Nissan recalls of half a million vehicles over potential exploding engine bearings

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ikilledtupac@reddit (OP)

I wonder how this will work out. The article says if they find no evidence of metal, they will just change the oil. What if it happens later? I feel like this is just the bare minimum Nissan could do.

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Mariska_Hagerty@reddit

Probably get a warranty extension. That's how Subaru handled their CVT recall. No replacement during the recall inspection= issue covered for 8yr/100k

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Educational_Age_1333@reddit

"Dealers will inspect the engines, and in cases where it's necessary, they will replace the engine for free."

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Matt_WVU@reddit

My wife had a 2018 Outback

We got the extended warranty, and guess what? It failed anyways lol. Thank god it was covered too because it was a throwaway part and parts/labor was 10 grand to fix. Between that and cam carrier seals leaking under warranty, that damn car had nearly 15K in warranty repairs before 80,000 miles. I think out the door brand new we only paid 28K for it.

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DangerousAd1731@reddit

Holy ef 10k trans!

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Matt_WVU@reddit

I think the trans is like 7K for a reman unit from Subaru but labor is like another 3K

I won’t own another CVT unless it’s a ECVT

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Educational_Age_1333@reddit

Dealers will inspect the engines, and in cases where it's necessary, they will replace the engine for free.

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stevens_hats@reddit

Toyota did a recall on Tacoma frames for rusting out. Those that didn't take care of their truck and had rotted frames got a new frame. Those that did and were in ok/decent shape got a spray coating and two slaps, that's not going anywhere. No further warranty.

GM is doing this now with their 6.2 V8s. Totally fucked? New engine. Not fucked yet? Here's some different oil and a sticker on the filter.

Re: Nissan the variable compression engines were an interesting, but terrible idea.

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bimmervschevy@reddit

Is this a thinner-than-required oil situation like the GM 6.2s grenading or are these VC-Turbo engines just timebombs?

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

“Bare minimum that we could do” could be Nissans tag line.

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Plastic_Willow734@reddit

The demographic of people that are financing Nissans at 18% aren’t gonna take their car in for the recall but they or the people they sell it too will cry and moan about how unreliable they are when their motor grenades

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StonePrism@reddit

I can't believe poor people are so unwilling to pay money to give up their mode of transportation for a week. Because that's what it can be, depending on your situation. Do I want bumpy Nissan suspension, or do I want to eat this week? Don't be so quick to judge others.

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FireManiac58@reddit

If you’re poor you shouldn’t be buying a brand new car anyway?

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The_Owl_Man_1999@reddit

We're a poor family, we got a new at the time van specifically so if anything major goes wrong there's a warranty to fall back on instead of it just taking us off the road for a while/potentially forcing us to look for another car if the repair is too costly.

Turns out the security of a warranty is fucking worth it

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austinzone813@reddit

Part of not being poor is learning how to fix your own stuff.

Buy something used, reliable, and easy/cheap to repair. Common parts.

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The_Owl_Man_1999@reddit

We don't really have that many options to pick from, we needed a large people mover with at least 8 seats and a large enough boot for whenever we have to carry stuff/take the dog to the vet which for used leaves us with the exact same van but an almost 20 year older year model, an expensive to maintain Mercedes/VW mpv or a Kia Carnival that's more than 10 years old if we sacrificed the flat cargo floor. There's a lot more options for that segment brand new now though.

We can't even do anything beyond replacing a globe or a spark plug since we don't have a driveway/garage/carport at this house.

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StonePrism@reddit

I don't know, why don't you figure out the financials and let me fucking know? It's almost like that's the point, you're a fucking dickhead if you judge before knowing the whole situation.

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Pseudonym_741@reddit

I can't believe poor people are so unwilling to do basic research about the car they're about to buy. I guess that is why they stay poor.

Do I finance a 2022 Rogue or get an older car from a brand that doesn't have a reputation for defective drivetrains?

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SileAnimus@reddit

It's so funny too. It costs more to get a base model Hyundai Santa than it costs to get a base model Toyota Rav4, guess which one broke people are always going for?

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Bobguy64@reddit

Unable=\= unwilling. Time is a commodity. Being poor typically means less available free time and doing the same thing costs more. It's hard to fully understand this concept if you haven't been there before.

For example, if you're poor you're probably not wasting time on reddit, reading automotive news to know what kind of issues Nissan has had.

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stoopidrotary@reddit

Recalls are free though.

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StonePrism@reddit

That's cool. How much does it cost to not be able to drive to work? I mean maybe they could wait at the dealer for them to finish, but then they might still be missing a shift or now someone else has to pick up little Timmy for school. There's like a trillion fucking reasons why it might suck to get your car fixed, and unless you're somehow so intelligent you can rule out every single one, maybe don't fucking judge.

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stoopidrotary@reddit

This is a really good point. When I was a service advisor in these situations I made sure to either have a loaner ready or had our drive take them to/from whoever they need. I also made sure that if it was a recall that didn't require a car down that we scheduled it for when they needed the veh the least. I've had my shuttle pick up/drop off kids at school, groceries etc. As long as it was on the way to pick up or drop off the customer. There are tons of ways the SA can make it work for the cust. It's literally their job to.

Also, I'm just relaying information from experience. There's no need to be a dick.

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goaelephant@reddit

I used to manage an auto repair shop, one of the most challenging customers are the ones who NEED their car for work. I totally understand it, I've been in that position too. But it's very stressful when you need additional parts, technicians call out or other delays happen. They treat you like the anti-Christ when the car is experiencing downtime. I understand it completely, but it sucks when their problem is now your problem.

So yeah, I can see why some people defer maintenance. They have not a 2nd option. Maybe Turo? They have some cars as cheap as $15/day

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Careful-Combination7@reddit

How many sales could you save if you had a loaner car?

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goaelephant@reddit

We've done the calculation.

5% or less than our customers were "lost sales" because they couldn't afford to be without their car.

For us to purchase a loaner would require either an upfront cost OR a monthly payment. Plus registration, fueling, insurance, maintenance, cleaning plus managing additional paperwork (borrowed car agreements) plus having to get into debates with customers about damages they caused .... so money + headache wise it wasn't worth it for our small shop.

Sometimes we would just reimburse some of our client's rental days.

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Careful-Combination7@reddit

Good analysis!

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TireShineWet@reddit

I’m sure a lot more. But the insurance and upkeep for loaners is costly. Also I know it’s Nissan- but if someone needs their car isn’t it pretty simple to schedule out the repair for a time you can be guaranteed a loaner? I’ve done this before where I knew I had a big warranty repair and I was able to wait a few weeks and then have a loaner for a few days.

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Careful-Combination7@reddit

Hey, you're not OP

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TireShineWet@reddit

My bad I know you didn’t ask me lol

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Careful-Combination7@reddit

;D

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32steph23@reddit

It’s not like this is a public forum or anything

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argent_pixel@reddit

I feel like Uber/Lyft gift cards might be a play here.

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iforgotalltgedetails@reddit

All you said is fair. But to counter when you’ve had an appointment booked for 2-3 weeks and didn’t bother to plan another form of transportation during that time frame for when you won’t have your vehicle is not my problem.

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goaelephant@reddit

I know, its challenging to please customers

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Plastic_Willow734@reddit

Good thing it’s a recall so you’re not paying anything

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chromejockpsycho@reddit

Man car people are so classist

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garden_speech@reddit

What about their statement exactly is classist?

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Cold-Stable-5290@reddit

cars are associated with social status after all...

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MJOLNIRdragoon@reddit

Edit: this is commentary about people neglecting to do maintenance then trying to paint a car as unreliable, not poor people not being able to afford bills.

What, Nissan doesn't allow you to buy their cars unless your loan's interest rate is double digits or something?

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GodsFavoriteDegen@reddit

I can assplain.

A while back, an article came out that listed average credit scores on used car loans by brand, and Nissan was almost (as in, above Kia) at the bottom.

What the article said on closer inspection was that used Nissan buyers have an average credit score that's about 20 points lower than makes such as Toyota, Honda, Acura, and BMW, which is not that much. Furthermore, the average credit scores were all pretty abysmal, Porsche being the highest at a paltry 725.

What idiots on Reddit heard, and now repeat ad infinitum any time the word "Nissan" appears in a conversation, is that all Nissan drivers have credit scores in the 300s and that Nissan dealers will write a super subprime auto loan at a crazy rate to anyone with a detectable pulse. They also think that Nissan is the only car company that does this, because they inexplicably don't know that every dealer make will write you a subprime loan if that's what it takes to get you into the car.

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MJOLNIRdragoon@reddit

I know of Nissan's reputation. That doesn't explain why they brought up interest rate if their commend was about (not necessarily poor) people neglecting maintenance.

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GodsFavoriteDegen@reddit

The people who are "financing Nissans at 18%" are the subprime borrowers. That commenter just came up with a different way of expressing it.

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MJOLNIRdragoon@reddit

Yeah, that wasn't the unclear part...

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GodsFavoriteDegen@reddit

Well, you've had two opportunities to phrase your question in a manner that people understand what the fuck you're talking about, and you've failed. Maybe you don't get an answer to this one.

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MJOLNIRdragoon@reddit

That doesn't explain why they brought up interest rate if their commend was about (not necessarily poor) people neglecting maintenance.

You thought the explanation to that was "18% interest is a subprime loan"?

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BTTWchungus@reddit

What kind of stupid fucking comment is this? People are allowed to complain about the unreliability of their motor when there's a risk its going to grenade itself

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Plastic_Willow734@reddit

Is your J35 unreliable because it had the recall for seizing bearings?

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BTTWchungus@reddit

It would be, if it was at risk.

The recall only affects the direct-injection versions of the J35

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spamcritic@reddit

All recalls must be performed to change ownership of a vehicle.

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neverenoughguitars@reddit

In what dream world are you living in?

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LazyAd7151@reddit

Well, Nissan does make piece of shit unreliable cars... So

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RadicalSnowdude@reddit

Man why is it so hard to just not make a shit engine? Humanity has been building car engines for over 100 years and we’ve had examples of really good engines and really shit engines to learn from. And we still can’t get it right today?

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BlueKnight44@reddit

Performance.

Mass produced engines today have tolerances and performance (within thier constraints) of race engines of 20 years ago. Achieving the thermal efficiency they do while also achieving ever higher emissions standards is outright amazing.

But with that performance, any tiny defect will cause problems. Especially over 100s of thousands miles in huge varieties of driving conditions and patterns. The tolerances of surface finishes are a couple of steps above moving atoms around. And the tooling to create those finishes have to create dozens of engines an hour. We have optimized ICE to a crazy degree. Optimization reduces margin of error.

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SileAnimus@reddit

Man why is it so hard to just make a good engine and not make a shit engine?

They keep trying to make them in the USA.

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Skensis@reddit

Engine manufacturers are often chasing performance, efficiency, and price, so always adapting and developing new engines and technologies.

Sometimes designs that look good on a lab or controlled environment turn out to be bad.

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rumpleforeskih@reddit

We have a 2023 Route. Bought new. 35k miles. We also have a newborn son. Now my wife is terrified to drive this thing with our sign because she thinks the motor is gonna blow on the highway or somewhere were she’s at serious risk to get hit if there’s a loss of power. I don’t know what to do. If we trade it in I’m gonn have eat some negative equity. Out rate is 5 percent. I was gonna keep this suv for at least 10-12 years. Smh. I’ll never ever in my life buy another mission. They fucked U.S. good on this one. If the motor makes it to 100k I’d be shocked.

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C4PTNK0R34@reddit

Looks like it only affects the VC-Turbo 1.5L and 2.0L engines. Everyone else with a poverty-spec NA engine will be just fine aside from the usual CVT issues.

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alehanro@reddit

On the bright side, my old Nissan is not affected by this recall. On the other hand, I Googled “2013 Nissan Sentra recalls” and there are 5, 4 of which are airbag failures, 2 of which affect over 600,000 and just under a million cars. Noice. Gonna have to see if mine is one those million.

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Ok_Top55@reddit

Get full service on the way.

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Bluecolt@reddit

What's with all the engine bearing issues across the industry? Off the top of my head, GM, Toyota, Honda, now Nissan are having/had issues with bearings seizing recently.

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SileAnimus@reddit

What's with all the engine bearing issues across the industry?

They are making more engines in the United States and the United States fucking sucks at building engines.

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velociraptorfarmer@reddit

Manufacturers are tightening up bearing tolerances so they can run a slightly thinner oil to save .001mpg on fuel economy tests.

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YozaSkywalker@reddit

Thinner bearing shells and thinner oil

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2TurbReese@reddit

Are companies changing the type of oil used? Doubt. But definitely believe they are cost cutting where they shouldn’t, inside the engine. And probably using AI as their quality assurance.

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ascendant512@reddit

Are companies changing the type of oil used? Doubt.

You can doubt facts, but it just just makes you look like an idiot. /u/YozaSkywalker Is correct.

And probably using AI as their quality assurance.

If you think that a manufacturing sector known for its sloth-like rate of adoption for new technologies was probably using something like ChatGPT to QA engines in 5 years before it came out, your being blindsided by oil viscosity trends makes more sense.

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Gorgenapper@reddit

In Japan, for example, the new ultra-low-viscosity gasoline passenger car engine oil specification JASO GLV-1 has been claimable since October 2019, which paves the way for the introduction of SAE 0W-8 oils.

I hate this, it's already in some new Toyotas like the Prius. Next up, 0W-4!

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ShaolinTrapLord@reddit

Amazing

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Terrh@reddit

443,000 vehicles

1.2% of those have the defect, of those 1.2 most will be fixable with just the reprogram and different oil weight.

And the bearings don't "explode" they just might gradually fail.

Kinda misleading headline.

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oneeye3040@reddit

So an estimated 5,300 cars with a defective bearing that is know and being addressed. This is a non-story.

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Skensis@reddit

Still a story, not a case of like major investigative journalism, but nothing wrong with reporting on large car recalls.

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Terrh@reddit

feels that awy

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ikilledtupac@reddit (OP)

How would a reprogram fix bad machining?

I actually toned the headline down a lot it aaa the daily mail and was like KILLER CARS

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MasoFFXIV@reddit

Probably pulled timing for the lower RPM's. Heavier weight oil for the higher RPM's and also in general.

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Life_Menu_4094@reddit

It's a shame the current Rogue only got one model year before going VC-Turbo - particularly as the old 2.5 seemed to be super robust. It's the only vaguely appealing car they make right now outside of their (truly appreciated) lower cost options.

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kramertheserval@reddit

just what Nissan needed right now

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mini4x@reddit

They've done it to themselves.

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Fearless_Neat_6654@reddit

Exactly, nobody asked them to make this VC nonsense. All they had to do was make their e-Power hybrid system more widely available.

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StatusCount7032@reddit

And Mitsu?

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varezhka11@reddit

Mitsubishi Outlander is using the tried and true 2.5L I4 NA (PR25DD). The only thing they're suffering from is bad Nissan electronics and wiring harnesses, which both allegedly have much higher failure rate than the past Mitsubishi ones. Shocking, I know.

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StatusCount7032@reddit

2.4L. I know. I have one :)

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varezhka11@reddit

Ah yes, the 4B12 world engine in the PHEV. I don't have the reliability figure, but I won't be too surprised if they turned out to be more durable than the Nissan PR engine in the gas models.

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ConversationEasy7134@reddit

Had a rogue. Never had that many problems. That won’t be with their maxima they will survive. Time to belly up Nissan 👋🏻

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phxees@reddit

Another win for ICE.

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Suecra@reddit

Sarcastic?

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iHaveLotsofCats94@reddit

So is everyone. 6.2 issues in GM trucks, Toyota's recall on the new 6 cylinders in Tundras, Fords with oil consumption/oil pump belt issues (different motors, but still). Seems to be the hot new thing

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