted more side content for the Spider-Men to tackle, the solution? Effectively halve the amount that each of them get and make the ones they do get largely God-awful like any of the school side quests for Miles, and don’t get me started on the pivotal mission where we play as Miles’ deaf gf (that’s her whole personality btw) and graffiti a few things. It’s all just so unnecessary and frankly baffling with how much potential these characters have.
That’s just the surface, the wasted potential of multiple villains, the unfinished storylines, the character assassination, etc. runs rampant. The game is my personal definition of style over substance, and was massively disappointing for me.
wortwortwort227@reddit
Fallout
Morgaiths@reddit
Bethesda saved Fallout, it was outdated and mid tier shit before.
MrCockingFinally@reddit
Fallout is more like:
We made 2 decent games, and begrudgingly let Obsidian make an actually great one.
Now be a good boy, and play Fallout 76, be sure to spend at the ATOM SHOP! Until we feel like shitting out fallout 5 sometime in the 2030s.
No, we will NOT be giving Obsidian another shot, no need to get shown up AGAIN.
Alexzander1001@reddit
Its the fladerisation of the series thats killing it for ne
MrCockingFinally@reddit
What do you mean?
Like I know what Flanderization is. Why do you think it's happening to fallout?
Sec_Chief_Blanchard@reddit
I just googled what flanderization is and I think it very much does apply to Fallout. They're all good games imo (except FO:BoS), but since Fallout 3, the franchise has leaned very heavily into the 1950s aesthetic and keeps rehashing the same factions over and over making the world seem really small.
MrCockingFinally@reddit
Ah! I see what you mean. Guess we're splitting hairs, but Flanderization means a character turns into a parody of itself.
Which IMO hasn't happened to fallout.
But it definitely does seem like Bethesda struggles to come up with original ideas. Or at least is scared to make a game without any "core" parts of the franchise. (BOS, mutants, deathclaws, power armour) It feels like Bethesda had a really good idea of what to lift from the OG games and how to adopt it into 3D, but sort of ran out of stuff to steal.
cortez_brosefski@reddit
The BoS and Enclave are definitely parodies of themselves. So are Super Mutants especially. The whole aesthetic is a parody of itself now, that's the most blatant one
Moraxiw@reddit
The 1950s retro futurism is where the flanderization happened.
When Tim Cain originally came up with it, it was just supposed to be a funny little gag. "The positivity of the 50s vision of the future mixed with the pessimism of the 80s future vision." that's it, just chuckle and move on. The people of the wasteland have their own culture divorced from that, they really don't know shit about anything pre-war.
Now all the music is from the 50s. The gangs are references to groups from the 50s. Characters will talk with pin point accuracy of celebrities from the 50s. The devs are constantly nudging you going "Get it!? Do you get it!? It's like the 50s! Ahhh, you get it, don't you!"
BillyNoHands@reddit
It used to be “What would happen if the world that people in the 50s thought the future would be like went through a nuclear apocalypse?”
Now it’s almost “What if the 50s had a nuclear apocalypse? Add mutants and robots.”
Trancetastic16@reddit
Yup, even the Fallout TV series is going to use actual ‘50s replica cars (according to fans taking photos of sets in Los Angeles) instead of “1950s styled futuristic fusion-powered cars” as they were always supposed to be.
Mitchel-256@reddit
Perfect summation.
WillTheWilly@reddit
To be fair, 76 has its pros and cons;
Pros:
New joinable factions, I think the BoS will always have a spot in fallout games, perhaps they shouldn’t lean much into next time and have them be a side faction like in NV. Same with the Enclave.
The Free Staters and Responders as factions are cool new additions.
And you can even become a raider, never seen before.
Online, you can play fallout with your pals, or on your own, and the community is nice enough to leave you to your own devices unlike GTA Online.
Cons:
Atom shop, pay to win.
Retcons on gear, such as the NCR Ranger equipment, although its riot police gear by lore, it has no place in West Virginia
Alexzander1001@reddit
The series is getting goofier and the moving towards the retro futuristic so much that it doesnt feel grounded.
sizzlemac@reddit
I remember Tim Cain talking about how during the development of Fallout 1 the 2 main rules that the dev team put into place were:
We can't reference things that wouldn't make sense in the future or make jokes that were too out there (Which is why Fallout 1 has the driest humor in the series since it would be a terribly bleak game without it)
Real People. Real Problems. (The quests in Fallout 1 felt like things that could happen just with a post apocalyptic twist)
Fallout 2 changed everything when Black Isle took over and the funniest thing is that people always say that that game was the best (Old) Fallout game came out. While I like 2 since it is a better game functionally than 1 was, it was the game that started the snowball effect of Fallout being incredibly wacky. Bethesda just continued with what 2 started humor and tone-wise unfortunately.
runswithclippers@reddit
It’s very much retreading all the ideas set out in earlier games without innovating on them or offering other arguments: - what makes us human? - maybe technofascism isnt a good idea? - gee super-mutants sure are evil arent they? - gee vault tech sure was evil, weren’t they? - gee the US goverment sure was evil, weren’t they?
The first 2 games and NV are about lots of different things and offer a lot of nuance to their arguments. The Bethesda games are very milquetoast and offer little nuance with very clear “good” and “bad” sides, and is obsessed with the Brotherhood of Steel.
anthonycarbine@reddit
The Bethesda fallouts also can't go 30 seconds without one of the characters mentioning the great war. Is that all that really happened in the last 200+ years of history? Either that or there's a radio song talking specifically about nuclear fallout. I think it's another reason lots of fans really love New Vegas. It's confident in its own world it created and doesn't feel the need to constantly remind the player that a nuclear apocalypse just happened.
SullyAddams@reddit
Yet also in Fallout 4 they have the very clear good/bad sides, but their way to "mix it up" is that every side except the Minutemen screw you over or treat you like a nobody by the end of the game. And the Minutemen are boring.
PlonixMCMXCVI@reddit
Every single protagonist needs to come from a vault.
There will be the BOS in the new region even tho it was supposed to be destroyed decades ago.
People will not have yet rebuilt a large nation even if 250 years have passed since the bomb fell. People will still scavenge for food and just a few may cultivate.
Fallout New Vegas feels like a real successor because we can see how society continued to develop and now we had two nation waging war. It wasn't just a single city closed in a stadium having raider problems.
Dontgersococky@reddit
Brotherhood of Steel, supermutants, bottlecaps, Enclave, goofier and goofier Vault-tec experiments - Bethesda just shoves Fallout iconography in their games with no rhyme or reason, which makes the world feel small and flat
micahamey@reddit
TBF obsidian is a memory of a hollow husk of its former self. Obsidian is just a name now. No one there actually gives a fuck about making a good game. They care more about politics now than actual game development.
I'm not even talking about some like woke or anti-woke crap. I just mean they went crazy about who played their games and told everyone to fuck off.
MrCockingFinally@reddit
Let's see. Several of their recent games such as the outer worlds didn't have AAA budgets. So let's see what they do with outer worlds 2.
micahamey@reddit
I'm always willing to be surprised but I've stopped expecting much.
Matt_2504@reddit
1 and 2 are great, new Vegas isn’t
SullyAddams@reddit
On top of that, they tried so hard to sabotage Obsidian with an extremely short deadline. Despite some noticeable bugs, they handed in what most fans now consider a masterpiece and the face of the series.
Decryptables@reddit
Why do you think they tried to sabotage Obsidian? They could’ve just not have made the deal if they didn’t want the game to come out, and it’s not like Obsidian didn’t agree to the deadline as well…
Apollo11211@reddit
You will get completely fucking obliterated with downvotes if you even hint at this on any fallout/new vegas subs. The fact that ZERO of the new game mechanics introduced in FNV were carried over to later games and that's the MAIN THING people complained about when 4 came out is all the proof I need. And I dare to wonder if Obsidian were allowed to actually finish the game, would Todd even have a job?
MrCockingFinally@reddit
What wasn't carried over?
Skill checks in dialogue got throw out. But the very concept of dialogue as a way to roleplay also got thrown out.
And some mechanics were expanded on, e.g. weapon mods.
Apollo11211@reddit
The entire skill/skill check system from FO3/NV was tossed for a vague system of perks based only on SPECIAL, ammo crafting and special loads tossed, the weapon wear system and weapon repair kits binned, armor wear tossed except for PA, temporary skill magazines binned, skill books tossed in favor of perk magazines, truly unique endings and factions tossed, challenging DLCs that hold you captive binned, lever action guns tossed(except that stupid broken POS from Far Harbor), I could go on.
I like FO4, I have around 500 hours across 2.5 playthroughs, it is by no means a bad game, or even a bad Fallout game, but for some people to pretend that meetings weren't held early in development about how Bethesda could distance their new product from the FO3/NV era and the great achievements of Obsidian in NV is some of the densest cope imaginable. They clearly got owned in their own IP and thought "better to bin the whole RPG concept and turn it into a looter shooter." There's roughly 12x as many people playing NV than 3 right now and it's been 5x to 10x consistently for the last 15 years. I don't know who's dumber, people who think those meetings and their results didn't happen, or some version of Todd and Co. who pretended they didn't get pwnd by Obsidian. It should also be said that over half the game content was cut when Bethesda told them to pinch it off because of the potential effects of the competed game.
fenian1798@reddit
I don't disagree with any of what you've said, but just to be pedantic, FO4 does actually have ammo crafting. It's just inferior to FNV and also DLC paywalled. You can craft bullets and even make ammo factories/machines, but AFAIK you can't make different types of bullets (e.g. hollow points) for most guns. However there are a few non-firearm weapons you can craft different ammo types for. Like the water pistol, acid sprayer, fat man launcher, syringer, different grenade types, etc.
Gullible_Fruit7899@reddit
you answered your own question.
and also: different ammo types, multiple endings for different factions/towns, reputation system (and reputation dialogue checks), faction disguise system (which was very flawed but could've been expanded upon), actual unique weapon variants, and i think the list goes on but that's what comes to mind rn
Drunk_Krampus@reddit
/>hardcore more was expanded upon and turned into survival mode.
/>Crafting was also carried over and expanded />Companion quest.
/>Companion perks.
/>Companion commands
/>Fo4 even replaced a main villain with a faction conflict just like NV
What NEW mechanic that was introduced in NV didn't get carried over?
UglyInThMorning@reddit
The first two games are legitimately great but they’re hard to play if you didn’t play them decades ago just because of the 90’s UI stuff (and slow battles). Incredibly designed with deep combat and quests
VengineerGER@reddit
To be fair Obsidian is equally cooked as Bethesda is now. The people who made FNV left long ago. We are never getting another good Fallout game, the franchise is effectively dead.
ConscientiousPath@reddit
they made 2 decent games, but the original 2 from Interplay were all time great games, so yes they screwed it up from the start
Mr_Evanescent@reddit
I don’t want Obsidian to have another shot at all. FNV is one of my favorite games of all time but after Avowed and Outer Worlds I’m not convinced they still have the recipe for the special sauce
Old_Ad_71@reddit
Haven't played Avowed yet, but I hear what you're saying. Not that Outer Worlds was a bad game, it was definitely a solid B. But, like, comparing it to Fallout NV and KOTOR II, I was expecting Outer Worlds to be so fucking great.
A chance for Obsidian to finally be able to cook on a game and not have to crank one out for EA on a deadline.
And it was just meh. Not bad, but not great.
Mr_Evanescent@reddit
I excitedly picked up Outer Worlds on release and was just so… whelmed. Like obviously they have the humor and irreverence there but it just lacked substance. It was like one of the late night shows with Fallon - some jokes hit, pretty funny bits on occasion but just as deep as a puddle. Avowed I had lower expectations for and it didn’t really meet those either
buttstuffisokiguess@reddit
I never played new Vegas as much as 3 and 4. Idk why, but I couldn't get into it. Not that it was bad, persey, but I just wasn't as enthusiastic about playing it.
Beefmytaco@reddit
Fallout 4 was only announced and pushed out the door ASAP cause bethesda fucked up hard with the paid mod fiasco of 2014.
I still remember them trying to blame the whole thing on valve, but we all knew it was them, and they're still trying to this very day.
Substantial-Cat2896@reddit
Fallot 3 expanded a great deal on enclave
Triplex_Gg@reddit
Something that bothers me is that everything seems like the bomb were dropped yesterday. Besides FO76 the bombs dropped 200+ years ago but they refuse to make something that leans more into the depth of the world they have.
rigorcorvus@reddit
Explain
EccentricNerd22@reddit
Bethesda makes shit lore, shit games, and shit designs for stuff.
ZachF8119@reddit
So you could only muster to play new Vegas?
This elitist view needs to die. It’s pathetic.
Fallout 1 and 2 were great. 3 was an impeccable modernizing. New Vegas fit well, but you’re looking at it as the best Pokémon the same way everyone does to their “first Pokémon”. Fallout 4 tried to push things, but I feel like play testing should’ve been enough to show the settlements couldn’t function well when they always need saving and even ones with every single companion would stay wrecked. 76 was a very realistic response to the fact is in a weird space where mobile games can out earn a triple a for more years with a sliver of a budget.
How fromsoftware manages to, I have no idea outside of grand manipulation of memes and social media marketing. Yet souls like are the new hotness, so maybe it was the best combination of skills, know how and business people.
Legiyon54@reddit
I failed to see why you think that liking fallout 12NV while trashing bethesda fallout is elitist? I do that too, because vethesda fallout is bottom tier writing when you stop to think about what is being presented. F3 was good, innovative, I liked it fine. But writing and worldbuilding (thing I care about most) was trash and thus I never wanted to replay it. Fallout 4 I played for 10 hours before realizing I can't take it anymore. Meanwhile FNV is in my top 5 fav games of all time and F1 and 2 are up there
It doesn't make me, or us (hough I can't speak for everyone), elitist that we focus on other aspects of the game. I mainly care about immersisng myself in an rpg I am playing and enjoying the world it created and I rate it based on how believeable I think it is. Bethesda Fallout fails utterly in this regard for me. Thus, I can't speak highly of it. And the only reason I, or we, bring it up so much is because noe the whole franchise is defined by Bethesda, instead of Interplay or Obsidian, or any of the writers. It's sad that the world I liked is completely warped into something I don't like, and I think my opinion is valid
Drunk_Krampus@reddit
No, but liking fallout 1 and 2 without ever having played them makes you ignorant. Fo2 had just as bad, if not worse writing than the average Bethesda game. Why do New Vegas fans always pretend to be classic fans?
Legiyon54@reddit
Can you give me an example of fo2 writing (that isn't treated as a joke) that's as dumb as fridge kid
ZachF8119@reddit
It’s because they think their rose colored glasses view of the new Vegas series is based in a taste for “superior writing” when they also like the writing that allowed fantastic to exist which anyone with I of higher than 2 should realize he’s dumb as a box of rocks.
While I like the game the missile defense plot of it all is such a bad one.
Why doesn’t reality have that as a reflective response to nuclear missiles?
It just doesn’t work well enough. In reality the yesmen wouldn’t have all been pristine. Their coding wouldn’t have been exhaustingly perfect.
prussianghostbuster@reddit
This is just ragebait at this point, someone cannot be this stupid.
dragonbl3e@reddit
Fallout 3 was impeccable in modernising? You fr rn? Fallout 3 is barely a Fallout game (if we compare it to f1/f2). I mean, they focused on the action rather than the story
ZachF8119@reddit
Fallout 1-2 was nothing like fo3
Lots of games during the 64 bit era tried to go from 2-2.5d to 3 d and didn’t do it well enough to stay a franchise.
BrandNewtoSteam@reddit
Dude fallout at that point was dead in the water. If it wasn’t for f3 being modernized fallout wouldn’t exist anymore
EccentricNerd22@reddit
Fromsoftware knows what their audience likes and how far they can stretch the envelope to attract more casual people without ruining the formula like they did with Elden Ring.
Bethesda just dumbs everything down (Fallout 4, Starfield, Fallout 76) in order to sell to braindead streamer type gamers who don't want to actually think or be challenged and just want cool visuals. When the story writer of Bethesda says one of his core principles for writing is to keep everything super simple you know that these people aren't interesting in making games for people with brains.
ZachF8119@reddit
Legendary equipment hit the same wacky fun that you got from going from gta 4 to saints row.
The game doesn’t take itself too seriously by allowing different play styles.
We literally got to see a futuristic wooden battleship fly through the Boston sky.
Fallout 76 gave everyone exactly what it is like to play fallout with people. It’s just not the same. Just like ESO being to far off from the main elder scrolls.
True fans want these things for more lore and content. You’re not a fan of the series you just like the game you played when you were 14-15 and wanna feel like that again.
Starfield wasn’t for me, if I played it more I’d have more of an opinion.
EccentricNerd22@reddit
You aren't a true fan if you don't just mindlessly consume and glaze every title in the series is certainly a take. You sound like one of those people who buys COD games every year.
Bethesda fanboys are so devoid of taste it's not even funny.
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
Agree with everything, but I love Todd as a personality and meme.
Augustus_Chevismo@reddit
They blew up the NCR
MikeGianella@reddit
The OG studio did two games then shut down. Bethesda bought the franchise, did a game that got it mainstream recognition, they got the guys from the old studio and gave them the chance to make one last game with the engine Bethesda did and it was the indisputed magnum opus of the series, and said old team went their separate ways once it was done. It was all downhill from there, as they made a meh game and a shit game and was it not because they did a successful TV series the franchise would be all but dead.
All things considered, not a bad run. People give Bethesda lots of shit but it could have been a lot worse.
Cliff_Excellent@reddit
Probably thinks every game after Fallout 2 is ass
Quitthesht@reddit
I really hate how Bethesda interprets 'War Never Changes' to mean 'rehash the same groups and factions regardless of how non-sensical it becomes'.
Hence why the NCR >!is nuked by!< Vault-Tec who are now major players in the wasteland again (instead of being a dead pre-war faction whose ghost is affecting the world centuries after it's death), The Enclave, which was exterminated twice, somehow have another massive base with seemingly limitless resources and the fucking Brotherhood of Steel keep showing up even when it doesn't make sense for them to be there (they retconned the BoS origins so they could use them in Fallout 76 and they somehow got an airship between F3 & F4 so the same group could get to Boston from DC real quick)
Affectionate-Cod4152@reddit
Lord of the Rings.
matt_Nooble12_XBL@reddit
Rings of Power isn’t canon
seeyagatorr@reddit
It should be shot out of a cannon as far from humanity as possible.
akgogreen@reddit
Why do people hate it so much? Ive been enjoying it
Hyperversum@reddit
Because a 3rd generation Elf Lady that saw the Light of the Two Trees wouldn't act like that.
Sauron isn't some kind of sexy manipulator conman, he is a literal angelic being that made a country start doing human sacrifices to honour his fallen Master. Because the Istari weren't around till well into the 3rd Age. Because Orcs (while not fully developed by Tolkien in a single concept, as he was still working with them into his later years) aren't some sad puppy species pushed around by Sauron, they revel in destruction and violence even on their own as they are distorted forms of life corrupted by the Satan equivalent of the world.
RoP is just using the names and narrative of Tolkien to write their own random fantasy stuff.
It's not even fanfic level because "fanfic" implies a degree of respect towards the original narrative and characters.
jamtrone@reddit
Couldn't have but it better.
I can accept some of the "changes", the original trilogy had more than its fair share, but sticking Gandalf in the middle of the second age is just a blatant contradiction to the lore.
dont_tread_on_M@reddit
I and most people would have ignored these deviations from the lore if they served a purpose in a good plot line. But, no, they were there just for the sake of being there. They stuck Gandalf in, just because people know him.
jamtrone@reddit
100%, like I said the original trilogy did that pretty frequently, but it did it in a way that was still respectful to the source material. RoP just fucks around with no reason so they can name drop people that have no business name dropping
dont_tread_on_M@reddit
Idk, maybe because of the cringe dialogue, the storyline which makes no sense, the disregard of the lore, the bad acting
26_paperclips@reddit
This is an interesting one because they are very aware of the lore and are very cautious about which of tolkein's works they borrow from -- they do not have the film rights to all of his books.
I think the obvious solution would be to decide which stories they want to adapt, and then pursue those rights specifically, but executives are not known for thinking ahead.
Not saying I disagree, just that the situation is nuanced.
I do disagree with the bad acting comment -- morfydd Clark and Lloyd Owen are fantastic actors when you give them a good script to work from.
dont_tread_on_M@reddit
As for the lore, you aren't defending it either, so it isn't really worth debating it in my opinion.
As for the acting, it was horrible, despite the cast not being bad. I don't know if the script, the actors themselves or the directors are to blame, but it felt soulless.
Pristine-Value6965@reddit
For me, it’s nice to have more lord of the rings content but it’s just not done as well as the original trilogy, I did enjoy the war of Rohirrim though
AnnihilatorHowe@reddit
I saw people bashing because they had PoC displayed as Tolkiens races. If that's why it was mentioned ooooh boy
SullyAddams@reddit
It was so infuriating too to see Amazon start paying off media outlets to write articles that called critics of the series racist. The writing was awful and none of the major figures in the series matched how Tolkien wrote them. Nobody cared about the black elves, they cared about the writing.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
I dunno, it sure seemed like a lot of people on the internet cared about the black elves, very specifically.
CasuallyBeerded@reddit
Let’s be honest, the writing sucks, but a lot of losers cared about black elves.
CroatInAKilt@reddit
I'm a loser, and I don't mind the fact that they're black, I mind that they never showed me Middle Earthen Africa or whereever it is they hail from, cause that would be a truly refreshing spin on the franchise that has so far only explored boring temperate biomes.
CasuallyBeerded@reddit
I haven’t forced myself to rewatch season 1, but wasn’t he the singular ethnic elf? Like… if you’re cast an ethnic elf, at least include a full patrol of them.
garciawork@reddit
I did not read this firsthand, but I heard that the writers basically said "we are not sure why they gave us thus show, we have no idea what we are doing", or something to that effect. That is a great start for one of the most, if not the most, beloved fantasy series of all time.
Dog_in_human_costume@reddit
indeed, and it's shit
Nine-LifedEnchanter@reddit
The Hobbit movies aren't canon.
Ulvsterk@reddit
The Lord of the Rings cant be changed, what Tolkien wrote is the true Lord of the Rings, nothing else. The rest is fan fiction and fan arts, which can be good like some games, god tier like the Peter jackson movies or terrible like Rings of power.
katutsu@reddit
Yep. Everything that didn't come out of Tolkien's brain is just an adaptation of an his work no matter what they try to sell it as
cortez_brosefski@reddit
The only real answer is Fallout. Star Wars is still really cool overall, even if the movies weren't great
eershaya@reddit
Calling it now. Avatar the last Airbender
F1235742732@reddit
Star Wars :(
mak112112@reddit
I loved the Yuuzhan Vong/New Jedi Order books when I was a kid. It's a shame they didn't do anything with all that lore.
OctopusFarmer47@reddit
Would’ve been way more interesting then “somehow, the (empire/palpatine) has returned”
vjmdhzgr@reddit
Somehow Palpatine returned is literally a plot line from the expanded universe.
no1ofconsequencedied@reddit
And it has been considered the lowest tier of EU stories for decades. Few liked it, and even the other EU books regularly mock the event in-universe.
Opheodrys97@reddit
What does the European Union have anything to do with this?
Lukebekz@reddit
Von der Leyen is about to declare herself European Emporer
Pannbenet@reddit
The Commission decided that the plotline was cringe and financed an entire series to ridicule it.
helendill99@reddit
based EU customer protection laws at it again
ForumsDwelling@reddit
Expanded Universe ☝️🤓
NuclearLunchDectcted@reddit
Buddy, you missed the joke.
ForumsDwelling@reddit
☝️🤓
Op-Gunz@reddit
Star wars is their manuscript
Sasuga__Ainz-sama@reddit
I liked Dark Empire, personally. I loved the super weapons. And the Eclipse is my favourite ship. Tho I understand where y'all are coming from.
Skuggsja@reddit
Really? I remember the Dark Empire comics from 1991 very fondly, it had awesome art and it ushered in an era of new, cool Star Wars comic books after years of nothing.
OctopusFarmer47@reddit
Fair enough, stupid that they chose that one out of all the possible choices however
Jimmy_Schraube@reddit
If they somewhat build to it, it would be at least better than what we got. Instead we got a bunch of movies with random bullshit happening and 0 payof for anything. Kylo Ren gets defeated in the first movie. Snoke gets teased in the end and dies in the next movie. Phasma and Hux are mostly pathetic. And then they had to pull a new villain out of their ass for the last movie.
dat_GEM_lyf@reddit
“New”
InitialCold7669@reddit
People didn't like it though
EccentricNerd22@reddit
They still could have done it better though.
mischievous_shota@reddit
This. Execution makes all the difference.
toadofsteel@reddit
They did do it better than the OG books. Like, Luke having serious self doubt and a moment of slippage to the dark side himself regarding Kylo Ren isnt all that crazy, given that he wailed on his own father (after spending the entire movie being the lone voice saying Vader could be redeemed, mind you) for like a minute and a half just for threatening Leia. The idea that Luke just somehow.... logically decided the only way to stop Palpatine was to voluntarily submit to the Dark Side, is an insult to writing.
Upper_Current@reddit
Thank you. Anytime someone says the should have gone the way of the comics and novels, I point out that what Disney did was basically a copied homework... Those ideas were already shitty.
EddieFrits@reddit
Except they didn't do any of the buildup that that needed. They could have copied anything from the EU and it wouldn't have mattered because it was thrown into one movie where they had to introduce the villain and then defeat them in less than 2 and 1/2 hours. It didn't have a chance by episode 9. I don't know. Maybe Disney should have had an actual plan for the trilogy instead of just handing complete creative control to each director. I'm not saying Dark Empire was a masterpiece but I think it could have made a decent enough plot if it was the actual plan from the start and they built to it.
Sushi-DM@reddit
I think the sequel trilogy was doomed even if they listened directly to George Lucas. His outline was atrocious.
Upper_Current@reddit
Any sequel that ruined the lives and happy ending of the original trio was doomed.
If they had to make them sequels, the solution was simple: A generous time skip.
Bu then they don't get to nostalgia bait, and that's a cornerstone of all modern entertainment.
Sengfroid@reddit
Yeah, like this is a universe of holograms and lost ancient secrets and such. Could have easily just National Treasured this shit (which they already proved they could do as a good adventure franchise), and had like a trail of luke, lei and han holograms leading the main characters to the covered up truth, with an occasional "reveal it all" flashback or cliffhanger hooks about the original trio's "plan". EZ peasy, can stretch multiple movies, can still be universe shaking, and doesn't have to fuck with the Nerd Saint status of beloved original characters.
Sushi-DM@reddit
If they were generously time skipping, they should have just made a new series. The ot and prequels could remain the Skywalker saga and then we could judge a new trilogy on its own merit.
But Disney wanted to cash in on their purchase immediately and didn't bother developing any real stories.
Dovahkiin21122@reddit
They could have done something similar to the Darth Krayt comics. I remember liking that when I was a kid. Only problem is they don't get to use all the old actors,so they never would have done it.
Deletesystemtf2@reddit
The dark empire is generally considered some of the worst stuff in the legends expanded universe. It was bad then, everyone knew it was bad, and for some reason Disney decided to try it again.
National_Passage4317@reddit
The art in that comic was insane in a good way. First “artsy” comic I ever read.
acart005@reddit
And they still did it worse.
SpicySanchezz@reddit
They should have fucking explained that a bit more in the movies besides 1 single freaking line through a dialogue and nothing else lol.
NZS-BXN@reddit
Yea but if i remember the books i read right, it wasnt that trash. I went to watch episode exited to see which of all the book plots they followed. That day a fan died. I watched 8 shitfaced and didnt even bother for 9.
Zeus1131@reddit
Palpatine was cloned though there was at least some description in the EU
Kyno50@reddit
At least they explained that lol
Spud__37@reddit
Except it was like a year after episode 6 and explained quickly it was because of clones and he had already been transferring his body off screen to new bodies a few times. I know a lot of people hate on the Dark Empire storylines but I thought the part with using the force to transfer yourself to a cloned body was cool along with the force storms
DoctorNsara@reddit
Multiple times even.
TrungusMcTungus@reddit
Dark Empire has entered the chat
mak112112@reddit
They had infinite 20+ years of material but decided to be lazy and remake the original trilogy
StandardN02b@reddit
Not even lazy. They decided to be pretentious and that they were better than all of that.
Coakis@reddit
It's the type of person that would buy a Victorian house, because they like the "Victorian Style", rip out the interior regardless of it being dilapidated or not, remodel it with black and white marble all over, painting over the rest and then have the gall to say they made it better.
iwillnotcompromise@reddit
Yuuzhan Vong are power ranger level bullshit villains and are the main reason I’m happy the EU is no more.
CalculatingLao@reddit
Skill issue. Those books were fantastic. They took characters from children's books and ran them through an incredibly dark war story that moulded them into the monsters and heroes who made the next twenty years of books amazing.
InfraMoon@reddit
Magnus_Helgisson@reddit
Literally. They had tons of source material written by people who actually know how to put together a good story, and they threw it in the bin. Like, Solo family story is boring in the sequels, it was a real tragedy in the books though with Jania/Jacen part, and Chewie’s final moments, oh my god writing was good back then.
stillmahboi@reddit
They don't feel like star wars stories at all and the eu was a mess of fanfic by subpar and shitty writers
NordicWolf7@reddit
Kyle Katarn is right there. Where's his show?
homingmissile@reddit
I had the opposite reaction. The Yuuzhan Vong were so offbeat that i just lost all interest in the expanded universe.
Spudtron98@reddit
Opinion fucking discarded.
BasicGiraffology@reddit
I got into the books through the X-Wing series, loved Corran Horn and the Rogue Squadron stuff. Then I found these books and was SUPER invested!
Jeffmeister69@reddit
Even worse, knowing they made one good piece of media (Andor/Rogue One) and we will never see it again
-FL4K-@reddit
rogue one is super mediocre idk if they deserve points for that
F00TD0CT0R@reddit
We have hope. Acolyte gave us one of the best sith villains in the whole new media franchise and there is slight hope he makes a return despite acolyte being mixed.
I mean hope is a running star wars theme i dunno why we as a community don't follow that more.
It's all doom and gloom over here
Jwkaoc@reddit
They recently retconned jizz, renaming it jatz, and I am incensed about it.
pay4urincelense@reddit
What are you even talking about Star Wars is the best it’s ever been? You must be a bigot!
Leonhart726@reddit
The new story writer claims he always hated Luke Skywalker, and he was so happy he got to kill him off, and make him seem like a lesser jedi than he was in the original movies. Fun fact.
Image_of_glass_man@reddit
RIP to the incredibly rich KOTOR universe
Little_Weird2039@reddit
Kotor has never been contradicted yet, and direct and in-direct references to the rakata are found more than once in Disney media
Image_of_glass_man@reddit
They have cherry picked content ideas/themesfrom it - there’s some present in Mandolorian I feel. It was formally declared non cannon though
MechaWASP@reddit
And iirc they reference the "Jedi Crusaders" which were Revans little faction before he went sith, right?
At least I feel like I remember that in Clone Wars.
Smelldicks@reddit
I don’t care much less about their creative choices than I do the fact they openly disregard and contradict their own canon constantly.
I’m not talking characters miraculously surviving fatal events or Dave Filoni’s time travel, I’m talking about the zero effort they make into ensuring their various media projects are internally consistent.
Lord_Chromosome@reddit
Yeah, the whole “mandoverse” or whatever that group of tv shows is called falls apart under any scrutiny timeline-wise. It’s honestly crazy how little they put into that.
National_Passage4317@reddit
Con of New Star Wars: Mara Jade never existed
Pro or New Star Wars: Mara Jade isn’t murdered by her shit nephew.
🥲
acart005@reddit
There was no way in hell this wasn't gonna be the top answer.
It's still true, mind you. It just makes me sad Disney hasn't tried to sell it back to George or something.
Turbine2k5@reddit
KYLE.
MOTHERFUCKING.
KATARN.
Username_Password236@reddit
Objectively wrong
Templarofsteel@reddit
The EU was a mess before the whole legends thing. Multiple books of varying quality, questionable timetables and some books doing a lot of retconning (I, Jedi). Not to mention some of the authors getting super petty in their books about it.
Pheeshfud@reddit
Oh yeah, they killed Dorsk 82 in at least 3 different books.
Templarofsteel@reddit
I mean if youre going to do it might as well be the clone that gets killed multiple times..but still
Sparrowhawk-Ahra@reddit
Dude they could have had movies for forever if they just dipped into legends. It's "not canon" anymore, and it's a damn shame. It was a money printing machine and they had to shit into the printer.
RaidriConchobair@reddit
to be fair that would have probably been an awfull mess of rights to the text issues, but even without that there were still way better possibilities for Star Wars Stories, just look at Rogue One and Andor
Sparrowhawk-Ahra@reddit
You do have a point with rights, but there is such a bulk of stories that I think it would be quite easy to just ask, see if they are willing to sell it, probably have that person's name in the credits.
SpicySanchezz@reddit
Sad but true :( one of my favorite franchises back in the day
spaghettiman56@reddit
I love the slow burning return of all the old legends canon because Disney I'd realising they're too creatively bankrupt to actually make new stories that people enjoy.
Kronomancer1192@reddit
The worst part is that it feels like they were right on the edge of being great.
They did great with mandalorian and andor, but they just totally butchered the acolyte.
There was amazing scenes in the new trilogy but the story was so bad that I honestly couldn't tell you a single thing that happened besides that Leia survived unprotected in space, Luke drank alien cow milk, and Rey had an unparalleled talent for looking dumbfounded the entire time.
Smelldicks@reddit
BoBF was far, far worse than the acolyte. I personally think Kenobi was worse too. But BoBF stands alone. We’re talking hoards of people fresh off great media, and a lovable character, all wanting to enjoy it but being forced to reconcile in real time just how bad it was.
DannyBright@reddit
Even Mando Season 3 and Ahsoka were massive let downs.
It really says something that Ahsoka Season 2 is the only live action show in the pipeline, they bungled things so damn badly that they’re no longer a worthy investment. They just really can’t seem to get anything right consistently with this franchise…
Old_Ad_71@reddit
New star wars has always done an incredible job with the visuals. From TV shows, to games, to movies they have always looked visually super impressive.
But yeah, the writing is hit or miss. The shows have definitely done better than the movies. Most, not all though.
Smelldicks@reddit
The thing the shows have going is that they at least know what’s going to happen later, which is a fundamental aspect of all storytelling that the sequels lack.
I think the biggest quality control issue on the shows is the direction. Disney finds these directors so bad that even people who have zero media knowledge are distracted by their creative choices.
Old_Ad_71@reddit
Oh my God, yes. They had this marvelous opportunity to plan out a trilogy in advance and chart a new course and they instead chose to fly by the seat of their pants and just hope nostalgia bait would be enough to carry them.
bokehbaka@reddit
Rogue One was so boring my wife and I walked out on it, at home. We just started talking about food and then left to get dinner, haha.
Sburban_Player@reddit
Damn, rogue one is one of the best Star Wars movies ever made in my opinion. Every single other Disney one has sucked complete ass but rogue one was amazing.
raysofdavies@reddit
Two thirds of Rogue One is mediocre to crap, it just has a fantastic third act
KoolKidEight@reddit
downvoted for speaking the truth
ras344@reddit
Yeah, I don't know why everyone has such a boner for Rogue One here. It's okay, but the first half of the movie is actually pretty boring.
Lolmemsa@reddit
The first two acts are boring as hell unless you’ve seen Andor
bokehbaka@reddit
Unworthy_Saint@reddit
If you actually want to bait people, you have to say Andor now.
BenFoldsFourLoko@reddit
it was bad, aside from a few good moments/episodes
Characters didn't act consistently, arcs were undone constantly, there was very little cohesion between episodes that lasted longer than maybe 3 episodes at a time.
This was even an issue in Rogue One, despite the time pressure of 120 minutes. Cassian starts by being a friend-killing cop-killer, then arbitrarily does a 180 in character for this chick he met hours or a couple days earlier?
He did this in Andor too. What's his actual nature? And when does it change? Or does it not change, and he just flip-flops on whether he's a hardass soldier who kills people in cold blood based on peer pressure from the person he most recently spoke to?
The whole idea is he's an average guy who becomes a rebel over time, through seeing what the empire is and through the people he meets who inspire him and call on him to fight. But he has a hot-and-cold relationship with the rebellion for what felt like way too long- until the very end of the series!
What happens with the Bix plotline in season 2? She's on drugs for like 5 episodes and it's made to be some big deal, then in a 2 minute scene her mental is fixed. It's ham-fisted. Same with the Wil and Saw scene huffing the diesel 🤷♂️ epic scene, but it was abrupt and nothing came out of it.
There are so many character and story elements that happen without any buildup, and which dissipate into ether by the next episode.
Also literally what was the point of the first three episodes of season two? Cassian is just stuck between two dumbass groups of rebels. For three episodes? What a waste of time
It is at its best when episodes have to be self-contained. It's one reason the prison episode was fantastic.
bokehbaka@reddit
I'm being honest, lol I dont even know what Andor is.
Unworthy_Saint@reddit
Don't know what Andor is but your first thought seeing a Star Wars comment is Rogue One. Yeah I believe you.
jprogarn@reddit
Why is that weird? One was a feature movie, the other is a D+ streaming show.
Perfectly reasonable a casual viewer could have seen the first, decided he was uninterested, and didn’t keep up with later releases.
bokehbaka@reddit
🤷♂️
samyruno@reddit
If you are so uninterested in star wars why are you acting as if your opinion on one of the movies is so important. You are allowed to not like a movie but your framing your criticism as if you care about the franchise.
bokehbaka@reddit
They named a franchise, and I noted that one of the movies since Disney took over was boring. I'm simply agreeing by sharing my experience with the franchise.
I legit don't know what Andor is. I'm sorry if this offends you. I really liked The Force Awakens, but the next 2 films and Rogue One were boring, so I just tapped out on watching more.
Star Wars fans confuse me. They're crazy die hards and will criticize you for criticizing what being criticized and defend a franchise that they hate 50-80% of.
Noshamina@reddit
You have bad taste then
Isneezepepsi@reddit
Deepsilver and Saints Row. They were looking to get somebody else to make a sequel to Saints Row 2022 before volition kicked the bucket
And they spearheaded a lot of the terrible decisions made in that game. The concept art Volition put together was much more promising than what we got
Technical-Revenue-48@reddit
Everything since saints row 2 is a downgrade
Isneezepepsi@reddit
SR3 is a fun, mindless shooter but thats the only thing I have to say about it. Outside of gun combat its a massive downgrade
PvtShadow101@reddit
Even then, you can buy enough upgrades to become immune to everything but the melee damage from the bruiser enemies however you regen before they can do their next attack so while it does damage you, you don't actually have any real risk to dying to them and I was actively trying to find ways to get killed out of sheer boredom.
Invulnerability is fun and all but there's a reason you need to activate cheats to do so and it's not just an unlock. Don't even know if there was a way to turn it off or go down to lower levels, once you buy, you just have no reason to play any further, can't even load it up to go on a rampage cause there's no challenge of trying to stay alive as long as possible.
MrTurkeyTime@reddit
They leaned in SO hard. I respect a GTA clone that lets you become president, break out of the matrix and beat the space emperor to death with your bare hands.
Wwanker@reddit
Idk, it was just inFamous less polished and with a dildo bat
UglyInThMorning@reddit
It was closer to Prototype. Like, the movement was a 1:1 replica of Prototype’s.
Wwanker@reddit
Haven’t tried it yet, I just played inFamous 2 some months ago and thought "wow it’s like SR4 but good"
SkyrimSlag@reddit
Damn I miss inFamous 2, Second Son was fun but it wasn’t 2. We need a remaster/remake.
UglyInThMorning@reddit
You should give it a shot- if you don’t have a console that would play it it’s on sale for 5 bucks on Steam right now and would run on a potato
EddieFrits@reddit
It wasn't quite as good, but yeah
UglyInThMorning@reddit
I think that was more map design than anything else, it had too much open space which didn’t work with the powers they were copying.
EddieFrits@reddit
I agree that map design is part of it but I think also prototypes was just slicker with animations and movement since it wasn't tacked on.
UglyInThMorning@reddit
They also had to get the animations right for a 6 foot dude with a sword arm, or hammers for fists, or a little ol grandma so I think Protoype also put a lot more work in. The overall mechanics were exactly the same but it definitely felt better in prototype.
MrTurkeyTime@reddit
Don't discount the dildo bat.
VicisSubsisto@reddit
Not stuck on PS3 though.
acart005@reddit
Sometimes you want tasty slop. That's Saints Row 3 and 4.
BanzaiKen@reddit
I was happy with the later ones because it was pointless trying to compete with GTA. SR 3-4 I still play in coop because of how weird it is. Anybody who acts like they’re shocked at the arc forgets that a monster truck crushing your friend is a big part of SR2s story.
Omega_brownie@reddit
I still liked 3 but nothing false about your comment
DeathMetalViking666@reddit
SR4 was great, but the superhero gameplay did a lot of the heavy lifting.
pbaagui1@reddit
Nah, SR3 is peak
Crimento@reddit
We were very close to re-release of the game with bugfixes and modern OS compatibility
RIP IdolNinja (and Project Mjolnir with him)
Mindlessgamer23@reddit
As one of the weirdos who enjoyed nearly every entry. The reboot was so bad it's the only one I refuse to purchase.
Some cringe is fun, that's what gave 4 such a vibe, but holy shit, the reboot is all cringe, nothing badass or even badass ajacent. It's like you took a boomers understanding of zoomers/millenials, then made all the main characters out of that stereotype cranked to 15. Not to mention we lost all the good charecters from prior installments.
The disappoint when the memes began to flow was overwhelming
Spoon_Elemental@reddit
I actually liked Saint Row 2022. It was better than 3 and 4 at least. Not quite on par with 2, but it was still a really fun game and I think rebooting it was the right direction to go in after how stupid 4 made things even compared to 3.
Isneezepepsi@reddit
There was lots I liked about it, but the dialogue was very painful to listen to. Ending is pretty dumb too, making the moral of the story the power of friendship. I agree its more ambitious than SR3 at least
Its a really good city too, I love the Albuquerque inspired aesthetic, but it does feel a little hollow. It needed more interiors and some unique district themes imo
UglyInThMorning@reddit
I don’t know why that franchise got so bad about having unique districts when it was one of the best parts of 2 (never played 1). It made Stillwater feel like an actual city instead of just a video game map
Isneezepepsi@reddit
I have no clue. Steels port has gotta be the most boring map ever, its amazing they used it twice
UglyInThMorning@reddit
Effectively unchanged outside of the floating towers, too! Like, they could have iterated on it and at least made it feel cyberpunkier or something for 4.
Haganu@reddit
I will never forgive them for ruining this IP.
BalefulRemedy@reddit
Sr 3/4 is peak
marcher138@reddit
Saints Row II was the best imo. It was the perfect mix of realism and goofiness, and Stillwater had a lot more life than Steelport.
Isneezepepsi@reddit
Stilwater is the best open world map ever, rivalled only by San Andreas. It has a bunch of unique themes like chinatown, college campus, and the trailer park while still having a good flow. Nothing feels like it was awkwardly placed into a different map, its all cohesive
You can ALSO thank Deepsilver for pulling the funding for the Saints Row 2 PC remaster. The lead IdolNinja was literally working on it in the hospital with weeks to live and they just discarded his work after he passed. Fuck them
StandardN02b@reddit
Halo
Meme_Pope@reddit
It’s really sad that so many kids that grew up concurrent with Halo 4 and 5 are now having nostalgia for it and trying to retcon that they were actually good
Gagomli@reddit
They were fun (I'm a Halo 2 & 3 kid), the multiplayer was still solid in 4, and 5 had a very fun sandbox to mess around in, but the story was just so severely lacking for both.
liluzibrap@reddit
That's actually the problem, though. It was just solid.
Each game in the trilogy was better than the last, and each release would go on to become a part of American culture. The stats even back this up.
Halo 4 sold more than any of the trilogy games basically due to brand loyalty but then could never maintain the same player counts that the trilogy did.
Halo 3 maintained a 1 million player count a year after its release while Halo 4 was under 300k players just a week after release.
Doomie_bloomers@reddit
Idk chief, Bungie literally jumping ship to build Destiny and taking all their talent with them probably makes for a decent reason tbh. Not that it's a good excuse, but a reason nonetheless.
liluzibrap@reddit
That would be true if the team at 343 weren't capable of building a similar experience to Halo, but they were fully capable.
When they made a demonstration of a Halo game, the reply they received from higher ups at 343 was that "this just looks like Halo." Development for Halo 4 ensued afterward.
Doomie_bloomers@reddit
Not to get nitpicky here, but a demonstration is typically less indicative than a full game experience. If you only showed me parts of the early Halo 4 campaign, I'd probably also think it's just Halo, maybe "oh cool, new covenant subfaction" if you show me the Forerunners (?) without context. Like, it's not that Halo 4 bombed from a gameplay or aesthetics side. So yes, you're absolutely right that the 343 leadership is mostly to blame, but also 343 hasn't demonstrated that they have the talent (especially in the story department) to keep the legacy going properly.
red--dead@reddit
Also doesn’t help that the studio has propped up by a revolving door of contractors. I assume due to their history that it’s a MS decision and not a 343 leadership one. A lot of incompetence in decision making all around. Infinite had good bones, but devs couldn’t figure out how to work with the new engine.
It’s frustrating how each iteration of 343 halo scraps everything and goes back to the drawing board and does something quite different instead of just building on the things that worked and fixing the things that didn’t.
Emalloy1014@reddit
As someone who really enjoys the 343 games your second paragraph i really agree with. They've all had their issues but I love them nonetheless, I really would have loved to have seen them stick to their guns and keep the original post-halo 4 story they were writing.
Then again, looking at the rest of this thread, I can't exactly blame them for jumping ship time and time again. This community is so bloodthirsty and nitpicky it's crazy. I mean it's 2025 and there are still humans are forerunner arguments when even Bungie never decided one way or another on it
liluzibrap@reddit
This is a long read if you actually care to see why fans of the original Halo series are so upset about it to this day.
It WAS decided but certain people like to rewrite history and say that it wasn't. Not saying that's what you're doing, but people have done this a lot and have framed it this way and that's probably why you think they never made a clear decision when that couldn't be further from the truth. 343 Guilty Spark clarifies multiple times throughout the series that humanity is Forerunner.
He eventually makes comments in Halo 1 directly saying "I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce." "You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time! Human history, is it? Fascinating." In Halo 2's original storyboard which was cut due to the infamous development of that game, Guilty Spark would lead the Arbiter to a Forerunner tomb that revealed a human skeleton. In Halo 3, 343 GS directly says "You are Forerunner! But this is my ring!"
Doing just a bit of research about the retcons of Halo and seeing what previous devs have said about the story makes it crystal clear. There's also a novel called Contact Harvest, which was released after Halo 3, it is a story about Sgt. Johnson when he was on the very first planet that was fought over during the Human-Covenant war.
In this story, written by Joe Staten who is the writer for the Halo trilogy, it is directly confirmed that humans are of Forerunner descent, and this is the reason why the Prophets want the Covenant to exterminate humanity. They had the belief, due to their misunderstanding of a Forerunner AI named Mendicant Bias, that THEY were the reclaimers.
When they discover a planet full of Forerunner markers and the AI explains that the prophets have consistently misunderstood the AI's message, it is also revealed that all humans are Forerunner. So the prophets have the covenant believe that humanity is made of Forerunners who were left behind, not worthy of the great journey, continuing their lie to maintain power and influence.
Joe Staten was not with the Bungie crew when he was writing this book. Halo 3 terminals had to have been written mostly without his knowledge, as Joe's writing has a cohesive narrative from start to finish and it doesn't make sense for the forerunners and ancient humanity to be two different things with his story explaining the origin of the human-covenant war. It is only when the terminals are introduced that the story isn't so clear-cut anymore.
To ignore all of this evidence in favor of terminals that were an afterthought compared to the rest of what the series had built up to that point is just ignorant. I don't have a problem with retcons, I have a problem with retcons that add nothing to the story. Precursors fill the original role that the Forerunners did in the original trilogy but worse because ancient humanity existing alongside the Forerunners narratively makes no sense. To this day, the writers for Halo novels try to reconcile how humanity and Forerunner are related without being direct descendants and at the moment they're basically cousins when this was never intended to be the case.
red--dead@reddit
Yeah I assumed a lot of it is overcorrection and pressure by MS to make their flagship game a real hit. I loved H5 and Infinite for what they were but super disappointed what they left behind from 5. I can “get” why they scrapped a lot of 4 due to the unpopularity, but 5 had a lot of things that were well received outside of the hate everything not by bungie crowd.
Mitchel-256@reddit
That's a terrible reason.
Leadfarmerbeast@reddit
I actually really liked Halo 5’s core multiplayer. It did the advanced movement stuff, but did it well. And it made sure that it didn’t interfere with the holy trinity of gun, grenade, and melee combat. Campaign was straight poop though.
google_symphony@reddit
Halo 5 was a fun game and I’ll go to my grave on that
enemyweeb@reddit
Warzone and Warzone Firefight were some of the most fun game modes added to the franchise and I’ll go to my grave with you on that. Unfortunately it was packaged with a campaign so bad it almost single-handedly murdered the franchise
Balcara@reddit
Can't comment on story, but competitive halo 5 was really good, probably the best balance out of the games I played
t4nn3rp3nny@reddit
Lmao I was a Halo 3 kid and I love Halo 4 and 5. Halo 3 is 100% the worst Bungie Halo game and I will die on that hill.
Emalloy1014@reddit
This is just untrue through. The only, ONLY character you could say was character assassinated was Cortana, but that's really all. The universe has grown a substantial amount and while you can argue all you want that "the games were bad" (they aren't, you just don't like them as much because you have your own rose tinted glasses for the Bungie ones just like I do the 343 ones, it's okay to admit that), the only "bad stories" I would say are halo 5's campaign and the escalation comic series
You're allowed to not like 4 5 and infinite but it aggravates me to no end seeing all 3 games slandered and halo 3 getting propped up with the abysmal story it had
StandardN02b@reddit
Imagine waking up, having a full day to do anything you can think off. The world is your playground, the posibilities are endless. Then you go to reddit and decide to shill for 343.
Emalloy1014@reddit
Lol ignored everything I said ok little bro 🥱
Ulvsterk@reddit
The way they retcon bungie's campaign and lore.
The forerunners are human, not a different race or voldemort motherfuckers, no, they are humans.
The abrahamic religions are a retelling of what happened between the forerunners and the flood.
Halo 4 is a wattapad fanfic, Cortana is way out of her character and rampancy isnt like that.
The ark was destroyed in Halo 3. It doesnt make sense for it to appear in Halo wars 2, unless you retcon Halo 3.
Humanity didnt had a truce with the covenant to fight the flood, it had an alliance with the elites and a very brief truce with the flood to fight the covenant. How did they messed up that one?
343 Guilty Spark is dead, he died in halo 3. Its stupid to make him come back as a buff robot.
The prometheans and kights and shit are stupid. The forerunners arent like that.
Using the books to excuse bad writting in the games and to pull bullshit out of your ass doesnt work.
There is a reason why Halo is remembered fondly by the general public as a 2000 franchise. No one talks about Halo anymore outside its shrinking community.
Emalloy1014@reddit
No way you're talking about retconning bungies campaign and lore when Bungie themselves would shoot their own lore in the back of the head on a whim (halo reach)
The forerunners were never decided on by bungie to be human or otherwise. You're just pissy it's not how you wanted it to be
This is an interpretation and not at all confirmed by any Bungie media
Rampancy isn't like that? How would you know? Bungie never depicted rampancy in any of their media outside of 343 guilty spark, a forerunner created AI. You can disagree with how it was done and give criticisms, but calling it a Wattpad fanfic is a bad faith argument and makes me want to just ignore any point you made in this post.
Did we see the destruction of the ark? Did we see the debris floating around in space? Truth is we have no basis for what damage was done to the installation other than the words of an insane 343 guilty spark
Are you referring to a single line of dialogue in the opening mission of halo 4 here? Yeah I agree it's not an accurate version of events but also it had been 5 years and lines like that are a narrative way of reminding the audience what happened previously in the story.
While I can't defend 343 guilty spark surviving halo 3, I like the narrative journey that he concluded in the extended media, from his life as Chakas to his current journey as spark so I don't care enough to complain about it
"The forerunners aren't like that" my bad bro I forgot you wrote the series
How do the books "defend" bad writing in the games? Would I love to see more book stories in the games themselves, yeah absolutely but having extended media doesn't "defend" bad writing. They've done their best to clean up the halo 5 story and I think they did a good job doing so, Empty Throne was a great read.
The reason nobody talks about halo fondly anymore is because people like you who live in the past and would rather spend time shit talking Infinite rather than attempting to get people to try the games that you so enjoyed as a younger person.
The problem here lies with the overwhelming negativity of the community, which has far outgrown fair criticism. It's a crazy concept really, people bashing and non-stop bitching about the games rather than using them as entry points for new fans to experience the story you love is a problem that people like you create
PingusPuff@reddit
It just kept getting worse every time 343 made a new game
Shyassasain@reddit
I skipped out after 4.
If you ask me, Reach was the last Halo game. Everything after (even infinite) is just a cheap knockoff.
I'm sure 343 games are good, but not wearing the now rotting skin of a legendary game franchise.
xxxmalkin@reddit
It kills me because the gameplay of Infinite is so good but the campaign is completely disconnected from context without reading a book and comic series and the multiplayer is an unrewarding grind fest.
SittingSawdust@reddit
Infinite’s campaign was a cleanup job. It’s the immediate post-vomit feeling where you’re starting to drink water but the taste stays in your mouth for a while
xxxmalkin@reddit
And you blacked out during the vomiting because you can't remember how you got there unless someone else (the books) tells you about it.
HamsyBeSwank@reddit
Infinites gameplay was so much fun but holy fuck i did not give a shit about the banished or the weapon.
Im sure i missed a lot as i didnt play 5 or wars 2 or whatever bridged the gap story-wise but it feels so much like a star wars sequel trilogy-esque rehash of stuff im meant to recognise i wanted to skip at every opportunity.
I did actually like esparza though.
Gagomli@reddit
The fact that (roughly?) a month into the game being out the multiplayer servers started dying didn't help either.
I had a group of over a dozen friends that I'd routinely queue into BTB with, but we all lost our enthusiasm for the game when half the players could never get into a match.
xxxmalkin@reddit
Oh god the loading was awful. And the fact that the lobby disconnected after every game unless you were partied up.
It's such a genuine flop that the game felt so good to play, just not to sit down with.
__ICoraxI__@reddit
I'll throw out a molten hot take here - imo the gunplay in Infinite is the best its ever been across any Halo title. The gun variety and visual/audio feedback is incredible
xxxmalkin@reddit
I 100% agree. I played a decent bit of H3 multiplayer but didn't get into multiplayer properly until Reach. Infinite's gameplay took me right back into those moments with such beautiful polish. The bad times were every time I came out of a match.
I know cosmetics don't change gameplay but I like having something tangible after burning 20-30 hours in a game.
I know in the grand scheme of things that the lobby disbanding after a match doesn't change much and I probably will forget most people I play with, but sometimes those repeat match ups built friendships.
Progression and community are just as important as good gameplay in a multiplayer experience, and a game lacking those two things means I'm only getting 1/3 of a game and I'm not going to get nickled and dimed for cosmetics for 1/3 of a game.
FuckinFlowerFrenzy@reddit
And the general atmosphere, it feels more like fortnite than halo. It's fucking horrid.
Zutroy2117@reddit
John-Sex@reddit
Halo games improved in gameplay (yes, bungie halo had dogshit balance, and illusion of choice in weapon variety past normal difficulty) and plummeted in story and level design. Legit, halo 4 had great gunfights. They actually managed to make automatic weapons not squirt guns, the AR is more than viable even in legendary, but the campaigns levels were the same copy pasted, mind-numbingly boring environments and "yer a wizard, chief" plotline also anonymous as fuck.
pizzabagelcat@reddit
Halo 4 was the last one I genuinely enjoyed. I loved the new weapons, enemies were kinda interesting, and Cortana's story was great in a sad way. Then 5 took a shit all over it
CerifiedHuman0001@reddit
I like the 343 games for gameplay, especially loved H5’s multiplayer, but they fucked up the story so bad after 5
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
You would be mistaken.
Dinok_Hind@reddit
For sure reach was really damn good, but I also thought 4 was pretty good as like a little tie everything together and end the series kinda thing. Everything after that though I agree just milking gamers for nostalgiabucks. Def 3 was peak
-AgentMichaelScarn@reddit
I thought the campaign was kind of lame, but for some reason 4’s multiplayer was one of my favorites.
Shyassasain@reddit
Only good part of that game was the cutscenes. So nice. Shame the armour designs sucked though.
EdwardoftheEast@reddit
Plus you had to read the books to understand what goes on between 4 & 5, and 5 & Infinite. Not to mention another book coming out to explain what happens after Infinite.
_Volatile_@reddit
to be fair, microsoft has always held the publishing rights for that
Tormented_Anus@reddit
Opened this post and immediately ctrl + f'd to find this answer. Of all the things they changed and fucked up, altering Master Chief's armor and then handwaving it away as "nanomachines, son" is the dumbest one to me.
Spudtron98@reddit
They really should've just made it so that Chief would start with his classic armour and then get an upgrade to the Gen-2 suit after making contact with the Infinity. Give it a few extra features like compatibility with equipment packs.
Tormented_Anus@reddit
Exactly, which is why the "nanomachines" excuse annoys me so much because it's so lazy.
Ashen-Chef@reddit
It was a joke from one of the devs iirc. It's just a different art style
TorHKU@reddit
That was pretty dumb, but honestly pretty minor imo. I forgot about it in like 10 minutes because it just didn't matter that his pauldrons were a bit different now, w/e.
The cardinal sin for me is the Ancient Humans bullshit. They had everything lined up so fucking well to say that humans were descended from the forerunners, so much hinting over all the games and books...
AND THEY WENT WITH FUCKING ANCIENT ADVANCED HUMANS. It was fucking flabbergasting that they took such a grounded, believable sci fi setting, and just decided to put the tropeiest shlockiest garbage they could think of in it. 343 are absolute fucking hacks that couldn't write their way out of a paper bag.
fenian1798@reddit
The "humans are forerunners" thing was an idea that was kicked around in the Bungie days but was never fully fleshed out or implemented. There are a few leftover lines of dialogue in the original trilogy (and OT-era novels) which obliquely refer to it. For a more explicit example, Halo 2's story changed a lot during development, but one idea they had was that the Arbiter would find a forerunner's grave (when he was looking for the sacred icon) and find a human skeleton in it (see this artwork for reference, which is a painting based on the cut Halo 2 storyboard in question - if you want to see the original storyboard, I was unable to find it, but IIRC it is in one of the Halo 2 vidocs).
However, contrary to popular belief, the "humans aren't forerunners and were actually their own race of ancient advanced History Channel guys" retcon actually started in the terminals of Halo 3. And (unlike the terminals in Halo 1 or 2) these terminals were put in the original game by Bungie, not added by 343 in MCC. See this article for an in-depth look at the issue. The TL;DR is that there was apparently some kind of miscommunication or differing artistic vision between the different writers/developers.
Tormented_Anus@reddit
For me it was one of those straw that broke the camel's back situations. It is a minor thing compared to everything else they changed just for the sake of changing, and his new armor didn't even look that bad (compared to the new Covenant armor and Prometheans), but it also went to show how little reverence and care 343i had for the multimillion dollar flagship franchise they were inheriting. Everything had to be altered because nothing was good enough, not even the main character, and they knew better than the fucking creators of this franchise because they just do.
acart005@reddit
Listen they advertised 3 as finishing the fight. I did.
Great trilogy if you just walk away there.
SullyAddams@reddit
It hurts even worse that a year or two ago, former 343 and Bungie devs came out saying 343's execs were intentionally sabotaging Halo because they hate the franchise. They also hate the flood, the best enemy in the series, and tried to act like their big bad villain in Infinite, The Harbinger, is worse "because we said so okay?!"
Cloabs@reddit
Dragon Age
Beefmytaco@reddit
I was already bummed by inquisition which you could see all over the place once you played it, just how much they cut out. Game was supposed to be a MMORPG but they scrapped it 3/4s of the way through and what we got in the end was shallow to say the least.
I still remember the previews for that game showing the qunari starting a bit of a war and ravaging whole cities, but it all got cut by the time the game released, all while the 'OG' writers kept making videos saying they were going back to how it used to be; all lies.
Then comes out Veilgaurd and holy shit they just couldn't help but put a bunch of modern day, trauma dump bullshit into it and totally kill the entire franchise.
All they had to do was write the story like 2005, game elements from origins and 2, and incorporate some things that made other RPGs like BG3 so huge and bam, instant hit.
Nope, had a bunch of talent-less idiots who didn't even like the franchise decide they knew how to write the story better, injected their fanfiction, and ruined it forever.
I heard that some of the lead writers got fired a few months before the game got released and taken over by some who actually had some talent, and the ending of the game is actually good.
Too bad I'll never play it cause of the cringe ass moments shown by party members I can't even kill off cause I'm forced to be a wholly good guy, and I enjoy playing the good guy in RPGs!
Nah, if you go waaay out of your way to kill off the lame party members, or don't do their stupid quests, you don't get the whole story. What a shit game.
TheKrimsonFvcker@reddit
Veilguard is so far from being a Dragon Age game that I was actually able to somewhat enjoy it by pretending it was a spinoff of the series, I gave it the Mass Effect Andromeda treatment lol
FunnyP-aradox@reddit
I hate how Dragon Age was the prime exemple of a good woke game and they made it into woke slop, i'm calling that an inside job at this point it can't be just incompetence
Beefmytaco@reddit
If you looked up the lead writer, you'd see why it failed so hard. She's kinda nuts about making her story and only hers without question.
She's honestly insane; literally forces people to call her 'The Professor' or some nonsense like that. Fuckin loon she is.
EddieFrits@reddit
Bioware has lost all of their writing talent and I don't think that's something they can recover from. Like Origins is a fantastic RPG but are you playing because the mechanics are good or because it has a compelling narrative and we'll written characters? I know which one kept me there. And with the loss of all their talent, I just don't think we're getting another one, especially while they're overseen by EA.
OG_Floatzel@reddit
elgar'nan and ghilan'nain
gwapogi5@reddit
Real. The first time I have played Dragon Age Origin back when it released it actually blew me away. I was thinking this could be the future of the RPG genre and then nope it just keeps getting worse DAO/A and 2 feels like the only Dragon Age, (heck 2 was even received poorly because of how good was DAO/A compared to 2 but looking back 2 is better than the last Dragon age games
Beefmytaco@reddit
I played 2 like 6-8 times over before I finally got bored of it. The story was actually really great and I liked how it all took place only in a huge city.
Yes, they did screw up hard with how much they reused the same dungeons over and over and over again, but the story and characters along with the good combat system really brought me back.
Still remember spending like 30 minutes trying to defeat the arishok with a mage character. Seriously, that fight sucks if you're not melee!
DA2 had the best combat system IMO out of all the games, they had it perfect and then screwed it up in inquisition. I'm still annoyed to this day they took out healing spells for a limited amount of potions.
I mean yea it was kinda cool in inquisition you could use certain abilities or spells to get 'armor' on your heathbar, but you really couldn't build it proper to protect yourself until much later in the game.
I'm old school RPG, I like having a healer class in there to support the group as healers are my favorite class next to a paladin with sword and board. Making it a warrior/rogue/mage only game really killed it for me. No idea in Failguard if they brought healing spells back or not, I'll never find out just cause of how much they shitted up one of my favorite franchises.
They even killed off the coolest character in the whole franchise, Varric, cause he was too cool for the chalk eaters that were making the game.
UglyInThMorning@reddit
What’s funny is that until Veilguard the same guy was running the franchise and turning in progressively shittier entries.
Sbotkin@reddit
Every Dragon Age game was made by EA and Bioware, what change are you talking about?
DaRealKovi@reddit
The people working at the studio
Sbotkin@reddit
r/greentext and poor literacy, name a more iconic duo.
The meme literally says "publisher rights". As in somebody bought the IP and ruined it. Dragon Age never changed hands.
Th0rizmund@reddit
But DA was not bought though. It’s the same owner and studio.
Wisterosa@reddit
but Dragon Age never changed publisher
I_luv_sludge_n_drugs@reddit
Yea 😢
throwaway6444377_@reddit
halo
AnchorHat@reddit
Star Wars
Star Trek
Indiana Jones
Lord of the Rings
Ghostbusters
Every single Live Action Disney Remake
HateMyPizza@reddit
Bethesda, Fallout
StarsCanScream@reddit
Star Wars :(
ConanTheLeader@reddit
They had Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill all together and there will never ever be the same opportunity again.
Lore wise, everything those characters worked for in the original trilogy got undone. I liked episode 7 and 8 by the way, but 9 just felt like pure fan fiction.
buttstuffisokiguess@reddit
I'll give you that 7 was alright. I think the only part of 8 I liked was the warp scene. Or was that the third? Idk. It was super cinematic and gorgeous.
Plembert@reddit
That was 8.
NoThxM@reddit
Episode 8 was an absolute disaster
Old_Ad_71@reddit
The First Order has always felt so bizarre to me. It's like you said, the new trilogy just completely undid all the progress Luke, Leia, and Han accomplished.
Like, they went through all that effort, started as plucky underdogs, to defeat the Empire and free the galaxy from tyranny.
And then we get The Force Awakens and somehow the New Republic is destroyed in an instant by and even bigger and scarier death star and now we get plucky young rebel- scratch that, RESISTANCE fighters to fight against the tyranny of the First Order.
Say what you will about the prequels, at least they were unique from the OT and had a very different story to tell. The New Trilogy's story is just more of the same of the OT.
acart005@reddit
RotS did nothing wrong and it was always Good. Even now when mathematically its a top half Star Wars Film.
Old_Ad_71@reddit
Buddy, I love the prequel trilogy but even I can tell you there was a lot wrong with those movies. The most egregious problem was very much the dialogue and character writing in general.
RotS was the best of the three prequels, but even it suffered from cringy af dialogue writing.
Then there is the personal taste things like people didn't like the over reliance on blue screen vfx. I personally didn't mind it but I can understand why they'd want more real visuals.
Or the complaints about how the fight scenes were more like dances because they were so over the top choreographed. Again, I actually quite liked the more dance-like fight scenes to Luke or Rey swinging around the lightsaber like a baseball bat.
And the overall pace of the trilogy does seem kind of weird and rushed. Like, why does it go from the big war finally begins at the end of the second movie to then have the war be over by the very start of the third movie. They introduced Count Dooku as the supposed big bad, and then merked him in the first twenty minutes of RotS.
Of course, it all makes more sense when you have the Clone Wars TV show in the middle helping you get more context, but movies should be able to stand on their own as a complete narrative.
acart005@reddit
Fair complaints. But mathematically being a top half mainline Star Wars film means 4 of them are better than average.
That means a sequel or prequel HAS to get picked out of the trash. I dont think anyone denies RotS is the best prequel, and I personally don't hate TFA. I said when it released and still believe today that ANH2 is what the normies needed, and TLJ is fine as its own animal. I hate it as a Star Wars movie but concede that if it wasn't part of the greater universe it would be decent, I guess.
Which of the 3 do you pick to be #4 in the rankings? For me its RotS hands down but debate can be made for TFA or TLJ. It ain't 1/2/9 thats for damn sure.
Sesemebun@reddit
Supposedly Lucas wanted to write about Leia starting with managing a new government based on how Iran was. Something I’ve heard said is that each trilogy was supposed to be its own “genre” as its at different points in the history of the galaxy. People don’t like the prequels because it’s more political and different, so they just wanted more of the same as the OG trilogy.
People don’t think the prequels are “Star Wars” because they aren’t the original trilogy, but being different was exactly what Star Wars was. I’m parroting other people here but it’s interesting to think about. If Lucas was kicked out after the OG we’d probably have 12 movies all structured the same as the first 3
topherhead@reddit
He also said for the sequels he wanted to do a fantastic voyage style into someone's body to see midiclorians. An idea so weird and stupid I just don't even know what to make of it.
UglyInThMorning@reddit
Lucas said a lot of stuff over the years that often contradicted itself so I’d take his claims with a grain of salt.
sabrefudge@reddit
Yeah, could you imagine hundreds of thousands of people dying in the war against a fascist empire… only for fascism to rise again right under their noses mere decades later?
Like that’s so crazy and impossible.
acart005@reddit
TFA was fine. 8 just wasn't Star Wars.
9 should have had Disney executives sent to the fucking Hague or Guantanamo Bay as a crime against humanity.
MelsEpicWheelTime@reddit
Andor is the best thing they've ever made though.
givemeausernameplzz@reddit
:(
Significant_Carrot81@reddit
Anything Disney touches. They ruin everything. Even old Disney.
supahdave@reddit
“Which old classic animation shall we make into a generic live action movie this time, guys?”
PeachesGuy@reddit
Saints Row, Dead Space, Dragon Age
n_i_g_w_a_r_d@reddit
Silent hill.
Fummy@reddit
My little pony G4 after it's creator Lauren Faust was kicked out. they started adding humans, smart phones, TV, etc. it's not canon.
Aylik@reddit
Banjo Kazooie.
Y'all foul for that.
AwesomeGeo1@reddit
MGS ending with Metal Gear Survive
FractalEyes94@reddit
I didn't touch a Metal Gear game for years after the abrupt ending in The Phantom Pain, not even bothering to explain itself. Left such a bad taste in my mouth.
FinestCrusader@reddit
On one hand Kojima shouldn't have expected to just overstep the budget and face no repercussions, on the other I can't really understand Konami axing a project of such a beloved franchise that was spearheaded by the dude that made them oceans of cash. Why couldn't they just see it through?
Huge_Operation_8862@reddit
Tomb Raider
Sbotkin@reddit
Yes, this is cope, Tomb Raider reboot didn't ruin the franchise, it saved it.
FinestCrusader@reddit
Just wish Lara wasn't such a dumbass who can't pack her shit properly and we have to start from 0 in every game. Also, her being all "magic isn't real" despite seeing supernatural shit all the time. I understand it when Indiana Jones does it, the movies paved the way for that genre after all but why are we doing that in 2010s? And they tried to humanize Lara by having a few cry scenes only for her to revert into killing machine mode a few seconds later. The third game was mainly carried by the exploration and archaeology because the story was beyond meh.
Sbotkin@reddit
Funny you mention that because Tomb Raider is the only game I remember where the character actually addresses this. She is explicitly worried that she doesn't feel anything.
BrandNewtoSteam@reddit
The new tomb raider games were pretty good
Huge_Operation_8862@reddit
Agreed, I'm just malding and also like the original trilogy a lot.
DerpiestOfDerps@reddit
life is strange
HoveringPorridge@reddit
This. Double Exposure is one of the worst pieces of media I've encountered in recent years.
I have never seen a series nuke it's fanbase as quickly. The day it launched it had a player review score of 11/100....
FinestCrusader@reddit
Just proves that life is sometimes strange
diamondDNF@reddit
Surprised to see LiS mentioned here of all places, but... yeah, this is the best example in my mind. I've seen a lot of franchises go downhill and release worse and worse entries over time, but none have actually pissed me off the way Double Exposure did.
amoc20@reddit
I didn't care that they kept milking it as long as they made a standalone story. But making a direct sequel to the first story without any of the original creators was a disgrace.
Wiinterfang@reddit
Me buying the rights of Steven Universe and making everyone straight.
FinestCrusader@reddit
I loved the first seasons of Steven Universe but eventually the writing just seemed too juvenile for me and I was definitely not the target demographic in terms of age. What else changed?
Boxchucker@reddit
Paradox when the release VTM 5
The_Annihilator_117@reddit
You have no idea how far I had to dig for this
esssssto@reddit
Epstein's case
Lord-Flip@reddit
Fallout
DeracadaVenom@reddit
Scream
Anen-o-me@reddit
Star Wars above all.
Makers_Serenity@reddit
Wheel of time, Got banned from the subreddit for saying the show fucking sucks lol
honorio2099@reddit
The Last of Us with Neil Cuckman.
WikipediaAb@reddit
Dune
lowlypawn@reddit
Any 20+ year old franchise that has received a reboot of any kind
justwhy129@reddit
What about Doom?
Hayzi@reddit
I reckon the Doom franchise has been taken care of pretty well post-reboot
AwkwardZac@reddit
I thought people weren't too keen on Dark Ages, but I've heard good things about the other ones.
StosifJalin@reddit
I think it was the combo of the same super-invasive DRM from Eternal and an $80 price tag that hurt it. Having watched a playthrough, it honestly looks like a super solid game with a ton of work and passion put into it. Kinda sad but oh well
AwkwardZac@reddit
I've only heard its slow paced and a little wonky to jump into after the other Dooms, but nothing too terrible. I'm sure the price tag didn't help it either.
dat_GEM_lyf@reddit
You can literally increase the game speed. You should stop listening to people who just parrot what they think is the in thing to say without actually knowing what they are talking about
AwkwardZac@reddit
How does that work, like just a built in speed multiplier?
I can only go off what I heard around release, since the price put me off til a major sale. A lot of streamers were complaining about it feeling slow and clunky, so if the setting isnt super obvious or it feels weird I wouldn't blame that on them, just the devs.
dat_GEM_lyf@reddit
It literally makes EVERYTHING faster (cut scenes and dialog included). Just a % slider that goes from like 50-200% (IIRC, I usually slap it at 130% for Eternal like speeds)
TDA is a solid bookend to the trilogy and I can’t wait for the DLC and mater levels to drop
Mister_Bossmen@reddit
I think it's the same deal as when Eternal came out where people were quick to obsess over "which is better?", so most people end up sticking with the game they are familiar with already
UglyInThMorning@reddit
Plus some complaining from the crowd who were mad it wouldn’t run on their almost decade-old graphics cards.
Mister_Bossmen@reddit
I do understand the Linux users that were upset though. That kind of DRM that blocks out part of the userbase shouldn't be acceptable today
UglyInThMorning@reddit
It works on Linux the last time I heard anything, though maybe some distros have problems? All the complaining I heard about was 1000 series GPUs not working
Hayzi@reddit
Dark Ages absolutely rips, very different gameplay but I'm really enjoying it
mr_braixen@reddit
Doom 3 I recall wasn't received as well but I think most people forgot about it.
olivetho@reddit
the reboot only means the games from 2016 onward. doom 3 wasn't really forgotten, and if anything it was the reason the new games are the way that they are (alongside the abysmal reception to the original doom 4 concept a.k.a "call of doom")
Eastern_Mist@reddit
Wolfenstein too I think
dat_GEM_lyf@reddit
DOOM is absolutely proof that this is not universally true.
Sven4president@reddit
God of War seems to be the exception although they never tried to recapture the old way but build something new.
GonzoRouge@reddit
Except God of War isn't really a reboot, it's a sequel in basically every way.
Luicide@reddit
It's a soft reboot. Still taking place in the same continuity, but not as directly connected as the previous games
topherhead@reddit
Except gameplay which is the only way I personally care about so I still haven't played any of the new ones.
DrDikPiks@reddit
Agreed, they didn't retcon anything from what I recall (i haven't played Ragnarok though), and it's a great sequel imo, with references from the past games, great character development and overall fun mechanics
ZachF8119@reddit
Resident evil too. They’re really consistent. I loved the time trialness of 5 and having a partner although obviously it was very fast action not suspense horror. The newest stuff was a real return to basics.
Th3_Shr00m@reddit
DOOM as well, janky and confusing lore aside... granted, you're probably not playing DOOM for the lore.
buttstuffisokiguess@reddit
I liked the 2 and 3 remakes but I can't get behind the first person ones. It all seemed too..detached from the sciencey angle they were going with. Like, they're good games but they don't feel like resident evil.
JuujiNoMusuko@reddit
The final act of RE7 is you going gun blazing in a laboratory set up by bio terrorists if that isnt resident evil as fuck i dont know what is
buttstuffisokiguess@reddit
Idk. It just felt more..closer to like silent hill or something. And village is just a bunch of fuckery slapped together. Again, not a bad game by any means. Just not as RE as the originals.
android151@reddit
Dragon Ball Super and Daima both recapture something old and also builds something new
AbortionBulld0zer@reddit
They built Soy of War instead
Super_Silky@reddit
Gagomli@reddit
What does this mean?
AbortionBulld0zer@reddit
Series which was notorious for its brutality and high action scenes devolved into lame pg13 movie, with typical sony "gamedesign" for the smartest gamers.
lowlypawn@reddit
I agree god of war was ruined. Reboot of it is solid for different reasons but it got changed in ways that ruin the original. Even the original creator hates the reboot lol
awesomedude4100@reddit
david jaffe has a lot of shitty boomer gaming takes on general tho
Prism_Riot42@reddit
I think he’s trying to say that the process of Kratos realizing how being a father requires a softer king of strength, and coming to terms with the absolute ragebeast he used to be somehow makes him soy? Realistically, that guy is either joking or a pretty mentally/emotionally weak person irl, since most ACTUAL “strong people” exercise a lot of control over themselves
SugestedName@reddit
Evil Dead aswell
TantricEmu@reddit
Evil Dead never sold out though right? It’s still Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell. Those two can’t miss
richtofin819@reddit
Deus ex reboots/prequels were incredible
TheCreepWhoCrept@reddit
Mad Max and Rocky are rare exceptions.
LucyintheskyM@reddit
The only good one I can think of was when they redid The Princess Bride.
Loved it.
grimoireskb@reddit
Transformers is more or less okay, the continuities are a bit weird at times, but it’s very rarely “this is how it is now that there’s a new series/new publisher”, it’s more just “New universe, new continuity. No relation to the last series.”
el_bootysnacco@reddit
Bethesda and Fallout
Naz_Oni@reddit
:(
Quolley@reddit
Halo.
No_Temporary9696@reddit
Star Wars, Halloween, Jurassic park, Indiana jones. Basically Disney
Daneel_0@reddit
Lord of the rings :(
VARice22@reddit
Magic the gathering.
alienartissst@reddit
Doctor Who. And this is coming from someone who's been a whovian for 10+ yrs: I've stopped watching ever since Disney got their grubby, greedy mitts on it. It used to be so, so, so good, but now there's annoying, childish musical numbers. And this is coming from someone who likes musicals! There's so much nostalgia baiting, too. (Ngl, the only good that came out of the nostalgia baiting was the episode Wild Blue Yonder, which was fantastic) It's just disappointing. This show saved me from a really dark time in my life, and its sad to see what the HellHouse of Mouse has done to it.
AfroBaggins@reddit
Childish musical numbers have been a thing in the series since at least 2005, they just went over the top with it once RTD took back the showrunner seat.
Chibnall's last special has the Master dancing to Boney M (with a Dalek & Cyberman looking at each other in confusion)
Plenty_Tax_5892@reddit
I have not yet seen anyone mention Scooby Doo and that makes me sad
gandolphin15@reddit
Velma 🤢
AfroBaggins@reddit
Doesn't exist, never happened, don't worry.
DannyBright@reddit
To be fair it’s not like Scooby Doo ever really had consistent lore, it’s often a different continuity with every new iteration.
gazing_the_sea@reddit
Yeah, but Velma is beyond scraping the bottom of the barrel
DannyBright@reddit
And because it’s in its own separate continuity it can be ignored by future media and forgotten. That’s the good thing.
Deathnachos@reddit
Literally every lore heavy story that has been around long enough to be heavily monetized.
Swag_Templar@reddit
Dragon Age
RoIsDepressed@reddit
Doom hasn't, if anything doom got way cooler
mewil666@reddit
Trump and Epstein files
Disco_Biscuit12@reddit
Doctor Who
olivetho@reddit
ngl my interest in doctor who started waning towards the tail end of 12 (everything that happened in that one series post-clara), and this worsened dramatically into the beginning of 13's era. i completely dropped the series on the rosa parks episode because i felt like they took my favourite element (the scifi) out of doctor who - with the only thing left being twitter-approved plots and just straight-up social commentary (as opposed to the social commentary allegories disguised as sci-fi that dominated most of the previous series).
it's like they started caring about the optics more than the actual plot, which just sucks :/
Old-Implement-6252@reddit
Tried watching some of the specials with David Tennet but when one someone had to school, the doctor about an aliens perfered pronouns I lost all interest. Not to mention the "male presenting timelord" comment.
I'm super pro LGBTQ and their representation, but it was so shoe horned in i just had to roll my eyes.
Darkrath_3@reddit
RTD is getting high off his own farts. He removed Davros' wheelchair because he "didn't want to portray disabled people as evil". The only thing this brain dead decision did was remove one of the most iconic cosplay options for people in wheelchairs.
garciawork@reddit
I will say this, I thought Chibnall (writer for Jodie's stint) was terrible, truly awfful, and the first episode in Tennant's arc was VERY poorly done for the reasons you mentioned, the second episode was one of the best of the entire series. We stopped watching after that, as all of the reviews were pretty unanimous that RTD had lost a bit of his luster since he was originally in charge, but I would recommend the second episode highly. Just Tennant and Tate being brilliant.
DarkScorpion48@reddit
Oh you should watch it. It gets even worse later. They get so hamfisted it becomes actually offensive
Jurassic_Bun@reddit
See this one is interesting to me because when the doctor first regenerated into a woman a lot of people raised their eyebrows. A lot where just being hateful but there where many who thought this was attention grabbing and not a good idea, the sad thing is many people where like “next there will be a disabled gay black doctor” or “now it will all be LGBT crap”, and it seems the writers took that as a general suggestion and actually went and did that.
I am pro LGBT+ and women etc as should anyone. However it rubbed me the wrong way because it essentially validated so many people’s complaints about race and gender swapping or other things that entertainment sometimes does to established characters. It really comes across like the writers purposefully want to stir controversy and it’s sad.
Like no one cared before, red in Shawshank is originally white and Morgan smashed that out of the park and no one cared.
Also the writing in Dr Who is plain embarrassing since the changes which has done it no favors at all.
Disco_Biscuit12@reddit
Nick Fury was white in the comic books and Samuel L Jackson crushed that role. Race, gender, sexual orientation aren’t the issue. It’s forcing poor writing for the sake of diversity points or whatever
MufnMaestro@reddit
in this case they were basing his portrayal on the Ultimate Marvel version of Nick Fury... who was modelled 1:1 on Samuel L Jackson (so close, in fact, that when Jackson sued for unauthorized use of his likeness he settled with Marvel by requiring that he play the role if it ever comes to screen)
Aliziun@reddit
I am transgender and I hated this and basically everything to do with Donna’s daughter Rose. Truly one of the most forced things ever
Electronic_Crow9260@reddit
Rivon1471@reddit
he turned the characters into cannons?
w00ms@reddit
World of Warcraft
USEC_was_taken@reddit
John Halo games
Lava39@reddit
Mass effect
StandardN02b@reddit
Mass effect has not changed owners, tho.
Lava39@reddit
I thought BioWare was independent, then bought out by EA and quality went slowly downhill and culminating with the hot mess Andromeda was, no?
Neutron_Starrr@reddit
I mean if that it's the case, then it's far worse for Dragon Age. That was really a shit show, Andromeda was like mediocre but pales in comparison of what Veilguard did to Dragon age
Mak0wski@reddit
Mass Effect is next on the chopping block tho and will probably end up the same as veilguard
spartan_steel@reddit
Andromeda in its current form post bug fixes is a fine game on its own, but the story and writing make it a bad mass effect game.
If it were its own franchise people would probably have a different opinion of its quality.
itskelso96@reddit
Decent game, shitty mass effect
MinosML@reddit
Shit writing is still shit writing no matter the franchise.
Sbotkin@reddit
All four games are made by Bioware and published by EA, nothing changed.
MyDogIsDaBest@reddit
Huh, I was gonna say that mass effect all came after the ea acquisition, but the first was actually before they were acquired.
I'm not a huge ME fan, but I was under the impression that ME2 was the fan favourite, 3 was good aside from the terrible ending and Andromeda was a surprisingly awful piece of shit, but people were originally hyped for, until it released and they saw it.
I never played Andromeda, after 3, that was enough mass effect for me
GeTRoGuE@reddit
Andromeda is a fun action RPG.
It is not a Mass Effect game.
StandardN02b@reddit
True, I did not consider that.
breakfasteveryday@reddit
Yeah
the_gr8_one@reddit
one bad game?
mr_braixen@reddit
Imo, giving Andromeda to a B-Team was the biggest mistake. There's no way this new title will be able to respect all the choices players made back in 3. Andromeda's set up basically meant they didn't need to worry about the choices in the trilogy. But with Andromeda flopping, now they'll go back to whatever knows instead.
TorinLike@reddit
Disco Elysium
planetrebellion@reddit
Epstein list
ComancheViper@reddit
Lord of the Rangz
TheCinniWinni@reddit
Magic the Gathering
StosifJalin@reddit
I was banned like 6 years ago from the subreddit for "brigaiding and karmafarming" when complaining about the direction MTG was going. Had a whole laundry list of predictions and so far every one of them has come true. Just waiting for the total collapse at this point.
Leadfarmerbeast@reddit
Im glad I don’t play competitive so I just don’t have to buy those sets. I got into the game a few years ago and immediately gravitated towards Cube because I realized it meant I could just pick and choose from 30 years of cards and ignore the rest. That format will continue long after WOTC gets liquidated so Hasbro can juice their share price for another quarter.
SullyAddams@reddit
Bigtime. They're abusing the hell out of Universes Beyond to the point where by 2026 more UB sets will have been made than canon MTG sets. Plus the art has slowly gone downhill in favor of a slightly cartoony vibe. MTG has become the Fortnite of TCGs.
Desk-International@reddit
Megamind for sure
uncreativename0587@reddit
For havnt id say adam west batman
True_Destroyer@reddit
Dungeon Keeper
Saren117@reddit
Randy pitchford owns duke nukem
tdreampo@reddit
Doctor Who. thanks Disney.
Starbonius@reddit
Main series Rayman and Crash Bandicoot fans keep winning. There's even possibility for a non rabbids rayman game being worked on.
ThatDeadeye12@reddit
Amazon with lotr
kryotheory@reddit
Everything purchased by Disney.
_KJS_@reddit
Soon James Bond 007..
PaulFartBallCop@reddit
We’re already there after the brofeld bullshit in Spectre and some of the choices they made in NTTD
Laxhoop2525@reddit
It’s going to be Warhammer, the fans thinks it’s already Warhammer, but trust me, it hasn’t started yet.
Jucks@reddit
Star Wars :(
JarrBear206@reddit
Star Wars, Halo, Lord of the Rings
tongon@reddit
The Witcher series :(
Floridaman9393@reddit
Disney Star Wars
Bossmantho@reddit
Lord of the Rings
J_Man_the_german@reddit
Star Wars :(
How2chair@reddit
Halo
Phtevn_@reddit
Doctor Who 2024
TheBlueEmerald1@reddit
Doctor Who
Moore2257@reddit
World of Warcraft
Necroverdose@reddit
Soon to be Subnautica
CptAmazing7@reddit
World of Warcraft
Pep-Sanchez@reddit
Fallout
Narrow_Lee@reddit
Wheel of Prime. Fuck you, Rafe.
poisson_89@reddit
Yup
TBizzle123@reddit
This one, it's just so fucking awful
YaboiFp@reddit
Dune with Brian Herbert
Il-Senso-Critico-RNG@reddit
Mark my words, warhammer.
Not right now, but after the amazon prime show.
Jean-Pierre1er@reddit
Baldur's Gate
fuck_ruroc@reddit
The last of us
generic_reddit_postr@reddit
yup :(
Nub_Salad@reddit
My Little Pony :(
admiral_sinkenkwiken@reddit
Star Trek with the Kelvin timeline
Alokir@reddit
That's fine since it's an alternate timeline.
Discovery is supposed to be canon, tho
SilverInstinct@reddit
Sec_Chief_Blanchard@reddit
I'm just glad that canonically that is an alternate timeline and not an actual reboot and the real timeline is still alive.
ElonTaco@reddit
That makes it even dumber
admiral_sinkenkwiken@reddit
Ehhh not entirely as canon Trek has the mirror universe.
But stood next to canon Trek for quality it’s utter garbage.
Sec_Chief_Blanchard@reddit
Not really it just means it hasn't affected anything else and can exist on its own
Appalachisms@reddit
Halo
AstronautInDenial@reddit
:(
pheonix42069@reddit
everyone saying star wars facts 😔
Hawx130@reddit
Lord of the Rings / Amazon
master_sim@reddit
The Arkham series.
Ohheymanlol@reddit
Waiting for the AI journalism article to say “Many redditors are extremely upset about the IP of Star Wars :( being destroyed. :(“
CMDR_Quillon@reddit
Star Wars :( news: Redditors SLAM Disney over Star Wars :(: "The IP is being destroyed."
funkybossx6@reddit
Star Wars :(
CasuallyBeerded@reddit
LoTR. They made Tom Bombadil a completely different character and for some reason, Galadriel forgot she was married to Celeborn and has the hots for Sauron.
VIIVIMMVIII@reddit
Star Wars :(
SweetTooth275@reddit
"Destroy the lore"? Sure buddy, whatever you say, just go to shower already
coja______@reddit
Star Wars, its not even close.
thegraybusch@reddit
Everyone wants franchises to last forever and never go a direction they don't like or for the quality to dip. Sometimes they need to let shows die and move on to new stories
TemporaMoras@reddit
I feel like a lot more people would prefer a franchise to end at its height. Instead of running for so long, it becomes a parody of what it once was.
It's more like exec/studio head that want every series to last forever, so they never have to take any risk with new IP.
Impossible-Sweet2151@reddit
In a perfect world, guess every franchise would en at its height. Until we get there I guess we have to draw the line ourselves. I'm so sick of movie youtubers saying nothing of quality is made anymore when all the watch is Star Wars, superheroes movies and the flavor of the month.
SullyAddams@reddit
Same goes for games. Halo should have died or did good spinoffs like Reach and ODST after 3. Mass Effect should have ended after 3 and I have zero faith in 4.
Scrubbuh@reddit
Assassin's creed has been going on for way too long.
Comfytendy@reddit
Halos story needs stop retconning everything that happened in the last game.
Thornn05@reddit
fnaf
Geo2605@reddit
Skullgirks
cluckay@reddit
Star Wars and Fallout
RoyalMudcrab@reddit
Star Wars :(
jtheman1738@reddit
:(
animegirlover@reddit
Not funny after the third time
jtheman1738@reddit
:(
LettuceBoie@reddit
:(
thatguygxx@reddit
Star Trek
Tons of books to draw from and a vast area of space for new materials without the drawing from the books.
Instead we get a pre TOS show that has hyper advanced tech that is so advanced when they travel to the far future it's still more advanced. Not to mention Star Trek has/had canon reasons things where the way were or looked that was completely ignored.
Then we get Star Trek Picard they didn't draw from the books either. Season 2 Borg friendly season 3 borg bad again. Also here's the Luna class that was rebuilt into the nostalgia-Constitution class. See we follow the original series don't be mad at us.
SpookiSkeletman@reddit
Halo fallout Netflix Witcher Star wars
Chexreflect@reddit
Hasn’t happened yet but Berserk. Adi Shankar will drop a lore nuke on the series
ReBeastzbruh1659@reddit
devil may cry or any gta after 4 or even vice city
Redpower5@reddit
Fallout.
Fuck your retcons Methesda
DVDPROYTP@reddit
Star wars :(
abelargus_@reddit
Star Wars :( (havent seen a single movie or episode)
SocialBunny198@reddit
Tomb Raider in the hands of Crystal Dynamics.
kyrinyel@reddit
devil may cry
wildmeli@reddit
absolutely crazy how no one has mentioned star ward yet :(
fletcho64@reddit
Star Wars :(
Tsoomer@reddit
Dune. Fuck Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson
ShutUpChunk@reddit
Saints Row. "How let's make the franchise woke!"
What a fucking stupid idea
theGaido@reddit
Magic the Gathering
Zzooot3D-500K@reddit
The coalition and Gears of War. The first 3 games by epic were amazing start to finish and hold some of my best memories ever. Once the coalition took over the muliplayer went from a more tactical cover based shooter to everybody sprints around 24/7 looking for kills. Also don't even get me started on the writing in 4 and 5 omg they suck so bad.
PixelBrush6584@reddit
Any franchise. This happens every time.
SmoothPimp85@reddit
Like... any business?
IanSummer@reddit
Destiny
TLT4@reddit
Jurassic Park or World whatever that drained cashcow is called.
TodayiAteMyCat69@reddit
Randy pitchford
minecraftrubyblock@reddit
Something something 40k female space marines
Vegas-Ranger@reddit
Halo
Cock_Lake93@reddit
The witcher :[
A5H13Y@reddit
The Witcher
Des8559@reddit
40k
ZombieChillPill@reddit
Heroes of might and magic
Nine-LifedEnchanter@reddit
Star Wars :(
RaiderCat_12@reddit
Star Wars:(
sideswipe84@reddit
Naruto(Boruto)
Jeki4anes@reddit
Doom
CptNeon@reddit
Star Wars wins this one
ImNotTheMonsieurJack@reddit
Fallout
WulfricTheSwift@reddit
Anything bought by Disney really
badadobo@reddit
MAGIC THE GATHERING
PresidentBreadstick@reddit
What’s wrong? Dont like having SpongeBob SquarePants in your game instead of an actual lore pack?
(God I can’t believe they did that.)
PlonixMCMXCVI@reddit
Fallout
ConscientiousPath@reddit
I would argue a bit with the premise. Most franchises that actually change hands are well taken care of because the people who buy them did so in part because they cared about them. The ones that get really messed up are the ones that originate with a large corporations and stay with that corporation as it grows, merges with larger corporations, and loses both the original creatives who invented the franchise and/or any moral compass it may have had.
Dat_Syfilis@reddit
Not really, but i guess harry potter could go here
thatdiabetic16@reddit
Fallout after New Vegas cough tv show cough
nnoovvaa@reddit
Doctor Who
GreenRiot@reddit
None. If I don't recognize or buy anything after X company bought it they can't do jack about it.
If someone dismantles a frachise I like I consider it done and everything about it is paid fan fics.
Nothing needs to last forever.
Oinpods@reddit
For me? Def the Might & magic franchise
Allison-Ghost@reddit
Life is Strange.
After the first game, Square Enix basically handed over the IP to a dev company that had only ever made a ragdoll throwing sim (PAIN) and Neopets spinoffs... And then proceeded to pump out a million other poorly made games using scab voice actors to strikebreak and dollar brand graphics artists
Now the series is basically just Pandering Simulator anyway so it never really improved. Newest entry completely shits all over the first game as well
I-Am-Polaris@reddit
Star Wars :(
Valuable_Pear9654@reddit
This image is literally Adi Shankar
ConscientiousPath@reddit
Star Wars was messed up before George Lucas even gave up control (Han shot first!)
Warhammer 40k except again the company didn't sell off the rights they just hired a bunch of morons.
The Witcher TV series after Season 1, and then even faster once Henry Cavil was on the way out. (though from the start it was plagerism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkiP64adGjY but I don't care about that so much as I care about them destroying all the elements they copied that were making it an epic story)
Ironlandscape@reddit
Magic the gathering
atastycooky@reddit
Ea with dragon age. It was slow tho
GroomaGooma@reddit
High school dxd
StrictFatherlyFigure@reddit
Trigun the reboot is awful
Jovios@reddit
Star Wars, Halo, D&D, really most things from the last few years
pizoisoned@reddit
Star Wars is the obvious choice, but Paramount hasn’t been kind to Star Trek either, outside of SNW (with the exception of that one episode).
Alokir@reddit
SNW is good compared to the other newer shows. I don't really think it's that great overall, tho.
Mandosauce@reddit
Star Wars :(
light--treason@reddit
It's Star Wars.
LustVR@reddit
Star wars
LettuceBoie@reddit
:(
LustVR@reddit
:(
Elonmustnot@reddit
Fallout, not really destroying that much but still worse than what original devs intended
Silver-Performer818@reddit
Wow nobody here talking about max payne tells how bad they incinerated the franchise
PristineAd4761@reddit
Star Wars :(
jtheman1738@reddit
:(
LettuceBoie@reddit
:(
Gogrian@reddit
star wars makes me sad
LettuceBoie@reddit
:(
Ryachaz@reddit
Star Wars :(
LettuceBoie@reddit
:(
SkyrimFan42@reddit
Star Wars :(
LettuceBoie@reddit
:(
Cleveworth@reddit
Star Wars :)
LettuceBoie@reddit
:(
Chikibari@reddit
FF7 remake
darklink594594@reddit
Star Wars :(
LettuceBoie@reddit
:(
rinkusonic@reddit
:( Star wars:( :(
LettuceBoie@reddit
:(
some_dude5@reddit
Star Wars :(
jtheman1738@reddit
:(
LettuceBoie@reddit
:(
toothboye@reddit
Spunchbob
tomtheconqerur@reddit
Halo, holy shit what happened to that was a horror story.
Razzzorr@reddit
Dragon Age
disguy2k@reddit
Spiderman/batman. How many times can they reboot the same franchise.
jokeularvein@reddit
The new Spider-Man games are Masterpieces. You take that back
ElNicko89@reddit
Spider-Man PS4 is a great game with a largely fantastic story (bar a few dumb points) but Miles Morales and Spider-Man 2 are a trainwreck story-wise. The gameplay arguably became better but 2 stripped largely any stealth gameplay and replaced them with the redundant abilities (which basically just meant the symbiote because why would you bother with the main ones once you had the symbiote?)
For having 2 main characters the story being less than 20 hours is criminal, no one gets any real earned development and any advancement of character is shown as an event, not a natural progression. Case in point, Martin Li is suddenly not so bad of a guy after wanting to poison the city like a year ago and helps Spider-Man out of nowhere. Or Kraven allegedly wanting to have a fierce 1v1 with Spider-Man yet bringing a whole band of cronies to kill them for him.
Beyond this, the game’s just flat-out wasted potential and reeks of poor direction and understanding about what made the original game great. People really disliked the non-Spider-Man sections and wanted them gone, the solution? Double down on it and completely break any immersion by letting MJ one shot any guy that it would take Spider-Man a flurry of punches to do. People wanted more side content for the Spider-Men to tackle, the solution? Effectively halve the amount that each of them get and make the ones they do get largely God-awful like any of the school side quests for Miles, and don’t get me started on the pivotal mission where we play as Miles’ deaf gf (that’s her whole personality btw) and graffiti a few things. It’s all just so unnecessary and frankly baffling with how much potential these characters have.
That’s just the surface, the wasted potential of multiple villains, the unfinished storylines, the character assassination, etc. runs rampant. The game is my personal definition of style over substance, and was massively disappointing for me.
Ignizze@reddit
World of Warcraft
Hollywood_60@reddit
This is what boruto has done to naruto
inforbation@reddit
Star Wars :(
givemeausernameplzz@reddit
:(
Talkingmice@reddit
Star Wars has the votes
givemeausernameplzz@reddit
:(
Popcornmean@reddit
Star Wars :(
givemeausernameplzz@reddit
:(
KoolKidEight@reddit
star wars
givemeausernameplzz@reddit
:(
pointlesslyredundant@reddit
Star Wars :(
givemeausernameplzz@reddit
:(
_I_must_be_new_here_@reddit
Star Wars :(
givemeausernameplzz@reddit
:(
paracomca@reddit
Star wars :)
givemeausernameplzz@reddit
:(
OneTwentyOneFunyuns@reddit
Star Wars :(
givemeausernameplzz@reddit
:(
ThatGuyYouMightNo@reddit
Duke Nukem
Upper-Ad7281@reddit
Star wars :(
givemeausernameplzz@reddit
:(
TheMago3011@reddit
Star Wars. The answer is Star Wars and we all know it.
I'm willing to bet the OG OP had Star Wars in mind making this.
givemeausernameplzz@reddit
:(
dorritosncheetos@reddit
Marvel?
TheWildColonialBoy1@reddit
Dungeons and Dragons.
lorddarkhelm@reddit
Fallout :(
LordSaltious@reddit
Bethesda.
theologous@reddit
War Hammer Star Wars Lord of the Rings Wheel of Time
AvalosDragon@reddit
Star Trek
roehnin@reddit
*canon or shut up
theDefa1t@reddit
Halo. One man. One man and his misunderstanding of the lore and blatant statements led us to messy lore with 343i
MadokaKanameSan@reddit
Halo
runswithclippers@reddit
Bayonetta 3
Macdeise33@reddit
Halo
lavafish80@reddit
COD and Gears of War
or just Xbox in general
Sec_Chief_Blanchard@reddit
CoD has always been Activision
ChemicalChildhood122@reddit
petz
8hAheWMxqz@reddit
star wars, warcraft, dragon age, mass effect
MisterBobAFeet@reddit
Cobra Kai was a wonderful love letter to the Karate Kid movies and respected the source material and fans throughout its run.
Kung fu kid and whatever the fuck Sony Pictures is doing doesn't count.
Weber_Head@reddit
Star Wars
MisterBobAFeet@reddit
:(
JustAKonchu@reddit
Lord of the Rings
notexecutive@reddit
Sly Cooper 4 :/
Isneezepepsi@reddit
I can’t believe they let Sanzaru give that game a cliffhanger ending
EquinoxRanger@reddit
Fallout
AbortionBulld0zer@reddit
Baldurs gate
Immortal_Merlin@reddit
Bethesda.
Yes i know question is aboyt games, but bethesda ruin even their own games
Andre_Type_0-@reddit
Halo
logunleonov@reddit
Why greentexts became regular reddit posts but with extra steps
goofus19@reddit
Duke Nukem