Ram Saw over 10,000 Orders for Hemi-Powered 1500s within 24 Hours of Its Return.

In the F150 realm, I’ve seen quite a few posters claim the 5.0 is a better tow engine than the 3.5 even though factually the 3.5 is a significantly better tow engine with more torque and a much lower max torque RPM

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peakdecline@reddit

In terms of shear power the 3.5L EB is definitely stronger and feels effortless even with a decent load. The 5.0L seems to post better MPG in towing situations though, the 3.5L EB sucks down the fuel while towing. And I think it has a strong argument for the most reliable engine in the F-150. The 5.0L is also not priced at a premium, its the base engine in an F-150 now and/or otherwise priced the same as the 2.7L EB.

"Best towing engine" could be argued several ways. I don't necessarily think being the absolute most powerful alone makes an engine the undisputed winner.

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FentmaxxerActual@reddit

I was told once that turbocharged engines have to run rich when on boost to keep the exhaust temps low for the turbo. While I'm not an engine designer, that would correlate with the turbo'd trucks getting worse mileage than the NA engined versions while towing.

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borderwave2@reddit

Modern turbo cars all target a lambda of 1 throughout almost all driving scenarios. You will see almost exactly 14.7 under normal operating conditions if you log your car.

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CelebrationNo1852@reddit

This is correct.

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donnysaysvacuum@reddit

The better fuel economy when towing is probably because they are accelerating slower. I guess in the end, actual mpg is what matters, but on the other hand most people are completely incapable of actually calculating fuel economy.

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dsonger20@reddit

It’s almost certainly because a V8 can sit at lower RPMs than a 6 cylinders can because of sheer displacement and cylinder count.

For 80% of truck owners, the 3.5 is fine. If you’re towing large loads or carrying payloads that push the ratings, the V8 may make more sense.

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donnysaysvacuum@reddit

The 3.5turbo makes more power at lower rpms than the V8.....

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dsonger20@reddit

Right but at the expense of having turbos going off. Under sustained load a larger engine will 9/10 times be more fuel efficient. It simply has to work less to get more torque out.

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Ancient_Persimmon@reddit

The less cylinders but equivalent output means the engine needs to work harder.

How does that make any sense at all?

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donnysaysvacuum@reddit

No, thats just not true, a turbocharger utilises waste heat from combustion in a way that a normally aspirated engine can't. BTW a smaller engine running at proportionally higher RPMs is effectively the same size engine.

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Mygaming@reddit

Turbos aren’t 100% efficient.

You also aren’t taking into account load. Roads aren’t flat and friction exists from wind and tires.

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dsonger20@reddit

Higher RPM also means higher gas consumption. There’s a reason why the mileage is worse when towing a trailer behind. The 5.0 will see a negligible difference.

You might make more power, but the engine needs to work harder and sit at higher RPMs to make that power. If you will be towing more, it just makes sense to get the 5.0 simply because of the increased fuel economy. The ginormous fuel tanks in these things help ($64 to fill my previous civic vs $210 to fill my dads F-150 at approx the same prices)

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donnysaysvacuum@reddit

No it doesnt. A 6.0L running at 2k RPMs is exactly the same as a 3.0L running at 4k RPMs.

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peakdecline@reddit

I'm not going on most people. I'm going on multiple outlets who've done controlled tests of this and shown the same result. And similar tests have shown for instance the GM 5.3L also does well on towing fuel economy. The NA V8 engines just do better on MPG at steady state highway speeds than the smaller displacement turbocharged engines.

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donnysaysvacuum@reddit

Unless they are controlling for acceleration that doesnt dispute my point.

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peakdecline@reddit

Yes it does because acceleration is an extremely small portion. You grossly over estimate momentary acceleration events MPG impact over a 30-50 mile long fuel economy test.

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Thefrayedends@reddit

As long as you got the upgraded transmission cooler, it should be fine if you keep it in spec, the v8 needs to shift more to stay efficient.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

I couldn’t be less interested in relitigating this nearly 15 years old conversation, especially on Reddit, but for the larger audience, like anything else, there’s more to this than the spec sheet.

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Sweet-Gushin-Gilfs@reddit

It’s like the PC vs console thing. It’s not only about the specs. It’s about the experience

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MadamPardone@reddit

It's not even that. Turbos are added complexity, cost, etc.

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dokkababecallme@reddit

I feel like these people have never tried to pull something really heavy with a turbo.

I regularly tow rather large utility trailers and a moderately sized horse trailer, and a camper for work.

We have been shopping for a new work truck for about two years now, and I've borrowed or used a V6 Turbo Tundra and an EcoBoost F-150.

I'm not arguing that the specs on paper are better. I fully agree.

I'm just telling you that after driving and towing with a Turbo Tundra and Turbo F-150, that we are still in the market for a new truck.

I don't care whether it's a V8 or a V6 Turbo or a Diesel. I have no preconceived bias.

I can tell you though, that after driving all of those trucks, I am strongly considering an F-250 with a Diesel because, by far and away, it was a superior towing experience (for obvious reasons).

But the reason you keep seeing "quite a few posters" saying this, is because in the real world, it seems to be the case.

Also, the turbo motors in the Toyota, at least, have oodles of problems in all the vehicles they've put it in, why on earth would I buy a known problem, let alone the transmission issues.

The Coyote and the Hemi and GM's equivalent have been in production for years and the reliability and issues are known quantities.

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smashedsaturn@reddit

I regularly tow rather large utility trailers and a moderately sized horse trailer, and a camper for work.

You are like the ideal Ram 2500 Cummins buyer. The I6 turbo is just a dream for medium-high towing like that.

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magshell-alpha@reddit

Doesn't the F-250 Diesel also have a turbo, or is it NA?

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_Connor@reddit

Pretty much every diesel engine in every vehicle ever is turboed.

N/A diesel engines basically don't exist.

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mondaymoderate@reddit

It’s a turbo diesel.

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truthdoctor@reddit

All of the diesels are turbo too. Have you tried the ram with the HO Hurricane? Personally, I'm waiting on the Ramcharger Rex but that Silverado RST is tempting.

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orangutanDOTorg@reddit

In my experience with the 5.slow and the turbo, towing dump trailers, horse trailers, car haulers, and a 30’ offshore fishing boat, the turbos heat soak like a bitch on any incline if it is long enough. Mpg sucks when towing, like the 8. And the turbos have needed replacing way before anything major on the 8, though trash transmissions are the real thing Ford trucks are famous for.

Idk anything about the Dodge trucks as we use Fords. On a side note, the newest gen Tacomas are garbage so we’ve switched over to Rangers since we already had the Ford dealer relationship.

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N0Name117@reddit

though trash transmissions are the real thing Ford trucks are famous for.

Ford really hasn't stuck a bad transmission in their trucks in a lot of years. I wouldn't call them perfect but the major issues are fairly well known and things I'd consider minor compared to the competition. The 6 speed 6r80 and 6r140 only major issues were the lead bodies either getting replaced or software update and the torque converter shutter. While the 10 speeds main issue has been the cdf drum which was fixed a few years ago.

I'd say that's a damn sight better than the god awful 8 speed GM used for years and while the ZF8 speed RAM has been using is fairly solid to my knowledge. They still used that terrible 68RFE in the 2500's until recently.

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Metal_LinksV2@reddit

I never realized just how bad the 10 speed got in my 18 F150 was until I got my 23 F150(force to upgrade since the 18 was totaled).

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orangutanDOTorg@reddit

I haven’t used a GM truck in decades. The transmission in one of our 5.0s went out twice. The original one was bad from the factory. Had two turbo transmissions go bad. I guess that’s only like 1/2 our f series but it’s still 1/2. We should probably have more 250s and less 150s but tbh idk if they use the same transmissions.

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N0Name117@reddit

Given how many of these transmissions are out there and how long they’ve been out there, this sounds like your use case is tearing up the transmissions more than a bad inherent design. I highly doubt any half ton transmission would fare better.

The 6r80 used until 2018 is based on a ZF6 transmission which was used worldwide in all sorts of applications. It’s the predecessor to the 8 speed ZF Ram has been using for awhile now and both have a pretty damn good reputation as far as transmissions go.

The 10r80 used today is an in house ford design though it’s being shared with GM trucks. Had a few teething issues but most have been ironed out by now and the primary thing fixed in 21 or 22 was the cdf drum failures.

The HD transmissions Ford uses are just beefed up versions of the half ton 6 and 10 speeds respectively.

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orangutanDOTorg@reddit

Good to know. Our stuff is mostly pre covid, at least the stuff with enough use to be breaking down. Other than the rangers. And the tacomas. Those never tow and still just fall apart with real use.

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popsicle_of_meat@reddit

Engine specs are only part of the picture, though. What transmissions are they attached to and what do they do? Turbo engines don't magically make more power/torque, either. They still use gas, they still require a minimum fuel to air ratio to make power. Those laws of physics haven't changed or been significantly improved on in decades. And turbo engines actually are LESS efficient than NA as they require additional fuel to be injected in order to keep temperatures down.

The 3.5 may be a stronger engine overall, but it comes with a towing-power fuel economy downside. It will get slightly better mileage when not in boost, though.

And it all depends on how you define "better". There are dozens of metrics that can be used to define "better". Occasional towing city truck with good mileage? Go smaller turbo. Someone who tows a lot might not be excited about the fuel economy penalty of the turbo engine because they are needing to be in boost a lot of the time.

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maverick_fox2@reddit

The 5.0 coyote is the far superior motor in the F-150. Ask any Ford salesman, the 5.0 is highly desired over the EcoBoost

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caverunner17@reddit

They sold sooo well that they removed the 5.0 from the top trim packages. Lol

Vocal minority. Vast majority are the 2.7 or 3.5.

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maverick_fox2@reddit

Platinum and limited sales are less than 5% of all of F150s. cope harder

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747WakeTurbulance@reddit

The stress on the 3.5L EcoBoost V6 when towing is significantly more than on the 5.0. This is because in order to meet the tow ratings, the engine has to be under boost 100% of the time.

That will lead to durability and reliability issues much sooner.

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bimmervschevy@reddit

There’s a little more nuance than that. The 3.5L EcoBoost engine can tow more, but the 5.0 gets better gas mileage during high load towing. Turbocharged engines need to add fuel to all that extra air somehow.

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velociraptorfarmer@reddit

And, last I checked, for some reason Ford still can't figure out the damn cam phasers on those things

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I_amnotanonion@reddit

I don’t know what yall want, lots of companies need 20+ years to figure that stuff out

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

Ironic, you're just another poster claiming the 3.5 is better.

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caverunner17@reddit

Because it is. The only thing the 5.0 has is better sound (if you actually care) and slightly better gas mileage while towing. Otherwise the 3.5 is a better engine. Period.

Just like the Hurricane is a better engine than the HEMI. People make irrational decisions all the time.

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

Because it is.... Period.

I'm assuming this is as much logic and evidence as the 5.0 poster used?

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caverunner17@reddit

Beside the numbers, power curves etc. ya know. But hey, “sound”.

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

But hey, gas mileage, no phaser or turbo problems, low maintenance

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N0Name117@reddit

Under 100k miles and trade it in? Sure, maybe the 3.5 is better. Over 100k miles, the 5.0 is typically the more reliable choice

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VioletGardens-left@reddit

And the 3.5 these days are far sturdier that the people let on. You'll probably encounter issues with 10 speed first than the engine, as long as you maintain it on schedule

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Anonymoushipopotomus@reddit

Propaganda is an extremely powerful tool.....

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MyName_isntEarl@reddit

My 5.7 never gave me any issues and I owned it 10 years, and towed with it multiple times a week.

It never felt like I needed more power. And if it ever felt that way, I was pushing the limits of a 1/2 tonne truck.

I use my trucks as trucks. I want them quiet. When I'm out coyote hunting or scouting for deer, I want everything as quiet as possible.

Some redneck with camo browning stickers all over his truck and a loud exhaust likely isn't really much of a hunter.

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sickmemes48@reddit

It's mainly for the joy of the noise

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Higher_Math@reddit

"Rarr I'm a redneck.

I don't like EVs

I like burning $100 in gas a week.

Rahhhh"

The average one of these people.

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InternationalBox5848@reddit

The small dock memes ring true.

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Parrelium@reddit

I have a Hemi Ram, and an EV.

Buying a truck to do truck things needs a truck engine.

Buying a truck to not do truck things is 90% of buyers out there. But the only thing Ram has going for it was the Hemi. Nobody would buy a stellantis truck if it didn’t have the iconic engine.

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c74@reddit

hemi is one of those iconic car words that crosses over into mainstream. almost everyone is going to know what you mean when you say my truck has a hemi. also, kinda smart in the sense there are so many out there and it'll be easy to get serviced and get parts.

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

truck engine, in a pickup truck

Makes sense to me

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flapsmcgee@reddit

Yea, that's why you can buy the Challenger...

Not anymore...

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

Touche

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

Any chance to see 392 Charger ? Challenger nameplate just retires again because of Charger Coupe existence.

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Paladinraye@reddit

Nope. Apparently engineers say the v8 wont fit, was designed to fit the i6.

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M1ghtyl0ngf4ll@reddit

its okay it sounds like were gonna get the FINAL FINAL Challenger any day now

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Nitrothacat@reddit

You know exactly what I’m saying. The Hellcat engine in the TRX is exciting. The 5.7 isn’t an exciting engine in the Ram 1500.

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

It's a truck. Somewhere you draw a line at practical, cost-effective, reliable, and just enough for the average joe shmo to handle.

The TRX is way to much power and weight for the average person. Are you only going to be happen when every Ram has a Hellcat engine?

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Corsair4@reddit

It's more expensive and worse on gas than the base I6, and it makes less horsepower and less torque.

The only thing this maybe has going for it is reliability, and that's a big IF, because they admitted that the hemi wasn't carried over for electrical reasons, estimated it would take 1.5 years to implement properly, and then magically got it done in 6 months.

So the question really becomes: do you trust a possibly rushed engineering job by stellantis enough to take the objectively worse engine?

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gdnws@reddit

There is at least one other thing that the 5.7 does better than the hurricane; sound like a v8. To some that is an important consideration. Considering that Ford keeps the 5.0 around and the above article quotes someone from Ram mentioning that hemi orders are strong, there are likely a fair number of people who value that feature among others the engine offers.

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Corsair4@reddit

And thats fine, but judging purely on the criteria of practical (5.7 makes less power than the standard I6 and worse on gas), cost effective (5.7 is more expensive than the I6), and reliable (5.7 was implemented in a fraction of the time they estimated it would be), the 5.7 is worse.

It is objectively worse from a cost and practicality standpoint, and while the engine itself may be more reliable, the fact that they rushed to implement it raises questions about how reliable it is in this implementation.

If someone is going for the 5.7 because it's a v8, then that's entirely up to them.

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NimbleCentipod@reddit

In matters of taste, the customer is always right.

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gdnws@reddit

And I don't disagree on any of those fronts nor do I disagree that they are important factors. You could probably add on in the hurricane's favour that it is lighter as well although by less than I was expecting when I looked up the weights(560lbs vs 430). My only disagreement is that the only thing the 5.7 has going for it is possibly reliability.

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

Then get the V6 and be happy...?

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Corsair4@reddit

The point is, that the I6 is objectively better from the standpoint of practical and cost effective, and the 5.7 has reasonable questions surrounding it's reliability in this context.

If your argument is that not every engine needs to be a top of the line fire breather, I agree. But within that context, the 5.7 is in no way an improvement over what already exists in the truck.

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

The 5.7 has no reliability concerns - it's been around since 2003.

There is new electrical software and hardware that ties the engine to the truck which has potential.

Nobody asked for an improvement, they just wanted the V8 back as an option. Not sure what you're getting at?

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Corsair4@reddit

The 5.7 has no reliability concerns - it's been around since 2003.

in this context.

The context being "We said it would take 18 months to retrofit, and then did it in 6 months".

Not sure what you're getting at?

I'm getting at the fact that they potentially rushed the engineering on this specific implementation, which is the 1 thing this engine has going for it over the I6.

This is so easy to follow.

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

Okay, so they potentially rushed it...?

which is the 1 thing this engine has going for it over the I6.

Talk to the 10,000 people that pre-ordered. The market spoke.

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Corsair4@reddit

Okay, so they potentially rushed it...?

Yeah, when a company says "we did this 3 times faster than we thought we would", and the company is .... not exactly known for reliability, I think it's perfectly reasonable to raise an eyebrow.

Talk to the 10,000 people that pre-ordered. The market spoke.

I'm literally basing my argument off the criteria you chose.

You want to sit here and argue that the V8 has merit outside of those, that's fine. My entire point is off the criteria you outlined, this implementation of the hemi is inferior.

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

I actually can't figure out what you are arguing about in the first place.

Are you upset the V8 is back?

Are you upset people want the V8?

Are you upset at Dodge for personal reasons?

Are you upset at my first comment on this thread?

Do you just hate the Hemi?

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Corsair4@reddit

I actually can't figure out what you are arguing about in the first place.

Holy fuck.

You said

Somewhere you draw a line at practical, cost-effective, reliable, and just enough for the average joe shmo to handle.

I have now spent 4 comments pointing out that the Hemi is not more practical, or more cost-effective than the existing standard I6.

And I've raised reasonable arguments for why this specific implementation might have reliability issues.

All I have done is examine the hemi vs the I6 through the criteria you yourself laid out. By your own criteria, the I6 is objectively better in 2 categories, and the 3rd is a toss up.

I genuinely don't understand how you aren't following this.

Are you upset at my first comment on this thread?

At this point I'm wondering if you are even aware of what you typed in your first comment.

This has been an enlightening conversation, but I'm done. If you want to continue, just feel free to loop back around to the beginning.

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

lol nobody was talking about an I6 until you popped in.

The guy I responded to was talking about a 392 vs 5.7.

So I still don’t understand what the fuck you’re going on about the I6.

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InternationalPut4093@reddit

My friend has a TRX. The truck is a garage queen. It's just not worth the gas money after the honeymoon phase goes by. He flexed it for a few month and nobody cared.

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

I think he’s just saying that in comparison to 20 years ago the 5.7 is a fairly ordinary offering in the truck market.

So it’s interesting to see such a notable response to its rerelease when the approximately 400 horsepower truck engine is more or less an ordinary offering across the big 3.

It’s not any deeper than that.

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Nitrothacat@reddit

That’s exactly what I’m saying, just spelled out better here. If it was the SRT spec 392 being offered I’d get the excitement.

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_galaga_@reddit

If you wade into the HEMI vs Hurricane debates in the RAM world there’s a huge amount of resistance to change. Similar to Coyote vs Ecoboost when Ford introduced the turbo to the F150. Many people just want the known quantity. Add to that many people also want the V8 rumble vs the quieter Hurricane regardless of hp. I’m not surprised at this at all.

I’d be more excited if they dropped the 392 in the 1500 Rebel, tho, for sure. I’ve driven the SO Hurricane and it’s got a lot of scoot, noticeably more than the old 5.7.

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Nitrothacat@reddit

Not at all what I’m saying. People are acting like this is the return of the 392 Scat Pack. Its not. It’s the same engine the Ram has offered since 2009. I don’t get the excitement.

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Bonerchill@reddit

You're not crazy.

A lot of people are simple. My cousin-in-law couldn't afford his truck but put a lot of his self-worth in driving a truck with a V8.

I don't get it, but I also don't get WWE, monster trucks, UFC, the Dutch, Starbucks, mass consumerism, pictures of your loved ones blocking your gauges, dreamcatchers for white people, long nail appliques, Florida, monarchy, or the gist of modern societal constructs.

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thememeconnoisseurig@reddit

Florida

You're missing out if you like cars

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Bonerchill@reddit

Yes, I'm missing out on flat land, interstates, flooding, and Florida drivers. Whatever shall I do.

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thememeconnoisseurig@reddit

You're missing out on doing whatever the fuck you want lmao

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Bonerchill@reddit

Driving good roads is what I want and Florida doesn't have any of those. Gimme several miles of elevation change over an afternoon of driving, please and thank you.

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thememeconnoisseurig@reddit

Suppose. Eastern Tennessee may be calling your name in that case

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

The excitement is that the V8 is back. There was nothing wrong with it to begin with, there doesn't have to be any changes. The market said they want a V8, Dodge listened, the market is happy.

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ManufacturerBest2758@reddit

Do you think people buy full-size pickups because they have exciting engines and are fun to drive? Do you think they’re cross-shopped with Supras or something?

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Nitrothacat@reddit

The response to this engine being rereleased makes me think so. But no, hence my confusion for the excitement.

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golden_glorious_ass@reddit

You know. Most people buy a truck to do truck things.

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Certified_Dumbass@reddit

I thought I was on r/carscirclejerk for a sec

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

No this is r/carwars

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knight_prince_ace@reddit

r/subsithoughtifellfor

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TalbotFarwell@reddit

For a while, before the Charger and Challenger, the pickup trucks were the closest thing we had to muscle cars. Especially the single-cab short-bed 2WD V8 models with 4.10+ rear end ratios.

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iamnotcreativeDET@reddit

not anymore my friend, not anymore.

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

For but a moment, we know they'll be back to tear up your local street takeover and run over some low-boy underwear

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

Hence the wonderment about the fascination.

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peakdecline@reddit

It has 395HP. That's solid. A Coyote is 400HP. A GM 5.3L is 355HP and a 6.2L is 420HP. 395HP is right in line.

But people like it for a simple reason... it sounds good. IMO probably the best sounding of the V8s left in the trucks. No, its not quick. The Hurricane in standard output is quite a bit quicker and HO is much, much quicker. But the Hemi sounds good.

You don't need to drive aggressively or quickly to enjoy the sound. Though as far as trucks I'd say the Ram 1500 is still the best riding.

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shark_and_kaya@reddit

Sounds are subjective but I think Cayote is up there for the best sounding engine.

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blackhawk867@reddit

I love the coyote the most of all the American V8s too

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meatdome34@reddit

Coyote absolutely screams at the top end, I daily a mustang and can’t get enough of it

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blainestang@reddit

There’s something different about the Coyote in the truck that makes it sound very “old truck” or mechanical or something. The F-150 I drove today sounded really mediocre and it was slow on top of that. It’s a nostalgia play, for sure, because it’s not actually good. The Coyote-powered ‘01 Bullitt we had or the other Mustangs I’ve heard sound much better.

This truck was a huge letdown.

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meatdome34@reddit

I do believe the truck V8 has a different firing order and intake manifold. Either way if I got an F150 I’d probs go for the V8 only cause I know they’re rock solid and I don’t have to deal with turbos. And I could whipple it and have a 700hp truck.

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blainestang@reddit

Makes sense. The Supercharged version for offers FP700 or something like that, does look like it would be a riot, especially in a RCSB. Maybe TOO much of a riot.

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meatdome34@reddit

RCSB is the goal, sleeper truck for a daily. I work construction and go to job sites 2-3 times a week. Getting tired of my car being covered in dust lol

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blackhawk867@reddit

I had a 19 GT convertible with active exhaust, the way that thing rumbled (both feeling and sound) at any RPM, always brought a smile to my face.

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burger_saga@reddit

Also people want v8s to do truck things with without blowing out a turbo charger.

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MrHugh_Janus@reddit

Though as far as trucks I'd say the Ram 1500 is still the best riding.

Do you think Ram's suspension is better than Chevy's MagneRide? I rode in a Tahoe that had it, it was pretty remarkable for a huge body on frame land boat. I think Chevy also offers it on some fancy Silverado trims.

I haven't been in a Ram truck in a long time, but in my book the crown of the best riding truck belongs to the Raptor but that's a specialty truck.

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kcgotthelife@reddit

I test drove all the big name trucks when I was shopping in 2020 and the Ram was by far the most comfortable ride.

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breakfastsausage6@reddit

I did the same thing in 2021, as a bonus the RAM dealer was dying to sell it to me and wasn't playing the over MSRP bullshit, I even got a 0% APR loan too lol

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747WakeTurbulance@reddit

You aren't getting Magneride on the base pickup truck.

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MeinKampfySeat@reddit

The new Tahoe is IRS though, so that’s not really a fair comparison. Of all the “regular” trucks I’ve driven, I think the 1/2 ton Ram does ride the nicest. The Raptor probably is better, but for what it costs it better be, and it can’t tow as much.

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RelevantJackWhite@reddit

how is it an unfair comparison when they are literally direct competitors? like yeah, if one has IRS it will be a better experience for 95% of people buying 1500s

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MrHugh_Janus@reddit

Ah, totally forgot that the new Tahoe got rid of the solid axle, that explains it.

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peakdecline@reddit

I do believe the Sierra 1500 Denali Ultimate I got some time in had the MagneRide setup. Don't get me wrong... its very good. But I still say I'd put the Ram 1500 with the air suspension equipped above it.

Then there's the whole TRX/RHO and Raptor options against the more standard trucks.

I haven't driven every possible combo. But I live in truck country and basically every family I know has one. And I spent 3 months driving nearly everything last year before purchasing my Power Wagon.

And my rough rankings half-tons are...

Ram 1500 > Silverado 1500/Sierra 1500 \~ F-150 >>> Tundra (yes, the new for 2022 Tundra).

Any of the Big 3 are totally fine to me in basically any configuration. The Ram 1500 just seems to have a rear end composure that the only thing I'd say matches it are the Raptors (which are also coil spring rears with the fancy shocks). I still can't get over how dogshit the new Tundra rides for a half-ton with a coil spring rear in basically anything but the TRD Pro version and its not particularly good in that version either.

My favorite riding truck period? Your's. The Ranger Raptor.

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DaBombDiggidy@reddit

Suspension is subjective in a truck.

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AngryAlternateAcount@reddit

All my homies hate the sound of hemi's The most flatulent of the v8's

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daandriod@reddit

Its both the sounds and the feel for the 5.7. You feel that shit in your chest.

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JovianPrime1945@reddit

Are you in the wrong thread? This is about the Hemi coming back for pickups...

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viperguy212@reddit

I have one, it’s great. Low end isn’t really there but give it a second and the thing hauls ass. It also does sound pretty good. I’ve been asked numerous times if the truck has an aftermarket exhaust (it doesn’t).

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doch92@reddit

10,000 seems like a lot for this economy

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2Stroke728@reddit

It’s a low output, low revving truck engine

Compared to an early 90's GM 5.7 TBI it's an amazingly high output and high reving engine. My 350 makes 190 hp and redlines at 4500 rpm.

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breakfastsausage6@reddit

its a great reliable engine and sounds nice

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KingHauler@reddit

Because v8's are fun.

It's like wondering why people dump money into terrible platforms.

It's just more fun. I don't care about raw power, I like v8 noise and rumble.

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FrankReynoldsCPA@reddit

not everybody likes an engine that makes all of its torque above 5,000 rpm.

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natesully33@reddit

Reading the article, I just realized you pay extra for the V8 with less power/torque than the standard Hurricane. So people must REALLY want them!

Gotta remember most buyers don't care about having a loud, high-revving engine (just the ones that drive around my town at 2AM haha). My guess is that it's part identity/image stuff, including the not-too-loud v8 noises, and part FUD around the newer Hurricane engine - maybe warranted, it is new and more complex and has more failure modes. If you don't care about efficiency and emissions, or more power, it does make sense to get a pushrod V8 in your truck.

I'm more interested in the Ramcharger, if they don't screw it up it might actually be the best powertrain for a full size truck, at least for people that can't just swing a V0 truck like I do.

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DetroitLionsEh@reddit

They’re not fun to drive

I disagree with that

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BBQasaurus@reddit

Yeah, I had the 5.7 Hemi in my 2018 Grand Cherokee with some very nice Corsa exhaust. It sounded beautiful and hauled ass.

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NotoriousCFR@reddit

that isn’t even loud

I mean, maybe not from the factory, but the average HEMI Ram owner remedies that problem like 5 minutes after buying the truck

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pawpawpersimony@reddit

Dirka dirka dirka…hemi

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Super_Baime@reddit

HEMI.

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SirLoremIpsum@reddit

don’t understand the obsession with the 5.7 Hemi. It’s a low output, low revving truck engine, that isn’t even loud, and it’s in a pickup truck.

Yeah but it's a naturally aspirated V8.

Which everyone tells me is infinitely superior on that alone to every turbo (unreliable) and four cylinder (gutless) ever made

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DSessom@reddit

Just FYI, how high an engine can rev or not has no bearing on it's output level. Bigger displacement can do the same work at lower RPM as a smaller displacement engine at higher RPM.

The 5.7 Hemi was a mainstay in the RAM trucks for so long, people have gotten accustomed to them. However, the 3.0L Hurricane HO does produce WAY more power and it has almost no turbo lag. I would personally choose the Hurricane over a 5.7 Hemi any day.

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wearymicrobe@reddit

Because in the pickups they are dead reliable, they are easier to maintain in a fleet and they are a solved problem when it comes to understanding the lifecycle for fleet and individual owners who want a truck.

My xl 5.0 F150 has almost zero anything in it and it is built for what I need it to do. Just keeps trucking as it were.

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__nullptr_t@reddit

I like v8s that aren't strung out. My favorite engine of all time is still the LS3 V8.

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Macthebest0@reddit

Hemi forever.

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PositivePop11@reddit

Mopar does know how to make some cool logos for their special models

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Murky_Milk7255@reddit

The Hemi Ticks all the boxes for a lot of people.

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DetroitLionsEh@reddit

Yeah, I always wished you could get it in something smaller

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uwuwotsdps42069@reddit

If they announced an hemi Dakota with le manuelle and I’d be in the dealership the next day.

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Sweet-Gushin-Gilfs@reddit

If they put a hemi in a Le manuelle brown used mists I’d be at the dealership complaining about the price the next day

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cafebrad@reddit

Could it also be a brown 6 spd wagon?

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Lost_Result5686@reddit

Especially if it was diesel and came new with 135,000 miles to make it affordable

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Toasted_Potooooooo@reddit

Thank you

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Carl-99999@reddit

It's not possible. Search up and read through CAFE regulations. They already have to detune it and use mufflers and a catalytic convert to get it in a 1500 and they still get fined.

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ThePevster@reddit

Yeah because Stellantis is going to develop a new manual transmission to sell like ten of them

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DriverDenali@reddit

I wish they’d put the hurricane in a Dakota package and give us a 2nd gen gladiator with that option.

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goaelephant@reddit

You dont need a new transmission every time. The current BMW (ZF S6-53) manual gearbox in the new M2/M3/M4 has existed since like 2007...

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RedpilotG5@reddit

They already have a 6 spd for the 5.7 & 6.4

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Pitiful-Mobile-3144@reddit

You can get it in the Wrangler if you’re dumb enough to drop 6 figures for a Jeep

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Sweet_Baby_Cheesus@reddit

Wild, I got it in my Grand Cherokee Trailhawk for $50k

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Pitiful-Mobile-3144@reddit

Those are sweet!

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Sweet_Baby_Cheesus@reddit

Oh I love mine. I've done absolutely no aftermarket upgrades on mine and put it through some harrowing trails that made me think that I was an idiot for taking my daily driver on them.

Then I can take it on the highway and blast past people with my Hemi

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Pitiful-Mobile-3144@reddit

I’ve seen a couple and they’re absolutely sick, running 35’s with the bronze accents and the v8 roaring has gotta be amazing

Unfortunately I can’t swing the cash so I’ll forever be salty about the price :/

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mt6606@reddit

Six figures for a yank tank? Laughs in Australian they'd have to open a local factory here to keep up with demand

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Not_RAMBO_Its_RAMO@reddit

I've never heard yank tank 🤣🤣

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CaptainGo@reddit

Most trucks on the road have an empty bed.

Let's get rid of it entirely and make a Ram smart car thing

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goaelephant@reddit

Or just... shrink the truck

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J_NonServiam@reddit

Hemi neon LETS GO

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moparornocar@reddit

Bring back the Magnum and make a Hellcat version.

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DetroitLionsEh@reddit

Now we’re talking

I’d take an avenger even

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pwnrzero@reddit

Hemi Miata pls.

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NightFuryToni@reddit

You mean a 124 Spider...

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inconvention@reddit

Hemiata

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N0Name117@reddit

TBH, I'm honestly a little confused as to how. Sure it's a v8 engine but I'd argue the other two makers already have better option for v8 engines in half ton trucks. IMO, the Ram with a Hemi was always kinda a consolation prize in the truck market

I can understand the cult like appeal around the Cummins in a Ram HD a little better especially with the issues Ford and GM have had with turbo diesel V8's. But the Hemi half tons were never all that special.

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nerdcorerising@reddit

Strong disagree that the other trucks have better V8 options

The GM 5.3 is underpowered and the 6.2 is plagued with issues. Ford only offers the 5.0 as an afterthought. Unless you’re ordering one and selecting the 5.0 it’s hard to find many. They definitely exist but almost all recent f150s are 2.7 or 3.5 eco boost.

The hemi has the issue with camshaft damage but it’s easy to avoid. Just change the oil with synthetic at 5,000 miles. And don’t let it idle for long periods or have a tuner set the idle higher

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N0Name117@reddit

The 5.3 is fine for a truck engine and if you honestly care about power and performance, the turbo 6 engines are the way to go regardless.

Also there’s a certain irony in you listing all the issues with the GM engines or complaining about having to find a 5.0 then dedicating the entire second paragraph to listing aftermarket solutions and excessive maintenance as a way to avoid the Hemi camshaft problem. If you’re going there you could just as easily talk about the heavier oil in the GM6.2 or tuning out AFM in the 5.3. Or just taking a second longer to shop and buying a Ford 5.0 since they aren’t nearly as difficult to find as you suggest.

From an engineering perspective, the reality remains that the Hemi is still the worst v8. It’s an outdated design made by a company with a poor reputation for reliability and quality control and only kept around because Chrysler refused to innovate.

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nomptonite@reddit

I get that reference. The tick honestly kinda drives me crazy

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--_-__@reddit

Coyotes tick so much too. Apparently there’s nothing wrong with it though.

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MadamPardone@reddit

Yea but at least those are direct injection. I think the new Ram will be too so it will likely be noisy for it's own reasons.

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Paladinraye@reddit

>Sighs in total engine replacement

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1nconspicious@reddit

I believe they are planning to get rid of mds once legislation passes.

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orangutanDOTorg@reddit

Cam we just skip all the silly puns? They are mostly wiping out anyways.

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8rings_86k@reddit

Why skip the puns? They lifter my spirits!

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Shmokesshweed@reddit

🤣

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy that people can get what they want, surely, although I do wonder if those 10k are dealer orders or how many are.

But as even the most brainrotted V8 cultist that symbol of protest badge is cringe. Not even the badge itself, just the name of it.

And that HO hurricane is a spicy fucking meatball.

I’m not a ram guy but if I was that would be the way I go.

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woodsides@reddit

Not even the badge itself, just the name of it.

It's perfect for the demographic they're targetting though. Gotta give them that.

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melkor73@reddit

The common clay of the new west? You know, morons?

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Doctah_Whoopass@reddit

They're in for whatever makes them a buck

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JudiciousSasquatch@reddit

Vast majority are dealers ordering.

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StolenLampy@reddit

I'd wager it's 99% dealer orders and 1% customer orders.

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JBoy9028@reddit

One would think Ram owners would be the most open to an I6 considering their devotion to the Cummins diesel.

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goaelephant@reddit

Part of the Cummins appeal is the fact that its a diesel, the L6 engine is just an added benefit for smoothness and torque.

Cummins is developing a gas motor L6 for heavy duty use, incidentally

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SeaManaenamah@reddit

I imagine the half ton gang is a different group of people than the Cummins bros.

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smashedsaturn@reddit

~~What can 1500 owners not get DUIs as well as 2500 owners or something~~

I know people that went from the cummins to the huricane, primarily for the smoother ride in the half ton (both kept the 3/4 ton). They don't miss the Hemi. I'll admit though that V8s are special.

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truthdoctor@reddit

Bold of you to assume Ram Cummins buyers know how many cylinders their 6.7 engine actually has...

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Longshot726@reddit

Different groups pretty much entirely. The half ton is the new minivan, so most people are getting one as a lifestyle object. You see that on the Cummins side, but there are also a lot more of individuals in professions needing a diesel or enthusiasts.

A lot of people, myself included, also only have a Ram because its the only way to get a Cummins in a light duty truck. I wanted something easy to work on that can tow 15k reliably, so I am stuck with a Ram.

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thememeconnoisseurig@reddit

Cummins diesel ram drivers and inline 6 buyers have less in common that you'd think

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Mojave_Idiot@reddit

I agree but that cult involves the C badge more than the specific engine configuration.

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abattlescar@reddit

symbol of protest badge

That is so fucking cringe. But hey, it's a RAM. They finally figured out how to sell a Punisher sticker from factory without paying Disney.

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gdnws@reddit

I'm not sure where I am on the v8 brainrot cult scale(I rarely consider owning anything that does not include one) but I agree about the badge. It fits with the style they have used for badges in general and is a nice enough badge but they probably should have kept the story about it to themselves.

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Carl-99999@reddit

It's an old engine that loves to suck and tick

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DifferentAnimator793@reddit

Put a V10 in a 1500 single cab again

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truthdoctor@reddit

Make Ram Viper Again...

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Sound_Indifference@reddit

Bring back the R/T10 and let Darwin do his thing

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StolenLampy@reddit

SRT 10, I liked when they had the SRT range

SRT4, SRT6, SRT 8, and SRT 10, thems were the good days!

Most people never heard about the SRT 6 but for the 5 people that had those Crossfires, it was a good time!

Gimme a new SRT4 neon you cowards!

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Mysterious-Lick@reddit

But it produces less power than the Hurricane engines, go figure.

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chameleon_olive@reddit

Why do we keep pretending power is the only thing that matters?

By that metric the Miata would be a shit car, but everyone loves it. Liking 6 vs 8 cylinders or rumble vs turbo whistle is completely arbitrary and subjective, and that's okay.

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Mysterious-Lick@reddit

It’s the perception of value for money. A higher output vehicle often costs more.

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zeno0771@reddit

the 5.7-liter V-8 is being offered as a $1200 option on Ram 1500s. It produces 395 horsepower and 410 pound-feet of torque, figures below even the standard output Hurricane inline-six

So, we're not talking about people accustomed to doing basic math, then?

...every V-8-equipped Ram 1500 comes with a “Symbol of Protest” badge on the fenders, and the previously offered GT Sports exhaust as standard equipment, thus guaranteeing it will at least sound more distinctive than the straight-six truck

...and announce to the world that its owner won't pose a threat to job security for anyone at NASA.

Don't get me wrong, this whole thing sounds ridiculous but Ram doesn't care if the money comes from the customer or a lender intermediary; if there's a demand and you can profitably exploit it, why walk away from a fool and his money?

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Craniummon@reddit

Uh... If people don't want the hurricanes... Maybe... Maybe... They can tune it and put in an awd sport car and call it Dodge Stealth?

Idk if would sell nowadays, but would be interesting.

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Vhozite@reddit

I’ve always been of the opinion the new Charger should’ve been called the Stealth. Stealth is a good name for a silent EV and the gas version is a turbo 6 cylinder like the old stealth was.

Instead we got the Charger that lost its defining powertrain and last I checked the Stealth is coming back as an SUV lol

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Craniummon@reddit

I don't know why they'd throw away the Durango name to Stealth. If I recall correctly, that SUV Stealth is an 7-seat. Durango still an strong name and as far I know the Hellcat trim is selling well.

Hurricane engine seems pretty good, but many brands doesn't understand what identity means. And they got right once with Viper. I do think people would be excited for an "Japanese-Like" American sport car that could succeed in other markets.

Overall, Stellantis is a mess. An in-line-6 twin turbo in a sedan could be perfect to Giulia Quadrifoglio. VW throw their Porsche V8 and V6 everywhere and it sells okay around all brands on luxury trim. But well, I'm not that aware of Stellantis' problems. It seems that it come from people that doesn't understand about cars and sharing parts.

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jamesgilboy@reddit

Am I the only one not impressed? 10,000 orders doesn't seem to indicate an enormous amount of pent-up demand, let alone demand that'll be sustained

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Alone_Peace371@reddit

Depends how it compares to other models being preordered in their first 24 hours. Then factor in how aware people even are about this option returning. It’s not like it’s something everyone is watching like the release of the cyber truck

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abattlescar@reddit

10,000 orders for a V8 half-ton truck, more at 11.

"In 2024, the Ford F-150 saw a 5% decline in sales, with 460,915 units sold"

Blip on the fucking radar.

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Signal_Ball4634@reddit

The capitalization made me think there was a new truck called the "Ram Saw" and I just kinda accepted it for a second.

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goaelephant@reddit

With its Hemi V8, it'll CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC like no other!

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pursuer_of_simurg@reddit

Seeing the Stellantis news with the Xiaomi news back to back is interesting to see about the trajectories of two world powers.

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abattlescar@reddit

I would hardly call Stellantis representative of the trajectory of a world power.

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goaelephant@reddit

Only in the 1940s/50s with the Power Wagon (which wasnt Stellantis)

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pawpawpersimony@reddit

So many DUI’s…

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goaelephant@reddit

Nah, not 2500 models

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Sweet-Gushin-Gilfs@reddit

The people have spoken. More V8s, less everything else

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goaelephant@reddit

is it a straight V8 or the eTorq bullshit?

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LostImpression12@reddit

Makes sense, hopefully they will put the hemi back in the Dodge Challenger.

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MannyCoon@reddit

The Challenger is no longer being built.

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LostImpression12@reddit

An electric version is confirmed by Stellantis, it will likely be based off of the current electric Challenger

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

I don't see any reason to see Challenger back after Charger coupe is there.

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jokerzwild00@reddit

Money. They sold a shitload of Challengers and I'm sure they miss that revenue. Use that same tired old platform, update the interior a bit (throw an iPad on the dash) and you've got a guaranteed seller. Something Stellantis needs right now.

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Sweet-Gushin-Gilfs@reddit

So it’ll be shit and no one will buy it. Got it.

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LostImpression12@reddit

Well if they put the hemi in it it would stand a chance. I haven't really seen anyone clown the new Charger for being ugly, just for being electric.

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jokerzwild00@reddit

Go to /r/Dodge and you'll get your fill of people clowning it's looks. They hate it, inside and out, completely and fully, every aspect. Especially the fake exhaust noises lol.

Personally like the way it looks. Mainly the 4 door version. 2 door looks a little off for some reason. The actual owners who post on that sub seem to live their cars, and then proceed to get clowned right out of there. It's stupid. I really want to see what the 6 pack version does in real world application with that car. Could be awesome, if it's not plagued with problems.

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bigev007@reddit

There's a rumour they're bringing it or something like it back as a "classic". I'm not vouching for the rumour though

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jrileyy229@reddit

So in a MONTH... 10k orders... That is nothing for a truck that sells several hundred thousand a year. They also had announced a ten year warranty.... This is just a normal number of people ordering trucks... They likely would have ordered even without the hemi.

This is phrased as if the hemi return sparked major spending spree... It did not... This is peanuts

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abattlescar@reddit

This is in a category of trucks that sells near a million per year in America. 998934 to be exact. Fucking peanuts.

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Wirerat@reddit

More options are better for the Consumer. Ford and GM both offer NA V8's and twin turbo engines.

Ram also adding 10yr 100k power train to all the 2026 trucks.

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AromaticWhiskey@reddit

Ford and GM both offer NA V8's and twin turbo engines.

Dunno about buying a GM NA V8 at the moment considering the clusterfuck that is still ongoing with the L84 5.3 and the L87 6.2...

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Hedhunta@reddit

There's a lot of things that if you put a V8 back into people would buy the shit out of. Emission and mpg standards have wrecked entire segments of vehicles that would otherwise get one. Would love to own a modern version of a V8 wagon, but that will never exist again.

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Terryknowsbest@reddit

A ram starts at $42,370 - $89,170

A challenger starts at $32,699 - \~$70,000

An F-150 starts at $37,450 - $112,725

A Mustang starts at $31,920 - $65,975

The trucks are more expensive

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