GeForce RTX 5050 falls behind Arc B580 and RTX 4060 in first review - VideoCardz.com
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dkizzy@reddit
When you gimp the memory bus of course it is not as good
Wonderful-Lack3846@reddit
Same price as B580 with lower performance, 4GB less vram and 128 bit bus.
A round of applause for Nvidia
violet_sakura@reddit
Unfortunately it will still sell like hotcakes in pre-builts to people who don't know much about computers.
kikimaru024@reddit
TBF a pre-built you're just looking at:
mrSilkie@reddit
I think a big thing about prebuilts are the aesthetics. Does it look good? is the cables managed? Is the RGB controllable?
Slapping a PC together is easy but building something that looks beautiful through the side panel is not as easy.
uncl3s4m@reddit
Nah most people who buy prebuilts just want a good working PC with minimum effort
Quannix@reddit
or even people who have a baseline knowledge, but think "dlss and framegen" will make this abomination better than its competition
Vb_33@reddit
The 4060 is 2% and DLSS did plenty of work for the even slower 3060. DLSS is going to be great for this card. Frame gen will be good in games this card can run at good base framerates.
DeliciousIncident@reddit
Why would someone intentionally put a bad GPU into a pre-build? Doesn't sounds like a sound business model. Especially with them being the same price, so you don't even get extra money from the % commission or anything of that sort.
Homerlncognito@reddit
Seems like this isn't the main issue with this performance. 4060 has lowest memory bandwidth out of all 3, yet it's the fastest card.
BasedDaemonTargaryen@reddit
Performance is fine I'm sure it'll perform just as good as the 3060 maybe slightly if you lower the power to 75W, call it a 5030 and sell it for $150. But these are different times and Nvidia doesn't do reasonable things like that anymore.
pmth@reddit
Hate to be that guy but to call this a 30-class card is insane. The 1030 was 25% the performance of the 1060, and the 1630 was around 45% the performance of the 1660. This card is 80% the performance of a 5060, which should probably be called the 5050.
To take it a step further, the GT 1030 was 13% of the 1080ti, the 5050 is 20% of the 5090. The 1050 was 25% of the 1080ti, so it would be reasonable to call this a 5040 or I could even be satisfied with 5040ti.
BasedDaemonTargaryen@reddit
It's not about the performance vs XX60. It's about the CUDA core count vs flagship and bandwitch vs biggest die in the lineup. You can find those numbers on Gamer's nexus latest shrinkflation video on this topic. Considering those things, the 5060 is essentially a 5050 and the 5050 is a 5030.
The GT 730 had 13.3% as many cores as the full GK110 die, with a 50W TDP.
The GT 1030 had around 10.3% as many cores as the full GP102 die, with a 30W TDP though this one was impressive.
The GXT 1630 had around 11% as many cores as full TU102 die, with exactly 75W TDP.
The RTX 5050 has 10.7% as many cores as the full GB202 die (RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell), and around 11.7% vs the 5090 (which is the number you'll se on Gamer's Nexus video, he rounds it up to 12%, I think that was a mistake on his part? I'm not gonna try and correct him though), but it has a TDP of 130W somehow, just 15W less than the 5060, that's absurd.
Hence why I'm saying it SHOULD be a sub 75W TDP card, and priced way below that. My theory is that it was OC'ed past its efficiency curve to make it at least moderately better than the 3060 and still be able to call it a XX50 card.
Alive_Worth_2032@reddit
That is a absolute dog shit terminology to use.
The 1080 Ti was 471 mm², 5090 is 750 mm².
These two products, are not the same tier.
Cheap-Plane2796@reddit
They re not the same price tier either bro... They could have called the 5090 a 5095ti if that makes you happier.
The guy you quoted is right.
Also comparing the performance diff between the 1030 vs 1060 because guess what the 5060 should have been the 5050 looking at die size and memory bus.
Not sure why people keep defending these naming schemes, do you think the engineers use them internally lol? Its bullshit that marketing comes up with
BasedDaemonTargaryen@reddit
Exactly they're not the same tier, that's why I compared the 1030 to the Titan Pascal and the 5050 to the RTX 6000 Blackwell. 👍 Doesn't matter if die sizes get bigger, that's up to Nvidia. Just because the halo product got bigger doesn't mean they can get away with moving their product stack (below the XX90) one tier up in prices.
I guess it is a dog shit methodology to use, only Gamer's Nexus uses it and I'm sure #1 Nvidia apologist u/Alive_Worth_2032 knows more than him.
It's a shit methodology to use if you love conformism and shrinkflation in GPUs, I agree. And it's a shit methodology to use if you're an Nvidia executive.
If you can't see that Nvidia is putting all the effort into binning high end chips for AI cause it's 90% of their income, then I don't know what to tell you. Obviously it's a good move for them, and it works, but there's 0 reason for a gaming customer to defend them for it. We used to get much more out of their chips in the gaming cards for more reasonable prices, why's it wrong to want that?
You can't just draw a conclusion based on relative performance between 2 underpowered products, you compare them to the "best" Nvidia COULD give us (which is the full top die for each generation) and go down from there.
Alive_Worth_2032@reddit
You can chose one methodology.
You can decide on comparing what you get at a certain price point.
Or you can ignore price and look only at arbitrary model numbers.
You cannot do both at the same time.
Personally I prefer to look at die area. The 5050 today is roughly comparable to the 1050 Ti, comparing it to the top cards that are not comparable is irrelevant.
Pascal did not have a analogue for the 5090, period.
That changes nothing. The Pascal Titan are using the same die as the 1080 Ti. The whole tier of die that is used in today's consumer top SKUs and for the RTX 6000 Blackwell, DID NOT EXIST back then.
What are you even trying to say?
BasedDaemonTargaryen@reddit
You’re still missing the point by focusing purely on die area and pretending model numbers are arbitrary. Model numbers mean something, nvidia knows that so that’s why they kept them consistent for so long (unlike AMD that's hella inconsistent). Because they rely on the perception of tier consistency from generation to generation, even if they’ve worsened the specs behind the scenes.
You say you “prefer to look at die area,” but that’s irrelevant unless you’re building the chips yourself. Customers don’t game on silicon real estate they game on actual performance and hardware capabilities. And the cuda core count + bandwidth vs top-die approach directly shows how much nvidia is offering relative to what they could offer if they weren't prioritizing AI margins.
So yes I stand by my comparison of the core count vs flagship, I think it's fair to judge Nvidia based on that.
That’s just semantics. Every generation has had a full-fat top die, whether branded as “Titan,” “RTX 6000,” or whatever. Comparing lower-tier cards to the top die is how you reveal how much of the architecture's potential is being offered to gamers.
And yes, 3090 and 3090 Ti still preserved proportionally higher specs vs top-tier dies. What changed now is not just die sizes, it’s NVIDIA reserving most of the silicon for AI and throwing scraps to gaming.
Sure, and I chose one: compare the lowest-tier GPU to the top die, which accurately shows how NVIDIA has been shrinkflating consumer value over time. You're welcome to look at BOM and TDP too the 5050 still loses. It should be sub 75W and priced accordingly.
I think it's okay to call it an XX40 series card even if we keep the TDP at 75W but the XX30 series would need to disappear. What I don't agree with is using the die area excuse to justify shrinkflation just because the 5090 is such a halo product.
Alive_Worth_2032@reddit
Do you even listen to your own madness?
You realize what you are saying. Is that the lower end 5000 series would be "better". If Nvidia removed the 5090 entirely And renamed the 5080 the 5080 Ti and made the 5070 Ti into the new 5080.
Suddenly, you would praise the lower end cards for being "better".
Jesus christ the mental gymnastiks you people go trough.
The hardware Nvidia gives you for your money, is all that matters. How large the top die is and what core configuration is has. Is irrelevant for the value for cards further down the stack.
BasedDaemonTargaryen@reddit
On the contrary, it's moving the product stack one tier down. Which is basically what the Gamer's Nexus video suggests, and every comment that is against Nvidia on this. The 5080 should be a 5070ti, the 5070ti a 5070, the 5070 a 5060ti the 5060ti a 5060, the 5060 a 5050 and the 5050 a 5030 (or 40 if you will). The gap between the 5070ti and the 5090 should've had a 5080ti there with around 70-80% the cuda core count vs the flagship, as we've always had, except in the 40 series, it should've also had 24GB of VRAM at least, but that's another topic which at least they're amending with the supers coming next year. This time the XX80 card has 50% of the flagship's cores, it's outrageous. Sure a 350W TDP 5070ti seems kinda weird, but if you're already selling the 5090 with a 600W TDP I don't see why selling a proper 5080 with like 450W TDP would be weird.
Kryohi@reddit
That would be an interesting card
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Where I live non of the main sellers stock the B580, a round of applause for Intel.
Sukuna_DeathWasShit@reddit
Doesn't it just need a 7600?
flushfire@reddit
For a brand-new truly budget build, AM5 is still restrictive pricewise to people eyeing GPUs of this level. The 3050 and 6600 were well-known inclusions in $500-600 builds, building with a 7500F is going to cost $280-300 just for the cpu, mb and ram alone. AM4 or LGA1700 otoh can be as low as $180-200.
Asgard033@reddit
Depends on the game
The 7600 can see some serious performance deficits in some games like Spider Man
https://youtu.be/00GmwHIJuJY&t=521
and Hogwarts' minimum FPS is affected
https://youtu.be/00GmwHIJuJY&t=468
Ethrealin@reddit
A 2-year old CPU ushering a new platform at the time of B580's launch. Far from a budget user's upgrade timeline-wise.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
No people buying these will be on 3600's. AM5 is an expensive platform if you are on a 7600 with a budget GPU you are a dumbass.
kingwhocares@reddit
Intel apparently hasn't shipped any GPUs last quarter. The shortage is already been seen as prices of b580 are going up.
Method__Man@reddit
Not in Canada. Prices are exactly as launch. Could be your countries problem
Dangerman1337@reddit
I mean tariffs in the US are a thing...
Method__Man@reddit
Yep. That's a problem for that country. Countries with normal leadership have much more viable options
steve09089@reddit
Eh, they recently shipped a new batch at MSRP to Newegg.
Don’t know what’s going on with the partner cards. Probably the typical shenanigans
Capable-Silver-7436@reddit
even on lower end cpu? Holy crap nvidia wtf
ActuallyTiberSeptim@reddit
I just looked at PCPartPicker and the cheapest B580 on there, in the US, is $299. If you can get the 5050 at MSRP it would have a decent price advantage.
reps_up@reddit
Yes it is, it just gets sold out as soon as it's restocked - https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/intel/arcb580/
LukeNukeEm243@reddit
cool, it's in stock now
kikimaru024@reddit
In Germany you can find Arc B580 for €269-283 low-end, and B570 for €218-235.
kimi_rules@reddit
Went on Shopee and the lowest I could find is $280, which is not bad considering there's usually taxes which increases prices of GPUs by 10-20% from USD MSRP.
slicingblade@reddit
It was in stock at newegg monday for 3+ hours at $249.99, I picked one up after seeing a post that was 3 hours old on /r/buildapcsales
I've stopped into microcenter a couple of times and they said they get them, but I just haven't been lucky enough to be there when they were restocked.
Method__Man@reddit
Her in Canada they are $360 CAD. Cheap cheap. And ways to find. Might be a issue in your country perhaps
lannart123@reddit
They're really pushing what they can get away with these days. Less VRAM and narrower bus but want the same money... bold strategy.
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
You forgot about the smaller dies.
RealOxygen@reddit
Their brand name is so strong that despite being worse in basically every way, including having poor drivers which was one of their major selling points in the past, they will still sell super well
BasedDaemonTargaryen@reddit
It's not so much the brand name but their near monopoly in the prebuilt market. There will be 1 prebuilt with a 9060XT 8 or 16GB for every 20 prebuilts with a 5050/5060.
blazze@reddit
Humiliation for the RTX 5050 is well deserved. It's good this gets curb stomped by the Intel B580. More market share for Intel because AMD also introduced a useless 8 GB card.
flushfire@reddit
Funnily enough the 9060 XT is the best brand-new alternative at $300 and below, hands-down, and that includes the B580. It's x16 interface means it's less restricted by the vram compared to the 5060/Ti 8gb. The B580 still has overhead issues, VR issues, game issues and is rarely available at MSRP.
But people trash it anyway and praise the B580 without actually looking at its performance. In the benchmark linked by the OP alone it loses to the 4060 lol
blazze@reddit
The 12 GB of RAM in the B580 will age more gracefully for a truly low end gamers. On purpose of 8 gb is retro gaming.
blazze@reddit
an 8 GB card is obsolete at day one for modern games.
PirateRemarkable6140@reddit
What if you’re playing at 720p?
VYDEOS@reddit
I mean not really. The b580 is low end enough to the point where it'll become obsolete in performance long before it runs out of VRAM.
It's the equivalent of saying buying a 16gb 7600xt in 2025 is "more futureproof" than buying a 12gb 3060 in 2025.
blazze@reddit
The 16gb 7600xt is a giant pile of crap even with 16 GB , so a 12 GB 3060 is the better choice. If you go to techpowerup you'll see that the b580 is 17% in relative performance than the "12 GB 3060 "
VYDEOS@reddit
The point is more VRAM =/= aging better. The b580 having 12gb isn't saving it from becoming obsolete in a few years.
flushfire@reddit
Lol no. For truly low-end gamers the B580 will perform worse because of its CPU overhead that still hasn't been fixed more than half a year after release.
CoronaLVR@reddit
Looks like people already forgot that testing the B580 with a top end CPU gives unrealistic results for actual budget buyers.
Every trick in the book for a nvidia sucks article.
VYDEOS@reddit
Don’t forget how everyone is shitting on the 5050, calling it the worst nvidia card ever, but were praising intel non stop for the b580.
Even using purely stats from the article, b580 is 3% better with 4gb more VRAM than “worst gpu ever”, so I don’t see how this translates to a win for the b580. Being better than a terrible product by a hair doesn’t exactly make it good.
plantsandramen@reddit
They're using the same cpu for the 5050 too. What a weird comment to make.
wintrmt3@reddit
But Intel Arc drivers have a really bad overhead, while nvidia does not, so in gpu bound games the 5050 will have around the same performance but the b580 will lose a lot of it, so it's not a weird comment, it's a very important point.
plantsandramen@reddit
I'm looking into this now, and you are correct. I am just reading this for the first time.
wintrmt3@reddit
It's well known by Arc owners.
kikimaru024@reddit
That's just a standardised testing suite.
Someone will have low-end CPU testing once this gets any distribution.
kimi_rules@reddit
Same can be said for the 5050 no? Both have CPU overheads unlike AMD which any mid-range AMD GPU can easily outperform Nvidia's 5090 at 1080p.
The 12GB VRAM however are better suited for people who are stuck at older Gen3/Gen4 PCIE speeds.
VYDEOS@reddit
Does it actually fall behind the b580 or is it due to vram bottleneck in certain instances?
Either way, this should open up people’s eyes about the b580. The b580 is just marginally above the 5050, which is a terrible product, with 4gb more vram… even at its 250 dollar price point, it’s never been a good deal. Not to mention how it’s going for 400 these days.
Dangerman1337@reddit
GB207 being slower than AD107 is pathetic, what's the point of these x07 dues again? They're not thst mich smaller than recent x06 dies.
Affectionate-Memory4@reddit
At these small die sizes, yields can be really high. High enough that if they wanted to have supply for a 5050, they might not have enough GB206 dies that can be cut down to 20/36 SMs.
The 5060M is probably catching the bulk of the bottom-level GB206 dies at 26/36.
There's also the memory difference, with the 5050 having gddr6 while the rest of the lineup uses gddr7. With dies this small, that cost difference in memory could actually make it worth taping out a new chip with controllers for the cheaper stuff. Gddr6 is dirt cheap at this point.
You could absolutely then argue that there's no reason for the 5050 to be so cut down that it needs a new, even smaller die, and that Nvidia can eat some margins on a budget card to give it better memory. And I'd agree. But I'm sadly not anybody who can make that decision.
Personally, I can't wait to see what becomes of the cut-down GB207s. The 5050 is a "golden" fully-enabled die. There will be some with only 18, or 16, or even fewer working SMs. Hell it could lose an entire GPC and be down to half-working. Those will be some absolutely sad little GPUs.
Saneless@reddit
Because it will sell a shit load. Probably will be one of the highest selling Nvidia GPUs this generation
Healthy-Doughnut4939@reddit
The RTX 5050 is 2.5% slower than the Arc B580.
It's also a 50 series card that costs $250.
07bot4life@reddit
I'll believe that when I see it in stock for 250. MSRP is meaningless if the product isn't available for that price.
Vb_33@reddit
5060 has been in stock at MSRP everyday since launch. This should be the same. Even the 5060ti 8gb and 5070 are at MSRP.
tvcats@reddit
MSRP has always been meaningless because it stand for suggested retail price.
larryjerry1@reddit
It wasn't always meaningless. Overall deviation from MSRP used to be smaller, and it wasn't hard to find the basic models at MSRP once upon a time.
tvcats@reddit
Price is only driven by demand and supply. See how the crazy expensive GPU still sell like a hot cake during the COVID lockdown period?
Ratiofarming@reddit
The chip is tiny, so a single wafer -> more chips. The demands on power delivery, cooling etc. are nothing to speak of. And the GDDR6 memory is cheap and readily available.
If anything will ever be in stock, it's this card.
Method__Man@reddit
And will be even worse since it's vram is 8gb. In many many games the b580 would Perform even better
FrequentWay@reddit
Value engineering to extract as much wealth as possible while unable to match performance conditions.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
People who own 9800X3D's aren't buying B580's or RTX 5050's, i'd wait for more realistic reviews using CPU's people actually own.
crshbndct@reddit
I have a system with a 9950x3d and a 1060. I’m thinking of getting a 5050 to go with it.
Strazdas1@reddit
Out of curiosity, what is your use case in such a setup? I find myself cpu bottlenecked quite often on a 7800x3D but i use a 4070S, when i used 1070 GPU was bottlenecking me.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
You really believe you are an average 9950x3D owner? Really?
crshbndct@reddit
I never said I was
Sim_Daydreamer@reddit
In mkst cases comparison would make sense since you testing gpu's not anything else. But when you toss in b580 complaints about using too powerfull cpu make much more sense
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
The B580 showed we need to test in the systems the cards will end up being used in. The restricted PCIe lines on the lower tier cards i.e. only use 8 also means they need to be tested on older systems.
Sim_Daydreamer@reddit
more like we need to test with different processors. Like with high-end to see absolute maximum and some lower grade to see how good/bad driver overhead is
Rurishijimi@reddit
Maybe a product for non-gamers who want/need multiple display setup, like me. Even then, if you bother to spend that amount of money for 5050, better add some more to get 5060, and if bother to get 5060 just better get 16GB one. Furthermore, you may feel why not add bit more to get 5070 series rather than 5060 16GB. That's how these things are priced.
flushfire@reddit
It'll run nearly every game in existence at 1080p with playable framerates with the right settings. IDK why it would be a product for non-gamers. Calling it that means the B580, 4060 and 7600 are products for non-gamers, too.
Only game I could think of it wouldn't run properly would be oblivion remastered, which has terrible performance on anything.
godSpeed_1_@reddit
Trying to convince people to buy a 8gb card in 2025 should be illegal. Yet, people will line up to buy it because of the Nvidia logo...
asdfzzz2@reddit
This is not a card for 1440p, as it would have issues with getting even 60 fps there, and in 1080p 8gb is mostly enough.
There is a difference between choking on VRAM with 80 base fps (5060ti) and 50 base fps (5050). Yes, second case is still annoying, but you might want to dial down the settings anyway, and then you would be fine.
flushfire@reddit
The narrative was pushed so much that this fact became an unpopular opinion.
Skensis@reddit
Honestly for people who don't need a lot of GPU power, not the worse.
I have two work computers, one with a 4090 and an old one with a 3090Ti.
These GPUs sit idle just taking up space, would have made more sense to get the something less performant.
BrandonXYX@reddit
the 3060 is still a better value than this card bc its about same speed but 12gb vram and higher bus
trololololo2137@reddit
272mm\^2 for B580 vs \~150 or less for RTX 5050 and perf within 5% lmao
crshbndct@reddit
4x the performance with MFG though.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Margins go crazy
trololololo2137@reddit
negative margins for intel
vegetable__lasagne@reddit
The only positive about this is they're likely going to make a 5040 with a cut down chip that should pretty easily fit <75W.
Ratiofarming@reddit
TBH, they should have made THIS card a 75W SKU. It probably easily can be, without losing much performance. That would make it a very viable upgrade path for low-end systems. And kind of make the price more attractive, because it would require zero additional changes.
DistantRavioli@reddit
If the B580 only wins by 2.6% with this CPU then it's going to lose when you use something weaker because of that CPU overhead problem with Intel.
Highlow9@reddit
Yeah it would be interesting to test with a more real-world CPU pairing.
Ratiofarming@reddit
But if the recent LTT video is halfway accurate, AMD would murder both of them in that scenario. The 9060 XT 8GB might want to have a word with those two cards.
that1dev@reddit
Yeah, that was my question, did that ever get fixed? It seems like nobody remembers that anymore
Ratiofarming@reddit
I think to lose in sales, it would have had to lose a little more convincingly.
Yes, it's worse. But not enough to make up for features and brand-loyalty / nvidias massive reputation with gamers who are not into tech.
This thing will sell. It will sell A LOT. Because Average-Kevin who just wants to play Fortnite and some League will have a great time with it. And he dgaf why we think it's the wrong move.
flushfire@reddit
IDK but that performance is actually not bad. It should've just been cheaper.
AntiGrieferGames@reddit
No 75 watt, pin connectior, yeah this is death of arrival.
flushfire@reddit
3050 released with the exact same specs and msrp. The 70w variant only came out 2 years after. The first variant was in top 10 of steam's hardware chart.
Stilgar314@reddit
Will it also fall behind them in the Steam hardware survey?
Tritonprosforia@reddit
Don’t make Jensen sad
Noreng@reddit
It's actually surprising that it's that close to a 4060 considering the 5050 only has 2 GPCs as opposed to the 4060's 3
Due-Ambition-7385@reddit
It's a Nvidia Rx 7600, actually good recommendation over that card if it released for the same price in India. Rx 7600 is awful compared to rtx 5050 in pretty much everything.
augentum@reddit
Nvidia RX7600? That a new GPU? 😂
Due-Ambition-7385@reddit
nvidia Rx 7600 equivalent
KARMAAACS@reddit (OP)
Now that we have a third-party review, it pretty much confirms what Inno3D said the other day, it's definitively slower than the RTX 4060 by about 5-7%.
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