'Mariupol is diseased': Residents deny Russia's stories about occupied city
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Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604
Remember this?
https://web.archive.org/web/20140517171406/http://www.rferl.org/content/gray-zone-mariupol-sinks-into-power-vacuum/25388574.html
Mariupol voted for Yanukovich by 91%. Majority of the city opposed Euromaidan.
After ultranationalists removed Yanukovich, illegally, Mariupol descended into chaos.
The residents were pro-Russian but tons of far-right ultranationalists descended on the city and brutally occupied it.
Ukrainian Army soldiers fired into a crowd of civilians, causing dozens of casualties
Azov Battalion was originally a white supremacist gang in Kharkiv called “the white boys”. They wrecked havoc on the city and basically occupied it.
For 10 years, Azov or Right Sector or Tornado
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_Company_(Ukraine)
Abused, tortured, murdered, etc residents of Mariupol. Tornado especially committed very serious crimes.
The article itself is trying to give the impression that there is some fictional “Ukrainian” resistance in Mariupol.
There isn’t.
Not even sure what their argument is in this article. Russia isn’t repairing things fast enough or something?
GothicGolem29@reddit
He wasn’t illegally removed he fled the country….
It’s not an occupation to take a city that is literally apart of your country…. If those actions are true I don’t condone them but that doesn’t make it an occupation.
How can you say it’s fictional the bbc literally speaks to resistance members…
That Russia is painting a reality that isn’t real that the city is still in ruins and they are not doing enough… and this is what residents are saying
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Ok. Why did he flee?
Because a group of armed militants stormed his house.
And since when do unelected men in masks get to decide when leaders are gone or not.
Another interesting thing Russia did; they canceled all debt held by residents.
So your house? It’s yours. No more mortgage!
Your car? It’s yours. No more car payment!
Two years before the war began, Zelenskyy - over the objections of his own party - signed a controversial “land law” that put up Ukrainian farm land for sale.
Foreign investors bought out land from right under farmers. Turned them into sharecroppers.
Russia returned all land deeds to the farmers.
so if you’re an average person, you benefit a lot from Russian occupation. But you pay a lot of Ukraine takes you back.
Russia never said the city wasn’t in ruins. Yeah they do a bunch of PR to highlight their building projects. So what?
At least Russia is spending some money on reconstruction.
GothicGolem29@reddit
Nothing on the wiki states that was the reason he fled and this group of experts mention other reasons he might have fled so I don’t think it was as simple as people stormed his house.
They didn’t he did when he decided to flee and the many many Ukrainians who disliked him played a part too in showing their displeasure.
Doesn’t make up for if your house is in ruins or infrastructure isn’t working properly.
The average person does not benefit from living under a Russian dictatorship…. Some may find it ok but clearly as shown by this article others dislike it
Their pr is trying to act like they are rebuilding it very well when reality is different. And that pr is lies.
Not enough it seems
Usernamenotta@reddit
Others in the article? YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 6 FREAKING PEOPLE. You can find more people on youtube posting bird's eye videos of Mariupol
GothicGolem29@reddit
Thats still 6 people with knowledge of the situation as they live there...
Usernamenotta@reddit
EXCEPT THEY ARE NOT LIVING THERE. Read the full bloody thing, people. It clearly says that among the 6 interviewed there are people who left the city
GothicGolem29@reddit
Literally some are tho 2025 "What they're showing on Russian TV are fairy tales for fools. Most of Mariupol still lies in ruins," says John, a Ukrainian living in Russian-occupied Mariupol
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
What Wikipedia are you reading?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_settlement_of_political_crisis_in_Ukraine
Oh wow. Look. Ukrainian source says exactly that.
Oh weird, look who shows up again!
https://www.newsweek.com/2014/03/21/dmitry-yarosh-man-who-claims-victory-ukrainian-revolution-speaks-247987.html
Lol. It has this gem:
Like dude, this is how bad the propaganda and self-censorship is. You have the Atlantic Council, literally an official part of NATO, saying this:
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s-got-a-real-problem-with-far-right-violence-and-no-rt-didn-t-write-this-headline/
That’s like if Zelenskyy went to London and some soldiers stormed his house and said “he is fleeing”.
And there definitely was not support for a bunch of Neo-Nazis to storm government buildings.
You even see people moving to towns that will be captured by Russia soon.
According to Ukraine, over 150,000 people returned to Donbas. From Ukraine.
Someone forgot to tell them there is no benefit.
GothicGolem29@reddit
This https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych#Removal_from_presidency
A none of that says they occupied his house just the government quarter and B even if he lives in the government quarter none of that says that’s why he left…. It’s also contradicted by the page o haves
Idk what you’re saying with this next part.
Ummm that’s an American think tank not nato…. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Council
There is no proof this guy fled because anyone stormed his house
Euromaiden itself included tons and tons of s of Ukrainians that is many clearly a lot disliked him.
It’s not enough of a benefit if your house is rubble and services are not working for many people.
That’s a minority of people from Donbas and maybe just maybe they don’t think there’s a benefit of Russian invasion but they rather be in their homes anyway
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
So if the president leaves the country at all or even leaves his house, he is leaving his post and you can kick him out?
So when Keir Starmer goes to a conference or something, he is “leaving” and “abandoning his post”.
The Wikipedia page you posted is blatantly one sided.
They couldn’t find the President of Ukraine? Really??
And how long was he “missing” 8 hours? 12?
Do you try to call him? Lol.
Even on that same page, there is a picture of “activists” at the Rada flying a UPA flag.
That’s like someone waving the confederate flag in America.
Okay so then give me any reason why the president of a country would “flee”.
Euromaidan was originally a demonstration against corruption, then it morphed into a vague demonstration in favor of the European Union.
Just like in your country, the European Union in Ukraine is divisive. A majority of Ukrainians probably did support joining the EU but there were many who did not.
As for who benefits it’s pretty obvious: the ultranationalist militants benefitted enormously from this action.
Previously, they were illegal. Also their ideology of authoritarianism, racial & ethnic supremacy wasn’t very popular.
After 2014, they didn’t just become legal, they became part of the military.
They even became the legal police in Kyiv in many cities.
Show me a single country that allows masked men affiliated with far-right political organizations to carry weapons and patrol the streets?
These groups also won power over the education system. Millions are spent every year on “Patriotic education”.
I would even argue that war with Russia massively benefits those ultranationalists.
GothicGolem29@reddit
No but he didn’t just leave the country b for a trip to the Bahamas he fled the country and could not be found. A
Starmer doesn’t just suddenly leave without telling anyone’s
I disagree it has sources and I’m sure the editors will have discussed the changes and made sure everything was fine. That’s what happens when you leave a country without telling anyone they can’t find you
The confederate flag is a flag of a separatist state that succeeded to protect slavery are you really telling me the UPA wanted to succeed from Ukraine to protect slavery??? And if not then it’s not like that at all….
Perhaps he knew there was too much anger against him and didn’t think him ruling would work. Or he was afraid he did something wrong and a court would find him guilty.
Eh depending on the majority it might not have been decisive for Ukraine. The reason it’s divisive in my country is many different reasons but our situation is different to theirs.
I’m not sure what the rest of this is in response to? My comment about benefits was talking about the Russian occupied areas not militants patrolling Kyiv
3w1FtZ@reddit
Imagine if it was Israel being talked about here and how obviously full of shit that would be. This is no different lmao.
GothicGolem29@reddit
Yeah if this was someone talking about Israel like this and about Gaza like yeah it would be so obvious
Plethorum@reddit
Tankies forcefully condemn any crimes against humanity. Unless, of course, they are perpetrated by russia
datNomad@reddit
Government affiliated propaganda media speaks to anonymous sources, you mean? Wow, how can we say it is fictional. It's not like BBC was caught lying and spreading blatantly false propaganda hundreds of times. Lmao.
Back_at_it_agains@reddit
Good Russian bot
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
My apologies. I didn’t realize Newsweek and CNN was “Russian propaganda”.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/09/02/world/europe/ukraine-crisis
Alexander Omelyavenko, a Donetsk resident, told CNN,
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28969784.amp
Back_at_it_agains@reddit
Yes, the Ukrainians were so nasty and mean to Mariupol. That’s why Russia had to siege the city and kill 25,000 civilians and destroy/damage 90% of the city.
Usernamenotta@reddit
They had to siege the city because some dickhead soldiers thought they were much better using civilians as human shields
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Unoriginell@reddit
So its just 10000? Makes it all the better
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
It was 6,000 at the end of 2022, so way after the end of Mariupol.
Over 1/3 of that 6,000 are civilians in rebel territory. That means the Ukrainian military killed thousands of their own people.
The fact that is happening at all is the reason why millions of Ukrainians want to leave the country.
It’s the reason why 2 oblasts seceded.
It’s the reason why millions of Ukrainians have fled the country and won’t come back.
1/3 of British civilian casualties in WW2 was not caused by RAF bombing.
Shackram_MKII@reddit
I'm sure you'd prefer if it were more to fulfill your need to feel righteous.
Nobody cares less about ukrainian lives than their western supporters.
b0_ogie@reddit
There are two sides involved in the war. According to military mathematics, Ukraine killed half of civilians who died in Mariupol. According to human rights organizations, 10k people were buried in Mariupol after the siege (an excess of 8k deaths). These graves include both afu soldiers and civilians. So your estimates are way off.
Wayoutofthewayof@reddit
Lol imagine quoting "Donetsk resident" as a source to base sentiment for the entire region.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
So literally the exact same thing your side is doing?
Tricky_Weight5865@reddit
Yep, his entire account is just Russian/Chinese propaganda :D
HalfLeper@reddit (OP)
Yes, that’s exactly it. They residents are frustrated and upset because because they’re being used in these propaganda videos showing the “glorious restoration of Mariupol” while they’re still living amongst rubble. They want reconstruction, which is lagging or inextant. At least, that’s what I took away from it. 🤷♂️
Also, it should be wrought havoc not wrecked havoc (tangential side-note).
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Why did 150,000 IDPs move back into the occupied areas then?
https://kyivindependent.com/150-000-ukrainian-idps-have-returned-to-occupied-regions-mp-says/
I seriously doubt they care.
I think Kyiv and some Ukrainians are pissed off by that PR. And that is because Ukraine is not doing the same for its citizens.
Instead Ukraine eliminated the gas subsidy, cut the pension so now 60% of the country lives in poverty.
Food scarcity affects 1/3 of Ukrainians.
Because apparently this is a war for survival but Ukraine shouldn’t have rationing or even price controls?
If Ukraine thinks this is all propaganda, that’s fine. But where is their effort?
Where is the project to rebuild Kherson?
Why is there a homelessness crisis among IDPs?
imunfair@reddit
So western media asked a bunch of resistance fighters what they thought of a city they'd fled, and predictably they said it was horrible. It's hard to take this stuff seriously when it's been three years of "Russia is doing horribly, they're almost out of missiles, their economy is going to collapse, etc, etc" - every talking point calibrated with the operation we happen to be running at the time trying to collapse their economy via frozen debt payments etc.
I don't think all of Mariupol is rebuilt by any means, but parts of it definitely are - you could argue it's for PR, but I think the larger question is whether there's enough demand for more building. The article says they've cleared areas but haven't rebuilt them, which is logical if the demand for housing is lower than pre-war, if Ukrainians who fled either decided to stay in Europe or failed the Russian filtration and are now stuck in other parts of Ukraine.
Dependent-Dream7180@reddit
Why should the word of people that actually lived there not be taken seriously? It's a problem for you that they don't enjoy their city being invaded, destroyed and occupied?
But Russia has been doing horribly, they have always struggled with keeping up a supply of missiles, and there economy is absolutely not healthy. How is any of that even relevant regarding taking the first-hand accounts of refugees from a destroyed city seriously?
Destroying people's homes is a negative thing, do you seriously need that explained to you?
imunfair@reddit
No it's a problem when you ask a person how their enemy is doing. Obviously they're going to say "not well". The answer is a foregone conclusion regardless of truth, so it's useless.
Ah yes, the constant barrage along with increasingly large swarms of Geran drones definitely seems to be struggling. Not sure how you even typed that with a straight face.
We were talking about clearing rubble from destroyed buildings, try to keep up. The point of contention was that they wrecked it and didn't rebuild it, only rebuilding enough for show. You can go back and read my thoughts on why that logic doesn't necessarily follow.
Dependent-Dream7180@reddit
Seriously? They're victims living in a city that a foreign country invaded, destroyed and occupied. Do you just ignore any victims opinions of their aggressor because its biased (for very good reason)?
I'm not sure how you typed that with a straight face. How do today's Geran drones suddenly undo the past 3.5 years of war, hundreds of thousands of casualties, and economic instability?
The bulldozed buildings...originally destroyed by Russia (hint: destroying people homes is regarded as a negative thing by most people). Try to keep up. They were just fine before Russia destroyed them.
imunfair@reddit
Look if you want to be mad you're free to be mad, just do it somewhere else, I don't really care about your offtopic venting about how horrible Russia is for being a big meanie.
Dependent-Dream7180@reddit
You're welcome to concede if you have no real arguments. Trying to say that anything I said was "off topic" is just nonsensical.
imunfair@reddit
You just keep ranting about the same things that I already explained in my first post and then in a direct reply to you. It seems like you're one of those people that's more concerned about morality than how real life works, and that's fine you can live in that bubble but it has zero relevance to conversations about the real world, credibility, etc.
Dependent-Dream7180@reddit
I was directly addressing your points and then you just abruptly gave up when I pointed out that your logic didn't make any sense.
imunfair@reddit
No I gave up when I explained your errors and you just repeated them again with more added incredulity, as if that would somehow elicit a different response.
Dependent-Dream7180@reddit
Well hey you're certainly welcome to highlight these "errors" or at least make an actual argument.
Usernamenotta@reddit
Errors highlighted:
Mariupol is a city with a population of at least 50,000 people.
If you've read the article, you would see how many BBC interviewed: "Half a dozen people"
In other words, a grand total of whooping 6 guys.
They are basically asking 6 guys to give an opinion for 50,000 people.
But wait, there's more.
If you read the full description: 'some of which still live, others who have fled'. In other words, THEY DIDN'T EVEN ASK 6 PEOPLE CURRENTLY LIVING THERE.
Not to mention their sources are clearly biased and have an agenda to misrepresent the truth, since they are 'resistance fighters'
And I am playing the nice devil's advocate here. BBC probably took 6 Ukrainians from Berlin and asked them what they think of Mariupol.
Dependent-Dream7180@reddit
Let me highlight something you seem to be missing: Mariupol was a city of nearly 500k only a few years ago before Russia came. If current Mariupol is so amazing where are those people? Oh right they're either dead for had to flee the abhorrent conditions.
Unlike Russian sources that want me to believe that the city that they completely destroyed is actually already rebuilt and way better than it was before and everyone is super happy that Russia killed half their family.
SamuelClemmens@reddit
Naw dude, you are on the wrong on this one. Feel free to hate Russia for being a warmonger who invaded its neighbor, but its pointless to lie about how its doing. There are too many cameras these days to hide stuff. There are literally street views of Mariupol you can find if you want to see. That doesn't mean Russia are good guys, it just means that reality is reality regardless of how unfair it is.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
The people who live there are not being taken seriously.
It’s just people who claimed to have lived there that are giving a negative opinion of Russia and telling us what we want to hear: that Russia is failing, evil, etc.
This is why you have lots of articles digging around for pointless, arbitrary statistics that give the impression that Russia is struggling.
If you ran articles saying “Russia has a GDP growth rate of 3%”, people wouldn’t like that.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-05/russian-wage-growth-hits-16-year-peak-amid-race-to-find-workers
Or Russia is one of like 4 countries in the world that have positive real wage growth.
Russia’s industrial production has exploded because of this war. Because of the sanctions, Russia has been forced to move industrial production back home. They have had to replace imported goods with Russian made goods.
We are at the point now that Russia may not be willing to accept lifting the sanctions! Because they want to protect their domestic industries that are thriving because of the sanctions.
Without a doubt, the sanctions backfired massively in the long term. In a way, the sanctions fixed most of the problems Russia’s economy was struggling with before the war.
Dependent-Dream7180@reddit
The article is about people that lived there and you aren't taking them seriously because they aren't saying what you want to hear.
Oh my bad for even starting to put effort into responding, I didn't realize you were just troll posting.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
No, I just don’t agree with them. I think they are wrong.
They have literally said they would have to police the removal of sanctions because it would affect Russian companies.
Dependent-Dream7180@reddit
Haha right, of course they're wrong. What would some residents from Mariupol know about Mariupol. They should have consulted someone on reddit like yourself who also happens to know more about Russia's economy than the people running it.
PointmanW@reddit
So who do you trust between some residents from Mariupol who uploaded video about how their city are great now and some other residents from Mariupol who say it's terrible?
personally I trust the guy with video, not completely but more than the people who just say it's terrible without anything to back it up.
Dependent-Dream7180@reddit
I obviously trust the people that are allowed to actually make comments about the state of a city Russia destroyed who aren't under Russian occupation/in danger of retaliation. Not that I also haven't seen tons of people living there also complaining about water issues, heating issues, destroyed homes, shoddy new constructions, and stolen property. I don't trust any youtube channel ran by the Russian government only showing what they want to be seen.
Dizzy_Response1485@reddit
Yes, fuck the opinion of the sore losers who got chased out! The new upstanding citizens think the Lebensraum is going real swell!
imunfair@reddit
It's true or it's not, my point was that it's likely to be untrue given who's saying it - their obvious bias isn't what you're looking for as a reporter with no ability to verify what they said is true.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
https://kyivindependent.com/150-000-ukrainian-idps-have-returned-to-occupied-regions-mp-says/
Meanwhile in Ukraine.
You also have a massive problem with homelessness among IDPs (internally displaced persons).
A lot of people in Ukraine have wondered why after 3 years Ukraine has not provided or even built accommodations for these people.
Kyiv has taken in twice the country’s GDP in just 2 years. Why have they not rebuilt areas like Kherson or Sumy?
Why are they cutting pensions instead of raising them?
Dizzy_Response1485@reddit
Turns out it's pretty hard to build housing when an invader is razing your cities to the ground and you can't leech resources from dozens of nations you've conquered.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
It’s actually pretty easy.
And given the scale of Russia’s drone and missile campaign, it is very doable.
Dizzy_Response1485@reddit
Hey, wasn’t it around the same time that russia declared they’d steal the real estate of people who don’t become russian?
Sus_Suspect_4293@reddit
Nazi Israel Lebensraum 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬
Anti-Fascist Russia Lebensraum 😍😍😍
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Well apparently Lebensraum is acceptable to many in the West.
Dizzy_Response1485@reddit
Well, if it's cool with both the West and you, naturally the only thing left to do is to deport all russians from Europe
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
They have to say this stuff in order to prove the imaginary point that Russia is trying eradicate Ukraine or something.
All of this is trying to create an imaginary war in the minds of people in the West. It is trying to obscure the truth.
flesjewater@reddit
You can verify it yourself with satellite imagery.
Shackram_MKII@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iygjk-Fz4Pg
HalfLeper@reddit (OP)
Thanks for sharing 👍
HalfLeper@reddit (OP)
The demand for more buildings is an excellent point, actually.
VintageGriffin@reddit
Between yet another anonymous source whos name was changed because reasons and the guy on YouTube that lives in Mariupol and frequently posts video footage about it, how do I choose who to trust more. A real dilemma on my hands.
And who would know better than someone that doesn't even leave in Mariupol, but rather deep in western Ukraine, far removed from the combat line and embedded deep within Ukrainian propaganda.
Oh, so clean drinking water is important.
They didn't seem to care about any of it when they dammed the river carrying fresh water to the entire Crimean peninsula, so fresh water for the population had to be shipped in via sea. All while never stopping the claims that Crimea is part of Ukraine. That's a pretty terrible thing to do to your own people, huh.
That will show them. The spirit of resistance, how romantic. Follow the Freeman.
Only Russia tries to identify and weed out collaborants. Ukraine would never do that.
My dude, you literally admitted to doing just that. That "allegedly" is doing some pretty heavy lifting here. Could it be perhaps that your neighbor was arrested for something that you have personally done, and they just happened to grab the wrong man? Don't complain about snitching when you're the one doing the exact same thing.
The entire article is just yet another bunch of trust me bro anonymously sourced "opinions", Russia does the same things as Ukraine but when they do it it's bad, and Russia not rebuilding a city as fast as they would have liked, or something, I guess?
Narrow_Program80@reddit
It's bad because Russia invaded you inveterate halfwit.
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