Soviet Muscle 💪
Posted by Specialist_Face8068@reddit | projectcar | View on Reddit | 50 comments
Hey, guys!
I’ve wanted to share something really unusual, especially for anyone who’s on the left side of iron curtain. I’m resuming my work on my project car that I’ve brought home back in 2020. It’s a 1984 Gaz 24 Volga.
I’ve bought the car in November 2020 from the second owner who intended to restore the car but had about 15 other project cars and eventually he decided to get rid of it.
It’s in pretty rough shape since the original owner passed away, the car sat for a long time in a field and was never parked in a garage… like… ever. It has some rust issues - flooring has a few rust holes, the rocker panels need replacement and the trunk gutter needs to be replaced as well. Lots of battle scars on the paint over the years, some bondo work visible as well, but it’s structurally and mechanically fine.
General info about the Gaz 24:
The car was manufactured from 1967 all the way to 1991 and the design was kept pretty much the same except for some cosmetic changes and small mechanical improvements. It was definitely not a people’s car back in the day, you either had to be a higher up in the party food chain, a well connected factory manager or a KGB agent to be able to have access to this car. It was the most luxurious car that you realistically get in the Soviet block. In the US this would have been a stripper model in terms of features.
The Volga was planned to have a V6 from the factory but some brilliant party folks decided that was going to be too exotic, so they shifted to a 2.5 liter 4 banger making around 100hp. It’s pretty basic in terms of design, but very reliable. Even if the battery dies, you can start the engine using a crank!
There was a 5.5 V8 available for these cars but it was installed only in KGB’s chaser cars. (Not accessible to the public). These cars were also equipped with 3 speed automatics. With this setup, the cars were capable of 0-60 in about 12 seconds, which was pretty fast for soviet standards back in the day.
After I got the car, I also bought a V8 engine from a Gaz truck, which has a very similar design to the V8 that was used for the chaser cars. My plan is to turn this car from a slouch (currently does 0-60 in 19 seconds!) to something that turns heads and reliable at the same time.
Engine mods:
- 4.7 liter stroker kit (around 289 cubic inches)
- stock heads with 56cc chambers (ported)
- stock pistons with reversed piston offset
- stock valvetrain
- higher flow oil pump
- stock single plane manifold (gasket matched)
- stock electronic ignition with about 20 degrees advance
- 4 barrel Holley 550cfm -2.5” exhaust system with x-pipe
Drivetrain mods:
-5-speed manual transmission (currently it’s a 4-speed) - Dana 40/60 rear end
Suspension mods: - Disc brakes - Bilstein shocks (front and rear)
Please keep in mind that aftermarket parts and kits aren’t readily available for these cars and sourcing parts from Russia is just as hard as flying to the Moon at the moment, so there’s a lot of parts that need to be fabricated (such as the engine mounts).
I’d love to hear your thoughts and input on this project as this is my first project ever and any advice and idea will be greatly appreciated. I’ll try my best to update as frequently as I can.
P.S Sorry if some of the terminology is incorrect, I’m not a native speaker.
mrnecree@reddit
Wait, why is sourcing parts from ruzzia a problem? They're mostly meh quality and dirt cheap, but I'm pretty sure they're still available. You need help with that?
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Basically the supply chain is non existent at the moment because of the conflict, I’ll have to either source some of the parts from Ukraine or wait till something comes up on the market. I’ve already ordered some goodies from Russia, but that was a few months before the conflict broke out.
mrnecree@reddit
It's a war, not a "conflict". And the supply chain is very much there if you know where to look :) I'm in the western Balkans, and I can get you basically whatever from the ol' commieland.
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Holy crap, you’re saving me years worth of waiting! I have a few things in my list that I’ll definitely need to get my hands on once I get to the engine. Definitely appreciate your help on this one!!
mrnecree@reddit
Yeah, no worries, 24 or 2410 parts can be rare as most of the cars themselves rotted away when I was a kid. But parts are most definitely still available. Also, the soviet upbringing tells me there's plenty of western parts that fit after a little tinkering – I vividly remember people retrofitting ford and peugeot parts to their 24s, as the domestic ones were of unpredictable quality.
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
24 and 2410 parts I have covered to a certain extend, except for some small things like door handle gaskets and such. I’ve been collecting parts for the better part of 4 years, also got a lot of parts from the previous owner when we struck the deal.
Yeah, you’re right - retrofitting was something that a lot of people did when I was a kid, although back then there were plenty of parts available, like you’ve said, their quality was sometimes questionable. There were some Volga with Peugeot engines from the factory, they were built in Belgium (Scaldia-Volga). Those were the most desirable.
mrnecree@reddit
Hehe my granpa told me he used to own a 2410 swapped with a volvo engine, gearbox and some of the suspension/brakes components. It was back in the cold war years. Sadly, the car didn't survive long enough for me to have seen, but still cool what people came up with.
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
We gotta hand it to them, they were very creative! My grandpa had a Lada, sadly I wasn’t there to see it, but I was told that he sold it for more money than he bought it for. That kind of hints at the automotive deficit and what people were willing to do and pay in order to have this basic car…
mrnecree@reddit
"Basic" doesn't really cover it. I used to have a 21093 and I'm pretty sure I get my first 21093 years in hell get omitted cause of all the suffering.
sprolololoo@reddit
nice! my dad had a 1980 M24 back in the days. borrowed it a few times and it was a decent drive. the brakes were the only complain, manual 1 circuit main cylinder pushes fluid to external booster that's located in the opposite end of engine bay, that pushes the liquid to proportioning valve that's located near the firewall and then the liquid gets pushed to drums :D so when you press the brake pedal nothing happens for the first second or two so you panic press the pedal and BOOM teeth meets the steering wheel
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Awesome! That’s one of the things I’m willing to upgrade on this car, because if you lose one brake, you lose all brakes with this system (which sucks!). Drove this car only once since I’ve bought it, didn’t take too much time figure the teeth in the steering wheel situation, lol! Also the front brakes are relatively weirdly designed - they use 2 brake shoes (obviously), but they also have 2 brake cylinders which are different for the right and left side. Having a disc and caliper is a tad nicer, lol.
IRingTwyce@reddit
So the 12 second 0-60 time was for the V8 KGB version?
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Indeed, the KGB version was a lot heavier as the chassis was reinforced, it had a 3 speed auto, which was notoriously janky and there was also a 300 lbs concrete block painted black sitting in the trunk to keep the rear end stable as the car with the V8 was a little tail happy.
unjuseabble@reddit
Thats one way of getting more traction in the rear, though the brick mod for most cars is usually done by the 7th owner not factory lol.
Anyways, cool project and interesting history details as well!
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Thank you! True, very basic and cost-effective way to cope with traction. Thing with these cars is when they get to the 7-th owner, you won’t be having a solid spot to put the bricks on, lol!
FalseRelease4@reddit
The stuff commonly available to the public was some air cooled 4 cylinder that needed a good day to even reach 60 at all
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
There were quite a few cars in the early Soviet era that you would have needed a calendar to measure the 0-60 time. Only a few were air cooled, though. The ZAZ 968 ( the Ukrainian Porsche) had a V4 air cooled engine. Thing with the ZAZ was the speed in KPH was equal to the temperature of the engine, lol!
wetheretropeople@reddit
Опа колега старозагорец. Евала! Като я направиш ще дойда да я видя
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Хахахха, с най-голямо удоволствие! Не съм от Стара Загора обаче, колата я взех от Казанлък и още стои със старите номера
mrnecree@reddit
*panics in russian
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
*calms him down in Bulgarian
wetheretropeople@reddit
Хаха аз съм от Казанлък. Верно че вече не се сменят номерата. Успех!
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Благодаря много! :)))
deadass_nibba420@reddit
Nice! I think projects like these are always interesting! A few questions… is the stroker kit an aftermarket kit, or is it a rotating assembly from another engine? Does the stock intake utilize a typical 4150 style flange, or is it something you will need to make an adapter to fit the Holley? Any flow numbers on the heads over stock?
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
The stroker kit is basically a crankshaft from a different specification of the same engine. The connecting rods are the same and the pistons need to be modified so they don’t interfere with the heads. There are separate pistons for this crankshaft with lower compression height, but I’m looking to increase the compression ratio as it’s currently around 6.7:1. The assembly needs to be balanced along with the clutch pressure plate, flywheel and clutch.
There are 4 types of stock intakes available for this engine.
The one I have is the single plane with the 2 barrel flange. It’s some kind of a Soviet standard that’s doesn’t fit anything resembling a Holley or a Carter.
Current flow numbers of the heads are 150cfm for the intake and around 88cfm for the exhaust, which isn’t that terrible, but can certainly be a lot better.
HulkSmash-1967@reddit
That engine looks crazy interesting are the cylinders integrated into the head instead of the block? Do you have any sources online with more information about the engine?
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Appreciate you taking the time! Not a huge fan of the wet sleeve design as it’s very limiting in terms of power. Good thing is that these Gaz 53/66 have a very low compression ratio (6.7:1) as they were designed to run on the crappiest fuel you could get your hands on. Back then the regular gas was A76, not 87, not 93. Making this thing run on modern pump gas definitely wakes it up a bit. :)
soedesh1@reddit
Thanks for the info, I had no idea about cars from the soviet era.
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Thank you! I’ll provide more info in my future posts as there isn’t really a lot of information on these cars online.
Whitworth_73@reddit
This is awesome!
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Thank you!!!
Kombatrok@reddit
This is super cool. Do you have an Instagram or build thread somewhere else where it would be possible to follow your progress?
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Thank you! I’m seriously considering uploading videos on my YouTube channel. I’ll do some work on the garage to make it a bit more presentable and I’ll get the camera rolling.
fnordfnordfnordfnord@reddit
I like these Soviet cars for some reason. I low key want a UAZ-452 Bread loaf van.
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
They certainly have their charm. These Bukhankas are one of the toughest vehicles you’ll get your hands on. With just some oil changes they could easily outlive many of the cars on the road. Where I live, they’re still going strong and used as utility vehicles for the municipality. You could easily get one for less than a $1000. Hell, I’ve got the Volga for about the same price, lol!
superknight333@reddit
You gotta make a video on this, I think alot of people will watch it, at least I do, thats really interesting. Cant wait to see it all finish up with beautiful black paint.
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Thank you! I’m seriously considering to start a YouTube channel in order to document everything and let more people know about these cars as they are pretty obscure to the western public. :))
TheG00DTyrant@reddit
Such an obscure car, this project rules.
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Thank you! Even though they’ve exported much of these cars to countries outside of the USSR at the time, the cars remained obscured because of the low production numbers and Soviet reputation. They are very well known in Eastern block countries, though. :))
JohnnyMayday@reddit
This is super cool! Love it! Good luck brother!
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Thanks, man!!!
cathode-raygun@reddit
Extremely cool, I'd never heard of this old soviet gem before. Best of luck on the V8 transplant.
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Thank you! 🙏
yorkman2@reddit
need. Dream car.
pooo_pourri@reddit
First project ever? Ngl that’s pretty crazy, good on you brother. Is the 5 speed from the truck too?
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Thank you! No, only the bell housing is from the truck, it came with the engine. The 5 speed is from a next gen Volga, which took me about 3 years to track down, lol
YousureWannaknow@reddit
Boy.. Nice rig.
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Thank you! 🙏
CocoonNapper@reddit
Very cool project - keep us posted.
Specialist_Face8068@reddit (OP)
Thanks, man! Much appreciated!