Was Intel Evo just a rushed anti-Apple campaign?
Posted by Creative-Expert8086@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 84 comments
I’m starting to feel like Intel Evo was more of a marketing scramble than a genuine standard.
Right around the time Apple dropped the M1 and shocked the world with insane battery life and performance per watt, Intel suddenly rolled out “Evo” branding with its OEM partners. Sleek ultrabooks, “verified” for responsiveness, battery life, instant wake, yadda yadda.
But for anyone who’s actually owned one of these Evo laptops… you probably already know where this is going.
I’m currently typing this from a so-called Evo-certified laptop — a Core i7-1260P machine. And I’m here to tell you: the battery life is atrocious. We’re talking 3 hours max, and that’s with me trying to keep things under control. 30Wh/hr consumption if I want anything close to “MacBook-smooth.”
What happened to “9+ hours of real-world battery life” that Intel and the OEMs were touting?
The worst part? It lags. You’d expect short battery life to at least come with some performance kick — nope. Thermal throttling, high idle power, and fans constantly spinning even while browsing.
So was Evo ever about actual user experience? Or was it just a desperate attempt to slap a badge on premium Windows ultrabooks and call them a MacBook killer?
Would love to hear from others: Has anyone had a good Evo experience, or are we all just pretending?
-protonsandneutrons-@reddit
To your question: while I think Intel has felt forced to respond to Apple multiple times, but not specifically Evo → M1.
Project Athena (codename for Intel Evo) was announced 12 months before WWDC 2020, where Apple announced the transition: Intel's Project Athena: Defining The Next Generation Of Premium Laptops.
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Intel 2011 Ultrabook branding was a pretty transparent response to Apple's 2008 MacBook Air.
Intel's 2003 Centrino platform w/ Wi-Fi could be interpreted as a response to Apple's 1999 iBook, one of the first mainstream laptops with Wi-Fi. Though this one is less clear.
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Now, maybe Intel had enough inklings (e.g., future contracts) that the late 2020 M1 devices were coming, so they preemptively launched Project Athena? But that is speculation and not quite founded in the timeline.
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To your point re Evo laptops: I don't think Intel takes battery life seriously, at all, even in Evo, especially with the power limits it allows: https://youtu.be/P0h8q6D0s74?t=408 (rewind for context)
Alder Lake was not a particularly good generation for battery life, I fear. The P-series (with an inflated 28W TDP that has stuck around in many laptops, sadly) launched in many devices that previously used 15W TDPs → this bump in TDP also increased PL2 limits, which let thin and laptops run wild (64W PL2 in a thin laptop!).
Sadly, many Intel and AMD laptops happily boost to 15W to 25W just during web browsing on 1T, meanwhile M2 kept its cool at \~4W.
"Race to idle" only works when you aren't expending 50% more power for 5% more performance (on a good day--in many tests, the M2 was faster in 1T for much less power).
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That advantage continues today: Intel landed TSMC N3B for LNL, the most advanced and lowest power node (when it released). But LNL is still so inefficient, LNL (TSMC N3B) consumes more power than the M1 (TSMC N5) on 1T tasks, even with on-package DRAM.
英特尔Lunar Lake深度评测：轻薄本有救了！
Intel basically copied the M3 (4+4, TSMC N3B, on-package DRAM, etc. etc.) and it was still worse in 1T perf / W than the Apple M1. It is unbelievable how Intel spent billions trying to ape a CPU released four fucking years ago and Intel further lands a newer node: but LNL consumes more power on every single part of the 1T perf / W vs the M1?
I know it's a small gap, but that it's even close is an embarrassment. /rant
FruitsOfHappiness@reddit
LNL may consume more power on 1T tasks, but if I recall correctly the overall battery life in mixed typical usage (browsing, media, etc.) is still comparable to Apple Silicon. So there's clearly more to the picture.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
I heard that at best, its performance is comparable to the M3; at worst, it's closer to the M1. On average, it’s on par with the M2, but in terms of battery life, it’s more like an M1.5.
Ask ChatGPT
auradragon1@reddit
You don't have to hear. Benchmarks show that perf/watt is still much worse than M1.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
But by battery life, windows laptop have a battery size of about 10-20% larger at the same weight of macbook air.
Shadow647@reddit
Really? How common are 1.2 kg Windows laptops?
dahauns@reddit
Quite common. For the config talked about here (LunarLake with larger battery and <1.3kg)...well, take your pick:
https://geizhals.eu/?cat=nb&v=e&fcols=13921&fcols=10&bl1_id=100&sort=p&xf=10_1400%7E13921_60%7E2377_15.4%7E9594_Lunar+Lake
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
On the heavy side already, the flagship of lunar lake and even meteor lake is sub 1kg with LG Gram, X1C(57Wh) and Huawei Matebook Pro(70Wh). These are the users who pay more than an MacBook Air for an windows ultrabook.
Shadow647@reddit
Well yeah, at >1500 EUR there are a few options (though LG Gram is complete garbage in terms of build quality (I have one), and X1C/Huawei are unavailable in entirety of EU). Meanwhile M4 MBA13 is 999 EUR and built better than most of those >1500 EUR laptops.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
https://www.lenovo.com/fr/fr/d/thinkpad-x1-carbon/?orgRef=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F&srsltid=AfmBOoqUA2SHPbls0jKCA2_b_TDLUEQWGRRqk_d8ZzjdY48fQ_sMFauE
Should have, but to be fair, I would pick a MBA instead
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
Never knew X1C is unavailable in EU? Thought it's a universal laptop that even ISS uses? But anyways, none of these high end ultrabook are worth MSRP, I got my ultrabook ultra G1i for 1.2k USD for something with a 2.7K msrp.
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
I agree M2 or more, M3 is on par with M3 or slightly above M3 LNL is good, but we need to work harder in the next work AMD too
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
The leap from M3 to M4 for power efficency alone is crazy.
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
Sorry I am LNL or higher than M2,I wanted to say that it is equal to or slightly below the M3. Sorry, I'm not very good at English
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
No problem at all! In fact, my grammar and structure are also not good, I just use ChatGPT alot to fix my grammar and improve my strucutre!
auradragon1@reddit
Because it throttles. There's no magical law of physics that LNL is breaking.
FruitsOfHappiness@reddit
We're talking about power efficiency on battery comparing like-for-like scenarios. On battery the poorly optimized Windows scheduler still makes LNL (and Zen, not sure about Snapdragon) consume several times more watts performing the same tasks than macOS on Apple Silicon. Not going to dig out sources, but multiple Geekerwan videos confirm this.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
Basically do not try to run the P
m0rogfar@reddit
I don't think it's very speculative.
We know that the A12X was the final "test run" before Apple's leadership signed off on stopping Intel chip orders and setting M1 base/Pro/Max/Ultra into production, and that thing shipped to customers in volume by 2018, so orders would definitely already be affected.
The October 2018 event with the A12X announcement was also a pretty obvious giveaway. Apple announced the new Amber Lake MacBook Air, and then followed it up with a 10 minute segment about how x86 laptop chips were all terrible and how the A12X is a much better laptop chip that is for some reason only in an iPad for now.
dahauns@reddit
The Amber Lake MBA design itself felt like a cheeky middle-finger send off for intel. Obnoxious lowest-effort active cooling design yet abysmal performance (and barely better battery life) compared to even the passively cooled variants of the Surface Pro 6. I can't help but wonder why Intel did this to themselves by offering Apple that custom SKU.
Shadow647@reddit
Intel could have figured out that something is coming up when Apple skipped putting in multi-million-unit orders for Intel chips
Healthy-Doughnut4939@reddit
Lunar Lake is so much better than competing AMD chips in idle power and low power performance that it's not even comparable.
Lunar Lake competes with the M3 at idle and low power performance because of Skymont LPe and the low power uncore. At high power, the Lion Cove P-cores become active, and they're equal to Zen 5 in PPW.
Arrow Lake should be slightly inferior to Zen-5 in efficency due to Skymont cores sharing the main L3 ring bus
996forever@reddit
Arrow lake-H and Strix point are pretty comparable in both performance and efficiency according to real laptop reviews.
Hytht@reddit
Real world battery life is another thing, for pure performance strix point is ahead of Arrow lake in performance/watt curve and Lunar lake is ahead of both under 15W
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
Yeah, Skymont is the GOAT of x86, while LNC should take the blame.
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
SKYMONT has made great streaks The successor, Darkmont, hasn't made a big leap from there, but it's still good. Furthermore, it is said that Arctic Wolf, the successor to Darkmont, will increase its IPC by 25%. It is incredibly amazing that the IPC has increased by more than 20%. Nowadays, the IPC is usually improved in the 10% range when it is less than 20%. Practical There is no problem even if the degree of perfection is high from the beginning and the range of performance improvement is small, but M4 is compared to the M3's P Core and E Core, the IPC has only improved by 10% or less in terms of IPC, excluding the clock frequency. (In terms of IPC, Skymont performs better than M4 ECORE Considering the performance of the area ratio, considering the Intel made with high-performance cells and Apple, which is made with high-density cellsSkymont has no problem with architecture
clockish@reddit
Great points, but I'm not sure why you don't think the timeline lines up for Intel already mostly knowing about M1 before Project Athena. The public leaks about Apple ditching Intel came 12 months before the announcement of Athena. I'd expect Intel knew even before that.
VastTension6022@reddit
Surely they would have noticed apple wasn't placing new orders
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
The on-package memory adopted by LNL is limited to this time... It's not that there's nothing you get from LNL. Of course, the products obtained from LNL are also applied to Panther Lake.
PMARC14@reddit
You are mostly right about it being a response to Apple but it is also a response to similar AMD chips at the time, which were competing heavily in battery life and performance as well. It was basically Intel revowing to their hardware vendors they would have a good response to the new Apple hardware and to not swap their premium machines off Intel to more competitive AMD chips at the time, of course they only recently made a chip that could be said to meet the concept of an EVO laptop with the Core Ultra 200 chips which are fairly impressive. The main problem facing the designs besides Intel designs and fabs being stagnant is also that it doesn't tightly work with Windows which is probably the reason for most of your struggles, they don't have that total leash on the ecosystem meaning a lot of bloat, startup apps and poor software is not curtailed, nor does Microsoft do a good job with OEM's in proper and effective implementation of sleep states or power modes.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
So if time flipped back to 2021/2022, it would basically be:
AMD: Zen 3 (e.g., Ryzen 7 6800U)
Intel: 11th Gen (e.g., 11xG-series) and early 12th Gen (e.g., 12xxP-series)
Apple: M1, followed by M2 later on?
PMARC14@reddit
Yep basically, though include 5800u, 5600u and 5900hs those were main 11th Gen competitors.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
I heard that back then, AMD was leading in terms of battery life compared to the awful 12th Gen Intel chips. But now, it seems the situation has flipped. Currently, AMD only has three processors in this space — the Ryzen 7 7840U, Ryzen AI 370, and Ryzen AI MAX 395. While AMD leads in price-to-performance, it now lags behind Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake in terms of power efficiency, right?
shanghailoz@reddit
Plenty of lower power AMD chips - you see them in NAS's - but would be fine for laptop low power use.
PMARC14@reddit
Yes but those are performance chips, kind of like the P series Intel chips (the AI max is more like a competitor to Apple Max chips or machines that pair something with a 50 or 60 series Nvidia GPU for work, but because of unified memory and the first time dealing with such a large amount of unified memory are more popular with home AI people). They have maybe an excessive amount of performance but some people want that. They released the 360, 350 and 340 more recently that are a better match and compete with Intel chips in ultrabooks, but they don't really deliver a substantive improvement in graphics performance and are seen as more budget orientated.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
Just curious — for an ultrabook, is using the AI 370 simply a better and higher-end option without compromising battery efficiency? Or does the improved performance come at the cost of lower efficiency?
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
Of course, the larger the scale, the more power consumption will be. The same can be said for Apple's M processors. For example, a MacBook Pro with M Unmarked has a longer battery life than a MacBook Pro with an M MAX. Well, it's a trade-off HX370 isn't bad too
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
Not really—the baseline M-series and M-series Pro deliver practically identical battery life. As with most chips from the same generation and power-rating family (e.g., 288 V vs. 226 V), if you have more cores than you need, the system will simply idle or even power-gate them. LMAO—the gist of Intel’s Lunar Lake pitch is basically, “How can we defer the P-cores and shove every workload onto the low-power efficiency (LPE) cores?”
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
Also, LUNAR LAKE has the same die size for all SKUs except GPUs and NPUs(The model below has the GPU core and some of the NPUs disabled.). After that, it's the difference in clock frequency Even with the same silicon die, there are some low-priced models that have some CPU/GPU cores disabled. but At least I recognize that M Mujirushi and M Pro are different things.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
But a lot of Zen processors are same die, just disabled as well.
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
I wanted to say the same thing While creating a processor, it's not necessarily a problem when it works, but some things on the processor are not always usable. Turning it into a low-priced product is a natural way to keep costs down in today's world. It's a quality that can be commercialized by adjusting various things, but it's a waste to throw it away. For example, let's talk about Ryzen for desktop There is a CCD, a collection of cores But that CCD (maximum 8 cores) only moves normally 7 out of 8 cores... But it's just a shame to throw it away even though it's just that one core doesn't move and everything else is normal... Therefore, disable one core so that electricity does not pass. You can commercialize it as Ryzen5 by making it 6 cores, right
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
Well, right There's not that much of a difference between the normal M Mujirushi and the M Pro. The difference in power consumption due to the size may be small... I just put out M MAX and M Mujirushi as a comparison target. And as described later, well, good scheduling is required.
PMARC14@reddit
The improved performance definitely compromises efficiency and comfort of use in an ultra book where both battery and cooling are compromised, so the chip has to be throttled too much to stretch its legs. Companies would still try and squeeze it into machines that can't or can barely make use of it, this year's Asus S16 is an example where it combined with bad firmware makes it suffer. This applies to your laptop in question, you didn't mention the model but they likely squeezed a 1270p into it to try and advertise the performance even if it was better served by a much smaller 1255u, even if the 1270p crushes the 1255u in performance, the laptop is still more constrained by thermals and battery even if artificial benchmarks don't pop as much.
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
That said, I think they are evenly matched... The 12th and zen3 generations... Still getting better gradually
Healthy-Doughnut4939@reddit
Lunar Lake is so much better than competing AMD chips in idle power and low power performance that it's not even comparable.
Lunar Lake competes with the M3 at idle and low power performance because of Skymont LPe and the low power uncore. At high power, the Lion Cove P-cores become active, and they're equal to Zen 5 in PPW.
Arrow Lake should be slightly inferior to Zen-5 in efficency due to Skymont cores sharing the main L3 ring bus as the P-cores
SherbertExisting3509@reddit
Lunar Lake is so much better than competing AMD chips in idle power and low power performance that it's not even comparable.
Lunar Lake competes with the M3 at idle and low power performance because of Skymont LPe and the low power uncore. At high power, the Lion Cove P-cores become active, and they're equal to Zen 5 in PPW.
Arrow Lake should be slightly inferior to Zen-5 in efficency due to Skymont cores sharing the main L3 ring bus
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
I realized that few vendors made flagship ultrabooks with AMD — for example, ThinkPad never had an X1 Carbon or X1 Nano with AMD. Maybe Intel EVO was just a stunt to keep these vendors loyal?
lukfi89@reddit
I think that's more plausible than it being directed at Apple.
PMARC14@reddit
Yeah and still few flagships with AMD either on second best, or nerfed with a not as nice screen (though actually this contributes to their better battery life even if AMD chips don't have as much of a battery life advantage rn, being forced on a cheaper IPS screen helps). AMD ended up with a close relationship with Asus because they gave them the respect required, but Asus is known for its terrible and problematic warranty which is a turnoff. EVO is part of that ploy to keep vendors loyal with Intel as a premium option, but you can't keep delivering trash which is why I am quite interested in Intel Panther lake as a substantive release to deliver on their promises.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
But doesn’t Asus release tons of products across all processor vendors (Snapdragon, Intel, and AMD)? They even have a few high-end ultrabook lineups, like the Vivobook and Zenbook series, as their attempt to build a brand to rival the EliteBook and ThinkPad—trying to present themselves as having the same legacy and build quality. Yet I still see far more corporations and organizations using EliteBooks and ThinkPads than Asus devices. Asus also tends to price-cut much more aggressively in the ultrabook space compared to ThinkPads and EliteBooks.
PMARC14@reddit
Almost all laptop OEM's release products from a A variety of CPU vendors in recent years to try and best serve consumer interests, but Asus definitely has a closer relationship to AMD, getting basically exclusive access to Ryzen AI 300 chips at the start of release last year, releasing more high-end products with those chips, swapping over to AMD CPU's almost entirely for a bit for their premium gaming laptop lineup. They definitely gave them and AMD a leg up.
PMARC14@reddit
Yes businesses do not tend to change Laptop vendors unless they deliver a horrendous product, and they upgrade in big cycle every couple years. Asus does not the same level of product support, and the Vivobook and Zenbook are competitors to Lenovo, Dells, and HP's consumer, small business lineup (Yoga/Think book, XPS, Spectre & Envy though a lot of these have rebranded recently and also cross over and are sold sometimes to business clients). Their actual business laptops that compete with the extremely highly priced Thinkpads, Latitudes, Elitebooks is their Expertbook line.
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
Well, the hardware vendor and the software vendor are not working together. That can be said for both Intel and AMD. It looks like Microsoft is holding back
PMARC14@reddit
Yeah it is clear from how much more performance was unlocked from both Intel and AMD chips by recent fixes to Microsoft's terrible scheduling that they are kind of coasting until someone points out how bad the synergy is.
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
In that respect, Intel and AMD can be said to be victims... Especially when Microsoft's betrayal at Copilot+PC... The hardware vendor should also be able to work with it. For example, Intel and AMD x86 ecosystem gatherings
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
Microsoft is reserving the best tuning for their in-house surfaces
42LSx@reddit
I think it was another effort like Centrino back in the days, which was derided as purely marketing, but if you were the one to troubleshoot them later in their life, it was always a relief to spot a Centrinosticker - because it means that drivers were readily available and there generally was no hidden trap for consumers like it was common with all the competing and proprietary standards back then.
Some-Dog5000@reddit
Intel has been trying to make laptops with phone-like features since forever. "Ultrabook" was an Intel invention in 2011 to raise the quality of Windows laptops. Then Intel made Project Athena in 2019 to enforce stricter standards, that eventually became Evo.
The problem is that it's really hard to make the laptop industry rally around a single standard. Some companies make really great Windows laptops that fit the standard well, but there will be some that will find every opportunity to cut costs while still being able to pass the bare minimum standard, or just have absolutely horrendous QC. One shitty model from one shitty brand can tarnish the whole program.
Apple doesn't have that because not only they only sell only two laptop models, but they have insane control over their computers from the OS down to the chip and so can optimize the hell out of them.
Also, tbh Intel, especially around the time of the 1260P, wasn't known for having really great performance per watt anyway. You'd probably get a much better experience getting AMD.
Glittering_Power6257@reddit
Among the corporate laptops we have around, it’s always those Alder Lake and Raptor Lake ones that have their fans going like crazy, even on regular office workloads. Mine included, just throwing it on the dock for some reason got the fans ramping up. Absolutely none of that with the AMD ones.
That doesn’t get into the fkery that sometimes occurs with OEM power management software.
That said, I’m also running an alder lake laptop (broken screen) for a server, and that thing is silent. Granted, Jellyfin isn’t a big load, but it seems without a display connected, it’s pretty well behaved.
dahauns@reddit
Corporate laptops are a different beast, though. A battery of performance draining enterprise "security" software, convoluted group policies, ancient bios revisions (the irony!)...no matter the quality of the original machine, its usually a "look at what they did to my boy" meme situation.
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
Among them, it's an Intel EVO that keeps the quality above a certain line as much as possible. It's better than not doing it At least it will be an indicator
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
I don't think so Intel EVO is a genealogy of the certification system that Intel has done in the past. For example, Core2 generation "Intel Centrino"… For example, intel UltraBook... https://youtu.be/3yahuqXS3r8?si=GJSX9iRCtQMN1zGS https://youtu.be/2N2I9FP3JOw?si=6a3PI8dhUX_7_QuM It is a commercial for the Japanese localization of the above brand.
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
I'm using the latest generation Intel EVO-certified laptop with LUNAR LAKE installed, but it's comfortable. Of course, as the generation progresses, it will evolve.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
Just purchased a Lunar Lake (HP Elitebook Ultra) and waiting to be shipped, curious to know the average battery drain doing word and web surfing, about 6WH/h?
Shadow647@reddit
lol
VenditatioDelendaEst@reddit
Hey now, be nice. At least they didn't say watts per hour.
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
What a coincidence, I bought the same machine when I entered university. Since it uses a high resolution OLED monitor, it may consume a little more power. but the battery life is good. I'll always charge my phone... I'm the kind of person who doesn't forget to charge my laptop, but... It may be that you haven't realized the efficiency of this machine yet, but... it's a good machine. As for the advice, it can be said for any laptop, but if there is an environment where you can charge it, I think it's better to charge it as much as possible.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
Yeah, to be fair, my current 1260P and Lunar Lake 258V have roughly the same performance—it's just that the 1260P now draws three times as much power. Right now I can keep it plugged in while using it, but I’m starting university this fall, and I’ve heard there are no power outlets in the lecture theatres.
Overall, how’s the EliteBook Ultra? I’ve heard its lid-opening mechanism can be a bit wonky—is that true?
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
I'm not dissatisfied with the opening and closing That laptop is thin to begin with, so some people may find it a bit difficult to open... Well, it can't be helped Because the weight of the side where the motherboard is included is light. Others contain magnets
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
So any major cons of the laptop as an ultrabook?
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
I don't think there is anything in particular
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/systems-devices/laptops/evo.html
Illustrious_Bank2005@reddit
Yes, that's right A laptop that meets the requirements and requirements from Intel A laptop that meets it can call itself an Intel EVO
VenditatioDelendaEst@reddit
Why didn't you just say watts?
Sopel97@reddit
responsiveness issues are unlikely to be caused by the hardware, more likely OS or application differences
30W for a laptop is not normal, it sounds you disabled power-saving measures and are running your CPU constantly at it's base frequency on all cores.
Shoxx98_alt@reddit
I'm sure that the HW is fine but windows is just really bad with battery life
hollow_bridge@reddit
That's 100% user error. I'm guessing you installed windows yourself without installing any drivers?
30w is obviously not anywhere near normal.
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
No, it's an out-of-the-box Huawei Matebook Pro X 2022 - 12th gen edition tracked on HWinfo64 doing web surfing
hollow_bridge@reddit
huh , i googled it, seems like that generation had inconsistently good or bad battery life. That really sucks. While it could be defective cpus, I would lean on it being a driver issue. But the fact that the default drivers don't work well means it could be a difficult fix, as windows will frequently automatically replace drivers even if you manually install them. It would be worth experimenting with different driver packages, intel v huawei v microsoft. At idle you should be pulling less than a 3rd of what you are now. It could also be caused by security microcode updates, some of these may be possible to disable in the bios. good luck!
captky22@reddit
Intel Evo 11th gen i7 in my thinkpad running mx Linux has great battery life for me. No official tests but I can play stardew unplugged for hours
kyp-d@reddit
I don't have extensive benchmarks, but my 11th gen i7 vivobook also had great Idle and Video playback power use (2-4W with a 67Wh battery), using Windows 10.
Web browsing with Firefox was a bit more intensive, and I never tried to play games without the power cord. (Except some SNES emulator in the train once, but that's barely nothing)
Creative-Expert8086@reddit (OP)
how about on windows?
captky22@reddit
Didn’t use windows long enough to compare although I am curious now
TragicKid@reddit
I get about 10-20% less on windows on my XPS
Or 100% less if Windows decides to not go to fking sleep when I close the lid