The Corvette Stingray Is an American Cayman Killer: Video Review
Posted by DerBootsMann@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 133 comments
Posted by DerBootsMann@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 133 comments
LordDarthShader@reddit
Dead steering feel, no feedback, no manual transmission and 400/500 lbs more than the Cayman. It also tends to understeer and its 60 to 130 is what, high 9s or low 10s?
Hardly a killer, the Cayman it's really a good driver's car. The C8 is a weird looking pony car. The C08 Z06 is a different story.
evol450@reddit
As an owner of a C8 Stingray, I 100% agree with this. I’m currently trying to sell mine to get into another R8 or a C8 Z06. The Stingray is a good car for the masses, but if you’re an enthusiast, look elsewhere.
Bassdistortion@reddit
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. It is capable, but definitely feels like a sports car for the person who wants a sports car that's mundane enough for everyday duties. It doesn’t have a personality.
SonnyG696@reddit
Ok, so nobody talks about this, but I’m pretty sure the “dead steering” is a result of not only the electronic tuning of the power assist, but also the suspension; the stock c8 and its wheels by default have a scrub radius of exactly 0. The reason the z06 has more steering feel is also due to the larger front wheeels which gives a bit of positive scrub radius, which directly impacts steering feel.
I’ve added 1” wider wheels vs stock and have also noticed more steering feel to the point where I thought I was imagining things and then I found out about scrub radius.
randeus@reddit
Suspension geometry really plays a big role in how a car’s steering feels and it’s really overlooked. My car is somewhat infamous for not giving good steering, but a combination of lowering it, stiffer suspension, front control arms with extended ball joints, and wider front tires all completely transformed its steering feels and precision. I don’t think it’s just as simple as “EPS bad”.
SonnyG696@reddit
+1. Honestly most modern manufacturers have engineered steering feel away since from an every day perspective, most people don’t want a chatty at wheel, poses some durability issues, and for high performance driving, it’s almost entirely irrelevant—90% of the communication you get from the car is from the seat/your butt.
It’s a vocal minority of car reviewers that have brought public attention to “steering feel” and people parroting it. Companies have been engineering it out since way back in the early ‘00’s (e46 for example, nobody complained about its numb steering)
evol450@reddit
I have 20/21 wheels on my car with wider tires. Our old company Ford Focus had better steering feel.
SonnyG696@reddit
I think comparing wheel sizes is not super helpful. Knowing stock scrub radius along with stock wheel width and stock offsets for comparing the new scruv radius is they only way to isolate power steering tuning
737northfield@reddit
The masses will call me a Porsche fanboy but the Z06 doesn’t fix the issues. Rides like a magic carpet and still has super over boosted steering in the most hardcore mode.
This is a super overused saying but it really does feel videogamey.
Kaiathebluenose@reddit
The 981 is pretty boring at low speeds and the steering sucks. The C8 steering really isn’t that bad. The 718’s is definitely better tho.
HURCANADA@reddit
Hard disagree on steering. My 981 has a GT3 software flash and it has better steering than a 718, which also feels slightly overboosted. I drove my friend's 718S on twisties while he drove my 981, I focused on steering feel and didn't like it as much. C8 is legit terrible in terms of feel, feels like an arcade racer.
Kaiathebluenose@reddit
You can’t compare your modified steering. You had to modify it because it sucks
Contralogic@reddit
How do you compare your three car steering, M2, and nd3, 987. I have an NC3, and like it, has good feel
Kaiathebluenose@reddit
987 is good, it’s heavy and decent feedback. Better than electronic racks. The ND is pretty decent for electronic steering. I think it fits the car. The m2 is not awful. It’s the best in comfort mode actually. But definitely worst of the 3, pretty numb, no feed back.
Best steering I have tried was an Elise. And then 987, and then 718. I haven’t driven many old sports cars tho.
RunninOnMT@reddit
This is helpful. I want to buy an ND3 in the next few years, I think it’ll compliment the m2 comp nicely.
Thanks!
737northfield@reddit
I think you’re underselling how devoid of feedback the C8 EPS rack and chassis is. It’s like riding on magic carpet that you can steer with a pinkie finger.
Great GT car but engaging it is not. Neither is fun at low speeds so sort of moot point.
Kaiathebluenose@reddit
I thought it was as fun to drive. I was ripping it. I really like the cockpit. The cockpit alone makes it feel engaging to me.
dustygator@reddit
You are comparing a super car to a sports car. They have completely different design philosophies and goals.
With the C8 the Corvette has repositioned itself as a supercar rather than the peoples sport car that the nameplate has long represented. It's divisive looks are a feature, not a bug. Every version provides track performance well beyond it's price.
For the past decade, the cheap, engaging, fun to drive sports car in the Chevy lineup has been the Camaro, not the Corvette.
clear831@reddit
Not many people see the C8 as a super car.
dustygator@reddit
It's a super car in every aspect except badge/brand image, which is obviously not the car's fault.
Last I checked, Genesis has had a meteoric rise as the go-to affordable luxury brand. But people driving BMW/Mercedes/Audi will still gatekeep them as not being true luxury because it's Korean and the brand doesn't have history. I don't think Hyundai cares what enthusiasts on the internet have to say; they're laughing all the way to the bank.
t001_t1m3@reddit
Part of the definition of supercar is exclusivity. The Corvette is simply too common and Chevrolet dealers don’t make it as nightmarish to buy compared to a Ferrari or limited-edition 911.
Gwolf4@reddit
Your are confusing super car with exotic.
Tushroom@reddit
Okay, ChatGPT.
strongmanass@reddit
Not everything is ChatGPT. One of the unfortunate side effects of ChatGPT is people thinking everything written in an itemized way for clarity must have been AI-generated, and then using the accusation to shut down discussion.
Tushroom@reddit
That comment is 100% AI generated. This isn’t a marketing ad. Nobody says “nameplate” in conversation. Also nobody with common sense calls the Corvette a super car and the first sentence is nonsensical. “You’re comparing a sports car to a super car.” The argument is that the Cayman, a sports car, is better than the Corvette, a supposed super car. It’s a dumb argument to say, “You can’t say the lesser category is a better car because super cars are a higher category!”
strongmanass@reddit
AI wouldn't inconsistently misuse the possessive apostrophe. Or the definite article. It reads more like a fluent but not quite native-level English speaker.
dustygator@reddit
"Anyone worse than me is is a loser and anyone better than me is a cheater" applied to writing. Just because you are too stupid and lazy to put other a meaningful refutation of my argument () doesn't make me
Tushroom@reddit
Looks like I touched a nerve for pointing out that you didn’t proofread what your AI slop was arguing.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
People who use CGPT to write everything for them think everything is CGPT. They’re unaware that people can have coherent thoughts without computer aid. It’s projection.
dustygator@reddit
I'm ASD and was stoned when writing my post; so I guess it's only appropriate that u/stone-autistic-dude is backing me up here.
Kaiathebluenose@reddit
Talking about dead steering feel and no feed back and you bought a m240i. The cayman is a really good drivers car. But it can also feel pretty sterile and too clinical.
LordDarthShader@reddit
It's my wife's car.
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
How dare you have a wife. Downvote this man
SteveS117@reddit
Calling a Corvette a pony car is maybe the most braindead take I’ve ever seen.
xlb250@reddit
I think the connection makes a lot of sense if you look at it through the lens of who’s actually buying the car and how they use it.
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
Do you own an Integra by any chance
SteveS117@reddit
Since when are car classes based on who buys them? This is the first I’ve ever heard anyone try to claim that.
Your second paragraph really proves that corvette buyers aren’t the same group too. Pony car drivers tend to be younger in my experience. Corvette drivers are older.
Either way, the corvette is not and has never been a pony car. It’s an absurd thing to even suggest.
xlb250@reddit
Would you say that the Corvette (2 seat, mid engine) and 911 (2+2, rear engine) are in the same car class?
SteveS117@reddit
Depending on the trim for each, they’re pretty similar in terms of class. It’s been that way for a while. 911 is more luxurious generally so that differentiates them.
Still though, you’ve proven you don’t know much if you think a Corvette is a pony car.
Penguinho@reddit
I feel like you're describing Porsche buyers as much as anyone here.
Confucius_said@reddit
Also Chevy interiors age so bad. Family use to own a Chevy dealer. Have had plenty of chevys and Cadillacs in the family. All looked horrendous inside after a few years.
BTTWchungus@reddit
Very bold to complain about the Corvette interior when you own an X254 GLC
Confucius_said@reddit
My GLC interior hasn’t aged well either. I wasn’t really complaining about the Chevy cockpit I was mainly talking about the plastics and materials get super shiny and look cheap after a while. Then again I guess people don’t really care for their cars like most do on here.
Hubblesphere@reddit
Tends to understeer? I guess you just leave the stock alignment on all your sports cars?
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Understeer is an alignment issue. Add some toe and camber and your money. That’s the cheapest fix you can have.
randeus@reddit
Steering feedback is subjective and more often than not can be solved with better bushings/control arms/tires/etc. But what isn’t subjective is the C8’s unmatched performance for the price, where it easily matches Porsche. I don’t know how it’s been this many years and people still refuse to give the C8 its flowers, but it’s a great car.
LordDarthShader@reddit
It's a great value for the money, that is for sure.
blue_bomber697@reddit
Steering is a negative for sure, but the engine is a giant positive. Faster car, waaaaaay better sound, nicer interior (yes it is, Porsche Purists come at me), and a more engaging car whether being driven to get groceries or 10/10 on the track. 60-130 is in the 9’s yes, highly dependent on DA. Can range from high 8’s to low 10’s given the DA being naturally aspirated. The Cayman is like 11-12s so I mean, can’t be hating on the C8 for that lol.
HURCANADA@reddit
Interesting that people are finally catching up to this. I had this exact same take a couple of years ago and it was very controversial lol
Trollygag@reddit
Idk why this is an article. The base Corvette has been a base/mid-level 911 killer for 40 years. Last year was the first time a Z06 didn't smoke the contemporary generation GT3 around Nurburgring apples-to-apples on format/driver, though we are about to get Chevy's factory test results in the not too distant future.
blunt-but-true@reddit
What car has had the engine in front of the front wheels then?
seahwkslayer@reddit
Subaru, Audi (longitudinal stuff), a bunch of older FWD stuff that predates the Mini (i.e. Citroen 2CV, various Saabs, etc).
If you're counting on the axle and not just clearly ahead of the axle, that'll be most things that are longitudinal FR.
Trollygag@reddit
No idea and probably none, but that's not what front engine means. Front engine means the engine is placed ahead of or inbetween the front wheels. I gave examples of front engine cars in my comment.
Mid engine means the engine is between the front and rear wheels so that instead of the moment of inertia on the yaw axis pushing on only the front (understeer) or the rear (oversteer), it is minimized through centralizing the inertia and more balanced between the front/rear.
There are no exactly middle engine cars, they are either front-mid like the Corvette, Viper, Shelby Cobra, Ferrari Superfast and some other high performance cars - visually distinctive because they have very long hoods and appear like you're sitting on or very close to the rear axle - necessary because the engine is entirely behind the front wheels, or they are front-rear engine like McLarens, Lambos, the C8, the MR2, Caymans and often appearing to have long tails and not much going on past the rear wheel.
Rear-mid have advantage in weight over the rear wheels under acceleration, but have a lot more challenges with cooling and packaging than front-mid.
Fun anecdote - the BMW Z4 has a very long nose and a short deck, making it look front-mid, but it is in fact a true front-engine car. It looks like one because the N52/N54 is a straight 6 and very long engine. The Z4 GT3 car (that's a racing class) uses a shorter/more compact but larger displacement V8 that makes similar power to the S55 (turbo straight 6) they put in the Z4M, but the packaging let them move the engine rearward into a front-mid configuration.
dam_sharks_mother@reddit
The #1 under-reported and shocking truth about the C8 Corvette: the steering feel is absolutely dead. If you don't care about this, go buy one! But for people who do care about these things, I'd strongly urge you to test drive one before buying.
On paper the Z06 looked like an incredible bargain but after driving one on Turo (local dealer would not let me test drive)....all I can say is that expectation vs. reality is a thing. Any flirtation of selling my 911 evaporated immediately after that drive.
tractorcrusher@reddit
People doing free advertising for Corvette, so hot right now.
Pugs-r-cool@reddit
It’s a car review. It’s not the same thing as an advert.
hughcifer-106103@reddit
Most car reviews seem to be adverts, not actual reviews.
Nefilim314@reddit
It’s motor1. Barely more substance than single ply toilet paper.
R_V_Z@reddit
All car reviews are adverts. Occasionally they advertise cars other than the one being reviewed.
tractorcrusher@reddit
The constant stream of Corvette related posts to this sub is certainly suspect
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
Ford driver mad people like a Chevy lol
tractorcrusher@reddit
I don’t like Ford more than Chevy, you don’t know what I’ve owned. Get fucked.
ManufacturerBest2758@reddit
Super normal reaction
woodsides@reddit
It's a good car?
tractorcrusher@reddit
It’s a fast car, only time will tell if it’s good
handymanshandle@reddit
They’ve been around for over 5 years now. If that’s not a long enough time frame to judge a car on, I’m not really sure what is.
jawnlerdoe@reddit
I think you have to be living under a rock to say that. It is a good car. It’s been out for years. We know it’s a good car.
elinyera@reddit
Probably because of the two new models in addition to the big interior refresh.
IAmTaka_VG@reddit
Man people will never give Chevrolet credit will they lmao.
You’re right, let’s all just read about another 911 special that for an extra 40k it shaves 3lbs and gets a 4 hp boost.
ImJustStealingMemes@reddit
Only 40k? Sold!
Spaghetto23@reddit
well? is your flair free advertising for ford?
Competitive-Reach287@reddit
No manual transmission available in Corvette. Deal killer.
Kaiathebluenose@reddit
While I am a manual purist. I think the DCT suits the C8. And it’s hard to argue the value of the C8. I’m thinking of buying one right now and it’s hard to pick other cars over it. I’m looking at a boxster 4.0, and it’s 25k more than the c8 (both used). I’ve owned a boxster GTS 2.5 already I’m not sure it’s really worth the premium. I think the c8 would be a better daily. I also would pick an Emira over the cayman/boxster
Crafty-Ad-9048@reddit
The manual 718 is geared like corvettes lol. the C6 had some long gears but I don’t think they were as long as the ones in the 718
parker2020@reddit
I’ve driven both a base and GTS 2.5 cayman and I don’t think the 1-2 and 2-1 shifting gets enough hate… it’s long gears but that’s not my biggest issue with that gear box
caterham09@reddit
Well the cayman is also no longer available with a manual. Or any transmission. So it's a mute point
incubus512@reddit
Moot point.
strongmanass@reddit
No it's a moo point. It's like a cow's opinion...it's moo
badcrass@reddit
I toad a so
koopa00@reddit
Nobody wants to admit they ate nine cans of ravioli
Prestigious-Mess5485@reddit
Bone apple tea
DookieMcDookface@reddit
George Costanza said it’s a Moop point
Competitive-Reach287@reddit
Still got a few months....maybe.
Ran4@reddit
Not in most of the world
EngagedInConvexation@reddit
Moot is the word meaning "irrelevant" that better applies to your statement.
Mute means "unable to speak" or "to silence."
OtterCreek_Andrew@reddit
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO STICK THE DCT UP MY ASS WTF
ImJustStealingMemes@reddit
With enough lube
Educational_Age_1333@reddit
I love these articles and comment sections because whether it's accurate or not every Porsche fans in this sub rushes to tell you why Porsches are better because nothing bothers them more than being constantly compared to the Corvette.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Porsche owners are in a way insufferable. They think it’s God’s car. Meanwhile a majority of the owners get colonoscopies from Miatas on any track that has turns bc they grew up in fast cars and rely on electronic nannies to help them drive fast.
737northfield@reddit
Shit take. Local PCA Autocross is like 20% Miatas and everyone is chill. Probably 50% of the old farts in Turbo S’s or whatever owned an NA/NB back when they were new.
S2K owner really doesn’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to being insufferable. Deeply flawed platform with a great engine that Honda people act like is God’s gift to earth.
Owned three. The groups and people who own them are usually young and annoying.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Deeply flawed platform is a stretch. The only significant flaw is rear suspension droop which is largely resolved running something like AS Motorsports’ Motons. Besides that, there is a solution to resolve every conceivable issue including steering feel. There is a reason it’s still a competitive platform that’s still raced 25 years after launch with ongoing development from companies like Urge with their 10k RPM F22C1. It’s almost as if the platform is really good for companies to continue to invest in it, similar to the R32-34 GTR and companies in Australia putting substantial resources into keeping the cars alive and competitive. Because if the platform sucked, it wouldn’t receive ongoing development, e.g., 300ZX, 3000GT.
Meanwhile, Porsche owners consistently think Porsches are cars from God, especially younger owners who graduated to them from BMWs. The older guys running Turbos who drove Miatas are the minority, not the majority of owners. The minority of Porsche owners are the exception, not the rule. But talk to anyone who graduated from an M-car to a Porsche, which is a lot of owners—a majority in my experience living in LA and meeting more Porsche owners than I care to think about—and you will arrive at the same conclusion. Your experience as a Cayman owner is not analogous to 992 GT3 owners who needed to buy 10 other Porsches to get an allocation.
737northfield@reddit
The fact you felt the need to write a big-ass paragraph just proves my point about the owners being defensive and insufferable. It's a fat convertible that needs a lot of massaging to fix the inherent flaws of the platform, including the steering feel.
Unless I'm missing something new, running wider tires and getting an alignment does not fix the monstrosity that is a 90s EPS rack. Come on, dude. I don't want to be a dick and call it cope, but it's cope.
Look at what it takes for an S2000 to be competitive with a modern sports car. They have to run a wing so fucking big it would make a Road Runner blush. And who knew canards were actually functional?
You have to completely ruin the streetability of the car for it to be mildly competitive with a track-pack S550 w/cooled leather seats and a 12-speaker stereo that plays Sabrina Carpenter while you're on the back straight of COTA.
There are just better ways to go quick around a track than trying to overcome a platform's flaws. The only person I know who tracks his S2000 regularly switched to a K24 years ago. I'm sure the thought of moving to a 10k rpm F22C would be hilarious to him and only reasonably entertained by internet jockeys who don't actually track, or really rich guys who haven't moved on from the S.
Your problem seems more with the LA car scene than Porsche itself. The vast majority of Porsche owners who show up to track events here are in Caymans, Boxsters, and normie 911s. If they're in a GT3, it's a 991.1 on its third motor that's beat to shit every weekend. Most often a pretty cool dude.
Not my fault you met some snobs on Angeles Crest.
FreshSetOfBatteries@reddit
Literal strawman here
HURCANADA@reddit
A lot of Porsche owners are Miata fans. I know at least 10 owners that have both 911/Caymans and Miatas. Don't agree with this take
If you care about driving dynamics, the C8 is just not it on public roads
brolix@reddit
Please tell is what about a C8 is not good enough for public roads. Please stay within speed limits and traffic.
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
You have slow car fast, fast car slow and a V8, the dream.
Nefilim314@reddit
Idk, I’m a Porsche fan who is rapidly becoming a non-fan because they have been jacking up prices year after year and the mystique and heritage aren’t going to justify a Civic Type R Price Delta between itself and its competition.
PrudentFarmers@reddit
It's weird how Porsche seems to think they can just be Ferrari competitors by just shifting the price of their cars to be in line with Ferraris.
I need to start a car company, apparently. Seems like I can just manifest my cars that cost $40,000 to engineer and assemble into $185,000.
KingKontinuum@reddit
Honestly this applies to fans of any car brand
strongmanass@reddit
Porsche management and EU regulators are the Cayman killer.
Threedawg@reddit
Ah yes, blame regulators for keeping the society safe and fair for all. Its not like the vast majority of the EU has lower crash/fatality ratings per mile driven and cleaner air than the United States.
Wait...
blunt-but-true@reddit
Let’s all just stop driving then we will be safer and cleaner
Threedawg@reddit
Only an idiot would think "lets make cars safer and pollute less" is the equivalent of "lets not drive at all"
strongmanass@reddit
I didn't blame anybody. I made a statement of fact and phrased it in a pithy way to mimic the title of the OP article. I expanded on it in a comment further down the chain. Porsche management decided the next Cayman would be electric. The ICE model can't be extended on its current platform because it doesn't meet EU cybersecuruty regulations.
cornskin@reddit
Interesting. Why do you say that?
strongmanass@reddit
Porsche decided to make the next Cayman and Boxster EV. The decision was made several years ago when nobody seemed to want them and EV sentiment was different, so it sounded like a better idea then. But performance EV demand is tricky to forecast, so they're having some challenges.
Meanwhile they can't extend the ICE Boxster/Cayman lifetime because it doesn't comply with EU cybersecurity regulations. Modifying it to comply would cost more money than they'd get from a few thousand sales per year, and that's before the impact to the emissions would have on their fleet economy.
They've backed themselves into a corner - made worse by the bankruptcy of their battery supplier and subsequent challenges meeting the performance goals of the EV Boxster/Cayman - and now nobody knows when the car will be released.
I_COMMENT_2_TIMES@reddit
Woah, battery supplier woes too?
strongmanass@reddit
Yeah. Northvolt filed for chapter 11 last year. There's been some inconsistency in the reporting. Some sources say Porsche is still using them because the chapter 11 filing allowed them to continue operations, but at the very least it delayed things. And Valmet who is assembling the packs got fed up with Porsche's demands to repeatedly redesign the pack on their dollar, so I think there were negotiations there too, which caused some more delays.
HeliosCosmos@reddit
Motor1 slop "article." The article doesn't even remotely compare the two, probably because it'd be stupid to do so.
Basically, the article just says the C8 feels more like a sports car than ever before, and previous Corvettes fell short. I mean, the Corvette has never been considered the pinnacle of driver feedback or anything (it still isn't), but has this guy driven a Z06 or ZR1 before? Yes the C8 is a big step up but I don't know how higher trim Corvettes "don't feel like sports cars."
Anyhow this is stupid engagement bait. It got me to click just to leave a comment shitting on it. It's apples to oranges, but you don't even care enough to comment on the orange. Both are fruits but do many things very differently. Looking at these comments though this rage bait works.. People are genuinely pressed about the title not realising it's obviously bait.
Educational_Age_1333@reddit
Credit where credits due they always drive engagement by incredible rage bait titles
badcoupe@reddit
Sad it takes GM’s best to compete with Porsches lowest, I expect nothing less from generic motors, some has to build shitty rental cars and vehicles for poor people
Sea_Disaster_7120@reddit
Says the dude with 2 crackhead beaters you can buy on craigslist for a combined 7k
CharacterMedium558@reddit
I like how everyone is arguing between Cayman and C8.
If you want the best engagement you buy Miata and throw a few thousand in suspension, brakes, tires, and maybe a steering rack. The latest Cayman S weighs about 800lbs more than a ND Miata Manual. In other words 33% more! A C8 stingray weighs 500lbs more than a Cayman S PDK. Both cars are absolute boats and will never ever come close to the engagement and rawness of a Miata.
Cayman GTS 4.0 is the only Porsche that currently offers that dual personality between exotic, daily drivable, and track ready. GT3/4 and RS versions are way to extreme and ride like absolutely dog**** on the street. Especially living in Michigan with some of the worst roads in America, I can attest to that fact.
All C8 seemed to be tuned to be more like a GTS 4.0 in the fact they are able to offer a dual personality. The steering and feedback is worse. But I do think it's acceptable when you replace the stock all season run flats stingrays come with. It may never steer as well as a Porsche, but I'd wager it's better than many cars around that price range like a Z Nismo, Supra 3.0, Dark Horse, LC500, C63, G80 M3, RS5, i8, NSX, etc.
At the end of the day, Emira and Cayman are lighter, sporty, and more compromised. Personally the base/S Cayman are so terrible just because the engine is one of the worst I've experienced in any 2 seater vehicle. EVER. Sounds terrible and has an ABSURD amount of turbo lag. Emira 2.0T is a bit better but still meh. Unless I'm getting a 4.0 GTS or Emira V6, I'd rather be in a C8. And if I want a vehicle that is raw, light, and nimble with an amazing feel, braking, steering, etc I'd get a Miata. Cayman is way too heavy and meh once you've driven a well sorted Miata with like 5K dumped into it.
Also older Cayman and corvettes are more engaging and sometimes sound better than newer Cayman and corvettes.
xlb250@reddit
I wanted to like the Miata, but the steering is so dead.
CharacterMedium558@reddit
Totally agree. Stock they are dull. Also the body roll is pretty hilarious on all Miatas. That's why I was saying you would have to dump like 5K to make it better. Or just buy an older Miata
WarCrimeGaming@reddit
Now if only they could fix the transmissions breaking straight from the factory or with low mileage
BrendanKwapis@reddit
“No manuelle so it’s terrible” - the 12 year olds in this comment section who will never even be able to afford a Cayman or Corvette in their life
Pliskin_Hayter@reddit
Theyre just idiots who only have driven slow POS cars that are dogshit without a manual trans.
An actual good car is still good without a manual even if you prefer manual.
VEGA3519@reddit
My god it's not a Cayman Killer. Corvette is a super car. End of story
Spaghetto23@reddit
still a sports car. apples to apples
turb0_encapsulator@reddit
the fact that these are being compared just shows how few sports cars there are on the market now.
OtterCreek_Andrew@reddit
I owned a GT4, also drive the c8 z06 and gt4 on the same track on the same tires.
The z06 is faster no doubt but the gt4 is still more fun and gives better feedback. Z06 will just be like we’re good we’re good we’re good WEEEE WE’RE SLIDING. GT4 is like we’re good we’re good you sure about that bro? okay that’s better we’re good.
The electronic brake booster gave me aids
But z06 will still turn faster laps so it is what it is I guess
ExoticAcanthaceae426@reddit
In 20 years, which do you want in your garage.
Motohvayshun@reddit
lol have you seen the price of used Caymans? Let’s be real here, people only buy Caymans when they can’t afford a 911.
Also late gen Caymans look goofy. In a good way, but goofy.
Kaiathebluenose@reddit
Whichever one you enjoy driving more
PrimitiveThoughts@reddit
The a Stingray is slightly faster on every track, but I would like see how they compare on a tighter and more technical drive like Hwy 9.
blunted09@reddit
Nobody is cross shopping a Chevrolet with a Porsche….
easyice_@reddit
Laughs in Porsche
Your car might be faster but your girl likes mine better.
kingoflint282@reddit
Isn’t the Cayman dead already?
thisisjustascreename@reddit
The Corvette doesn't compete with the Cayman, it competes with bigger lazier cars like the 911.
g-4-ces@reddit
The first comment is better than the article.
GVIrish@reddit
He's right on the subjective points, wrong on performance. No 718 short of a GT4RS is gonna beat a C8 z51 plug around a racetrack. Not that it really matters that much, the various Corvette trims are faster than a lot of cars, but it doesn't fit everyone's tastes.
to_the_victors_91@reddit
Its stupid proportions is even more maddening exactly because it’s such a perfect sports car/gt in everything else it does for the money.