It Has Gone Global.
Posted by Monsur_Ausuhnom@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 155 comments
Posted by Monsur_Ausuhnom@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 155 comments
jadelink88@reddit
Oddly enough, climate crop failures are likely to lead to an increase in obesity in the west.
Those fresh fruits and veg are far harder to get out, and more water hungry, and most are pollinator dependent. (and this is without Trumpian purges of the agricultural labor pool needed to harvest them).
As poverty sweeps the US, you're going to get more high fructose corn syrup, and more 'flour fried in fats with chemical flavouring' and 'mystery meat burger' foods.
Over the next decade, this is very likely the fate of the US. The mad max fantasy is actually just going to be more poverty, homelessness, malnutrition, stupidity and ...obesity.
At some point it reverses and rates start coming down, but that wont happen till US citizens are most of those doing hard manual labor and growing gardens for food is considered a necessity for the poor, and not a hobby for the middle class. Obesity rates drop when US citizens live on rice and beans, and home grown vegetables and have phyisical jobs, and that's not likely to be a majority in the next 10 years.
DastardlyMime@reddit
Somehow I don't think obesity's going to be a problem for much longer
6rwoods@reddit
My thoughts exactly! We should consider ourselves *lucky* if there's still enough food left in 10 years for that many people to be obese... Funny and sad at the same time.
Kootenay4@reddit
Obesity isn’t directly related to eating huge volumes of food though (I mean just look at professional athletes), it’s when people eat specific unhealthy processed foods and fail to exercise.
the ratio of processed garbage to healthy fresh food is likely to increase in coming years as more crops fail and production gets ever more centralized in factory farms using ever higher degrees of chemicals and preservatives
dboygrow@reddit
Obesity isn't directly related to eating huge volumes of food? Yes I would say it is extremely directly related. I mean yea sure if you're Michael Phelps and you have a good amount of muscle and you spend literally almost all day long every single day doing high intensity cardio then sure you can burn off 6000 calories but that's an absurd standard to hold other people to. Even if you do an hour of cardio every single day it's only going to help you burn 500-1000 more calories depending on your size and intensity.
craniumblast@reddit
500-1000 calories is extremely significant for weight loss
dboygrow@reddit
Yea I know it is but not if you're eating 6000 calories per day. We were talking about huge volumes of food being eaten. If you're eating 6000kcal a day and burn off 1000 through cardio you're still going to gain weight because hardly anyone needs 5000kcal to maintain their weight.
bellacarolina916@reddit
His point was that processed food is way more calorie dense and you don’t have to eat a crazy amount to have thousands of calories per day. Eating a box of Kraft Mac and cheese between 2 people is not that much food but it’s a lot of calories Nor is it much in nutrition so people are often hungry again
dboygrow@reddit
I don't think most obese people are splitting a box of Mac n cheese between two people. I think most obese people are eating the entire box as a side to their 3 hotdogs. Both things are true. People eat like shit, and they eat a lot of it.
Kootenay4@reddit
I mean it CAN happen that way but most cases have more to do with what you eat than the raw volume. Someone who eats 3000 calories of processed junk food is much more likely to become obese than someone that eats 3000 calories of nutritious fresh “real” food. The way the body breaks down and absorbs those foods varies a lot. That’s why we see obesity happening even in many poorer countries, particularly those that export their domestic food production to the West in exchange for processed food imports.
dboygrow@reddit
Well the vast majority of people will eventually become obese if they eat 3000kcal of any kind of food, because that's more calories than the average man and woman needs, and excess calories will make your weight go up regardless of its nutrient content. It's just that with processed junk food it tends to be more calorie dense and palatable, meaning it's a lot easier to eat 3000kcal of big macs and ice cream then it is chicken breast, potatoes, and broccoli. And look at your average person, they're drinking beer and soda every day. Each one has 100-150kcal and most people drink many. Then they have an orange juice when they wake up. Most people don't even think about these things and their caloric content and just mindlessly consume.
jonathanfv@reddit
Last week I watched a video about why there were less fat people in Japan than in the USA, and one thing they said floored me. In Japan, the average yearly consumption of pop per person is "only" 30L, while in the US it's 150L. To me, even the Japanese average is insane. That means that on average Japanese people still drink 1.6 cans of pop every week each?!
Am I one of the only people around who almost never drinks pop ever and prefer water for 99% of my drinking?
6rwoods@reddit
The normalisation of hyper sweet, hyper chemical ultra-processed junk food is a major problem for sure. It baffles me that so many kids at the school where I work bring bags of sweets and soda/sweet sports drinks in the morning as 'breakfast'. Like, do parents still not know why a growning teenager needs actual FOOD in the morning instead of junk food??
In terms of the Japanese average, I think it's probably skewed by people who drink a lot of it whereas most have very little of it. And just looking around, people who like sodas and those types of drinks tend to have a LOT of it, at least a few a week or even one a day, minimum.
I have a can of soda maybe once every few months, if I'm out with people who are drinking it and think "fuck it, I'll have a diet coke". I do like smoothies sometimes, and natural fruit juice if I can get it, but otherwise I'm happy with water too.
jonathanfv@reddit
Yeah, makes sense. A low percentage of heavy pop drinkers probably consuming half of the total, lol.
BitchfulThinking@reddit
I cannot even picture what 3000kcal of plant based food in a day would look like, unless it's all battered and fried? I struggle to reach the low end of the daily caloric requirements for women. I feel like a person would have 3+ poops a day from that much fiber alone 😵
Kootenay4@reddit
That’s why in my original comment I also specified “fail to exercise”…
MeateatersRLosers@reddit
Not really. It’s that processed food averages 6x the calorie density of the foods we evolved on.
That’s why diets tend to fail. People fall back on eating the same exact foods that made them fat, just less of it. Since we have evolved satiety sensors in the gut that include volume (stretch receptors) we have to figure either the sensors the world around became faulty… or the food changed.
Iow, you are promoting a paradigm of thought that has been failing to really help anything the last 150 years.
While Michael Phelps burned a fair amount of his calories from movement, most of the 10,000 calorie burn actually came from maintaining body temperature in a 80 degree pool for many hours on end.
Since humans burn 100 calories a mile, to say what he burned daily was purely cardio would be like saying he was running 70 miles a day, or nearly 2.7 marathons daily. Just silly.
ambelamba@reddit
This brings up some interesting conversations i had recently.
My youngest sister is visiting Korea with her kids and she noticed that the quality of grocery items is far superior than the ones sold in the US. While DMing each other she also told me that Europeans visiting the US notice the particular quality issues with foods overall.
ElectroDoozer@reddit
Euro here - visited the US once and the portion sizes are insane for a normal human being. I ate enough of my breakfast to be content and full but left like 4 pancakes and most of the rest of it on the plate. The waitress asked if the food was ok. She was so worried she dragged the chef out to ask me what the problem was…nuts.
beardsgivemeboners@reddit
Where did you eat that there were four leftover pancakes??? 😂😂😂 also the level of care is impressive, I’d imagine people wouldn’t care whatsoever what you left on your plate but 🤷♂️
ambelamba@reddit
Maybe it's just me, but the poor quality of macro and micronutrients makes the large portion of the food still not filling up the stomach well.
ChromaticStrike@reddit
You can be overweight without eating that much, however the obesity (BMI class 1+) is definitely going to have overeating involved unless it's because of a peculiar metabolism or an illness. "huge volume of food" is relative.
You can totally be obese by eating decent food, all you need is going over your daily calorie consumption, fat and oil can be found without relying on unhealthy processed foods. And yeah, overly muscular people that consume a lot are just as much a problem. Outside of the minority that actually needs the body for their job.
Nanoulandia@reddit
I agree with you. It's not just calories in, calories out. That has been mostly debunked although that does not mean that total number of calories is entirely meaningless, just that the quality of the calories matters greatly too. Processed and junk food (not exactly the same) profoundly impact how insulin works (among other things). So at the same level of calories someone eating crap would have completely different markers in their blood, as well as weight. As food becomes harder to grow and more expensive, junk will become more prevalent. Prospects are not good....
anyfarad@reddit
It has to do with consuming more calories than your body can use in a given day. Ultra processed foods tend to be very calorie dense while fresh vegetables tend to be low in calories.
Professional athletes can consume more calories without becoming obese because they can burn those calories.
I grew up on unhealthy food and I’ve never been fat in my life.
magniankh@reddit
Obesity isn't just quantity of food being eaten, it's the food itself. Americans have easy access to deep fried foods, and way too much sugar. Sugar is an addiction from the gut, peoples' guts crave it after some time. There is WAY too much sugar in most drinks, and way too much salt in too many prepared foods.
Granted, I do think that bigger people tend to eat more, but what you are eating matters a lot, if not more. So lack of food won't necessarily bring down obesity rates because it's about the sugar, salt, and deep fried foods.
6rwoods@reddit
I'm not saying you're wrong overall, but please re-read that last sentence of yours and think again. I'm pretty sure having NO food to eat will bring down obesity rates, regardless of the type of food we're talking about.
blingblingmofo@reddit
People can get fat in relatively inexpensive foods. They can also be lazy with little effort.
filmguy36@reddit
The new crop failure “fad” diet
ZenApe@reddit
Guess the carnivore diet folks can switch to eating long pig once the other animals are gone....
filmguy36@reddit
Obesity on the long pig diet 😬
CosmicGoddess777@reddit
Grossss. Think of how many people you’d need to eat for that. You’d probably get gout from it too 🤮 lol
filmguy36@reddit
Pick your long pig wisely lol
cactuschili@reddit
ik it’s not funny but i giggled
filmguy36@reddit
Gotta laugh to keep sane 👍😀
DastardlyMime@reddit
If you're not laughing you're crying
Tasha4424@reddit
I feel like some people think I don’t take things as seriously as I should but like the alternative is me crashing out all the time so laughter it is I guess 🙃
DestroyedByLSD25@reddit
Peak fat
Dudeogenes@reddit
Obesity rates rising in the US, fat chance!
littlepup26@reddit
This is actually something that really scares me. I'm 5'5 and 115 pounds and it's very difficult for me to even keep my weight this high. I'll be among the first to starve.
randoul@reddit
Billions must be starve so millions may continue being fed to their liking.
crazzzone@reddit
I was thinking that with the availability of drugs that can help with obesity, especially in the USA, we might not have as big of a problem. Our new government seems open to taking bold actions regarding other countries' food supplies. Also, we have the capability to construct things rapidly. Just look at how quickly we built our first modern concentration camp. I believe that if needed, we could have 100 square miles of greenhouses built within 3 months.
Collapse2043@reddit
Yeah, it should help people survive the coming famines. That’s exactly what nature intended excess weight for.
lutavsc@reddit
comewhatmay_hem@reddit
Pretty sure China has low obesity rates because fatshaming works. Chinese cuisine is full of rich, fatty foods, they just eat them in reasonable amounts.
OxytocinOD@reddit
China stays winning huh
Fearless-Temporary29@reddit
Novo Nordisk shares hit all time highs.
Junior-Consequence12@reddit
when tobacco companies making your food
Potential_Being_7226@reddit
Obesity is a BMI of at least 30 or higher. The US obesity rate is about 40%.
https://apnews.com/article/how-common-is-obesity-us-5663c0388b19009eae3834d695710bc4
https://www.forbes.com/health/weight-loss/obesity-statistics/
I would like to know where the data are coming from in this graphic.
Just because it was casual Friday doesn’t mean we should be disseminating exaggerated infographics.
BreakinTheSlate@reddit
As a Type 1 Diabetic diagnosed late in life- Nothing makes you lose weight more quickly than ✨️just not eating✨️. A lot of people are going be slimming down here soon!
Bighairynuts271@reddit
Wouldn’t this be a sign that there wont be a collapse and that things are getting better?
ActuallyApathy@reddit
who gives a fuck if fat people exist. get some perspective good god.
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surewhynotokaythen@reddit
World: Let's give everyone access to something that makes it to where they don't have to move!
Also World: Why is everyone so fat?
Holanderrante@reddit
Just take a shot of Ozempic and back to the burger joint seems to be the tactic.
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
The irony of this being posted in a sub where much of the time people are saying we’ll be in widespread famine by 2035. How will we be fat in famine? Over half the US obese? I am struggling to comprehend that, and feeling like it’s maybe overestimating. I am in a very obese part of the US and I still don’t feel like 1/3 of the people I see in public are. And to be quite frank, although I’m just making assumptions, a lot of the people I see who are obese also look physically disabled and/or elderly.
Idk, I definitely wish we focused on widespread societal factors and norms a lot more than just regional maps and statistics when it comes to obesity. We can scream the numbers and estimates all day, but when will we start taking actions to help people? The food industry is predatory and killer, and work-life balance ruins people’s bodies, lives, and mental health. Virtually nobody is knowledgeable about the food and substances they put in their bodies, often actively spreading misinformation.
Let’s stop talking about the problem on a surface level, I feel we’ve covered that enough. It’s like we’re just pointing at a graph saying, “Look how many fat people there are, sad.” which feels unproductive and honestly like a pile-on.
EmFan1999@reddit
I think you might j
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
I mean, the BMI scale is really not designed well or that helpful. Regardless, it’s still just a number assigned to someone, not an assessment of any issue or cause. But, it becomes an identity forced onto them, through social stigma around fatness. “Even people that look just a bit fat are probably clinically obese” is such an overstatement as well.
People normalize unhealthy skinny weights all the time, shouldn’t that be part of the equation then if we’re talking about normalizing unhealthy weight? I feel like malnourishment is on the rise yet not being brought up despite being collapse related.
And I didn’t say being overweight or obese isn’t unhealthy. But sunbathing, drinking, getting covid, those things aren’t healthy either. Yet honestly, they carry less stigma than being obese does. Yet, they’re more of a choice most of the time, if you think about it and look at all the possible factors.
ParamedicExcellent15@reddit
Being obese and malnourished at the same time is nothing new. Fat people eating carbs and ultra processed foods leads to a lack of nutrients and also causes it due to poverty
MeateatersRLosers@reddit
There is nothing wrong with carbs.
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
It’s fairly new in human history, actually. Our bodies definitely haven’t adapted to the change, much like with other aspects of modern human society.
ParamedicExcellent15@reddit
Yes new in our history, not in terms of modern medicine, for clarification
EmFan1999@reddit
Do you really see any unhealthily skinny people these days though? If I compare photos of my parents and their friends in the 70s, me in the 90s/00s and then teens/young adults of today, the differences are pretty clear
Malnourishment is definitely a hidden issue yeah
I think obesity is the symptom of many unhealthy lifestyle choices, including drinking and also lack of exercise, the outcomes are worse than things like sunbathing (at least in the UK anyway)
ParisShades@reddit
I think OP might be referring to people who are thin, but still live unhealthy lifestyles. I've known so many skinny people who eat like crap and never exercise, but justify it with "I never get fat."
It's still good to do those things, even if you don't easily put weight on.
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
Yes, it’s possible to maintain what seems a normal weight and still be malnourished and not get the proper nutrients and sustenance one needs to sustain their life and body and mind properly. But because that’s not outright noticeable like being fat is, it doesn’t carry the same stigma, and isn’t associated with being as bad or as harmful. It also completely ignores the reality that two people’s bodies can handle the same exact diet and exercise differently, and people have to do different amount of work in order to reach the same weight and health. We can’t just ignore that aspect of it, either.
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
Yes, I see unhealthily skinny people all the time, and there’s also plenty of skinny (or even normal weight) people you see every day who can be unhealthy for a variety of reasons. Eating disorders, other diseases and conditions that can be aquired through lifestyle choices and lack of precaution or protection, improper use of medications like Ozempic (leading to situations like Kyle Richards’s daughter posting online about losing her hair from malnutrition on the drug, and she’s been documented growing up her whole life on video to never be overweight). It’s on the rise again right now, skinny culture, heroin chic, and it’s just more acceptable. Being underweight or even average or healthy weight but with an ED can have lifelong effects, too.
ParisShades@reddit
What's "look a bit fat" to you? I'm genuinely asking. Do you have any examples?
EmFan1999@reddit
Looking a bit fat, I’m talking about having a larger stomach, bigger bums and thighs, flabbier arms.
Dress sizes are getting larger as people do, to make people think they are staying the same even when they are gaining weight. I often buy xs now when I would have bought a small or medium 20 years ago. I have got fatter, not skinner.
ParisShades@reddit
Ah, I understand now, though I do prefer a bigger bum and thick thighs!
cosmic_sparkle@reddit
I think the heroin chic people have invaded collapse... Or maybe they were here all along .. God bless bums and thighs...
ParisShades@reddit
I'm not surprised as r/collapse is a popular subreddit nowadays, so the quality has dropped significantly and heroin chic is back in vogue.
AMEN!!!
MsSchrodinger@reddit
I used to be obese and I was the average clothes size for a women in the UK. The people you are noticing will be morbidly obese.
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
I think if they determined your clothing size was average, you’re not obese, otherwise that would mean more than half the female population there is expected to be obese already. Your comment seems to imply the UK has already reached the percentages listed on this map for 2035, ten years early.
416246@reddit
BMI is a flawed metric
Yourfantasyisfinal@reddit
True. It only takes into account height not muscle mass, body fat, or frame size. A dude with bone structure like mike tyson should obviously be weighing more than someone built machine gun Kelly lol. It’s an ok metric for average build and average height. But for taller or shorter people with broader builds or lankier builds it’s gonna be more flawed.
unseemly_turbidity@reddit
Not if they're also shorter than average. A size 16 at 150cm is very different to size 16 and 180cm.
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
Well we also know enough about anatomy now that we know BMI doesn’t translate that well across height differences, as well as other differences like bone density ratio and individual body proportions related to genetics.
unseemly_turbidity@reddit
But on a population level, which is what we're specifically talking about here, it's pretty good.
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
Not if the projected statistics don’t sound like they’ll line up with reality, like here. But I guess we’ll see
unseemly_turbidity@reddit
If the person we are responding to is average UK height, wears the average UK clothes size and is obese according to BMI, then you can conclude that the average UK person is obese (if the distributions are approximately normal).
If all we know is that they are obese and they wear the average UK clothes size, we can't infer anything about UK obesity levels, because we don't know if they're shorter than average. If they are short, they could be obese at a clothes size that would also fit an average height, healthy weight UK person.
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
I think the thing is, if we’re going to point out height, we need to be honest and mention that height can affect the BMI measurement someone receives in the first place, and it can actually be less accurate (in either direction) because of that. That’s one of the reasons using the BMI scale to determine obesity is not helpful nor very valuable as statistical information. The focus should shift entirely to cause and effect and the science beneath it, not a measurement assigned based on inconsistent factors and then a treatment plan that often poorly combats those factors.
dboygrow@reddit
BMI certainly has short comings but it's a useful tool because it's so simplistic. If you have a BMI of 30, which is obese, you're either very fat, or you're a professional athlete/bodybuilder on steroids. It's very likely to be accurate for the vast majority of the population. And if we use a better metric, like bodyfat percentage, then even more people would be considered obese. There are far more people in the healthy BMI range who have a high bodyfat percentage and very low muscle mass than the opposite.
MsSchrodinger@reddit
I would guess that a lot of the women in that clothing size are overweight as i wasn't too far into the obese category. And nearly 60% of women are either overweight or obese.
Of course the BMI isnt always helpful but for the vast majority of adults I would say it gives an indication of their health.
The-Unmentionable@reddit
Even within the US there is a wide range of geographically based sizing differences. I size 12 dress in the NE might be a size 6 in the SE. It's wild. People living in areas with more obesity may not realize because in their world, they're an average size.
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
Clothing sizes can change between brands and between new lines from the same brand, as well, so that’s not quite an accurate measurement to go off of. Many clothing brands use vanity sizing that changes size as the years go on to feed their customers’ ego and purchase desires.
416246@reddit
BMI is a xx flawed metric
Nice_Fudge5914@reddit
It only takes an extra 250 calories - a light snack - per day to gain massive weight over the years. The body releases hormones to make us hungry, and it is hit-or-miss whether those hunger signals precisely match our caloric needs. Unless someone tightly monitors their intake by weighing their food and almost NEVER has a snack, it is a tossup whether someone will gain weight or not. Pure biological luck. Calorie counting is an obsessive behavior that most people cannot sustain. Yet we still pretend that obesity has something to do with choice or culture. It's not a choice; it's just that some people simply can't fight their own metabolism when it's constantly trying to trick us into gaining weight. It really blows my mind that it's SO easy to gain weight, but people act like all fat people are just hoovering fattening foods all the time. NO. All it takes is a small snack a day - a granola bar - to end up 300lbs in your forties. You can eat healthy and exercise and still gain weight just from eating one cookie or coffee per day at the office. It's absurd that we treat fat people so badly. The other day the nurse told me, "You're 253 POUNDS," with an inflection like he was dropping a bomb on me. I know?!? Do you think that by being cruel to me, I will realize the error of my ways - no, the cruelty is the point.
osoberry_cordial@reddit
To your first point, the line for obesity is probably lower than you realize. There are classes of obesity - in America we’re so used to being fat that unless someone reaches class 2 or 3, they probably don’t look that big to us.
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
I’m well aware of obesity as almost my entire family is obese.
FaradayEffect@reddit
Obesity comes right before famine. The best food for losing weight is usually high quality, high nutrition food that leaves you feeling satiated even though you didn’t eat that many calories.
When the population is obese it’s because all they can afford is low quality junk food that is not very nutritious. It leaves you craving more junk but still fundamentally dissatisfied, so you eat more of it.
Basically obesity is because all people can afford, or have time for, is low quality food. A richer society with access to high quality food, and which gives its citizens enough time to cook and take care of their own nutrition, will tend to have fit people
unseemly_turbidity@reddit
It is possible to be both overweight and malnourished. If you're eating doughnuts all day, you're going to get plenty of calories but you'll be deficient in everything else.
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
Yes. Some people can accomplish the same thing and appear to be a healthy, “normal” weight as well, and manage to avoid the stigma that fat people have even if they’re eating healthy and working out.
Truly, I think many if not most people eat in quite unhealthy ways, and much of our food is unhealthy yet normalized, no matter your size.
The hyperfixation on the result of being fat from the causes, instead of focusing on those causes that harm people of all weights and not just fat people, only further contributes to the issue and the division of people based on weight, and then the stigma perpetuates rewrites the story and blames the fat people for being fat instead of all people for our individual choices, as well as society for societal choices.
It’s pretty clear the optics are mainly centered around the discontent with fatness and less around the health, safety, and lifestyle aspects, because those should realistically be promoted to everyone to help prevent all people from suffering complications related to obesity, ED, malnourishment, etc. If they really cared about fat people, they’d try harder to keep people from getting fat, and focus less on just the fat people who are already fat. But I think it’s pretty clear most people are more upset about the fatness and associate that with an unhealthy lifestyle inherently, and are less likely to make that assumption on someone of less weight even if it’s still likely or common.
SGC-UNIT-555@reddit
A country can experience famines within one section of society and obesity in another.
g00fyg00ber741@reddit
I mean in the US, I don’t think your comment applies to this projection, tbh. It’s widespread among different cultures and classes. And there’s such drastic wealth inequality, I am not seeing how it would turn into a situation where half the country was obese and half wasn’t, in a famine situation. It’d be 1-10% are obese and the rest are dead or starving, more likely.
this_one_has_to_work@reddit
Obesity can be a manifestation of depression when people eat to fill their sorrows
wankawaythespanky@reddit
As I eat 4 desserts... 🤣😢
BitOBear@reddit
Well with the collapse of the United States agriculture system I expect the obesity rate of America to drop sharply over the next 5 years.
Glacecakes@reddit
This feels like the least of our problems rn tbh.
Financial-Tiger-5687@reddit
US takes the lead. The fat consumption cow of the world
Moochingaround@reddit
It's a problem of capitalism or western society as a whole nowadays. Healthy food is expensive. Crap food is cheap and addictive. And it also happens to serve the profit margins.
Canyoubackupjustabit@reddit
Intermittent, involuntary fasting.
loveinvein@reddit
“Obesity” is not a “problem.”
There isn’t one single health issue that ONLY impacts higher weight people. Thin people get diabetes, heart disease, and whatever else the media is attributing to being higher weight these days.
Science shows that weight loss attempts fail 95-98% of the time 2-5 years after starting, and that weight cycling (the loss and regain cycle) has the same or stronger correlation with health issues we attribute to weight alone. We also don’t have any good and robust science that says losing weight eliminates health problems— the things we do to attempt to reduce weight (improved nutrition, more exercise, lower stress) all have positive impacts on our health regardless of what our starting or ending weight is. Because, again, there isn’t one single health issue that only impacts higher weight people. Healthy behaviors help EVERYONE, independent of weight.
Demonizing body size isn’t helpful here. Let’s instead focus on how collapse is ruining our collective health, and it doesn’t matter what our pants size is.
vat-of-goo@reddit
Stop ignoring your doctor, fatty. Your delusions are making you sick.
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dboygrow@reddit
None of what you said is how science works. It's not making any absolute claims like certain health issues affecting only obese people or losing weight will eliminate health problems. Science has shown over and over and over and over again in just about every conceivable way to structure a study/clinical trial that the more obese one is, the higher the chance they have of developing one or more of many different diseases, and that losing weight will drastically decrease this risk. And even beyond the risk of disease, there is a huge decrease in quality of life. If you're obese, you're less mobile, there is more chronic stress on your joints and connective tissue, you develop metabolic disorders which affect hormone production, the list goes on and on.
Go watch 1000lb sisters and you will see just how much being obese affects one's health and well-being. You're right in that everyone regardless of weight will benefit from things like eating better foods, doing cardio, and managing stress, but the weight itself is 100% for certain without any doubt, a problem for one's health.
loveinvein@reddit
Here is a list of actual scientific studies, with actual peer reviewed science and not some reality show rage bait: https://weightandhealthcare.substack.com/p/the-research-post
dboygrow@reddit
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIR.0000000000000973
https://asmbs.org/resources/consensus-statement-on-obesity-as-a-disease/#:~:text=Obesity%20is%20a%20highly%20prevalent,body%20is%20affected%20by%20obesity.
https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/48/Supplement_1/S167/157555/8-Obesity-and-Weight-Management-for-the-Prevention
Can you find me a major medical institution that doesn't treat obesity as a disease or recognize the health risks that come with obesity? You can live in lala land if you want but you're spreading a dangerous message
DaBootLady@reddit
Nawww, too many people on Ozempic
Interwebzking@reddit
Glad I’ve been working on my fitness!
wastingtoomuchthyme@reddit
Everyone likes money..
Big food bribes the regulators...
Population gets poisoned..
I remember my first visit to Europe and saw how fit and healthy everyone looked.. I then flew back and landed in Las Vegas airport.. and it looked like that scene from Wall-E where everyone was in rascal mobility scooters..
C-Lekktion@reddit
Even within Europe. Fly from Norway to Scotland and you'll have a similar experience.
wastingtoomuchthyme@reddit
I've been to Scotland a while ago.. loved it.. haven't been to Norway yet.. I should add it to the list.
Las Vegas Airport was a whole different level..
C-Lekktion@reddit
Highly recommend Norway. I was shocked that much of Scandanavia was as affordable for travel, eating out, lodging, as my MCOL US city. This was a couple years back though and I suspect the dollar is weaker now.
I can imagine the Las Vegas airport is probably about one of the worst places for obesity. Maybe a walmart somewhere in the south would beat it. But the difference between Oslo and Edinburgh was immediately noticeable. Just a bunch of rotund tomato people coming back from their Spanish holiday (we went in June).
wastingtoomuchthyme@reddit
It would just see a lot of thumbs waddling/scooting around with sunglasses.. hardly anyone looking healthy at all..
And when I travel and spend extended periods of time outside the US I noticed I feel way better. A lot more energy no stomach stuff my skin clears up..
Go back to 'merica and I start feeling like crap again after a few days.. if I didn't have family here I'd be gone..
waffledestroyer@reddit
Americans work hard, and eat hard. Europoors can't afford 8 Big Macs per day.
Philostotle@reddit
Virgin Europeans cannot compete with giga chad Americans
R-F262020@reddit
Won't ozampic bring this down? ♥️
MeateatersRLosers@reddit
Not a surprise as we shipped our culture and way of eating out around the world. The number one predictor of obesity is calorie density. Over 100 studies done this time, validating it time and again, a number of them from Barbara Rolls out of Penn State (who has consistently had the #1 diet plan in America according to US News I think).
When you move from mostly 40-600 calorie / pound plants to their 800-4000 calorie per pound processed versions, there will be consequences.
And the kicker? As calories go up, especially with salt, oil, and flavors, your body's binging mechanism will want to cram in more thinking you have one of those elusive feast meals that used to be rare in nature. People don't binge on plain foods.. But we don't eat plain foods anymore, every meal now needs to be an occasion.
Texuk1@reddit
I think this is only part of the picture. The other part is that processing and the recombination of foods into components stripped of all food structure is currently hypothesised to disrupt the microbiome, endocrine systems and immune response. These changes drive eating as proven in rat studies, we overeat not because the calorie density but also because processed food disrupts how our bodies function and make us unwell.if you remove processed food from your diet completely you will discover how difficult it is to gain weight passively.
MeateatersRLosers@reddit
Yup, it’s a intercorrelated multivariable, however processing is almost synonymous with increased calorie density in most cases.
For example where it’s not, I can make a smoothie out of a bag of frozen fruit and eat way more way way faster than if I ate the fruit whole. However, the caloric hit is small (eating 100-200 calories of fruit vs 300 calories of smoothie).
Another example where calorie density matters even with whole foods is raisins. I struggle to eat a cup of grapes (63 calories) but for some reason can eat a cup of raisins (500+ calories) with (any, almond in my case) milk.
Anyway, both answers converge towards the same solution, as much as possible, eat food as grown in the garden, other than it was peeled or cut (by hand).
Monsur_Ausuhnom@reddit (OP)
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because obesity is a widespread problem that looks to not be simply in the land of America though it might have started there possibly. Unhealthy foods have been allowed to run rampant as we can see some are well below yellow and deserved to be studied. These numbers are likely conservative especially for America.
merikariu@reddit
TBH, the USA needs another category above 55%. Also, why is Türkiye and Saudi Arabia so afflicted by obesity?
quadralien@reddit
I saw a horrifying documentary about obesity in the UAE. Western fast food like KFC is new, and sometimes the only place where families can sit down together - traditional places don't let genders mix. Also it's ridiculously tasty so they ate a lot of KFC, not knowing that it was going to give them obesity and diabetes. There was a teenage girl who looked like the Stay-Puft Marshmallow man. Very sad.
light-yagamii@reddit
I agree with your point about people middle eastern countries being obsessed with fast food. They eat there cause they like to indulge and it’s different from their traditional food. But men/women can definitely eat together at restaurants with traditional cuisine.
Top_Hair_8984@reddit
I'm sure the stats are for more affluential people, the more rural people I saw while working there were not overweight. The affluent are, they have servants, nannies etc.
sortOfBuilding@reddit
we have terrible food but also we have cities where it is bad to walk. drive here. drive there. drive everywhere! you’ve got no other choice.
except NYC and the handful of other city pockets that offer that lifestyle. our cities suck ass.
catlaxative@reddit
Okay but, what are all these fat people eating in 2035? I guess technically there are a lot of calories in data centers…
itsatoe@reddit
Increasingly-artificial food.
Already, almost everything in a US grocery store is highly processed and packaged. Which is undoubtedly a huge contributor to that deep-blue color of the US on the map. Eating poor-value food is rough on the body.
Tearakan@reddit
We literally won't be able to farm at scale needed consistently outdoors by then. Famine will be common.
Unique-Sock3366@reddit
Soylent Green is going to be fortified with extra high fructose corn syrup?
hawklord23@reddit
Each other?
NativeFlowers4Eva@reddit
America’s just going to be a congealed ball of lard.
GIGGLES708@reddit
America will be like a 3rd world country whereas fat=rich
Unique-Sock3366@reddit
I absolutely agree that obesity is a MAJOR, worldwide problem.
That said, I also absolutely believe that it will not be for very much longer…
It’s self correcting and we’re out of time.
WackyWheelsDUI@reddit
Forgive me if I’m missing something obvious but how is it self correcting?
Unique-Sock3366@reddit
There won’t be enough food to go around because of climate change and exorbitant prices.
Starving people find it difficult to maintain their obesity levels.
faster-than-expected@reddit
The coming food scarcity will be a diet for many.
NorthRoseGold@reddit
What bothers me is the more people who are obese, the more arguments we have to hear that acshulllly it's perfectly healthy because their metabolic numbers are individually fine.
Metabolics don't paint the whole picture by any means and ignores liver stress, musculoskeletal stress, fertility issues and respiratory stress (all primary and leading to secondary things like insomnia, poor O2 etc, etc etc).
Plus good metabolics are temporary and usually because these people are relatively young.
ParisShades@reddit
Obesity is another symptom of our over consumption culture. Just like we've been brainwashed to believe we need all this stuff, we have also been brainwashed to believe we need all this food. Another issue is people eating their feelings and I think we will see an increase of that in the coming years, until the food officially runs out.
Physical_Ad5702@reddit
The Anglosphere representing MF'er!
cdulane1@reddit
I’ve studied exercise physiology my entire adult life. It was so weird when I finally pulled my head out of my own butt to realize that health is a systemic issue rooted in the values we hold to be true.
Our medical system nor our society is ready to answer the philosophical/sociological questions of why access to green space is important, why being healthy is noble for our neighbor (physical and mentally) among others.
It’s weird to try and teach preventative medicine or rehab when it is not valued.
faster-than-expected@reddit
being overweight will help when multiple bread baskets simultaneously fail.
d33pnull@reddit
bro we're starving here
BigJobsBigJobs@reddit
Dietary. Cheap processed calories in fat preserved for shelf life. In parts of Oceania, Spam.
tasty poisons
IKillZombies4Cash@reddit
It’s gonna be more like 1% in 30 years when the broken 99% have no food
ParamedicExcellent15@reddit
Don’t tell tell all the vegans and animal liberationists on this sub that it’s due to high carb diets and seed oils. FYI: it’s not your fault you need animal products to thrive and they in turn, have a greater impact on the environment because there’s >8 billion of us. It’s not your fault. None of it is.
EmFan1999@reddit
What are you on about, it’s due to UPFs and eating too much of them by design. No one is getting fat off a high carb diet if they are healthy carbs eg wholewheat and potatoes
ParamedicExcellent15@reddit
What do UPFs mainly consist of?
EmFan1999@reddit
Not food if that’s what you think. The dredges of other industrial processes
ParamedicExcellent15@reddit
Are you serious? I obviously don’t think they consist of food
DavidSwyne@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_oil_misinformation
rdwpin@reddit
This is self-correcting. Not to worry.
itsatoe@reddit
Soo... like this?
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-worldbank
StatementBot@reddit
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Monsur_Ausuhnom:
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because obesity is a widespread problem that looks to not be simply in the land of America though it might have started there possibly. Unhealthy foods have been allowed to run rampant as we can see some are well below yellow and deserved to be studied. These numbers are likely conservative especially for America.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1lrjyor/it_has_gone_global/n1b7vi7/
Violuthier@reddit
Seven years ago I was obese. I started to diet and do basic exercise and for the last four years I've have had a healthy Body Mass Index of 24. My waist went from 40" (101.6 cm) to 29" (73.6 cm). I also quit smoking.
It took much effort and commitment that many don't seem to have.
CrabNebula_@reddit
What about GLP1 agonists and the fact that they are likely going to be widely available in most of the countries with the worst obesity problems within the next 10 years?