Hamas submits ‘positive response’ to ceasefire proposal in major step toward a deal
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BabylonianWeeb@reddit
I am way more surprised that Israel is accepting this.
Waffles86@reddit
Israel knows they can violate the ceasefire like the last one and they’ll keep getting armed by the United States
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
And by the UK and Germany.
HP_civ@reddit
During the first quarter of 2025, we sold the following amount of weapons to the following countries:
those were the top three, then down on 10th place is Israel with 27.973.483 €. Source
In 2023, the list is as follows:
Israel on place 7 with 326.505.156. The year before they were on place 31 (!).
Source is on page 81 of this report
The stuff that was sold to them was 30% armoured, all-terrain vehicles or parts for these; 30% electronic hardware for communication, navigation monitoring; 12% machines for making military equipment, 7% parts for submarines. Curious that these numbers don't add up to 100%. There is no ammunition of any kind listed.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Current genocide*
You are quite literally supplying a genocide.
HP_civ@reddit
27 million is nothing in terms of military equipment. And submarines don't do the dirty work over there. You are lounging at the wrong tree. I would like this shit to stop as well but it's not submarines that make the difference.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
I'm sure you'd feel the same if those millions were going directly to Russia
HP_civ@reddit
Well, whatever your country is, is it actually sanctioning Russia? Because if it is not, then I can say the same to you. Probably both our countries just see the situation different. One country's biggest threat is the other country's trade partner.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
So you do have a different view if it was Russia?
How about some consistency in your shitty views brother
HP_civ@reddit
I am saying, you point the finger at my country for not sanctioning. What's stopping me from pointing the finger at your country for not sanctioning? We both do the same thing.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Because you started this with an essay on why your millions being sent to fund genocide is irrelevant lol. Keep up
HP_civ@reddit
And you started this by pointing fingers at other countries while you hide behind NK flair lol. What wondrous activism.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Germans and being on the wrong side of genocide. Name a better combination
rattleandhum@reddit
I like how you completely dodged that question. Utter cowardice.
HP_civ@reddit
https://old.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1lrv3nr/hamas_submits_positive_response_to_ceasefire/n1qptv9/
rattleandhum@reddit
Exactly.. where is the actual response?
Private_HughMan@reddit
Canada isn't providing weapons but we're sending "military aid."
LOTS of dead kids' blood on our hands.
ThereAintNoOther@reddit
That’s what happens when you vote liberal.
Monterenbas@reddit
Sure, voting conservatives like Trump makes such a difference, lol.
Private_HughMan@reddit
I won't make that mistake twice. But also, Conservatives were somehow even more gung-ho about sucking Israel's dick. Like, it was embarassing how much PP was glazing them.
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
Bith liberals and conservatives have the same status on Israel. Only NDP is critical of Israel, but they struggling to survive especially after the recent election.
corree@reddit
That person may as well be a bot
bakochba@reddit
There was a ceasefire fire on Oct 7th. If you don't want a war with Israel, don't start one
justgalsbeingpals@reddit
ah yeah I forgot history started at 07.10.
oh wait!
Longjumping-Jello459@reddit
I assume their point is that there was a ceasefire at the time. Additionally I imagine Hamas didn't expect to have the sort of success they did on October 7th which resulted in the Israeli response being as heavy handed as it has been when in the past conflicts it had been limited in scope.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
What ceasefire? Israel was mass murdering people in Gaza and the West Bank up to September 2023.
Longjumping-Jello459@reddit
Pre-war poll https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
A very interesting read from a refreshingly unbiased source, however it omits a few details: when was the ceasefire negotiated? What were its terms? Did it allow for unrestrained and indiscriminate Israeli bombing?
Are you and the Washington Institute making things up again?
neo_tree@reddit
They had a ceasefire with Syria too, yet they went ahead and captured more territory in Golan
bakochba@reddit
Why didn't they let Al Queda invade like Hamas
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Because Israel funded and supported Al Qaeda. Why would Al Qaeda attack Israel?
DarkFuryKH@reddit
Al Qaeda won't do shit to Israel. Al Qaeda has almost always attacked muslim countries and done a few terror operations in the west but they would never touch Israel.
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
Ah OK. People just existing on their side of the border is considered an invasion
GothicGolem29@reddit
Sounds like a peace deal might be coming where they cede that land back which is good at leasy
reddit4ne@reddit
Tell that to Iran.
More like if you don't war with Israel, make sure you can hit them hard enough in the mmouth that it forces America to come save them, which btw America is getting tired of doing
corps-peau-rate@reddit
Misinfo and a bot, blocked
Longjumping-Jello459@reddit
Gazans actually wanted the previous ceasefire hold(63%), wanted Hamas to pursue peace talks with Israel(50%), and support for Hamas has remained steady at 52% throughout the war.
Support for Hamas itself remains steady from prior to October 7th 52% in Gaza and 64% in the West Bank, there was a 11% drop in the West Bank on whether or not Oct 7th was a good thing/support for it, Gazans support the idea of the PA under Abbas taking control of Gaza more than those in the West Bank, but both prefer Hamas and expect Hamas to keep control, Marwan Barghouti from Fatah has the most support for President of the Palestinian Authority with I won't vote being next followed by Ismael Haniyeh from Hamas, and Abbas is last and in single digits.
“I will make this prediction: If Hamas ends up being seen as the winner of the war it started on October 7, support for Hamas among Palestinians will only increase. But if Hamas is seen as losing the war — its military and governing capabilities shattered — support for Hamas among Palestinians will decrease, perhaps sharply. To be clear: If it turns out that Hamas’s invasion of Israel and multiple heinous atrocities have brought Palestinians nothing but hardship, that will not cause Palestinians to embrace Israelis. But it may cause Palestinians to reject Hamas’s strategy of terrorism and genocidal war.” — Cliff May, FDD Founder and President
March poll https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-popular-among-palestinians/
September poll https://www.pcpsr.org
Pre-war poll https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah
kitti-kin@reddit
Well at present Israel is supporting a gang that's attacking hospitals and stealing food, and Hamas are the police stopping them. If the IDF actually wants Gaza to reject Hamas, their strategy is pretty questionable.
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-859262
DarkFuryKH@reddit
No there wasn't, 2023 was the deadliest year for Palestinian children before Oct 7, stop spreading bullshit. Israel bombed or shelled Gaza whenever it liked, raided the West Bank whenever it wanted and kept expanding settlements and protecting violent settlers who were destroying Palestinian property and harassing Palestinians. No country would ever consider being silent if another country did what Israel did to them but the oppressed Palestinians are expected to practice restraint while the Israelis with all the power they have are never held responsible for anything.
Waffles86@reddit
There was no ceasefire pre Oct 7 because Israel was doing airstrikes on Gaza may 2023 🤡
tkhrnn@reddit
You think that Israel resuming the war after the 60 days is a violation of the ceasefire?
Waffles86@reddit
Are we forgetting already Israel breaking the last ceasefire in March? The one that should have led to all the hostages being released?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna197012
tkhrnn@reddit
The one that exired? Amazing
Waffles86@reddit
Can you quote the part of the ceasefire text that says it has an expiration date? That after xyz date shooting begins again?
tkhrnn@reddit
I will reetirate my claim so to make sure you actually want to challenge it.
Israel and Hamas had a three phases framework. The first phase was agreed upon, It was to last 8 weeks of ceasefire and prisoner hostages exchange. During this time Israel and Hamas needed to come into an agreement for the second phase. They didn't. nor did they reached an extension deal for the first phase.
This is why I claim it was expired. Are you challening my conclusions, or any of the facts?
Waffles86@reddit
Yes, I am challenging the idea the ceasefire expired. Negotiations were ongoing, and the ceasefire didn’t have an expiry date (not the 60 days you claimed) or otherwise. It’s why even western media says Israel broke the ceasefire, because they did.
tkhrnn@reddit
So what was Hamas providing after those 60 days?
Was Hamas allowed to claim they are negotiating to maintain the concessions from Israel?
Maybe I don't understand you. Is there anything wrong with Israel breaking the ceasefire?
coopaloops@reddit
unserious
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Most Zionists are.
Healthy_Razzmatazz38@reddit
eventually you need to convert military wins to diplomatic wins. they successfully defeated, hamas, hezb, syrian insurgency is done with, and devastated iran. The situation is never going to be better for them than one week ago, and every day from the day after the conflict iran ended their situation will get worse.
Monterenbas@reddit
It is hard to argue that they've defeated Hamas, while Hamas is still the ruling authority in Gaza.
Zealousideal_You_938@reddit
Yes and no. Israel has confirmed its plan is for Hamas to go into exile in exchange for the Palestinian Authority taking control, but only with the direct supervision and assistance of Egypt and the United Arab Emirates as a provisional government.
Everything will depend on what the US decides at this point. star_border
Monterenbas@reddit
Are Egypt and the UAE even aware of that? What have they said about it?
Zealousideal_You_938@reddit
They've said they're "considering" it, but that's a vague way of accepting or rejecting it depending on how you view it, or in my opinion, if Israel can get Hamas to accept the exile.
FudgeAtron@reddit
Dead hostages are worth less than living ones so we get more of them, i.e. the price per dead body is lower than price per living body.
This wouldn't even be a thing if Hamas didn't hold dead bodies for ransom.
VoluptuousBalrog@reddit
Obviously Hamas should not have done Oct 7 in the first place, but for the members of Hamas that are still alive now the only reason why Israel is contemplating a ceasefire is because they held on to hostages (dead and alive).
The-dotnet-guy@reddit
More like the only reason the have been able to justify the war going on for years.
Joezev98@reddit
Israel is largely Jewish and Judaism puts a lot more value on the bodies of the deceased than most other religions. Jews believe that when God returns at the end of time, the graves will be opened and the dead will be resurrected for an eternal life. So they put a lot of emphasis on properly burying the dead.
So yes, to the Israeli government, a dead body is almost as valuable as a living person.
reddit4ne@reddit
All Abrahim faiths put high value on the actual remains of the deceased. I don't think that's true that Judaism puts.more value than Muslims for example on bodies of deceased, Muslims have rules for washing and burying deceased, wrapped in burial cloth, even which side of the body the deceased is laid (right side), and head should be facing towards Mecca.
So Hamas understands well the value of a body.
FeijoadaAceitavel@reddit
Nah, Judaism is weirder on that. My ex had a story about a family member who had to take gis mother's leg (the mother still living, just had her leg amputated) to the Jewish cemetery and getting pulled over by a very confused police officer who exclaimed "where's the rest of her??".
Joezev98@reddit
This article talks about "the popular claim [amongst Jews] that one must be buried with all one’s parts in order to have them at the time of resurrection." Meanwhile, that is a very unpopular belief amongst Christians and Muslims. This also makes it extra egregious when Hamas returns bodies with missing organs.
FudgeAtron@reddit
Yeah people don't know this at all, burial in Judaism is one of the most important parts of your lifecycle, you aren't officially dead until you're buried
flaamed@reddit
Israel has been accepting most bad deals
Why are you surprised
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
This isn't a bad deal for Israel, the 5 years ceasefire one is a bad deal.
flaamed@reddit
Any deal that doesn’t get all the hostages out at once is a bad deal
BabylonianWeeb@reddit
Why would hamas do that? They are terrorists but not idiots.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
Because Hamas has no chance of winning. So they gain nothing by retaining the hostages, and Gazans will continue to be indiscriminately slaughtered while the hostages are held. Unless you’re saying Hamas wants the genocide to continue, and provoked it and are perpetuating it on purpose.
reddit4ne@reddit
Yeah but Israel has no chance of winning either. No way to get back all the remaining hostages, and frankly no way to wipe out Hamas completely either.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
They ARE winning. The goal is to inflict collective punishment on Gaza for Oct 7th, kill as many people willing to take up arms against them as possible, and maintain Netanyahu in power. The longer the war goes, the more those goals are achieved.
flaamed@reddit
Because they’re losing badly?
TheCitizenXane@reddit
So they should surrender all the leverage they have left to negotiate with?
flaamed@reddit
If they want to survive yea
Otherwise stop complaining about Israel winning the war
TheCitizenXane@reddit
Israel hasn’t followed any agreements so far. Why would they follow the next one?
flaamed@reddit
You guys lie very easily
TheCitizenXane@reddit
Israel literally broke the last ceasefire when it could have led to peace.
“You guys lie very easily”.
flaamed@reddit
No they didn’t
TheCitizenXane@reddit
Sure they didn’t.
Whatever you have to tell yourself.
flaamed@reddit
What nbc is refusing to tell you is that Hamas didn’t release hostages as agreed upon for the ceasefire deal
That’s why Israel attacked
Take your taqqiyah somewhere else
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HockeyHocki@reddit
So Hamas can get a few hundred maybe a thousand of their guys out of Israeli prisons down the line. Meanwhile tens of thousands of people die and the territory is further turned to dust. But hey ends justify the means
veerKg_CSS_Geologist@reddit
Why so few hostage rescues then? Heck the fact that they still have command and control even to negotiate is crazy. How are they coordinating movement and communication?
flaamed@reddit
Not sure what you’re arguing here
CricketJamSession@reddit
It doesnt work like this
Its hamas insisting on keeping alive ones until the very end
lightmaker918@reddit
Please, as if they wouldn't want live hostages over dead hostages, that's pretty gross of you.
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
I doubt they care less about living hostages, but just they know Hamas will extort more if they ask for more living ones.
GothicGolem29@reddit
Yeah Hamas would absoloutely try to get alot more for more living hostages
Zaku41k@reddit
It’s a lot easier to parade and tell stories with dead bodies than living on ones.
Ala117@reddit
Dw, they'll violate this one too just because they can.
reddit4ne@reddit
I think.another reason Israel doesn't want a permanent ceasef8re is that they know that once the war ends, the investigation into the depth and depravity of Israels crimes against humanity will reveal that Israel simply cannot be allowed to return to.as n accepted member of the civilized world -- without a Nuremburg-like accounting for its Genocidal crimes, as well as a committment to completely rebuild Israeli society from the ground up -- in the way Japan and Germany were after WW2.
AVGJOE78@reddit
Israel should be forced to pay for the reconstruction of Palestine through 3rd party, gulf state contractors, and like 70% Palestinian employees. It would gut them financially and humiliate them.
CompetitiveAdMoney@reddit
What is the point of the most of the west supporting Israell? Do they all have blackmail and contributions or is it just the USA's political contribution influence corrupting everyone?
meister2983@reddit
What's the point of the West supporting Palestine?
CompetitiveAdMoney@reddit
You betray yourself, I never said support Palestine. But there are benefits to supporting the PEOPLE and not allowing warcrimes. You know the whole rules based international order and moral authority.
meister2983@reddit
People lead to a government and all Palestinian governments are terrible.
Being fully neutral only works if you are Switzerland.
Monterenbas@reddit
Most of the West doesn't genuinely support Israel, but for most western countries (and the rest of the world, tbd) it's just not worth it to antagonize US, and specially Trump, over Israel's actions.
CompetitiveAdMoney@reddit
Ugh so it basically has to come from within USA which is a huge problem since the will of the people is almost completely subverted under the elites.
bosonsXfermions@reddit
Let’s bet on a countdown till isntreal prematurely breaks the ceasefire on some supposedly legitimate pretext. Oh and also it might happen when the litigious procesures against satanyahu is going to get great momentum. Ham istreally chaaye.
Consistent_Drink2171@reddit
Belgium, The Netherlands, and Luxybuckybourg are fake.
bosonsXfermions@reddit
Says someone from ‘northern’ ireland.
Consistent_Drink2171@reddit
It's a proper district of a larger country. The BeneCucks are divisions of the EU pretending to be countries.
madbaby6669@reddit
Amen their sovereignty is based off our mercy 🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸
reddit4ne@reddit
A permanent ceasefire deal will only occur when Israel faces the fact that it can't win this war.
Mind you, not winning a war is not the same thing as losing a war.
It's the admission that the original goals of the war -- return of all remaining hostages and total defeat of Hamas -- is simply unachievable through military means.
And yes, fighting thisnwar until there are no more living hostages to be returned, would be a loss for Israel, even if it did 'defeat' Hamas completely.
So.both sides have ever increasing pressure on them to negotiate as the number of hostages remaining alive dwindles -- for Hamas because liv8ng Hostage represents only leverage they have, and Israel because they are approaching "loss of war" number of remaining hostages.
I dunno what that number is, and I doubt the equation is linear, its likely hyperbolic, im thinking we've passed.maximim value point and are somewhere headed toward the "fall off" cliff point.
ijzerwater@reddit
I still do not know what Israel's vision for Gaza is. And with this I mean a vision that says 'we want this' rather than a statement 'we do not want that'.
Monterenbas@reddit
They said that they want Gaza to be administered by a coalition of Arab countries, it is a pipe dream, but that's what they want.
ijzerwater@reddit
Iran, Jemen and Syria seems like within that description
Taokan@reddit
I'd disagree, and based on Israel's last 20 month campaign, I think they disagree. I think they'd count it as a win if they lost all the hostages but permanently put Hamas in the past. The initial onslaught of Oct 7th was something like 1200 dead Israelis ... far more than the initial hostages taken or what remain alive in captivity. Preventing one such future attack is magnitudes more impactful than resolving the hostage crisis.
StahlPanther@reddit
It will be super interesting to see what the positions are in the negotiations for a permanent ceasefire.
I guess Hamas would want a full IDF withdrawal not just parts of Northern Gaza.
And the Israelis probably wouldn't accept any Deal that leaves Hamas in power.
And somehow the Strip needs to be rebuild unless they want to replace everybody and go for "Trump-Gaza".
Most other suggestions like an Arab coalition or the PA taking control, sound kinda unrealistic.
But I guess we will see if they even succeed with the negotiations for the permanent.
METRlOS@reddit
I think Israel is firm on a weapon free Gaza, not necessarily one without Hamas. The Israeli plan I saw weeks ago had an independent disarmed Gaza with leadership elected from the community, and Israel providing security for the region. The power given to that security force will likely be the main point of negotiation.
Consistent_Drink2171@reddit
West Bank Palestinian police are reasonably professional.
Ala117@reddit
When they turn a blind eye to the israeli terrorists doing whatever they want to the people they're supposed "reasonably professionally" protect.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
When Israel isn’t murdering them or when they aren’t murdering Palestinians for Israel or to keep Abbas in power…
LongPigRumpSteak@reddit
Sounds like the West Bank. That's just a slower death
SaneForCocoaPuffs@reddit
And here we go again.
Freud-Network@reddit
Israel claims hamas doesn't want peace then drops a new set of bombs on the tallest buildings still standing in gaza, refugee tents.
Joezev98@reddit
You're telling me that when a cease-fire agreement isn't reached, a party does not cease firing? How shocking!
LongPigRumpSteak@reddit
Israel has a tendency to kill the other party's negotiators
travistravis@reddit
So now Israel will ramp up the murder, then on the last day claim "Hamas something something" and demand something impossible then make a big press release about how unreasonable all Palestinians are.
Halbaras@reddit
Or the ceasefire will actually happen, Ben Gvir and Smotrich will threaten to leave the coalition again because there aren't enough Palestinian civilians being killed, and Netanyahu again bows down to them because he's terrified about his corruption trial and the inevitable October 7 inquiry.
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