Hezbollah weighs scaling back its arsenal in wake of Israel conflict
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fullkaretas@reddit
This, along with the possible ceasefire deal pending its starting to look like total Israeli victory.
ycnz@reddit
And a huge upsurge in hostility towards Israelis from people globally. They've won militarily, sure, but that was always a given. There is far, far more sympathy towards Palestinians than there was prior to 2023.
Chris_Helmsworth@reddit
Jews*
ycnz@reddit
Really depends on how much we let Israel's propaganda work.
Chris_Helmsworth@reddit
You have bigger problems if you're more worried about Israeli/western propaganda
Assassinduck@reddit
What? Israeli propaganda is everywhere, and genocidal and racist as fuck. It's extremely important to smack it down.
ycnz@reddit
More that plenty of people are capable of making a distinction between Jews globally, and the IDF. Israel would prefer that they weren't.
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
I'm not so sure. I'm an American Jew and whenever I call out antisemitism, I get told that "it isn't antisemitic."
Of course that's what almost all bigots say about all forms of bigotry.
Ok-Warning-7494@reddit
Are you also concerned with Israel attempting to classify all criticism of the state with antisemitism?
I’m going to be real, it’s happened to me a couple times and if saying Israel is committing crimes in Gaza is antisemitic, then I no longer care about antisemitism.
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
Comments like this:
are antisemitic.
Assassinduck@reddit
Lol, no.
You Zionists are the invincible victim, and the only genociders who at the same time are demanding that your feelings be out at center stage.
ycnz@reddit
No, that poster is arguing against treating Jews differently to others. You're complaining about the absence of special treatment there.
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
You going need to be antiemetic to support Palestinians
ycnz@reddit
I have NFI what your train of thought is here.
Ok-Warning-7494@reddit
How so? Please explain in the context of my message how it is antisemitic.
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
Because nothing about my comment was even about Gaza and you said you don't care about antisemitism twice.
Ok-Warning-7494@reddit
Maybe you misunderstood me. Read the first line. Answer that question
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
I don't think Israel conflates all anti-Israel rhetoric with antisemitic rhetoric. Some Israelis do, but that's not nearly as prevalent as antisemitism being handwaved by non Jews. In my old town, a Jewish lady just died from being firebombed by an "anti Zionist."
Zero accountability by your movement.
Ok-Warning-7494@reddit
I didn’t say Israel conflates all anti-Israel sentiment with antisemitism. They conflate some anti-Israel sentiment with antisemitism.
Recent example: “Death to the IDF” is not antisemitic unless you intentionally conflate Israel and Jews
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
And yet, just today, "Pro Palestine" protestors were chanting it while terrorizing a synagogue and a Jewish owned business.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/05/death-idf-pro-palestine-protesters-storm-israeli-restaurant/
The vast majority of Jews consider talk like this antisemitic. It puts us in danger across the world.
Ok-Warning-7494@reddit
Terrorizing a synagogue is antisemitic. The speech is not. A suicide bombing is terrorism. Saying “Allahu Akbar” is not terrorist speech.
I’m trying to find common ground, but you can’t event admit that what I’m describing occurs. Idk man, I think this is not going to end well. I understand Jews feel scared and defensive.
Can you try to understand that a lot of people are animated about the treatment of the Gazans because of empathy not hate? Can you try to understand that people are animated by the erosion of civil liberties such as free speech in service of Israel? Can you try to understand that other minorities look at how we are constantly victimized by racist, abusive language and imagery vs the recent sensitivity re: antisemitism and feel that something is off?
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
You don't see how going into an unrelated Jewish business en masse and chanting "Death to the IDF" is antisemitic? You don't see how a musician profiting off the death of Gazans and inciting violence to Jews worldwide is antisemitic?
I believe that these people have genuine empathy about Gazans. I just believe they've allowed themselves to be weaponized against Jews, and that makes them no different than any of the perpetrators of the hundreds of other pogroms Jews have faced. No one views themselves as the bad guy.
You say you're trying to find common ground, but you initiated this conversation by saying you don't care about antisemitism, and you're saying attacking Jewish businesses isn't antisemitic. You act like I'm being unreasonable when I've already agreed that what the Gazans are going through is terrible, Netanyahu is a bad person and a bad leader, and some Israelis do conflate antisemitism with criticism of Israel. I don't feel like I'm being unreasonable.
Overlord1317@reddit
It's difficult for antisemites to admit to antisemitism, but I applaud your patience.
Ok-Warning-7494@reddit
I said that action is antisemitic. I think we are talking past each other. I literally agreed with you that it was antisemitic in my first sentence and you responded that I said it wasn’t.
I think you aren’t actually reading what I write. It’s ok. Have a good one.
3nterShift@reddit
People are fed up that a rogue imperialist state is commiting the most well documented genocide in recent history all while having the tacit support of most western leadership and media apparatus. I'm not excusing the anti-Semitic hatecrimes, but there is an active effort on Israel's part to shape themselves into the monolithic ideology and position of all Jewish people. Just look at American politics and how even the most moderate and milquetoast MSNBC anchor keeps assuming the only way to placate an American Jewish voter is to bow down to AIPAC and Israel.
At what point do you start blaming the cause instead of the symptoms?
3nterShift@reddit
Some IDF whistleblower reported soldiers receiving orders to gun down people standing in line for aid.
Netanyahu called it blood libel Netanyahu called it 'blood libel'...
Tell me how this isn't diluting terms and misusing real historic Jewish persecution to cynically further one's political goals.
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
Netanyahu is one of those people who conflates criticism of Israel with antisemitism. It doesn't mean that Leftists get to be openly antisemitic. I've hated Netanyahu long before you probably even knew who he was. His terrible strategy is how we got into this mess.
That said, if the whistleblower is lying (not saying they are), it would be blood libel. I fully support investigations.
3nterShift@reddit
You are doing the same think as Netanyahu right now. Blood libel is a very specific accusation and has nothing to do with this hasbara bullshit.
And no, you don't get to cop out with this "I don't like Netanyahu but I'm fine with the Knesset approving ethnic cleansing every day for the past 2 years"
Israeli society is morally sick and repugnant. There are exceptions like student protesters, whistle blowers, aid workers and activists, but I've seen what the numbers and hate and genocide always wins at the ballot box, it all just depends on how fast and how corrupt.
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
I'm not devout. The concept of blood libel has expanded. It started as "Jews are murdering Christians for their evil rituals" and now is understood to mean "Jews are murdering non Jews for their evil means." Calling me Hasbara is antisemitic too, btw. I'm not even Israeli.
3nterShift@reddit
Oh so sorry. It's not term dilution, it's expansion. Very different. You're so right.
Also you don't have to be Israeli to run defense for them. I heard morally compromised people with zero backbone who want to support an advanced military shooting at people locked in an open air concentration camp are in high demand these days.
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
Have a great day, champ.
3nterShift@reddit
You too. May the cognitive dissonance never leave you and may your conscience never keep you from a good night's sleep.
YasuhiroK@reddit
Always the victim lmaoo
Ok-Warning-7494@reddit
Sorry your feelings were hurt; I didn’t use the best language initially. I see your points about some of the language I used. I have edited my comments based on your feedback.
But this is a real problem that is effecting our domestic politics in the US and the UK.
Pro-Israeli political actors are overreaching with antisemitism claims to suppress dissent and I am really concerned about the snapback effect.
ycnz@reddit
It's pretty straightforward - calling someone a Shylock, a la Trump this week, that's antisemitism. Criticizing Israel for putting people in concentration camps, is not.
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
Of course Trump is antisemitic
ycnz@reddit
I mean, white supremacists have never been fond of Jews, but Zionists keep propping em up. Let's see how it goes for them.
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
You have no clue what you're talking about. Don't you have indigenous rights to trample?
CastleElsinore@reddit
I've been told that calling for Jewish genocide wasn't antisemitic because tumblr said so.
Unironically
You overestimate human intelligence
GothicGolem29@reddit
Good grief how can anyone base anything off what they hear on tumblr let alone opinons on calls for genocide....
CastleElsinore@reddit
Tell that to my committee chairs at the org I was volunteering for
GothicGolem29@reddit
Wow...
ycnz@reddit
I did say "plenty". Actual antisemitism didn't stop existing because Israel tried to use it to single criticism of genocide.
GothicGolem29@reddit
Good grief how can anyone base anything off shat they hear on tumblr let alone opinons on calls for genocide....
3nterShift@reddit
That is very much by design. Labeling any criticism of Israel as anti-semitism and blood libel has allowed them to stand on an unearned moral pedestal. They can point at the very real rise in antisemitic violence (that they caused by needlessly conflating everything they do with actions furthering the interests of jews worldwide and not just a hateful landgrab perpetuated by a corrupt war criminal trying to stay out of jail) and use it as an argument to why more violence in the name of "self-defense" is necessary.
It's a fucked up feedback loop and legacy media is complicit.
codkaoc@reddit
That's so interesting because I could have sworn the people actually doing the antisemetic violence were the cause, not Israel
Actually a really fun fact to learn that if a synagogue gets firebombed or some random jew gets shot it's Israel's fault. The more you know!
Wappening@reddit
Does that mean much in a day and age with an overwhelming amount of news happening every day?
I feel like most people won’t care about any of this a month or two after it’s finished.
ycnz@reddit
Given how 2025 is progressing, weay not have printing presses by then.
Overlord1317@reddit
You only think that because of the echo chambers you frequent.
ycnz@reddit
I suppose "the world" is an echo chamber, yes.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/06/03/most-people-across-24-surveyed-countries-have-negative-views-of-israel-and-netanyahu/
redelastic@reddit
Some consider total victory the mass murder of 20,000 children and the annihilation of a people and society. We'll have to wait for the fun TikTok videos to emerge.
zapreon@reddit
The comment is obviously referring to the war in Lebanon, which is separate from the one in Gaza. Estimates for the one in Lebanon is that a few thousand people were killed, with a large share of them being Hezbollah. That is the benefit of much of the actual fighting happening in low density areas
redelastic@reddit
If you want to justify bombing apartment blocks and killing civilians, that's your choice.
As long as you're also ok with Israeli civilians also being killed.
I mean, we wouldn't want hypocritical double standards, would we.
zapreon@reddit
Killing civilians is inherently a part of any war that takes place at least partially in cities. That is unavoidable.
As for the justification, Hezbollah started this war by launching rockets from the 8th of October before Israel even fully gained control over its own territory from the Hamas attack. Hezbollah chose to participate in this war, and Israel has the right to put an end to it.
Then it becomes a matter of 1) reducing civilian casualties and 2) wrapping up fighting in a timely manner to avoid it dragging out unnecessarily.
And well, most bombings in Lebanon were fairly targeted, civilian casualties were overall of limited scale, and the overall war lasted a short while.
Hezbollah is the aggressor in this war, which grants Israel the right to wage war where civilians may die. In contrast, Israel is the defending party, since Hezbollah launched this war in an unprovoked manner on 8th of October.
redelastic@reddit
As long as you're ok with Israeli civilians being killed as well as Lebanese civilians.
Your view of history of course begins in October 2023.
zapreon@reddit
There was a near total absence of any violence between Hezbollah and Israel literally for 17 years in this period.
As a matter of fact, Hezbollah started this war against Israel. That doesn't require you to believe that history starts in October 2023, because there literally hasn't been any instance whatsoever in many years by that point that could even remotely be a casus belli for Hezbollah.
I mean, Israel avoided even taking away a single tent on what it perceived to be their own territory because of a fear of escalation.
redelastic@reddit
Yes, attacking five sovereign states in under a year, it's everyone else that's the problem.
Convenient that you're omitting Israel's illegal occupation of Lebanon and past aggressions and that it has fired many more rockets on Lebanon than vice versa.
And their decades-long illegal occupation of Palestine, during which 96% of those killed have been Palestinian.
Do you also think the mass killing of children in Gaza is a form of defence? I'm guessing yes.
zapreon@reddit
If Hezbollah would not have attacked Israel on the 8th of October, that war would not have happened.
If the Houthi's would not have frequently attacked Israel, attacks on Yemen would not have happened.
If Iran did not direct all these terrorist organizations to attack Israel, the recent war would not have happened.
Israel has a right to defend itself. And well, if the Houthi's or Hezbollah completely unprovoked launch missiles at Israel, Israel unequivocally has the right to strike back at them. They aren't somehow protected against this consequence because they are a different country.
The last of which in 2006.
It is self-evident that Hezbollah launched this war in an unprovoked manner on the 8th of October.
Not a relevant casus belli for Hezbollah
redelastic@reddit
Hasbara.
Do you also think the mass killing of children in Gaza is a form of defence? I'm guessing yes.
DanDan1993@reddit
Must be nice living in a world where you can absolve everything saying "hasbara" to everything you don't like and just ignore it.
"I declare HASBARA"
redelastic@reddit
Must be nice to rejoice in the mass murder of children and babies.
DanDan1993@reddit
can I declare "emotional fallacy" like you declare "hasbara" to everything?
redelastic@reddit
I don't care. Stop supporting the murder of children and babies.
DanDan1993@reddit
Stop supporting the abuse of children by priests.
redelastic@reddit
I don't support that.
Besides, I thought Israel was a safe haven for child abusers,
DanDan1993@reddit
Oh sorry I thought we're continuing the idea of falsely accusing others, using some generalizations and stereotypes. Seemed only fitting to use the church and you supporting priests molesting children to pass the notion how ridiculous you look
redelastic@reddit
To add, the level of hypocrisy and double standards of Israelis is galling.
You make comments about the Catholic Church in Ireland, a corrupt institution that caused a lot of pain in my country.
Yet if I were to criticise the religious institutions of Israel, you would (falsely) accuse me of antisemitism. It's like me sayng "You just hate Catholics", it's so ludicrous.
And now your state has openly announced it is running concentration camps. I do wonder what your ancestors would have to say about that. How the victim becomes the perpetrator in but a few short decades.
DanDan1993@reddit
The religious institutions in Israel are messed up, fucked up, should be deleted and religion has no place in any modern state.
Do I hate Jews?
Nice strawman, truly held strong.
redelastic@reddit
What's the strawman?
Why would you "hate Jews"? Jewish people are awesome in my experience, apart from the ones who support genocide.
Any thoughts on Israel announcing it is running concentration camps?
DanDan1993@reddit
Didn't you just say if you would criticize the religious institutions of Israel I would just say you hate Jews and are an antisemitic?
You're free to criticize that shit all you want. Don't backtrack on your claims and resort to "whats the strawman" like a confused edgelord.
redelastic@reddit
I'm making the point that Israelis dish out false antisemitism claims all the time.
All of Ireland is antisemitic, the entire world is antisemitic.
Tiresome and disingenous really.
I'm guessing you don't want to give an opinion on Israel running concentration camps?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/07/israeli-minister-reveals-plan-to-force-population-of-gaza-into-camp-on-ruins-of-rafah
DanDan1993@reddit
Why do you support the corrupted church in Ireland that has caused great pain in your country? Why do Irish people support raping and molesting children?
Same level of generalizations you show. You talk about tiresome and disingenuous when you show no signs of respect or even some decent levels of human interaction.
Stop the fucking generalizations and you might get an answer from me, why would I answer you if you're too busy thinking I fit all your stereotypes and nothing else? That I answer for "all Israelis"? Maybe seek a true talk and you might get an answer, not some purity test answers for you to ignore your deeds.
redelastic@reddit
The difference is you don't condemn Israel's atrocities.
I do condemn the Catholic Church, I already did in a previous comment.
If you want to stand out from other Israelis, you could criticise your government's appalling actions on a basic human level. Yet you choose not to.
Most decent humans can easily say if they think child killing or starvation or concentration camps are bad. Not you though.
You are too afraid to answer if you support Israel's establishment of concentration camps, and so you keep trying to desperately deflect.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/07/israeli-minister-reveals-plan-to-force-population-of-gaza-into-camp-on-ruins-of-rafah
DanDan1993@reddit
I actually do condemn and hate some of the stuff my government does. You see the issue with strawmanning everything? You are arguing against figments of your imagination and it's hard for me to understand when you want an answer from me personally, or when you want me to dance to your flute and answer a question that'll satisfy your bias and your caricature of opinions.
Child killing is bad. You see? I'm not afraid to type anything I believe in. You are too afraid to realize your generalizations on Israelis are holding you down.
Any chance you'll retract and apologize for saying I'll call you an antisemite if you criticize our religious institutions? For saying I support baby murderers and killing them?
Or do you just want things your way?
redelastic@reddit
You keep repeating the word strawman but I am asking you about your opinion on very real crimes. They aren't figments of my imagination - they are real world crimes against humanity.
Many Israelis on here every day falsely accuse people of antisemitism. To be fair, you did not on this occasion. But you did make false claims about my views of the Catholic Church.
I'm guessing you won't offer an opinion on Israel's concentration camps.
DanDan1993@reddit
No, you are projecting what you think most Israelis think about an issue and apply it to me. That's not asking questions, that's asking a question with an intent to only accept a singular answer that fits your purity test. That's asking a question in bad faith. That's asking a question with a fallacy implanted already because you ask those assuming I support/think certain stuff which are just the opposite.
I don't support the rafah plan nor think it is something worth pursuing. You getting an answer would finally get me an apology? You know it won't because you'll just move to the next thing...
I made false accusations because you did. Like I said, I thought we were playing a game where we falsely accuse someone based on generalizations and stereotypes. You doubled down and said only I did, and you didn't.
Why don't you grow up and join the grown ups when they talk instead of spitting fallacies and rage? We could've gotten much more progress if you weren't too stubborn to admit you are blinded by biases and stereotypes
redelastic@reddit
It's not a purity test - it's literally checking if you support crimes against humanity. If you do, I know what your position is. Most of your fellow country people support ethnic cleansing.
No, I am not blinded by biases and stereotypes. I see what Israelis say online every day, I see what the government says, what the opinion polls say, what the media says.
But good on you for not supporting your state's atrocities, that is to be commended and makes you a minority in Israel, which is not an easy stance.
I don't like using neutral language such as "the Rafah plan" as it makes it sound benign and removes the fact it is ethnic cleansing and concentration camps.
It doesn't bother me that you try to insult me. This isn't about me. This is about stopping a genocide.
DanDan1993@reddit
Oh look, another comment and yet another refuse to apologize or to retract your statements... Because you've moved to semantics on me saying "rafah plan". Never good enough for you, huh?
Amazing. Also amazing you thought I'm looking to insult you.... Yeah it isn't about you, because you still refuse to engage like a normal decent human being and just bottom down on fallacies and false accusations that fits your stereotypes.
redelastic@reddit
No, just you making a false accusation. Israelis seem to have a natural gift for it.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Every fact I don't like and other lies I tell myself.
redelastic@reddit
Oh look, another supporter of murdering children.
Best_Change4155@reddit
I don't know, that sounds like Hasbara to me.
redelastic@reddit
Nah, it's quite clear you support child murder.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Found the Hasbarist.
redelastic@reddit
You of all people should know that hasbara is pro-Israel propaganda.
Stop supporting the mass murder of children and babies.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Just more Hasbara.
redelastic@reddit
Hasbara is pro-Israel propaganda.
Best_Change4155@reddit
This sounds like Hasbara to me. You are explaining Zionist propaganda, Hasbarist.
redelastic@reddit
You may delight in the murder of babies. I do not.
zapreon@reddit
When that's how you respond to objective facts, says a lot. Oh well, at least your views are fortunately completely irrelevant in the relevant part of the world
redelastic@reddit
When you're defending atrocities, don't expect a warm reception to your "objective facts".
Do you also think the mass killing of children in Gaza is a form of defence?
Finding it hard to condemn child murder, aren't you?
zapreon@reddit
Ironic. You're passionately defending terrorist organizations waging completely unprovoked wars.
And I'm not defending atrocities. I'm defending a fairly brief completely unprovoked war with relatively few civilian casualties and where most deaths were members of the aggressor terrorist group. No serious country would pretend that war is an atrocity.
I said nothing about the conduct in the war in Gaza as it isn't relevant to my point. Why would I answer questions not relevant to my point?
redelastic@reddit
That's odd, I didn't passionately defend any terrorist organisation.
You're defending a terrorist state though.
You're vehemently supporting Israel's actions. You're happy to defend the killing of civilians (as long as they aren't Israeli) but when it gets onto Gaza, suddenly you have nothing to say.
Maybe because it's indefensible, so you deflect and avoid answering?
It would somewhat undermine the righteousness of Israel, wouldn't it?
Sad that you won't condemn the mass murder of children. It's always revealing of who people really are when they won't condemn killing kids.
zapreon@reddit
Well, you are.
Only insane people would oppose a country that targets those who launch missiles at their country in an unprovoked manner.
It is not relevant to what I said. Why would I answer? You're constantly trying to deflect.
redelastic@reddit
You can repeating things I literally never said if you wish - but I still never defended any terrorist organisation.
Seems you are a liar as well as a defender of rape, torture, starvation and child murder.
You justify crimes against humanity, I don't really care what you think.
zapreon@reddit
Well, you did
DarkFuryKH@reddit
No, he never defended any terrorist organizations, he was only attacking you for defending and excusing the killing of innocent civilians. You are falsely accusing him of defending terrorist organizations, so you are unintentionally(or intentionally?) equating that being against the killing of civilians is the same as defending terrorists???
I hope you realize how stupid your entire argument is, not that I expect you to realize it.
I am also very sure you would never ever excuse another country if it bombed a building with your loved ones in it because there might be a terrorist hiding in the building(never wishing such a thing even upon you). It's easy to act "logical and objective" until you are the victim, you would realize how absurd it is to excuse the killing of civilians in a war, especially with negligence or many times, with intent.
redelastic@reddit
Thanks. I condemn the killing of all civilians, on any side. But that makes me a terrorist.
I notice the pro-Israel crowd will not condemn the killing of innocent civilians (unless the victims are Israeli).
When Israel kills civilians, their supporters will say "Hamas is to blame", even though the bombs and bullets are fired by the IDF.
It's Israeli soldiers shooting into the crowds of starving people, blowing up every hospital, school and cafe, executing paramedics and burying them in mass graves, targeting journalists, shooting children in the head every day, raping and torturing doctors to death.
I'm guessing this denial and shifting of responsibility is a psychological response to persuade themselves they don't support the most appalling atrocities, when they do. Like those in The Zone of Interest.
zapreon@reddit
Killing civilians is certainly wrong. But if you are defending yourself, such as Israel is against Hezbollah and the Houthi's, they are an unfortunate byproduct of a war Israel is the victim of.
Hezbollah and the Houthi's started this, and the blame of civilian casualties falls on them. Israel should avoid civilian casualties as reasonably possible, but it most certainly should not let Hezbollah and the Houthi's continue to target their own civilians because of a risk that Lebanese people die. That is a risk Hezbollah accepted
redelastic@reddit
Do you consider this to be "defending yourself"?
To describe war crimes as "an unfortunate byproduct of a war Israel is the victim of" is perverse.
It baffles me that someone would support rape, torture, starvation and child murder - but here you are.
zapreon@reddit
Firstly, he makes excuses and is justifying why Hezbollah launched this war in an unprovoked manner.
Secondly, by labeling the virtually inevitable outcome of civilians dying an atrocity and demanding that it ends, he effectively demands that Israel cannot strike back in a war that was imposed upon it.
Countries can minimize civilian harm, but no sane country labels any civilian casualties an atrocity and demands that it is zero. It is completely unrealistic. And well, the blame of any non-zero civilian casualties here falls on Hezbollah, they launched this war.
It is absurd to pretend that excusing the killing of civilians in war is absurd. It is a virtually inescapable part of war, which is why international law specifically allows for countries to kill civilians as long as they try to minimize this in a reasonable manner.
DarkFuryKH@reddit
Beautiful, then why do Netanyahu and Yaov Gallant have an arrest warrant for war crimes you genius?
zapreon@reddit
Why don't Netanyahu or Gallant have an arrest warrant for any activity in Lebanon?
I literally did not say anything about the war in Gaza. Try to read.
DarkFuryKH@reddit
Lebanon is not a signatory of the rome statute hence the ICC has no jurisdiction there but even then, you really think the IDF conduct in Lebanon is any different from the in Gaza? Is it unreasonable to expect that a criminal wanted for war crimes in Gaza wont be committing crimes in Lebanon? Have you ever heard of the Dahiya doctrine?
zapreon@reddit
Well, we know for a fact it is. It employed a much smaller scale of soldiers, smaller scale bombings with relatively more often warnings (especially when targeting Beirut), far less tank usage, and most importantly, a much faster end to the conflict with a clear willingness to accept small territorial gains.
This is also massively helped by the fact that much of the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah happened outside major cities, which almost inherently carries a significantly smaller risk of any war crimes
We can just look at conduct.
DarkFuryKH@reddit
Did you look up the Dahiya doctrine? Providing warnings doesn't nullify the responsibility to ensure that civilians aren't bombed. Civilians still got bombed. Israel shouldn't be bombing civilians. Good on them for deploying infantry to take out soldiers but bombing civilians to kill a commander in an apartment building is still a war crime
zapreon@reddit
Providing warnings is a key component of minimizing chances of civilians being killed.
Oh, and international law does not require that countries don't bomb cities. It just requires that countries make a reasonable attempt at minimizing civilian casualties.
TISETDSE@reddit
You keep repeating this lie. Hezbollah did not start this war because they never attacked Israel. Israel illegally occupies and steals land, as is their MO and has been since its foundation. There is contention between Syria and Lebanon as to who owns Shebaa farms, and Syria in the past has affirmed Lebanese claims to the land as well.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/8/israel-hezbollah-exchange-fire-raising-regional-tensions
TISETDSE@reddit
This is wrong. Hezbollah only attacked Shebaa Farms on Oct 8, which is Lebanese territory considered illegally occupied by Israel. The number of rockets fired from Israel was far greater than the ones fired from Hezbollah into Isreal, and Hezbollah never attacked Israel until Israel attacked Lebanon.
DanDan1993@reddit
Do we count rockets as some kind of balance? If Hezbollah launched two rockets Israel can only launch two in return?
CastleElsinore@reddit
Well they fired thousands for ten months, so it seems fair
Best_Change4155@reddit
This isn't how war works.
Best_Change4155@reddit
There is tons of video of ammo being cooked off in airstrikes in Lebanon. Hezbollah was paying people to store ammunition and missiles in their homes.
redelastic@reddit
I get it, I really do. You like seeing children killed. That's not my thing personally, maybe it's a cultural difference, but that's your choice.
Best_Change4155@reddit
lmao
redelastic@reddit
Laughing at dead children? Classic Israel supporter move.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Laughing at you. Stop hiding behind dead children.
redelastic@reddit
It's quite evil that you support the mass killing of children and babies.
Best_Change4155@reddit
It sounds like you do, what with you hiding behind them all the time.
redelastic@reddit
No, I don't support the mass killing of children and babies - I'm not a monster.
Best_Change4155@reddit
Right, you don't condone it. You just utilize it. Better to hide your monstrous opinions under the bodies of dead children.
Overlord1317@reddit
He's laughing at you.
I am, too. With this sort of sociopolitical intelligence, no wonder your people have been irrelevant for centuries.
redelastic@reddit
This is the best you've got? Yawn.
I don't want to be on the same side as people like you, who support the mass murder of children.
WaterLillith@reddit
Average Irish logic on this sub, lmao
redelastic@reddit
Attacking my nationality only reveals the type of person you are.
This_Is_Fine12@reddit
Well, why did Nasrallah hide his bunker underneath and apartment block. That's not Israel's problem if Hezbollah doesn't care about civilians. Also why does Hezbollah hide their rockets in civilian houses to begin with. We have clear videos of multiple secondary explosions going on when these houses are struck. Is your suggestion that since they hide among civilians, they aren't allowed to be touched? Why are you putting the responsibility on Israel when it's Hezbollah who puts their civilians in danger?
redelastic@reddit
Are you ok with killing Israeli civilians if they are next to a government or military building?
Do you support killing children?
This_Is_Fine12@reddit
If civilians died in the process of attacking military targets then that is perfectly valid. Since there are Israeli military headquarters in Cities, if they were to be attacked then there would be civilian casualties which is terrible but understandable that it happens in a war. What you don't see Israelis doing is placing those same military buildings under an apartment complex or having their leadership hiding underneath hospitals or apartments buildings. If they did that, then it would absolutely be fair game to get those targets even if there are more civilian casualties. End of the day, it's not the attackers responsibility when the person being attacked hides behind civilians.
redelastic@reddit
Yes, sounds like the state carrying out ethnic cleansing and genocide is totally legitimate.
Do you support rape, torture and child murder?
This_Is_Fine12@reddit
No, because those are actual crimes that have no actual war time role and should be punished. Whether it's the Palestinians or Israelis doing it. You won't hear any protests coming from me for that.
Do you support those crimes when the Palestinians do it?
redelastic@reddit
I don't support or condone any civilians being harmed anywhere.
I'm curious to understand why you support the mass killing of children and babies?
This_Is_Fine12@reddit
I don't support or like it. But civilians including kids die in wars especially in cities. If you can show me a conflict in a city that didn't have civilian deaths I'll change my mind immediately. That's why war is horrific and should be avoided at all costs. The Palestinians have essentially decided that having a war was worth the lives of their children. Just like how the war stopped for the Japanese and Germans when they surrendered that option is there for the Palestinians.
This round of conflict started when the Palestinians on masse massacred civilians including children and babies. There was no justification for that and to think that there wouldn't be consequences was either stupid or naive.
redelastic@reddit
Yet you think there is justification for Israel obliterating Gaza for two years in response and carrying out ethnic cleansing and war crimes.
Do you see the hypocrisy and double standards and selective humanity you apply?
Do you support the indiscriminate bombing of civilians? Because that is what is repeatedly happening.
You have entirely believed the Israeli narrative, despite much evidence of war crimes.
It's not a war, it's ethnic cleansing and genocide. You are justifying genocide - maybe you don't realise this. You are denying evidence of hundreds of atrocities.
Shame on you for that and shame on the US for enabling the starvation and mass murder of children.
This_Is_Fine12@reddit
Yes I do think it's justified. You can start a war, but you should be prepared to deal with the consequences of it because there's a strong chance you won't be able to control the outcome once it's out of your hands. We bombed the Germans and Japanese into submission for the wars they started even when they were asking for ceasefires and peace treaties that still left them in power. We did so because letting them have any power and no unconditional surrender was unacceptable. The Palestinians don't get to start a war and then proceed to complain about the consequences when the guns turn on them. The fact that the Palestinians are weaker than Israel is something they should have thought of before committing the massacre. They need to bear the consequences of their actions. Also, Hamas refuses to wear uniforms and hides among civilians. That's a Palestinian problem not an Israeli one. I mean just recently Sinwar was killed hiding underneath a hospital and a commander was killed at a cafe. It's not Israel's responsibility to make Hamas actually follow the rules of war.
redelastic@reddit
Given you support child murder, I sincerely hope you never have kids.
Chris_Helmsworth@reddit
How much of your heart was filled with delight during Oct 7?
Mastermind1776@reddit
When you learn to let go of idealism and emotions in search of truth you will know freedom.
redelastic@reddit
Go away yank.
Mastermind1776@reddit
How about no?
redelastic@reddit
When you learn to let go of idealism and emotions in search of truth you will know freedom.
Mastermind1776@reddit
Good, repetition is learning.
aWhiteWildLion@reddit
Just like the Palestinians and their supporters saw October 7th as a victory
FAFO
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Might be biased here- but that is a good thing.
Less iranian militias that control countries, less dictators, possible peace agreements with countries that refused to even use the word "israel" up to this point, etc.
Stubbs94@reddit
There will still be resistance to the occupation.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
We saw what that resistance brought.
Maybe now palestinians would realize that they have to live with israel, and sign a damn peace agreement for once.
Stubbs94@reddit
Do you think Israel will allow the Palestinians to live in peace? Because there hasn't been peace for the Palestinians in 78 years.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
The 20 percent palestinians/arab israelis live in peace.
Maybe because they are not commiting terror attacks since the 50s.
Stubbs94@reddit
The 20% of Palestinians in Israel proper are still not equal. And I doubt Israel would ever grant equal rights or adhere to a two state solution for the rest they currently brutalise daily. I don't think you'd support a fully independent Palestinian state with 0 oversight from Israel
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
That is a work in progress- yes. There are a lot of things israel tries to do, there a lot more israel can do. But they do live in peace, and have the same rights- including voting.
Not at the start. Genuinly asking- do you think palestinians will immediately forget all the bad blood?
Peace has to be made in steps- each step builds trust.
Stubbs94@reddit
The first step would be for Israel and it's backers to actually accept a Palestinian state.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
There were several offers made in that regard, especially in the 2000s. Clinton parameters was one.
Step one was already achieved.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
There were offers to negotiate, not offers of sovereign state that would allow Palestinians to have self determination.
All negotiations after 1967 were supposed to use UNSC Resolution 242 as a jumping off point, and while they often referenced the resolution, such as Olso, they never made any attempt to implement.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Either you don't know what the clinton parameters are, or you argue in bad faith. Either way, that doesn't reflect well on you.
Because they were rejected.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
You don’t seem to understand the difference between offering Palestinians a sovereign state, vs offering to negotiate towards a sovereign.
The Clinton Parameters led to the Taba Summit, which while promising, failed after Israeli elections led to Likud taking power, and Netanyahu choosing not to resume the negotiations.
No idea what you are talking about regarding “they were rejected”. The Oslo agreements included reference to resolution 242, and the agreements included provisions for Israel to pull forces out of the West Bank and Gaza Strip within 5 years. But Israel made no real efforts to abide by those agreements. But that didn’t stop Israel from enforcing other agreements that suited them, like the division of the West Bank into three areas that gave Israel considerably more control over the West Bank.
zlex@reddit
Well gee whiz, why do you think that happened? Could it be because Palestinians were strapping c4 to children and blowing up buses and shopping malls every day?
codkaoc@reddit
They've offered several times.
redelastic@reddit
Yes, Israel will continue to mass murder children.
Oppression and crushing the human spirit is their raison d'être.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
And the palestinians have their bus bombing.
Palestinians believe they can force israel out by force, like with the british.
That will not work, of course. And the sooner palestinians accept that this land is ours as well, the sooner their oppression and murder will end.
redelastic@reddit
One need only look at the numbers killed. There's no comparison.
Imagine killing 20,000 children and thinking "yeah, that's fine".
If people think that a magic man in the sky has told them "own" someone else's land, they will do insane and monstrous things.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
The missile the palestinians fire, get intercepted by israel.
Hamas definitely tries to kill as many people as they can- they simply fail to do so.
Would you rather israel let tens of thousands of people die, just so it would seem "fair" to you?
redelastic@reddit
Ah, I see. You're comparing imaginary deaths with actual deaths.
It doesn't work that way.
But nothing human to say about Israel slaughtering 20,000 children.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
The rockets are unfortunately, very real.
Attempted murder is still a thing, you know.
It absolutely works that way.
redelastic@reddit
You are comparing imaginary deaths (that have not happened) with real deaths (that have happened).
You do know the difference between imaginary and real?
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Do you know what context is?
Data is useless unless you actually try to figure out why it is the way it is.
Horrible tragedy. Urban warfare is the worst type of warfare- especially in gaza. Those deaths could have easily be prevented, if hamas would have stayed the f**k away from safezones, wear uniforms, etc.
redelastic@reddit
I'm sorry if you don't understand the difference between imaginary and real - but then perhaps religious extremists struggle with this.
Still can't accept that Israel has killed 20,000 children. I see.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
I am an an atheist. And a data scientist, so I am quite aware of the fact that you got to "think". The gap is high. What does it mean?
You want to reread my comment?
redelastic@reddit
I don't care what you are, other than a genocide apologist.
upbeatchief@reddit
Like the Palestinians authority in the west bank?
Who are completely pacifist,yet terrorist settlers backed by the idf operates freely and steal land and homes every day.
Yet even Israelis refuse to colonize gaza. I wonder way?
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
No need to wonder- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the_Gaza_Strip
Israel removed all settlers by force, and prevented them from entering.
upbeatchief@reddit
Why avoid the point of the Zionists stealing west bank land. Even though the Palestine authority is pacifist. Why are the Zionists rewarding peace with land theft and murder?
Yeah,because gazans were fighting the colonizers even back then. That shows you can only keep your land from Zionists if you are strong.
Also syria. What did shria do to get their land stolen post reveloution?
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
"pay for slay" is a thing, so calling the pa peaceful is laughable.
You also forget that there are still, terror attacks in the west bank.
They don't. They reward violence with land theft and murder.
Quite literally- every single case of settler violence, is generally said to be as a result of prior palestinian terror attack.
Considering they only lost land, as well as being banished from jordan, It would seem that being strong does not help you keep your land.
Besides putting a jihadist in charge of the country?
It was an expansion of the buffer zone. The hermon mountain is extremely useful in spotting drones.
Israel will return the lands for peace with syria.
upbeatchief@reddit
If syria deserves violence for electing a jihadist then Zionists deserve violence for electing an international criminal who commits genocide
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Why ignore the pay for slay and terror in the weat bank?
upbeatchief@reddit
Didn't i already call settlers terrorists? You steal a mans land, and then are surprised he fights back?
And for daring yo fight back,you stral 20 more homes in his community, and when one other person fights back you steal 30 more....
You mever wanted peace. You wanted what isn't yours. And made up any excuse to steal. Syria would never fight the Zionists,yet their land is stolen. Because terror is the only language Zionists understand. And when there is no reason to fear you they prey on you. little by little. On mile at a time.
Leaving the west bank alone woukd insure no further attacks, but then you would lose the timinst excuse to steal
But enough of this state that has no future thanks to the hasidic.
Isreal has to buy back every bullet,tank,missle and plane it expanded in this war. Lifetime paychecks to every dead and crippled. Lost investments due to optics and danger. Tge very fabric of Zionists society is tearing ut self up. How can an atheist jew, militant settler, hasidic. And old fashioned expansionist live together in one country.
One-Kaleidoscope6806@reddit
That would require some kind of introspection which Palestine has simply refused to even consider
Stubbs94@reddit
Funny how you're implying the Israeli state doesn't need to do some introspection into anything. Like, the Palestinians should just look deep down and go "actually, I should enjoy the Apartheid system".
One-Kaleidoscope6806@reddit
More like, hey maybe we should have accepted one of the many two state solutions proposed. Man, Arafat really screwed us. Maybe violent intifada is the wrong way to go about this and we should look someone like Gandhi instead. They’re literally the epitome of insanity. Trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
Why shouldn’t the Palestinians look to Israel as an example? Why not adopt tactics that the Zionists in Lehi and Irgun employed?
One-Kaleidoscope6806@reddit
What do you mean? That’s exactly what they’ve been doing and it’s been a total failure.
Back_at_it_agains@reddit
Here’s the concern. What is stopping Israel at this point from ethnically cleansing Gaza further and annexing the West Bank? Obviously these militias/non-state actors were bad actors, but the silver lining was that they could potentially keep Israel in check.
There are no restraints now on Israel now.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
What stopped them before?
Israel apparently could just walk into any house in the west bank, and grab anyone they wanted. They could destroy anything they wanted, do whatever they wanted. Did any of those militias do anything?
That's the thing- these groups never actually stopped anything. If the idf wanted to operate, the IDF operated.
The reason israel did not annex and transfered all palestinians- was because it's a stupid idea. who would take 5 million refugees? It's a logistic, and diplomatic nightmare.
redelastic@reddit
You talk about ethnic cleansing in terms of logistical and diplomatic terms but not humanitarian - quite revealing.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
This is th reason why even the most fanatic israeli politicians- including those that publically call for blowing up al aqsa, only advocate for "willful transfer"- offering palestinians money to move.
redelastic@reddit
Aren't they such wonderful humanitarians, only bombing people's homes, killing their family and friends and then politely asking them to leave their homeland. What a twisted worldview.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
I believe my previous comment shows why it's not from humanitarian reason- but rather practical ones.
Regulatornik@reddit
What's stopping you from raping and murdering your neighbors? You do realize the Israelis have had the ability to obliterate all their neighbors for decades? They haven't. They could have nuked Iran right now. They didn't. The Israelis don't need restraints. They need their neighbors to stop trying to kill them.
redelastic@reddit
Such moral, upstanding people not obliterating their neighbours. Oh hang on, they did.
Regulatornik@reddit
Wonder what happened to start this war.
redelastic@reddit
The ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people in 1948 and the illegal occupation by Israel since 1967.
Let's pretend Israel hasn't killed many thousands of civilians over the years.
Regulatornik@reddit
In 2023, thousands of Gazans were traveling to hospitals in Israel every month for advanced medical care. 40k Gazans had permits to work in Israel, with Israeli wages and benefits several times higher than in Gaza, and the Israelis were discussing allowing thousands more to work, in an effort to improve the Gazan economy. The Israelis were speaking to international partners about building a Gazan airport off the coast, expanding Gazan desalination plants to reduce reliance on Israel's water system, introducing clean energy solutions to reduce Gazan reliance on Israeli electricity, etc.
I wonder what happened to stop all these tangible steps toward improving the lives of Gazans?
redelastic@reddit
This is like a slave owner thinking they are a benevolent benefactor for giving the slaves the opportunity to work in the fields. Aren't they so lucky?
Without asking the obvious question: how did conditions for people in Gaza made so bad? Why were 60% of children already malnourished before October 2023?
How amazing of Israel it is to enact a two-decade blockade controlling Gaza's water, electricity, medicine, food, freedom of movement, airspace, maritime borders etc.
And then to ship in cheap labour from Gaza.
Lol senior Israeli politicians openly stated the blockade was designed to crush the Gaza economy as another means to suppress Palestinian self-determination. The ICJ considers Gaza to also be part of Israel's illegal occupation.
codkaoc@reddit
What was stopping them a year ago? A decade ago? The years before hamas or hezbollah were founded? What stopped them when they took Gaza and the West Bank 60 years ago?
Back_at_it_agains@reddit
Not having such a right wing government? Not having 10/7? I do think they feel emboldened now after having defeated a number of their enemies.
codkaoc@reddit
Maybe. But they have 60 years of not annexing vs a few weeks of having defeated their enemies.
Back_at_it_agains@reddit
Things happen fast. The corrupt and zealous government of Israel sees a good window here to annex the WB with no real opposition and U.S. support.
codkaoc@reddit
Do they? Or is that conjecture? Because I haven't seen any signaling otherwise.
InternationalArt2791@reddit
I think Israeli officials holding maps of greater Israel and settlers increasing in the West Bank should be a good signal for you.
codkaoc@reddit
Where are they holding maps of greater israel? I could only find one of the finance minister from a few years ago
AlexanderTheIronFist@reddit
Objectively ahistorical take. You only need to take a look at the progression of the map of west bank and Gaza to see that Israel have been annexing territory for their entire history.
And that's not even counting the founding of Israel itself.
codkaoc@reddit
While the settlements are gross, I think if you look at a map of Gaza in say, 2005, you'd notice that Israel totally pulled out. Settlements and all. Even their graves.
terrible-cats@reddit
Regarding the west bank, Israel doesn't want to annex it because that would mean Israel would have to give citizenship to west bank Palestinians, just like what happened when Israel annexed east Jerusalem and the Golan. Israel wants to maintain a Jewish majority to maintain it being a Jewish country. I'm not arguing about whether it's good or bad, I'm just presenting the situation.
gnocchiGuili@reddit
More colonization, more ethnic cleansing and more apartheid is certainly a good thing only for supremacists yeah.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Considering this will involve israel removing all forces from lebanon- it would actually do less.
A peace with syria, for returning land, is also on the table apparently.
And who knows- maybe the PA would actually accept a two state solution this time around.
L0L303@reddit
So what are the odds Israel returns the Golan to Syria? Zero
Same reason they definitely wont return the west bank.. from the hills of both you can clearly see Tel Aviv - massive security risk
codkaoc@reddit
Tel Aviv is like 60 miles away from the Golan
Intrepid-Debate5395@reddit
Alaska is less then 60 miles from america should russia get it?
codkaoc@reddit
Aside from the blatant grammatical error of Alaska being 60 miles away from America (Alaska is America)...
No? I'm not arguing that Israel should get the Golan. I'm just pointing out that you can't see Tel Aviv from the Golan like the poster asserted.
Intrepid-Debate5395@reddit
Meant russia and it was a simple mistake.
That aside so what if you can why does that have any bearing being pointed out?
codkaoc@reddit
Dude. Simple. The guy I replied to said you can see Tel Aviv from the Golan. Like see it with your eyes.
You cannot. It is 60 miles away. You cannot see 60 miles.
That is not an argument for conquering the Golan. That is not an argument against conquering the Golan. It is just a statement that you cannot see 60 miles so his statement of the Golan being a threat to Tel Aviv is not accurate.
L0L303@reddit
You can see Haifa from Golan.. TLV from West Bank
codkaoc@reddit
Slightly different argument but sure you do you
L0L303@reddit
Yeah i corrected myself, thx for pointing that out
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
The recently captured parts of the hermon, as well as some other parts, are on the table.
While it would definitely be a security risk- a friendly syria, that would work to limit militias in the country, would be in israel's interest.
L0L303@reddit
I mean all the Arab states have been clear - 1967 borders and we all guarantee peace.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Does hamas also share that opinion?
L0L303@reddit
Yes
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/hamas-new-charter-palestine-israel-1967-borders Hamas presents new charter accepting a Palestine based on 1967 borders | Hamas | The Guardian
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-khalil-alhayya-qatar-ceasefire-1967-borders-4912532b11a9cec29464eab234045438 Hamas would lay down weapons after a two-state solution, officials says | AP News
themightycatp00@reddit
They accepted Palestine on the 1967 borders, not Israel
Hamas wanted a "all take no give" deal where they have a country and don't have to recognise Israel in return.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Seems more like a lip service, rather than actually changing positions.
It's literally a "give us a country, and we will continue to do exactly what we did before"
And become a political party. Notice he never said anything even remotely like peace.
From that same article: "But its political program still officially “rejects any alternative to the full liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea” — referring to the area reaching from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, which includes lands that now make up Israel."
And from his words, you can see what he means by "disarming":
"All the experiences of people who fought against occupiers, when they became independent and obtained their rights and their state, what have these forces done? They have turned into political parties and their defending fighting forces have turned into the national army,” he said."
He just wants to change the name.
terrible-cats@reddit
I don't think from the river to the sea is 67 borders my friend
jay-ff@reddit
The difference is maybe that the population in the West Bank definitely doesn’t want to be inside Israel and Israelis don’t want to rule that population. As far as I know, the people in the Golan heights aren’t that unhappy being part of Israel. But maybe that’s just my superficial understanding.
hectorgarabit@reddit
Ah yes the delicious democracy in Syria, brought to you by the us and Israel…. Sectarian massacres, sex slaves… so much better. \s Everywhere the us and Israel intervene ends up with less democracy, more violence and instability. As if that was their real goal.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Here's a guy who has no idea who assad was.
Are not new. Same thing happened during assad.
Israel did not cause this.
The syrian government needs to deal with the issues in their country. Blaming israel is pointless, ans distracts from real issues.
themightycatp00@reddit
Wouldn't we have to physically be in Lebanon to colonise it?
yosayoran@reddit
Of course not! Like you can do a genocide on a growing population, you can colonize from the air!
cytokine7@reddit
How is it more colonization when Iran who has been occupying Lebanon will have less power than ever.
valentc@reddit
You, you don't know what occupation is do you?
It's not arming the populace. Hezbollah is a product of the Israeli violence in the area.
SurfiNinja101@reddit
“Yaaaaaay” cheers the coloniser when the people resisting their occupation and annexation of land are giving up
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Considering these people were shooting missiles at me, and killing people- why shouldn't I be happy?
Also- according to your flair- you seem to be enjoying the fruits of colonialism yourself.
I suppose you will cheer on for teerorists killing australians for "resisting occupation and annexation of land"
CwazyCanuck@reddit
The problem with you Zionists is that you have 20/20 vision when it comes to stuff done against Israel, but are legally blind when it comes to stuff Israel does to others.
There’s this mentality that everything Israel does is justified and doesn’t warrant a response. But then when a response does happen, it’s not justified and Israel is the victim.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
The same type of blindness- is also quite common among pro palestinians- as your comment demonstrates.
"But then when a response does happen, it’s not justified and Israel is the victim."
October 7th would have been justified- if they would have only targeted military bases, and avoided civilians.
Defending and justifying killing civilians, is precisely what you are doing, yet, when it's not israel doing the killing, suddenly it doesn't matter.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
Can you elaborate? How does my comment demonstrate blindness? I’m well aware of Hamas’ war crimes and crimes against humanity. But while they are resisting oppression, they get more leeway. Just like how Zionists employed guerrilla tactics to establish Israel and granted those that committed terrorism amnesty and pardoned them of their crimes. And I’m not suggesting that October 7th didn’t warrant a response. But the scale of Israel’s response has far exceeded a justified response.
October 7th being justified isn’t based on what they did on October 7th, but whether they were justified launching an attack in general. War crimes and crimes against humanity are never justified. I’m saying that anyone committing war crimes or crimes against humanity should be held responsible, whichever side they come from.
Also, doesn’t this logic mean that Israel’s response to October 7th isn’t justified because they’ve not only targeted military targets and haven’t really avoided civilians?
I may not have been clear before, but it should be abundantly clear that I’m in no way defending or justifying war crimes or crimes against humanity.
throwawayyawaworth77@reddit
White guy in Australia calls Jews in Israel colonizers. Isn’t that funny?!?
namikazeiyfe@reddit
The sheer audacity of it knocked me out 😂
SurfiNinja101@reddit
1) I’m not white.
2) even if I was that doesn’t change anything. Australian was still founded on colonisation and so was Israel.
WonderfulPackage5731@reddit
Why not? Zionists themselves called it a colonization until the meaning of the word shifted to a negative connotation. The majority of zionist assassinations targets leading up to the creation of Isreal were jews in Palestine who opposed colonization.
RaiderCoug@reddit
People have so much brain rot with regards to Israel that they’re now mad that a terrorist organization that decided to attack Israel was punched back even harder.
codkaoc@reddit
You're right, hezbollah, the internationally recognized terrorist organization, are the good guys
chdjfnd@reddit
Israel werent trying to annex Lebanon
fre-ddo@reddit
I believe the offical Lebanese army and Govt have also stepped up , Hezbollah are terrible for Lebanon hopefully the people turn on them fully and make them extinct.
3nterShift@reddit
Only if you don't count irreparable reputational damage in the eyes of many people all around the world.
fullkaretas@reddit
I say give it 5-10 years of peace and it'll be forgotten. Perhaps not rightfully so but the world keeps on spinning.
3nterShift@reddit
As much as I'd hate that outcome you're probably right. Especially if there's no international prosecution it's all going to die down further numbed by the millions Israel is spending on propagandizing to a western audience.
azure_beauty@reddit
Its Impossible to classify "victory" vs "defeat" without having a solid definition. For some, Israel lost the day 7/10 happened. Israel failed to protect its people.
For some, Israel will not win until you have regime change in Iran and the dissolution of the Iranian terror network. For others, the victory is a religious one, one requiring full Israeli sovereignty over the so-called Judea and Samaria.
For others, the very existence of Israel is a victory. War or no war, the Zionist project has succeeded. The Jews have a state, and they have teeth.
And what about the Palestinians? Is it a victory that the oppressive Hamas regime is weaker than ever and their cause is once again in the news with Israel facing international pressure? Or is it a loss given the immense human toll that this war has brought?
I think the only thing we can declare for sure is that Hezbollah lost. There is no other way to frame it. At
Away_team42@reddit
Hezbollah, Houthi’s and Hamas are all effectively neutered in like 2 years and IRGC in absolute shambles. That’s a lot of progress towards total victory.
GothicGolem29@reddit
Two out of three I agree with the Houthis idk if ive seen too much damage to them tho it would be good if there was
azure_beauty@reddit
Hezbollah, no framing that as a win. Houthis, it is difficult to say, I do not read much about them. They are not so relevant, but they did remind the world of their existence, for better or for worse.
The IRCG is struggling, but if anything this may force them to change strategy and actually end up saving their hold on power.
As for Hamas? That really depends on who you ask, right? The organization hardly has one coherent objective. They rule over millions of people, and they recruit people who work to feed their families.
Who am I to know what those people truly want? For many undoubtedly the destruction of Israel will bring true victory, but for many others they just want a better quality of life and more autonomy to do what they want.
And this war very much does shift things in a landscape in which the Palestinians were largely dissatisfied with their living situation.
Overlord1317@reddit
Total Israeli victory is what it looks like.
themightycatp00@reddit
As long as a 7/10 style attack doesn't happen again I don't care if people say we won or lost, living in the past won't change anything we should just learn what we can learn for the 7/10 massacre and implement these lessons.
azure_beauty@reddit
Of course. Those semantics hardly matter, but people like to argue over whether Israel is winning or losing.
My point is that such a thing is very subjective. There will always be winners and losers.
giboauja@reddit
War means everyone already lost. Imo.
Likud is responsible for the failures and geopolitical situation that led to October 7th. Its insane that military victories caused by their failure will likely insulate them from consequences.
azure_beauty@reddit
While I do not at all wish to undermine the failures, Israeli intelligence agencies seriously overestimated its external enemies, and that shaped public opinion.
Hezbollah was thought to be capable I Of causing tens of thousands of casualties through rockets alone. Iran was seen as an existential threat.
It is not surprising per sé, that a public would look positively upon a government which resided during the dismantlement of say, Hezbollah, given what was feared as contrasted to the end result, even if said government is not necessarily the one responsible for the victory.
giboauja@reddit
As it turns out, unsurprisingly these religious organizations run by crazies, are in fact poorly run.
Alas it's very human to let paranoia rule the day.
aWhiteWildLion@reddit
r/anime_titties in shambles
aWhiteWildLion@reddit
Lmao even r/anime_titties can't cope anymore
RisingDeadMan0@reddit
and complete cowardice from routers, after the israeli's targeted and killed one of their journalists while he was on the border
BendicantMias@reddit
This article sounds more optimistic than I'd be. Israel may be fine, but I have a suspicion that Lebanon is playing with fire here. Hezbollah isn't gonna allow the Lebanese state to dismantle it, and as much as it may feel assertive rn, the Lebanese govt. is extremely weak and its army little more than a police force. Lebanon knows civil war intimately, don't tempt fate for having another one.
Wayoutofthewayof@reddit
If Hezbollah starts any kind of civil war, what is stopping Israel from invading?
OutblastEUW@reddit
unlike what this sub this, most of us israeli DO NOT WANT WAR OR TO CONQUERER LEBANNON
GoKingBeef@reddit
Lol sure, they don’t want to conquer Lebanon, they want to conquer the entire Middle East.
https://mepei.com/greater-israel-an-ongoing-expansion-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-north-africa/
https://www.fairobserver.com/politics/the-greater-israel-plan-has-a-colossal-reach/
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2025/6/7/israels-strategic-failure-is-now-apparent
CamisaMalva@reddit
Dude, you're using Al-Jazeera as a news source.
Go outside and touch some grass.
GoKingBeef@reddit
And you comment on porn subreddits, maybe you should go outside my guy.
CamisaMalva@reddit
What does that even have to do with this?
Not only were you unable to come up with something actually relevant, you had to directly insult me as well?
It's you who trusts freakin' Al-Jazeera of all things, anyways.
DanDan1993@reddit
Yeah man we even are perfecting necromancy to have enough soldiers to occupy everything, because so far the only thing stopping us from occupying the entire ME is just lack of soldiers.
If you even just look at the number of population in Israel vs Egypt alone you'll realize how insane you sound.
OutblastEUW@reddit
I dont care what article you send me I lived in Israel for 20 years, and ive been here the entire war, they dont want it
CamisaMalva@reddit
True, but there is a difference between "wanting war" and "having to answer aggression with war".
If Hezbollah tries some bullshit again, there is only one way it will end.
L0L303@reddit
There’s zero chance young sunni & christian Lebanese are fighting civil war in 2025
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Makes sense. If they don’t want to keep getting killed and keep getting bombed, generally not being in Israel’s crosshairs as much as they can, they’d want to make themselves less of a threat to Israel. Stop making them mad, they’ll leave you alone.
Wandererbelel@reddit
That's funny because Hezballah was created because of Israel 🤣
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
You misspelled PLO.
The plo fired missiles at israel from lebanon, israel invaded to stop the palestinian missile threat, and following that, hezbulla formed.
So the next time someone will fire missiles at israel- it will be native lebanease.
L0L303@reddit
Question - how did the Palestinians end up in Lebanon to begin with?
Wayoutofthewayof@reddit
After losing a war of invasion and losing land.
L0L303@reddit
I mean governments loose land.. but removing civilians from their homes is literally a war crime (ethnic cleansing)
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Like say, israel evacuating civilians from the northern israel, and southern israel, because they are under missile threat?
No- evacuations are an essential part of war, and are necessary to keep the civilian population safe.
Ethnic cleansing- is specifically attempting to remove an ethnic group from a place. It goes far beyond evacuations.
Wayoutofthewayof@reddit
I mean those that fled lost their homes, those that stayed are Israeli citizens right now.
It sucks, but it was modus operandi in in 1940s. Just ask the Fins who lost Karelia, yet they aren't fighting a permanent war against Russia to take back Karelia.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Well, it was jordan first, but then the plo started black september, a civil war to depose the king, so jordan expelled them to lebanon.
L0L303@reddit
No, im talking about the tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians who crossed the border north in Lebanon.. why cant they just return home and get Israeli passports?
Enough_Grapefruit69@reddit
Because the West Bank was annexed by Jordan in 1948. The people who lived there...
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Well, I was talking about the plo, because they are the palestinians responsible for the israeli invasion, into lebanon. If you wanted to bring up the nakba, ask about that.
Well- it has been 77 years. That's quite literally- not their home. the home, nor the original homeowners, is in the picture. New people are living there.
As for the citizenship- countries aren't exactly keen on the idea of giving citizenships to people that hate the country.
Citizenship tests in most countries require the person taking them ot already be at least partially immersed in the culture, and be supportive of the country.
And considering the cornerstone of palestinian culture is "the struggle", the "hate" part is kind of a given.
DanDan1993@reddit
You should ask King Hussain...
They regrouped from Jordan in southern Lebanon after trying to overthrow the Jordanian monarchy in 1971.
chdjfnd@reddit
And Israel only went into Lebanon because the Lebanese govt failed to prevent groups like the PLO using Lebanon as a base to carry out terror attacks like the coastal road massacre
Wandererbelel@reddit
Why were the PLO in Lebanon?
chdjfnd@reddit
Because they were recruiting Palestinians displaced during the 67 war that Egypt started & the 67-70 war that PLO took a direct role in
Also because many fighters were expelled from Jordan after trying to overthrow the King of Jordan, even after he had spent the last 5 years supporting them
CwazyCanuck@reddit
The war in 67? You mean the 6 day war that started on June 5 when Israel launched operation focus as a surprise attack, two days before a peace talk that Egypt sent their VP to in the US, and which Israel was aware of?
Yeah no. Egypt didn’t start any war in 1967. They started a conflict that easily could have been resolved diplomatically, but Israel wanted war.
This_Is_Fine12@reddit
Dude. Egypt closed the straight, started massing their troops on the Israeli border, and kicked out all the UN Peacekeepers. Egypt was very well planning an attack. No country masses their army on the border of their enemy without wanting a war. We saw that with Ukraine, the same here.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
A country that expects its enemy to attack would definitely mass their army in defensive formations to ward off a potential attack, which is exactly what Egypt did. Not to mention that Egypt told the US that it would not launch an attack on Israel, but were prepared to defend itself (clearly they weren’t). Israel knew this and that Egypt had sent their VP to peace talks in the US scheduled for June 7th.
chdjfnd@reddit
Also important to note that was after Egypt threatened to close the straits and the Suez despite Israel warning them after the 1956 closures that this would be a cause for war, after Egypt & Jordan mobilised their troops
I cant imagine Israel expected good faith negotiations from states had been hostile for the last 20 years and started a war against them in 48
CwazyCanuck@reddit
Nobody started a war against Israel in 48. The Arab League intervened to stop Zionists who were ethnically cleansing the region. By the time the Arab League intervened, Zionists had depopulated over 200 non-Jewish villages and ethnically cleansed over 300,000 Palestinians. The Arab League even communicated their intent to the UN.
Yigal Allon, one of the leaders of the Palmach, even acknowledged that if not for the Arab League, they likely would have taken control of all of Palestine.
And prior to Egypt closing the Straits of Tiran in 67, Israel had been attacking its other neighbours, including the attack on Samu in the West Bank, Jordan.
L0L303@reddit
Why can’t the Palestinians in Lebanon just return back their land?
chdjfnd@reddit
Which land specifically?
L0L303@reddit
Where they were before they forced north in Lebanon. War stopped yeah? The civilians can return to their homes
Own_Thing_4364@reddit
Jordan? Go ask them if they want them back XD
Bitter_Thought@reddit
Because they were expelled from Jordan after demanding Jordan fight in 1967 leading to a loss they refused to accept
https://time.com/archive/6879762/lebanon-blows-for-the-p-l-o/#
Wandererbelel@reddit
Why were they in jordan?
Bitter_Thought@reddit
Because Jordan invaded and annexed the West Bank
Wandererbelel@reddit
Why did Jordan invade?
Minimum-Enthusiasm14@reddit
Like, originally? Because they didn’t want a Jewish state to exist.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
Jordan had a mutual defence treaty with Egypt in 67. They were obligated to join the fight after Israel launched operation focus on June 5.
Your article makes no mention of 1967.
poincares_cook@reddit
They tried to take over Jordan and failed.
Chris_Helmsworth@reddit
"Hitler was because of the Jews 🤣"
What you look like btw
Best_Change4155@reddit
Hezbollah was created because of the Lebanese Civil War
codkaoc@reddit
That's so cool, and now its lead them to a point where they've had their dicks blown off and are looking at getting rid of their weapons.
What a brilliant decision.
Wandererbelel@reddit
That's not the point, but clearly, you're not too bright to get it.
MrOaiki@reddit
We get your point, calm down. You claim that the existence of Israel and its actions, was the reason Hezbollah was created. Which is a stupid point to make, but it’s still your point and you should be proud of being able to express one at all.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
Are you claiming that Hezbollah’s formation after Israel attacked and occupied Lebanon in 1982 was purely coincidental?
MrOaiki@reddit
No. You calm down too.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
So if it wasn’t coincidental, why are you trying to make it seem like it is opinion rather than fact that Israel’s actions drove the creation of Hezbollah?
MrOaiki@reddit
Just because there's a causality between two events, doesn't mean pointing out those two events in a vakuum is a good argument. Look at it as a chain of events instead, and you'll come to the conclusion that Hezbollah was created because Israel moved into Libanon because PLO was sending rockets into Israel.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
Keep following the chain and it can be traced back to Israel or Zionists. The Nakba created a refugee problem. 750,000 refugees who were told they couldn’t return to their homes and just had to accept their situation. Jews didn’t accept their various expulsions from the region, why should Palestinians?
By the time Israel invaded Lebanon, Israel had been illegally occupying Palestine for 15 years, almost to the day.
codkaoc@reddit
"I don't want you pointing out how stupid it was to do this decision so I'll ad hom"
Common jihadi L
Wandererbelel@reddit
You're literally arguing with yourself at this point. Are you okay there, buddy?
averagerustgamer@reddit
Why'd you block him? Scared?
giboauja@reddit
Its true that Israel was frustratingly entrenched in Lebanon, but it was likely not a permanent position. And Hezbollah was ultimate formed into a proxy for the Shia and Sunni conflict.
Theyve done a fine job brutalizing marginalized populations in Syria to protect Assad. While continually destabilizing Lebanese politics to prevent a unified state.
As a militia pushing Israel out of Lebanon sure, but that didnt really become their purpose or goal.
*not a fan of Israel, but Hezbollah is garbage.
rollandownthestreet@reddit
And Lee Harvey Oswald was created by JFK
FerdinandTheGiant@reddit
Considering Israel has stated its forces will remain in Lebanese territory until Hezbollah pulls out of Southern Lebanon and Hezbollah says it won’t pull out and disarm until Israel withdraws from Lebanon, it would like we’re looking at another situation like Resolution 1701 where neither side is gonna budge.
If Israel remains, it’ll probably strengthen Hezbollah’s position, but that’s a more long term consideration as currently Hezbollah isn’t in position to wage a serious war with Israel. Them and Iran screwed the pooch as far as acting as a unified front and now neither are in any position to make demands from Israel.
CwazyCanuck@reddit
Given Israel history of agreeing to leave regions and then refusing to abide by those agreements, can’t fault Hezbollah for not trusting Israel in this case.
This_Is_Fine12@reddit
Dude, Israel left Southern Lebanon in agreement of 1701, her Hezbollah remained in Southern Lebanon. The peacekeepers who were supposed to enforce that, chose not to force Hezbollah out. Israel kept their end of the bargain and all it got them was a militarized Southern Lebanon. So why exactly would they trust Hezbollah again saying that they'd leave Lebanon without any kind of guarantees.
FerdinandTheGiant@reddit
Israel didn’t leave Southern Lebanon, they remained in Northern Ghajar, Shebaa, and Kfar Shouba. They also routinely violated Lebanese air space in contravention of 1701.
Redditthedog@reddit
Shebaa was Syrian
RockstepGuy@reddit
But they have done such things, the Sinai peninsula is a good example, as long as someone that is not a clear enemy of Israel takes control, they won't mind.
They also left Lebanon in the 2000s and unilaterally pulled out, sadly Lebanon at that time was ruled as a proxy by Syria, so in the end no deal was made with the Lebanese forces to occupy South Lebanon while the Israeli's retreated, and the far more popular Hezbollah just retook everything in a heartbeat from the hands of that already very small proxy militia de Israelis had in the area.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Sounds perfect. As long as there is proper enforcement.
showerbridge@reddit
There should be one for Israel too
NordSquideh@reddit
yeah they should disarm and let jihadists rule the region!
showerbridge@reddit
Is it not Israel who keep on invading their neighbors?
I think we need UN to confiscate their weapons...
Like look how Iran has been holding back... Israel bomb and kill how many civilians and Iran killed how many?
Israel loves and is addicted to kill civilians
djabor@reddit
invading nations that attacked it.
cuprus didn’t attack or endanger israel: no invasion jordan didn’t attack or endanger israel: no invasion egypt didn’t attack or endanger israel: no invasion saudi arabia didn’t attack or endanger israel: no invasion
getting the pattern? The UN can fuck off, israel reshaped the middle east for the better.
And to be clear, iran didn’t hold back, israel destroyed their logistical capability to mass fire. day 1 khameine ordered 1000 rockets, the managed to get 100 in the air.
The difference in dead is:
israel has an app warning alamrs will go off in a minute then an air alarm then an air defence system and lastly bomb shelters in almost every building in the center of israel and in a lot outside of it
iran had no app no warning no air defence no bomb shelters
showerbridge@reddit
lol at least know your history... Israel is pretty well known for...what the west calls "preventive attackts"... Or just attack their neighbours and say they have weapons of mass destruction lmao...
The Israeli excuse is "we are killing civilians because THEY are trying to do it" amazing... Get your humanity in order... It's hard living in an apartheid state committing genocide but you can try at least
djabor@reddit
israel’s excuse is not “we are killing civilians”. Israel is killing hamas, and due to hamas’ tactics, civilians die.
any civilian death (most of them, israel has bad apples in its military, like any other army) are hamas’ fault.
it’s hard to use logic, i know.
showerbridge@reddit
Israel to the ICC: and this is how civilians die in Gaza, it's hamas... You are insane dude...
The tree is rotten.
djabor@reddit
the tree is the only human thing in the middle east. nothing since 10/7 even comes close to the least vile they did that day, let alone the worst.
enough useful idiots like you to defend it though.
the tree will prosper and all you shitheads exposed yourself thinking the next hitler would wipe us out. They didn’t and we now know. Never again is not just a buzzword. We mean it and now we have teeth.
showerbridge@reddit
The nakba I was worse than that... Also wtf is wrong with you, Israel have destroyed how much of Gaza? Have you even seen Gaza?
This is the first time Israel have faced a miniscule consequence because of their actions.
Look at the mirror buddy, you're supporting genocide. And you're proud of it.... You can not see the humanity of Palestinians, I really can't tell what is wrong with Israelis...
The tree that was imported from Europe and burning every summer because it is not meant to be there? Like Israel tried so hard to make Europe in Palestine, plating pine trees... Idiots.
Do you think you are allowed to commit genocide? Y'all disgusting man
djabor@reddit
making up shits is not going to help convince me.
1948 - israel was attacked first 1967 - israel attacked first after mass troop buildup at its borders 1972 - israel was attacked first on its holiest day 2014 - israel was attacked first 2023 - israel was attacked first on its second holiest day
but during ramadan in the same war, israel didn’t attack, because god forbid one attacks during a holy day, right?
anyway, iran was the first real preventative strike with no troop buildup or obvious imminent danger to israel
showerbridge@reddit
Ah yes, always on the defence, defensive genocide... That's what nazi Germany said too... We have to protect ourself... It is them, not us... While you're slaughtering people in Gaza... Like the creation of Israel is build on the cold bodies of Palestinians...
But Israelis have no shame so this makes sense
themightycatp00@reddit
The reason Iran didn't kill that many Israeli civilians is because Israel has very advanced air defence systems, as someone who had Iranian missiles exploding over his head and as some who doesn't live near any military infrastructure I'm probably a better authority on this than you
showerbridge@reddit
I'm not talking about one person, I am talking about many targets... No anecdotes. Go look at what your state have done in Gaza and be ashamed...
NordSquideh@reddit
holding back? LOL, just because they’re i’ll-equipped doesn’t mean they’ve held back.
You can go back in history and see that they’ve all been invading each other for…. oh that’s right, forever! The region has been conquered more than a world record sized gangbang. Stop only hating on the Jews for fighting back!
showerbridge@reddit
when Iran attacked American base in Qatar they warned them.... That is what is called holding back...
The Jews? This have nothing to do with them being Jews... Only Europeans would know how to hate Israel because of their religion.
Don't look at it from a European point of view... Antisemitism is an European invention, Europe been after the Jews since beginning of Christianity... Nazi Germany was Christians...
The Muslims in the middle East hates Israel because they know that Israel is an extension of American imperialism.
NordSquideh@reddit
Israel deployed warnings to Iran before their strikes as well. I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at.
showerbridge@reddit
And then they destroyed an entire apartment complex... Killing everyone in the vicinity.
NordSquideh@reddit
can go for emotional attacks all you want but I'm going to continue thinking with logic. They were warned, the same as the US base in Qatar was. I have tons of humanity, Iranian ideology has absolutely 0. Palestinian ideology is just Iran funded Iranian ideology.
showerbridge@reddit
This superior westerner's logical might have caused starvation and mass killing of kids... What an amazing logic you have... Contextualise the mass killing of kids.
I I hear stories of kids wearing a backpack with their little brothers in it... I see videos of young boys carrying a sack with his brother saying "he is not heavy, he is my brother"... While blood dripping from the bag...
Like what kind of superior westerner logic will you need to not get emotional by this?? What inhumanity is needed to think of this logically?
NordSquideh@reddit
Logical thinking allows you to view the other side of the coin. Palestine could continue to be ruled by terrorists that cripple their economy and restrict access to basic human rights while Israeli kids wearing backpacks have missiles raining down upon them. Why do you want Palestinians to be Hamas slaves so bad? How could you care so little about them??????
showerbridge@reddit
This is you: I as a superior westerner know better and I should decide who they should be governed by... They can vote, because I like democracy but IT IS I who decide who will govern.
Have you seen Gaza? What do you mean Israeli kids wearing backpacks while missiles raining down upon them? It is bathtub rockets that does close to 0 damage... Hamas wants a national state... Israel does not want a Palestinian state... They want to annex Gaza and West Bank.
But you as a westerner is against Russia annexation but think it is alright that Israel does it.... Or you don't agree with it but "what else can they do"
Noe compare Gaza to Tel-Aviv and see who really have rockets raining upon them...
Israel is currently killing people who comes to get aid - confirmed by Israeli soldiers and Americas.
Israel is "dumping" bombs on Gaza that weren't used on Iran... Because "this will save fuel"....
There is no logic in your thinking...
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
They definitely did not do such a thing to israel.
Then I suppose hamas must be european by your logic.
Literally- their reasoning, is that israel is muslim land- wakf,
Not in the sense you think of, no. Plenty of christians went to the furnaces as well.
The nazi ideology is way more complex, and based on a lot of concepts, but they definitely thought of jews as an ethnicity, not a religion, as well as having specific definition to how many jewish relative a person needs to have to be a jew.
showerbridge@reddit
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdjxdgjpd48o.amp "It became apparent soon afterwards that Iran had given warning that it was preparing to launch missiles"
Right, Israel is being killed by the thousands.
Did they not change this? Also why don't you put Germany to the same standard? Or America? like let's talk about apartheid USA? Europe slave colonies in Africa and how their laws allowed it??
The Nazis were Christians. That is a fact. Israel is also killing Iranian Jews too... They have yet to invent a bomb that does kill Muslims and not Jews.
Oh yea now it's complex when it comes to Nazis but it's not complex when it comes to Palestinians who have been killed and displaced since the invention of the Israeli state.
Also does Israel not literally do the same? They explicitly have groups that are "jewish Israeli", and they probably have some ranking system like the Nazis on when you are Jewish Israel and when you are not.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
We both know this doesn't refer to israel.
Because this is an article about the base in qatar. And also, the next sentence is- "Three Iranian officials quoted by the New York Times said that Tehran had told Doha of its intentions, as a way to minimise casualties."
Can you at least try to make it harder to show you are full of bs?
We are talking about how non-europeans can hate jews, no? I see here a religious argument as to why muslims should hate and kill jews.
You know- something related to the topic?
What are you talking about? What ranking? If you don't know something, don't make stuff up.
There are jews living in israel. There are arabs, living in israel. There are romani who live in israel, there cherkes who live in israel. There are druze, who live in in israel, and many more.
A jew living in israel- would be jewish israeli. That's how words work.
Would you also say that the term "african american" is part of some nazi ranking system?
showerbridge@reddit
Everyone knows Israel is an extension of America... Also they share Intel like tf...
You are allowed to think for yourself, they were targeting American centcom, not the capital... It was clearly a show of restraint... Like tf you on about, why wouldn't America and Israel attack if Iran was sooo weak?? America and Israel talked about regime change before they quickly shut up about it...
Every single survey that is made in Israel is always divided by arabs and Israeli Jews. It is a designation that the Israeli government makes. Notice it says Arabs and not Israeli Arabs. They have Israeli jews and Arabs.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/06/03/israeli-public-is-increasingly-skeptical-about-lasting-peace/pg_2025-06-03_israel_0_01/
Also they made this "Israel is the nation of Jews"... Linda weird when they have a large Arab minority. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44881554
Israel made it easy and called everyone else Arabs.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
And everyone knows that iran did not warn israel before firing missiles at israel.
You seem to be having a wild discussion with some other guy, because these aren't even connected to what I said.
No, they have jews, arabs, and israeli adults.
Way to show you are full of it.
This is a survey comparing between arab and jewish adults living in israel (as is literally written on thw bottom).
The "israeli adults"? That is just the total.
Also- all surveys? Don"t click next page then, because they have a survey without mentioning the term "arab" at all.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/06/03/israeli-public-is-increasingly-skeptical-about-lasting-peace/pg_2025-06-03_israel_0_05/
Do you not know what the word "arab" mean? Are you kidding me?
Arab is an ethnic group. Palestinians are arabs. That's not a slur, that's not a bad word- this is literally how they identify.
Israel did not invent that word.
showerbridge@reddit
Moving the goal post... And yes they did.... And you know what? Why does it matter... They destroyed their homes.
Also why don't we talk what Israel do to people who can't defend themselves? Look at Gaza... You have no humanity left in you.
I've seen kids walking around with a bag where he is asked is it not heavy, and the kid answer "no, he is my brother"... I heard the recording of hind rajab who begged to get help, who was in an ambulance and was killed by the IDF...
Iran can not come close to the evil that Israel and USA have done in Gaza... The Palestinian people have the right to exist and Israel is killing innocent kids.
Bro, I am saying that the Israeli state make this designation... It is not PEW that makes this distinction, it is the Israeli state. THEY say there are Arabs and there are Israeli Jews.
You know you are showing that you are a monster and you don't care about human life? This is why the majority of people are against Israel...
codkaoc@reddit
It's such a funny point this guy is making. Like I think he's forgetting what's written on the Houthi flag lol
codkaoc@reddit
Alternate explanation: Iran got thoroughly slapped by Israel, did not have significant means to retaliate, were incapable of launching a more significant response, were afraid of further dragging the USA into the conflict by a more meaningful attack, and launched a token response for its domestic audience
showerbridge@reddit
Why did Israel/America not attack again?
codkaoc@reddit
Good question. But considering both countries were able to operate over Iran with total impunity I don't think the answer is because they were afraid of Iran.
Wandererbelel@reddit
What is this take even lmao "Someone else did a bad thing, so let the Jews do bad things too!"
NordSquideh@reddit
someone bombed them so let them fight back with their bombs? just because they’re a civilized community capable of effective military operations doesn’t make them the bad guy.
Wandererbelel@reddit
Lol just them kicking me out my own land that I still fucking own lmao
For over 10 years they're trying to force me to sell my land for piss money. Oh no, the poor Zionist, they just want me land thay's all. I'm the bad guy for not giving it to the chosen people.
Zionists are not civilized lil bro.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
How were they holding back?
Israel has a missile interception system, shelters in every home, and israel has moved civilians into safer areas.
ebola_kid@reddit
There wouldn't be jihadists if Israel wasn't constantly trying to kill everyone around it lol
codkaoc@reddit
Jihadist attacks hotel in Mumbai, Israel's fault
Yep makes sense.
Honestly it's such an extreme form of racism to deny agency for people to do horrendous shit and instead blame Israel for it.
ebola_kid@reddit
Absolutely ridiculous interpretation to make lol. The guy clearly said "there would be no jihadists in the region". Is Mumbai in the region around Israel? Maybe I need to brush up on my geography. And don't worry man, america is just as evil and has done tons of horrendous shit too
codkaoc@reddit
Where in his quote-
do you see anything relating to the region? Or do you just want it to be interpreted that way?
And if it's Israel's fault for the region, then why the jihadis in Africa and India? Who's fault is that? MAYBE it's symptomatic of a larger issue
Every country has done horrendous shit. Shocker. Even precious Canada. Ask about the war crimes and the indigenous. Get off the fucking high horse.
ebola_kid@reddit
Idk man maybe america shouldn't have funded jihadist groups for decades? I think that's the larger issue lol
Yea no shit, Canada sucks too? Idk what point you're trying to make there lol, acting like I don't know we've also done genocide
Chris_Helmsworth@reddit
At what point do you finally give a horrible ideology and its devout followers their own agency and stop blaming everything on the evil western powers that be?
ebola_kid@reddit
Yea I don't deny it's damaging, and certainly don't think the Taliban, ISIS, etc are good, but I also don't think it's good at all that those groups/people in them were given tons of funding, training and intelligence for decades because and able to become what they are today.
codkaoc@reddit
Do you think it's a little bit racist to deny agency to the people doing terrorism? Like they had NO CHOICE but to blow up a hotel because of America
On that note, please also explain to me what terrorist groups in Africa and India the US was funding?
I'm not? You came at me saying America did bad shit. True! But no country has clean hands.
Effective_Jury4363@reddit
Well obviously not- all the jihadist would have completed their task by this point.
ebola_kid@reddit
"jihad" literally just means "struggle". The struggle is for them to survive Israel's genocide or desire to conquer everyone else, depending on where you are. So yea, their task would be complete if Israel stopped killing everyone. East concept to grasp
TearOpenTheVault@reddit
Hezbollah’s ‘jihad’ isn’t some nebulous struggle to survive, but good job playing word games around the common western way to refer to extremist Islamist groups engaging in armed conflict.
ebola_kid@reddit
Hezbollah was quite literally started as a group to resist the Israeli invasion of Lebanon (the second one anyways). It's not a "word game" lol, the word terrorist is a political designation and is used as the states that designate them see fit. Guys who fought the Soviets in Afghanistan were "freedom fighters" and "mujihadeen" to the west instead of "terrorists" and "jihadists" like they became when they fought the Americans two decades later.
NordSquideh@reddit
oh yeah, silly jihadists in Nigeria that Israel made right??
ebola_kid@reddit
Nigeria is in the same region as Israel?
NordSquideh@reddit
my point exactly?
ImprovementBig523@reddit
Big brain moment
L0L303@reddit
Naw we should let zionist jihadist rule the mid east instead. The ones that have snipers murder children for fun. The same ones that rape Palestinians on death on video
codkaoc@reddit
Zionist jihadist?
I really don't think you know what the words you're using mean lol
Jazzlike_Note1159@reddit
That may not be the proper terminology but zionists are no less religious fanatics.
codkaoc@reddit
Ok cool but the dude is just randomly chucking around word lol
Own_Thing_4364@reddit
So weird how this was downvoted into oblivion so fast. Hmmmmmmmmmm
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TrizzyG@reddit
Anti-Semites are c*ping hard because their only interest was to see Israelis killed. Things moving towards peace on the back of an almost complete Israeli military victory are incredibly triggering to such a worldview. As a result, they vent their frustrations on Reddit because they're slacktivists at the end of the day.
MrOaiki@reddit
What surprises me is how many antisemites the reclaim they’re not. I wonder if it’s because the want to hide their antisemitism or if it’s so deeply rooted that they can’t even grasp that they are.
Derfel1995@reddit
I think both apply in general with the "anti Zionist" crowd but varies depending on the individual in question, some wanting to hide their Antisemitism and some being so deeply rooted they don't see it or admit to themselves that they are Antisemitic. And others just being ignorant and easily misled
Chris_Helmsworth@reddit
I genuinely think they are blinded and aren't willfully antisemitic.
Seeing them tokenize non-zionist jews as "one of the good ones" gives xenophobic MAGA energy.
"How can I be racist I have a black friend?"
Vladxxl@reddit
"Aktually im anti-zionist 🤓"
djabor@reddit
both, and a few more variations on those
DanDan1993@reddit
Because a lot of people here (and generally in reddit) still live in fantasy land where Hezbollah won the recent clash and emerged victorious, humiliating the Israeli "diaper" forces by denying the occupation of the entire of Lebanon thus they are victorious.
Chris_Helmsworth@reddit
The ironic thing for me is those people claiming victories for Iran/Hezbollah/Hamas/Houthis were crying the words ceasefire from the rooftops days before.
It's like they want the violence to stop and when it does they claim how embarrassed Israel/US should be because they had to call it quits and couldn't handle the heat.
Unable_Research_2025@reddit
Remember how many accounts went silent when iran turned off Internet?
Own_Thing_4364@reddit
So when they accuse Israel of bots and having an Internet Army, it's just projection. Makes sense.
Zipz@reddit
Remind me was israel caught on Reddit or was it iran?
Best_Change4155@reddit
Both?
Zipz@reddit
No just Iran actually. Which is funny because no one here ever talks about it they just yell hasbra.
Chris_Helmsworth@reddit
I declare....Hasbra!!!!
giboauja@reddit
Every country has propaganda arms, but countries like Iran do employ a lot more people to do it.
Israel actually has to pay people, Iran can use state power to create that work force.
Either way the internet is actually an awful place for discourse.
Absolute_Satan@reddit
Not Really I am more pro Israel than anti Israel but I don't think that there is a side in this or any future conflict that doesn't wield an army of bots or trolls. They are simply too effective and cheap.
esperind@reddit
it always was
Zipz@reddit
Just a reminder even though everyone here loves to yell “Hasbra”
Iran is the country that was found influencing Reddit
zapreon@reddit
Tactical victories are nice, but strategic victories are far, far more valuable. This ceasefire deal with a stronger Lebanese state and structural weakening of Hezbollah through the secondary effect of Assad's regime falling looks much much more like a strategic victory in the making.
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