Lucid Air Sapphire Topples Porsche's Top Taycan to Become the Quickest Car We've Ever Tested
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Intelligent_Top_328@reddit
Dirty blood car
simpleSandman06@reddit
That is epic honestly
strongmanass@reddit
Holy shit. That 0-100 mph time is the same as the 0-60 mph time for the Ferrari F430 and Lamborghini Gallardo - the two entry-level sueprcars just a generation ago.
For this kind of car the extremeties Porsche went to to save weight just aren't worth it IMO. The Sapphire may be heavier, but it's quicker both in straight line and around some tracks and retains its rear seats which are much more spacious than the Taycan's. If the idea of these cars is to drive them to work then do a blistering hot lap on the weekend, you can toss stuff in the back of the Sapphire without the scaffolding in the back.
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
F430 and Gallardo were 2 generations ago, no?
F430 -> 458/488 -> F8
Gallardo -> Huracan -> Temerario?
strongmanass@reddit
I meant people generation. My mistake. I was trying to say a generation of children saw the F430/Gallardo, now when they have their license an electric family sedan is matching their 0-60 time in 0-100. But that was too ambiguous.
raydialseeker@reddit
I grew up with the murcialago being an extremely fast hypercar. In terms of speed only, it's not thrashed by a used 50k model s plaid. Even the Veyron is. Speed has never been more accessible or less fun.
strongmanass@reddit
Speed is definitely more accessible than it's ever been. But personally it doesn't make it any less fun for me. I only care about how speed makes me feel, and it's great that I can more speed and power for less money.
apolarbearfelonme@reddit
Exclusivity does not equal fun
strongmanass@reddit
It doesn't for me. But I've seen lots of comments on this sub that speed isn't as interesting or exciting anymore now that family EVs can match ICE sports cars. That's what I assume the person I replied to meant because IMO speed is more fun than it ever was.
You have N/A, turbocharged, and supercharged engines with manual, dual clutch, or torque converter all on the market at the same time. And of course now EVs that deliver speed in a very different way from any of those. And hybrids to blend the immediacy of EVs with the progressiveness of ICE. The only thing about speed that could be called "boring" is that a 45 year-old mother of 3 could beat a supercar in a drag race in her 3 row SUV on the way to pick up the kids from school.
apolarbearfelonme@reddit
Couldn’t agree more with you! If anything the competition field just got bigger which always makes it more fun imo. And like you said power delivery is always so different that in a race on a track there’s a wide variety in strategy and style. I’d actually like to see more open classes with cross competition on drivetrains. It’s kinda like how I wouldn’t mind a class of athletics where steroids are allowed, it’s not cheating if everyone can do it and I just kinda wanna see the absolute limit.
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
Ah right, fair enough.
PMWaffle@reddit
3 gens, 430->458->488/f8->296, 2 for lambo gallardo->huracan->temerario but Lambo also keeps their cars for a while so 360->458 was with the gallardo and 458->f8/296 was with the huracan.
avoidhugeships@reddit
You won't see people tracking these cars. They don't hold up more than a lap.
bigbura@reddit
True for the Lucid still? It being a not even one and done while the Taycan can lap until the battery is dead?
wtfstudios@reddit
Not to mention most tracks won’t let electric cars on them.
TheeKingKunta@reddit
why not?
wtfstudios@reddit
Cause the fires are impossible to put out and burn insanely hot.
MachineTeaching@reddit
Eh. Battery fires are very hard to put out, but that doesn't mean they can't be contained and it doesn't mean EVs are more dangerous.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/you-are-wrong-about-ev-fires
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/
https://www.firerescue1.com/electric-vehicles/articles/electric-vehicle-fires-where-the-waiting-game-wins-f934UedqIpVqc1k2/
Confirmed_AM_EGINEER@reddit
I'm guessing 2 things. And these are just wild guesses that make sense to little old me.
These super fast electric cars are really really fast and really not something they think a regular person can safely handle so they would just rather not deal with the potential hassle.
These super fast EV's tend to be a lot heavier than the gas counterpart going at a similar speed. I don't know if the tracks are designed for that kind of possible impact.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
Fill in the blanks with whatever your imagination can conjure up.
PRSArchon@reddit
Every track i know lets electric cars on them
kinkycarbon@reddit
It’s the torque output and programming of the electrical motors. It’s harder for production gasoline engines unless talking about space frame chassis vehicles. The market for space frame chassis cars is very small. Not many people will buy them.
DJSpacedude@reddit
What? This is nonsense.
kinkycarbon@reddit
You sure? Or do you disregard the limitations of mass manufacturing a road car with current safety standards to achieve 1.9 seconds with a gasoline engine in a 3500 lb car.
cheeseshcripes@reddit
LMAO wtf are you even talking about?
Electric cars have better power delivery, simple as. You can't get around the limitations of combustion engines and transmissions, not cheaply.
OkBimmer_@reddit
Um... Obviously?
Recoil42@reddit
Given that these are both $250k cars, I sure hope they can keep up with supercars from twenty years ago.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I assume someone driving a Lucid Sapphire isn’t someone who has to drive to their normal office job regularly
sioux612@reddit
Did you know there are people who actually work for money
And did you know that there are countries that aren't as fucked up as yours, so basically nobody has a driver because employing a full person just to drive you somewhere and then stand around is quite the waste of money
I know more people who drive Maybach, Bentley or Rolls Royce than people with drivers. Actually I know exactly one person with a driver, and that guy is a billionaire who has had an attempt on his life. So he has aa bullet proof old S Class with a boduguard/driver
That's it. Everybody else drives their car themselves
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I never said anyone hires drivers
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
Not necessarily, I have a normal office job that I drive to regularly
strongmanass@reddit
There are lots of jobs you have to commute to where you don't call the shots but make enough money to comfortably buy a $250K car, especially if it's a two income household with no childcare or mortgage expenses and you have investments contributing to income.
sioux612@reddit
Given HOW big the rear seat room is, I'd be kinda afraid to be in the rear seats during a lap
You could really hurt yourself in there, similarly to being in an empty box truck
Genuinely, its the most space I've ever had in any vehicle
DeviousMelons@reddit
You can take much weight from the body as you like but ultimate the battery makes it heavy.
The ID.R has a such a good nurburgring time because it has a ton of EV power and a battery only big enough for a single lap.
six_six@reddit
The top speed of 230+ MPH is more impressive.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
Impressive, yes....and even more irrelevant.
I've owned a 200MPH car (BMW E60 M5), and being able to go 200MPH was just an interesting stat to drop in a conversation (spoiler: No one cared).
0-60 times and top speeds times are the worst ways to compare vehicles. It's car journalists phoning it in.
In the food world, it would be like judging and ranking food based on how much salt or how many calories it contained.
chimchimcher33@reddit
Especially when the 0-60 times come with conditions that remove you from any real world scenario. I like a quick car, but once we put in prepped surfaces, launch control, 10+ minute prep time, etc. I don’t know what the actual performance is on an on ramp, where I use it
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
And even then, of all the criteria that a buyer considers when spending tens (or hundreds) of thousands of dollars, 0-60 time should be close to the bottom.
I mean, now many times do we actually accelerate from 0-60 in the course of driving in a given week or month? Not a rolling jump to merge into traffic. Like from a standstill using launch control.
It's a situation that simply doesn't come up enough to be a factor when evaluating cars. Yes, accelerating in real world situations happens all the time. But, that's not what's being measured and compared in these tests.
SeahawksFanSince1995@reddit
I don't know where you drive, but here in Miami there's many roads where the speed limit is 65 but there's traffic lights. So... at least once a day I'm going from 0-60.
zeek215@reddit
When I had a car that was quick 0-60, I used and enjoyed that capability all the damn time. It’s also a nice safety feature to be able to quickly accelerate when you need to.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
From zero miles per hour? Zero.
zeek215@reddit
Yes, from zero. And from 5, and from 20, 50, 70, etc.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
As you illustrate why 0-60 times are irrelevant in real world use.
Cryptic0677@reddit
30-60 is a much better metric for usable power, or 60-80 for highway passing and, surprise, a lot of these cars that have hot looking 0-60 times don’t do as well there
Logitech4873@reddit
It shouldn't suprise you that any fast EV will also be extremely rapid at those as well.
The_Bucket_Of_Truth@reddit
Not legally relevant but a lot of tuner cars will measure 60-130 times to see how fast the cars are.
tastesinteresting@reddit
A higher top speed usually means the car will handle cruising at say 120mph more comfortably. This is relevant in countries like Germany and others where speed limits are not so enforced.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
I’m pretty sure that speed limits in Germany are rigorously enforced.
I’m also pretty sure that any car that can reach, say, 175MPH will do as fine as one that can reach 200MPH when both are traveling 120MPH.
Also, where can people legally drive 120MPH outside of a race track or the autobahn? Bothe of which account for an infinitesimally small percentage of car usage.
tastesinteresting@reddit
Obviously i was talking about the 70% of autobahn length where there's no speed limit.
A higher top speed can also indicate better aerodynamics, higher engineering standards, more stability at high speed and less mechanical strain at average speeds.
It may be illegal in most places, but it's not immoral to drive at high speeds when conditions are safe, especially on a empty stretch of highway.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
You are missing my point.
You are referring to a very narrow circumstance where this can happen.
Logitech4873@reddit
It's not a narrow circumstance. For Germans it's normal to drive on the autobahn, which is why many German cars are made with high speed cruising in mind.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
You keep moving the goalposts.
Now it's Germans on the Autobahn.
Of those relatively few humans in the world that drive on the Autobahn, what percentage of them drive at 200MPH? And even when they do so, it's for what? 2 or 3 minutes?
it's an irrelevant stat in the world of auto journalism that needs to be replaced with something else of more significance.
Logitech4873@reddit
I haven't moved any goalposts. This was my first comment.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
I’m out.
tastesinteresting@reddit
For the hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions who drive at higher speeds everyday it is not a narrow circumstance. 💁
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
lol millions of individuals who are in the market for a luxury EV aren’t driving over 120MPH daily.
tastesinteresting@reddit
Well definitely not as many as in a luxury ice, but for an ev with as good range at high speed as the Lucid Air that possibility is higher than for the average luxury ev.
8N-QTTRO@reddit
It's more like judging food based on protein, which is also a metric that's only relevant in fringe cases (exceptionally good or bad numbers), but lauded as a huge deal in every situation by specific people who care too much.
MLPorsche@reddit
but you can drop it on the Autobahn (assuming low traffic)
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SliChillax@reddit
According to Lucid's website it says 205mph top speed though?
six_six@reddit
Wiki says 230 for the Sapphire
TheRealBoston@reddit
That is fast but the Taycan is such a beauty. I would get that over any other EV
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
I would get a Taycan if it came with an internal combustion engine. I dig the stying and the size. But, my lifestyle simply won't support an EV.
zeek215@reddit
You’ve piqued my curiousity, what is it about your lifestyle that wouldn’t support an EV? The only time I’ve heard that where it makes sense is someone needing their vehicle to tow long distances.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
I would literally have to travel 20 miles round trip to charge it. That’s a lifestyle choice.
zeek215@reddit
What’s stopping you from having charging at home? I’m guessing it’s not money if you say you’d want to buy a Taycan.
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
Man, I go through cars every 6-12 months. That's a lot for a car that I may not even keep long term.
Logitech4873@reddit
Why?
sioux612@reddit
What annoys me the most is that they killed the panamera wagon, now the only wagon is the taycan
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
Agreed. The Panamera Sport Turismo is the best looking Panamera, hands down.
sioux612@reddit
My colleague actually always wanted a panamera wagon, he just came into a position where he could get it for the first time ever, and the sales guy tells him that he missed the last orders for a sport tourism by a few months
And unfortunately a normal panamera is just too small
He might actually also buy an m5 touring duento that
HillarysFloppyChode@reddit
So a Panamera?
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
I’ve had a couple of them. They are big land yachts. They are the size of the Mercedes S-Class, BMW 7 Series, and Audi A8. The Taycan is one size down from all of those.
TheRealBoston@reddit
Agreed. I wish they took the Taycan style and made an ICE option. But if I ever went EV it would be the Taycan for the styling
FledglingNonCon@reddit
I keep hearing about crazy depreciation, but even 2020 base models are still selling well over $50k in my area. As far as EVs go they seem to hold value way better than most.
strongmanass@reddit
It's been a bit overblown IMO. It depreciates like an ICE luxury car plus an extra ~10-15%. It's not much worse than the Panamera or 7 series, and it's no worse than the A7.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
Now, there is SU7 Ultra. I just wonder what comment from C&D for this model if they get the chance to come China to test it.
cookingboy@reddit
Man just imagine the insane reactions (both good and bad) if major U.S auto journalism outlets went to China for a round of product reviews.
Plenty of people from the auto industry frequently travel to China but the average American consumers have absolutely no idea what is happening in the world’s largest auto market and what the world’s largest auto exporters are building.
Not that they need to because those cars won’t be allowed here for political reasons but it would still be fun.
sioux612@reddit
Thinking about that really shows how ridiculous the whole "we are so free, nobody is as free as americans" stuff really is
The US market managed to isolate itself from the world stage so much that there are several vehicles that are normal in the US that can not be sold in most other countries, meanwhile there are companies in Germany where you can buy a Xiaomi SU7 ultra and they import it for.you, make it 100% legal for german roads and its not biggy
And the US can't import any vehicles at all unless they are old
Logitech4873@reddit
It was always ironic for the prison country of the world to call themselves "free". Maybe I'll listen to that when they abolish slavery.
BaseballNRockAndRoll@reddit
The US government is now promising to deport citizens without due process. Any legitimate claims to "freedom" the USA may have once had, are effectively null and void.
Available_Win5204@reddit
I don't think Chinese cars would do very well here outside of supplanting maybe Nissan or other bottom-of-the-barrel manufacturers. Americans tend to prefer brands that are perceived as innovators, rather than those that follow and "improve on." It's the same way no one of any means ever uses anything but an iPhone, while Samsung fans clamor on about how "superior" theirs are. No one cares here.
cookingboy@reddit
Your comment shows exactly what my point is.
Chinese cars are by far the most innovative brands out there these days, but the average American like you really don’t know that because there is little coverage here.
All the American reviewers who’ve tested recent Chinese cars have their mind blown.
For example you won’t find something like this from any other Western OEM: https://youtu.be/vMowPNqMPac?si=_QyqMRaxKYt7J2NW
Also I don’t agree with your thesis. Americans care about reliability and value the most, which is why Toyota and Honda do so well. The Japanese brands have not been on the cutting edge for decades.
Available_Win5204@reddit
Can you just list what makes them “the most innovative?” I don’t really feel like digging through another video of some painfully generic Chinese EV. I certainly don’t care about my car flying drones or JUMPING on the highway haha. I mean I am literally laughing typing that if you’re stupid enough to think a car that can JUMP makes it useful. Remember when BOSE did that 30 years ago and everyone golf clapped and moved on? You know, because it doesn’t do anything?
We also haven’t seen long term reliability yet. What we have seen is a shit load of repressed media about Chinese EVs exploding and dog shit drivetrain components in tear downs. Americans do not just care about reliability the most lol. They care about image and usability. Toyota is not just reliable, they’re extremely competent and usable, fit precisely for your needs. You know, the opposite of a car being able to jump and launch a fleet of drones lol
cookingboy@reddit
You said Americans care about being innovative, and then you moved the goal post to reliability and usability, so which is it?
When it comes to usability both BYD and CATL’s battery tech leads the world. Where else do you get 5 mins 0-80% charging at 1MW?
Btw since you mentioned Toyota, they are partnering with BYD so they can learn from them in both powertrain and how to build EVs: https://en.byd.com/news/toyota-and-byd-announce-rd-company/
I lived in Aichi for a bit so I know a lot of people working for Toyota, they would all say BYD is probably the fast moving and most innovative company on the planet. Go to Tokyo Auto Show sometimes and talk to the industry insiders, your mind would be blown.
Available_Win5204@reddit
Yes I said Americans prefer brands that are seen as innovators or leaders. That means in design, usability, functionality, etc. A car being able to “jump” or fly drones is not innovative. You don’t become a market leader of gimmicks. But you do dazzle people who don’t know any better.
I’m sure their battery tech is great. For the overwhelming majority of consumers that doesn’t push the needle. I’m not surprised Toyota is partnering for EVs. They’re desperately behind. The Japanese are probably the worst off of any country as far as EVs lol.
Again, I’m sure there would be SOME buyers for Chinese evs here, but they’ll never be preferred by those with actual choice.
cookingboy@reddit
First of all, Americans love gimmicks. Just look at all the random gimmicks German OEMs pack in their luxury cars.
And secondly, in terms of luxury and usability the Chinese is also unmatched in their price segment. I linked you to that video because it’s a MKBHD video, and the guy is all about useful innovations.
The Chinese consumers aren’t dumb, if anything, they are more sophisticated than American consumers due to being overwhelmingly younger (average luxury car buyer age in China is in the 30s, vs. late 50s here in the U.S).
Here people are impressed by big screens.
The average American will get their mind blown if they actually experience Chinese cars. Your opinion will change too once you ride in a Chinese EV that is quieter and smoother than a Lexus and better interior than a S-class with tech not available at any price point from western OEMs, all for $40k.
iloveturkey7@reddit
China is #1. Best country and best people.
Available_Win5204@reddit
It seems to pull power fairly quickly at sustained high speeds. Typical of the other Chinese EVs that have bad thermal management. Not really in the same class as the current crop of super sedans.
tastesinteresting@reddit
Seems to be barely faster on the 1/4 and very inconsistent at higher speeds.
https://youtu.be/bljpigb_Rk4
The fact that they don't plan on selling it outside china anytime soon shows how confident they are in the car 😅
HillarysFloppyChode@reddit
BYD made a SU7 Ultra competitor with the luxury brand they have, it has an absolutely insane suspension system too.
FNA_Couster@reddit
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a45765297/0-150-0-mph-speed-test-2023/
The video of the Sapphire doing 0-150-0 mph is still the craziest automotive video I've ever seen
driftking428@reddit
Damn. Is there a version that's not 20 minutes long with Kia commercials every time I try to skip to the run?
stratetrippin@reddit
https://youtu.be/ryBld0_KxlE?t=19m49s
dm117@reddit
YouTube
illlojik@reddit
When I see “commuter cars” accomplish feats of 0-60 speeds like this, it leaves me wondering, Where do we go from here? (I’m sure the same was said decades ago with sub 5 second 0-60s.
At this point we might as well teleport to avoid snapping our necks for those of us who aren’t F1 driver fit.
TrptJim@reddit
I think there will be legislation to limit power eventually. Not just with supercars but with vehicles in general. The need does not balance out with the huge hazard of every car the road being able to go 0-60 in 4.5 seconds or less with the press of a pedal.
illlojik@reddit
I can see that. In the US, any pimple faced amateur who just got their license 5 seconds ago can hop into a 5ton vehicle that can go 0-60 in under 2 seconds. Scary thought.
sioux612@reddit
Every single brand will have a moment where they will have a new car be slightly slower than the last one, and despite us knowing that, idiots online will have a freaking meltdown
Just look at the new M5. Logical evolution, what they had to do to keep a v8, its over 700hp but has aspects where its worse than the last vehicle.
According to the guys who can't afford an M5, BMW is dying and the m5 shows exactly what is wrong
Cryptic0677@reddit
I can afford an M5, I wouldn’t say it’s dying but it’s kind of dismissing real issues because subjectively at least there are a lot of reasons to like the outgoing M5 over the new one.
sioux612@reddit
I can ho even further, there is not a single vehicle on the market right now that I would pick over a vehicle from 2017, and that's based on mandatoey electronics on board
We are in the modern version of the american malaise era, its just that our vehicles get fat and big without becoming actually slow nowadays.
And regarding the m5 specifically, sure if I want to take it on a track, I would probably prefer the last model, or the one before that. But then again, there's several entirely different cars in the lineup that I would prefer over ANY m5 for the race track
And for every day city driving and Autobahn driving the rest of the time? I guess I'd love a larger fuel tank but other than that the current m5 is the single best car on the market for me.
When they release the hybrid m3 I might downgrade to that because a 5 series is a bit big but that's about it
Cryptic0677@reddit
This is going to sound strange after I just shot on the new M5 but I like the G80 more than the F80 M3. At least how it drives. Not the face.
sioux612@reddit
Oh I won't comment on driving dynamics of cars i havent driven myself, but I can totally imagine. I remember when stuff like magnetic dampened first came to market and they blew everybody's mind. Just because a car is heavier doesn't mean it has to be worse
And yeah, the new m3 is quite...something with its look.
Cryptic0677@reddit
I actually thing it looks quite good from every angle except front on 😂
HillarysFloppyChode@reddit
It trickles down in the form of more efficient electric motors and higher density battery packs.
iloveturkey7@reddit
This is not as good as anything from China.
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norcalnatv@reddit (OP)
lol
Dachshand@reddit
Quickest in a straight line but not around a track.
tastesinteresting@reddit
Actually it has been lap timed as faster in a apples to apples comparison
https://youtu.be/UNfjFo7lkvc
Available_Win5204@reddit
The sapphire is an incredible vehicle. I wonder how many have been sold?
Metal_LinksV2@reddit
Lucid should be a engineering contractor for other OEMs, their designs are genius but they don't seem to sale
strongmanass@reddit
That's part of what they want to do.
Simon676@reddit
"Already doing" is what I would say, they already supply multiple large companies with their powertrain offerings.
Simon676@reddit
"Already doing" is what I would say, they already supply multiple large companies with their powertrain offerings.
Simon676@reddit
Well they actually are, they power (for example) the drivetrain in the Formula E cars, among others.
The incredible power-to-weight ratio of their powertrain modules is an extremely good offering to other companies. In Formula E it can deliver 469 horsepower from a package containing motor, transmission, differential and inverter that weighs just 32 kg (70.5 lbs).
DocPhilMcGraw@reddit
They do have a deal with Aston Martin to basically supply them with all of their tech.
strongmanass@reddit
Yeah and Aston Martin claim to have an EV ready but aren't releasing it because there's no demand yet. They're probably right, but I'm really curious what it is, what the specs are, if it's essentially a Sapphire coupé in a Savile Row suit (wouldn't be a bad thing).
Scott-from-Canada@reddit
Meh. EVs made these numbers boring.
BahnMe@reddit
I’ve had zero interest in performance EVs until I saw a Taycan Cross Turismo and got extremely intrigued.
DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit
I'm assuming you saw the Cross Turismo in person, but the Sport Turismo never did anything for you? In my opinion, it's one of the sexiest cars on sale today.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
The Sport sits lower than the Cross, and it doesn't have the black plastic cladding.
BahnMe@reddit
Yes, also sexy as hell. My only excuse is that I often have to go on some rocky pitted roads to get to some of the shooting ranges I frequent.
DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit
Ahh ok. Well then, Cross Turismo it is.
Civuck@reddit
Sapphire vs Rimac Nevera-R ?
K1net3k@reddit
There goes another 0-60 bs, what about Nurburgring?
Nefilim314@reddit
The speeds are cool and all but I want to see the race to make the lightest EV at this point.
Solid_Enthusiasm550@reddit
We have to see if what Chevy is saying is true about the C8 ZR-1 X.
They are claiming, 0-60mph in < 1.9s 1/4mile <9s
0-60 times have been a waste in recent years anyway. 90% of the cars today require putting it in some sort of Launch mode.
Most races in the real-world are roll races on the highway.
Appropriate_Heat_403@reddit
Wow, Car and Driver can't even manage an original headline...
2024 Lucid Air Sapphire First Test: The Quickest Quarter-Mile Car We’ve Ever Tested?
hi_im_bored13@reddit
what else do you want them to put for the headline lnfao there's only so many ways to word "hey its the quickest car we've tested"
Appropriate_Heat_403@reddit
The original article is a year old.... the entire thing is old news.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
they mention this if you read the article
Appropriate_Heat_403@reddit
Oh wow, new tires, same result. Let's write an article about it!
Stop defending poor journalism.
Available_Win5204@reddit
Old test: 2.1 0-60, 9.3@153 1/4 mile, 70-0 in 151 feet.
New test: 1.9 0-60, 9.1@155 1/4 mile, 70-0 in 140 feet.
Now I'm not a scientist but, I am pretty sure those are actually different results.
Downwithme@reddit
They test a sapphire in 2024 it’s fastest and they report on it. Then the taycan beats it and they report on it. Then the 2025 sapphire is fastest again on new tires so they report on it. Why is this poor journalism?
presvil@reddit
Lucid Air Sapphire: Fast AF boiiii