Was I wrong to speak up about unpaid salaries on behalf of my coworkers?
Posted by pallagommosa@reddit | ExperiencedDevs | View on Reddit | 104 comments
Hey everyone, I’d really appreciate your take on a situation I’m going through at work.
I’m a software engineer at a small-to-medium company. A few weeks ago, salaries were delayed by over three weeks, and we hadn’t received any kind of communication or update from management.
People were understandably nervous — especially since some technical staff had been recently laid off. The atmosphere was tense, with many colleagues quietly applying to other jobs.
So, I decided to send a respectful email to upper management asking for clarification — nothing confrontational, just requesting transparency. I signed the email myself but wrote it “on behalf of the employees who hadn’t received any information.” I CC’d the entire technical team — everyone who explicitly agreed to be included. I even asked the managers first if it was okay to include more people in the loop, but they said no — they claimed “they had already been informed” and didn’t think it was necessary.
I sent it anyway, because it just felt wrong to stay silent. People were genuinely worried. We’re talking about people’s salaries, after all.
Management did reply (the next day), but then the CEO scheduled a 1:1 with me. He told me he understood the request, but was "disappointed by the format," saying the email felt like a "class action." He seemed upset that I didn’t raise the issue privately or individually.
To be honest, I now feel like I’m being subtly positioned as a “divider” between management and employees, when the divide was already there — I just exposed it. I didn’t do this to make noise; I did it because I thought someone had to ask the obvious question, and others weren’t being heard.
My question to you all is: Was I out of line for sending that email? Should I have just accepted management’s silence like the other managers did?
Is this kind of reaction from leadership... normal?
I’m genuinely curious to know if this is just a bad moment at one company, or something more systemic in tech. Thanks for reading.
shifty_lifty_doodah@reddit
Need to leave ASAP
NO PAY NO WORK
Full-Cardiologist476@reddit
So, no. You were right.
ironcook67@reddit
I don’t get how an experienced dev would even wonder.
Dudely3@reddit
In every software company I've ever worked, if they didn't pay us, we would basically stop working. If 2 weeks went by and we STILL didn't get paid? The place would be a ghost town in hours.
Eric848448@reddit
Has this been a frequent occurrence in your career?
Dudely3@reddit
No, I think it's happened twice
nullpotato@reddit
The agreement, even without explicit contracts, is the company pays me and I provide work in exchange. No pay means no work
Dudely3@reddit
RIGHT? I was actually at a job that missed payroll for ONE day. The CEO/co-owner sent me my pay in full out of his own bank account by lunch and told me it would never happen again.
dizekat@reddit
A response to the words “class action” should be a thoughtful “hmmmm” to make that CEO completely shit bricks.
Other than that as everyone else said the whole company’s about to go under anyhow.
If it was Europe I’d recommend to choose items of furniture to take when you don’t get paid at all next time, but since this is the US I don’t know if there’s enough worker rights for doing some old fashioned repo on the spot from that kind of creditor.
fiyawerx@reddit
Thought he said it was Italy
seanrowens@reddit
As others have said, missing salary payments is a HUGE red flag, and management not being very very upfront about communicating what is going on makes it even worse.
I've had like two experiences like this over my lifetime, in small tech companies. Both times, the management involved weren't the greatest, and honestly I was quite surprised about how seriously they treated both the problem and apologizing for it, and communicating clearly what was going on. Both times things got straightened out quickly.
After the first experience, someone older and more experienced than me explained what a huge red flag it is, and that the management treated it so seriously because if they hadn't, the next step would have been the employees jumping ship in droves.
NoJudge2551@reddit
Non-payment of wages is major. The CEO also just singled you out. You need to talk to a lawyer as it's likely now a hostile work environment, and start looking for another job immediately.
Designer_Holiday3284@reddit
You were wrong? Absolutely not. But you will be in the firing queue and just one or two of those who you helped will send you messages when you get fired and over time they won't even talk to you anymore as they might get scared of getting fired too.
Most workers just think about themselves and have no unity at all. Your boss might even come up with a strategy so the workers will get happy with you leaving.
PetroarZed@reddit
Fuck you, pay me.
fuckoholic@reddit
yeah you prolly shoulda just wrote bitch, where's my money
PragmaticBoredom@reddit
Well to be honest, you did insert yourself between management and the employees by sending an e-mail "on behalf of" the other employees. I don't think it makes sense to argue that you didn't inject yourself between management and those employees after explicitly writing an e-mail to management saying you're speaking on their behalf.
Obviously there are bigger problems at this company. Asking if you were right or wrong to send the e-mail is kind of beside the point right now. Are you applying for other jobs?
pallagommosa@reddit (OP)
You're absolutely right — in hindsight, I did insert myself between management and the team by sending that email “on behalf of” others.
That said, I’ve now started actively looking for other jobs. The company has been in financial trouble for years, and things have definitely gotten worse lately. But more importantly, I’ve stopped believing in the direction of the management and in the value of the products we’re building. Ironically, since getting promoted to team lead, that disconnect has only grown stronger.
I think what really got to me was my manager’s reaction — not the fact that he gave feedback, but the kind of feedback it was. I’ve poured a lot of unpaid overtime into this job over the years (which, yes, was my own mistake), and the people who supported the email are the same ones who’ve been burning out trying to keep the place afloat. So hearing that our email felt like a “class action” just stung a bit.
bluemage-loves-tacos@reddit
Report it, report it, report it, report it! Management may be trying to get money out of the business before insolvancy. Wages should be a priority here, so there's either no money left already, or they're spending it and screwing you all over. The longer it goes on, the less likely everyone is to get paid.
Oatz3@reddit
Have they paid you OP? Are they current?
WhereWaterMeetsSky@reddit
CEO is trying to guilt trip you. Missing payroll, even by a day or two is a huge deal, much THREE WEEKS! AND no communication about it? Are you serious? I wouldn't even be showing up to work after a day or two; employment is a two way street, not "trust me bro" and vibes. Do not believe anything anyone in management tells you about this.
pablosus86@reddit
I was at a company once (Fortune 150) and there was a technical problem with payroll so it went out a few hours late. The amount of communication we got about it was almost overwhelming.
DandyPandy@reddit
Assuming you are US based, search for “unpaid wages”.
For example, in Texas, it’s the Texas Workforce Commission. We have the Payday Law, but there is an important caveat.
Every state is different, but you need to drop everything and contact the appropriate state agency that handles labor issues. If the company files for bankruptcy, which they may be in the process of doing, it could be years before you get what is owed to you.
DeterminedQuokka@reddit
I think this is the right take.
I had a previous job where I threatened to quit if 4 other people didn’t get raises. Management reacted similarly because I did the thing you aren’t supposed to know is possible and negotiate on behalf of other people. It’s very much to their benefit for you to only care about yourself.
The main difference being I knew what I was doing and did it on purpose
bluemage-loves-tacos@reddit
In many places, late payment of salaries is outright illegal, and very rightly so. I would find out who to flag this to (there are labour boards and other organisations, depending on where you are) and then report it. If management are trying to sweep things under the rug to the extent of being shirty with you for asking about it, they'll be in for a rough ride when they start realising there are much bigger consequences. Salaries need to get paid BEFORE anything else in a business, period.
Oh, and if they're not paying salaries, they're probably not paying employment related taxes either, so please report them to the tax man as well.
Rymasq@reddit
pretty sure there are laws against missed salary payments.
the CEO is not your friend, and their 1:1 was an intimidation tactic.
Future_Butterfly_453@reddit
Division.. Class action - sounds like gaslighting from the managers who basically hold implicit assumption that coders are below them and treating them worse is normal and accepted.
You siding with the lower class probably put yourself out of opportunity of being accepted to big boys club - now they view you not as one of them, but one of the workers.. like if you were cut for the upper role, you would implicitly just know that treating slaves as cattle is just normal - now you're one of the cattle for them.
From machiavellian perspective you did wrong, not usefull for you, but from moral standpoint - you have balls and that is respectable.
ArchfiendJ@reddit
Of course the CEO is displeased. You pointed at everyone that the company was failing. You may also have disturbed the CEO strategy of hiding the situation. Maybe they told privately to each individual that they were a special case and it was not a general issue. You proved everyone wrong. You did good.
darkhorn@reddit
In Turkey I asked my salary be rised, on email. The company owner was rising my salary only at official inflation rate. I was gaining experience. We moved to better building. He bought 2 new cars. We started to have bigger and popular corporate clients. I was good programmer. We were 4 programmers. 2 of us were experienced. I was the only one who was speaking English. I introduced new useful things to the company like Git (yes, I know), deployment pipelies, simple solutions to big time consumic problems etc. Whatever. He wrote to me that I don't deserve a rise etc. Back and forth few more emails and he stopped talking with me and fired me. So my take away from this was "don't ask for money, in any condition, just leave the company" and "avoid one to one interactions". But did you make the right thing. I think you made the right thing.
Dismal-Club-3966@reddit
You did the right thing. Assuming everyone you work with will be looking for new opportunities shortly or already, would you rather be well remembered by almost all your colleagues or well remembered by a few people in leadership who from your post seem incompetent at best or manipulative at worst?
What you did is what leadership actually looks like. What your company leadership is demonstrating is that they would rather berate you for your communication approach because they are embarrassed that they can’t keep their business afloat. The phrase “rearranging deck chairs on the titanic” comes to mind.
Dismal-Club-3966@reddit
And to everyone saying you should have reached out 1:1 first — be real, that would not have been any more effective in terms of getting answers. The only reason a company doesn’t tell its employees why they aren’t paying them is they don’t want them to know the answer. In my experience in very similar situations to OP’s, asking publicly in front of everyone is the only thing that has led to any concrete information.
TheOneTrueTrench@reddit
This kind of behavior from a company means one of two things:
Most likely, they are insolvent, and you're about to lose your job anyway.
Or highly unlikely, but far worse, they've decided to start playing games with people's paychecks to see how they respond.
Either way, everyone needs to get the hell out of there ASAP.
JadeBorealis@reddit
Lawyer up, OP
endurbro420@reddit
I had this happen at a previous job. First payroll was late 24 hours, then the next time it was a few days, then it was almost 2 weeks late. Then the company closed up shop.
If they have lapsed an entire pay period, you need to call the labor board. You may be owed more for the delay and you may be able to get unemployment in the mean time. If it isn’t clear, working without pay is not actually working. It is volunteering.
the300bros@reddit
I would privately say i better get my money today or… even if they need to hand me cash. But yes, labor board will nuke them a new butt hole
whathaveicontinued@reddit
"Dude chill, it's only money.. jeez.. chill bro, stop being mean to me!"
the300bros@reddit
Lol. Company owner once robbed me of my promised salary increase & bonus. When I complained he says: we’re all on the same team. This guy was living in a 20 million dollar mansion but we’re all in it together!
noonemustknowmysecre@reddit
The business has missed paying salaries? It's dead dude.
No. The company is going under. Leaving employees in the dark is a dick move and only slightly less bad than NOT PAYING THEIR EMPLOYEES. Nothing is really owed to them. Indeed, a whole lot of money is owed in the other direction.
I'd be disappointed about my missing paycheck. If he wants a class action, I'd be happy to oblige, unless, you know, paychecks started getting sent again. And they didn't bounce.
I mean, the normal thing in failing companies is to grab the money and run, screwing over everyone else involved.
But you're still showing up to work? For no pay? Everyone was quit-fired weeks ago.
the300bros@reddit
Execs are probably busy sending money to offshore accounts and signing mansions over to family members
tehehetehehe@reddit
Missed salary payments is a huge deal and means the company is at or near insolvency. Start applying for new jobs ASAP. Don’t fret about the email. It is good to stand up for your fellow workers, but it is time to start planning for an exit and salary payments never being made.
Mirage-Mirage-Mirage@reddit
Reality check: I would not expect to ever receive those salary payments. Time to move on.
the300bros@reddit
It also means, get your money TODAY. Not wait till management feels like it which could be 20 years down the road or never
chimpuswimpus@reddit
This is the most important thing, op. There's only two reasons companies delay paying employees: they're being intentionally fraudulent or they literally have run out of money and they're hoping a big sale will bail them out. Spoiler: it won't.
Both of these are reasons to run as fast as you can to another job. I'd make it your top priority even above tasks set in your job because you're not going to have it much longer.
prescod@reddit
It really depends on the company’s business. Consulting companies can flirt with insolvency for years on end.
qwertyslayer@reddit
Can you say which consulting companies you're talking about, so the rest of us can avoid them like the plague?
prescod@reddit
I’m talking about thousands of 10-20 person professional services companies.
Small game studios often have repeated flirtations with death as wells
TornadoFS@reddit
There is usually a third reason which is someone fucked up payroll on the technical side. But that usually doesn't take more than 2-3 business days to solve (in worse case scenario finance department can do manual invoices)
Derp_turnipton@reddit
And there would have been an immediate notice about the correction.
HaMMeReD@reddit
I worked for a company like \~12 years ago that was late paying all the time, it took me 2 years to get 12k they owed me.
Somehow, they are still around, still not paying people.... 1.9 on Glassdoor, still manage to feed the machine somehow.
RustyTrumpboner@reddit
lol super super low chance, but was it Sweatworks? Fitness tech consulting company. Such a shit show that place was
a_library_socialist@reddit
If they're late on payroll by three fucking weeks, you are not the problem.
This speaks to such serious problems that your first priority should be finding another job.
tcpWalker@reddit
Yeah a day can be an HR problem; a week can be a legal problem; a full pay cycle is not OK. You know what pays better than zero? Other jobs.
the300bros@reddit
When fast food delivery drivers make more in 1 hour than you did all week working your software job it’s a hint
the300bros@reddit
Have seen places where everyone was so brainwashed if the CEO said tap water was soda they would believe it or make excuses about how it was soda and just went flat. They are very slow to realize there’s a problem. Even if furloughed and told their job is coming back at an unknown date.
the300bros@reddit
I would only speak up for others at work (in this situation) during my exit interview. Otherwise what I’m saying is that their family is more important than mine so I will take all the risk for them.
I bet if anyone even whispered “labor board” in an empty hallway at your job, everyone would get paid the same day. Labor board fines are no joke.
Fury9999@reddit
You are being positioned as a divider because that's what you look like. I'm not saying what you did was wrong, but I feel like there's some fairly obvious consequences that go with something like that. You're obviously going to get noticed, and it's unlikely that they'll see the Nuance you're describing. Definitely just start job hunting. Even if you hadn't sent that email, the company's clearly facing significant issues if people aren't getting paid, so get your butt moving.
colpino@reddit
Not out of line, but didn't need to add the whole team on CC. You could have just said the whole team is concerned.
Epiphone56@reddit
If he'd just emailed them individually, the email likely would have been ignored. CC'ing the rest of the team shows that there's a lot of concerned people in the company. He got their attention.
moduspol@reddit
It’s not his job to coordinate with his peers to try to shame the management into addressing grievances.
Of course paychecks being late is the reddest of red flags and OP should be applying for jobs now if he hasn’t already.
But there’s virtually never a time when it’s appropriate to do this. The boss is right: it should have been raised privately. If it were about the dress code or an open office plan, it’d be obvious how out of line it is. The issue (late pay) is more serious, but it’s inappropriate in the same way.
ActuallyBananaMan@reddit
You have outed yourself as someone who would rather avoid conflict than solve problems.
moduspol@reddit
I wasn’t hired to mediate the problems of my coworkers with management. If I have a problem with something management is doing, I do bring it up privately. If it’s not resolved, then I live with it or find another job.
Honestly I’m surprised to see your take represented so prominently here. So much for “experienced” devs.
ActuallyBananaMan@reddit
So your definition of "experienced" means "beaten into submission". Gotcha.
Vast_Item@reddit
I agree that CCing the larger group is more provocative than bringing it up privately. I think it's worth acknowledging that because it's good to know the effects of our communication.
However I disagree that it's never appropriate. Labor laws and weekends exist because people provoked. OP hinted that others had brought it up with management and were ignored. This very much isn't dress codes or office layouts; the reason those examples would sound "out of line" is they are petty in comparison. This is people's livelihood. It's time to be provocative.
mrbennjjo@reddit
I mean your job is about to fold anyways who cares focus on the next one.
mickandmac@reddit
If you lot were French you'd have set senior management's cars on fire lol
NoleMercy05@reddit
What country? I've heard of construction crews have pay check delayed but never in an office setting. Sorry - - fight the good fight!
pallagommosa@reddit (OP)
Italy
NoleMercy05@reddit
That's tough. Work hard - you just want to get paid and live your life. Basic ask.
Good luck!
nihiloutis@reddit
Ask yourself why he immediately thought "class action suit." And do it while sending your resume out and documenting the whole thing in case you're subpoenaed.
gajop@reddit
If a CEO or manager told me he was upset by my email format after pointing some critical issue like them not paying workers for 3 weeks, I wouldn't have much respect for him.
Quit, stay, doesn't matter, this is not a responsible way of treating your employees.
serg06@reddit
Regardless of what's right or wrong, it's reasonable that he'd feel a little attacked if you sent the email without reaching out directly first.
audentis@reddit
It's not normal in the sense of acceptable, but it is normal ion the sense of common.
If you hire people you take on a responsibility. The salaries are the most important bill to pay as an entrepreneur.
LetterBoxSnatch@reddit
Management is flailing because the business is done but they don't have the courage to admit this. They are just using magical thinking, hoping something good will happen. Their reaction to use shows this: they were hoping to "surf" the situation for as long as possible, fingers in their ears; they had to talk to you because that's where the next visible crack appeared. They don't have a strategy, they don't have a plan to shut things down, they don't have a plan to fix things.
Now let's talk about what you gained. Management knows they need to talk to you. Your fellow employees know you will stand up for them. And the whole company sees that even though the company is clearly sinking, you're still a standup individual who cares about doing things right. ALL of that is positive, even the part where management sees you as a greater threat to be addressed. It might mean you have less future with those particular managers, but it also means you are more likely to be dealt with fairly in the future. Good job.
Speaking of jobs, you don't have one right now. You have to be getting paid for it to be a job, and you aren't. All of this is just volunteer labor at the moment. It's nice management still wants to chat with you, but you don't owe them a response.
morswinb@reddit
I don't think it's that innocent.
Any company that has some sort of working business model would already apply for extra credit with their bank, and just make the payroll.
This means it's not just the management, but also HR, accounting, sales, office landlord etc that know of the issue.
Engineers are probably the last to work this out, since none of them has to work company balance sheets.
morswinb@reddit
CEO wanted to bribe you into staying silent and giving him extra time to embezzle even more company cash.
Layoffs were there simply to make the more liked employees get some money first.
You guys are holding the debt.
Your employment contract does not follow any terms and conditions that would make you liable for company fines and losses right?
jmking@reddit
but then
So if these other people were informed, then why was this manager withholding this information from you and your peers?
What exactly were you trying to accomplish by emailing the whole company about? It's not clear what you sent, who you sent it to, and why. Something about transparency?
But this seems like a middle or direct managemnt problem because you were explicitly told by someone that some group of people were updated.
...then you sent the email anyway after being told that you were operating with inaccurate information.
It sounds like you sent some company-wide email making false claims, and you wonder why the CEO saw it as a hit piece and an extreme step to take when you could have just asked. If you're able to send an email to the whole company, then you're able to send an email to the CEO.
pallagommosa@reddit (OP)
As a side note, shortly after I sent the email, the payments were suddenly processed and we finally received our salaries — three and a half weeks late. It could very well be a coincidence… but the timing certainly stood out.
pallagommosa@reddit (OP)
Fair point — I didn’t explain the situation well the first time. Here’s some additional context.
The email I sent wasn’t company-wide. It was addressed directly to the CEO, and I CC’d the technical team, who had explicitly agreed to be included.
During the first two weeks of missed pay, several people — myself included — had already sent individual emails asking for updates. The only response we got, early on, was something generic like:
“We’re talking to stakeholders to unlock the funds.” After that, we received no further communication.
By the third week, nothing had changed. Then we had a company-wide meeting with the CEO, where many of us expected the salary delay to be addressed — but it wasn’t mentioned at all. After the meeting, the technical team was surprised and stunned that the issue still hadn’t come up.
At that point, I asked the team if they wanted to be CC’d on an email I planned to send directly to the CEO asking for clarification. They agreed.
Before sending it, I also asked our middle managers if they wanted to be included. They declined, saying they had already been informed during private meetings with the CEO.
That raised two obvious questions for me: - Why had the CEO only addressed this with management? - Why hadn’t management shared that information with the rest of the team?
That’s why I sent the email. It wasn’t to create drama — it was just a way to request clarity on something affecting everyone, especially after multiple private attempts had gone nowhere.
mxldevs@reddit
You called management out and they don't like it that the workers dare to speak back.
AppleToasterr@reddit
GTFO this company my man
thetagang420blaze@reddit
I recommend no longer showing up to work and start looking for a new job. Missing a paycheck is #1 sign of a company that’s dying fast. The CEO’s garbage response is icing on the cake.
b1e@reddit
You haven’t been paid for 3 weeks? You need to be getting a lawyer not sending emails.
The state’s department of labor does not mess around with this usually.
endurbro420@reddit
Yep the whole team may be owed a late time penalty as well. OP should definitely look at their labor laws.
Imagine ceo’s face when he learns he owes everyone 3 weeks pay on top of the regular salary for being late.
b1e@reddit
In bankruptcy proceedings as well employee wages take priority. OP— go find legal counsel, NOW.
pl487@reddit
Yes, classic bad move, and perfectly normal reaction. It's not like they just forgot to pay people, they didn't pay them because they didn't have the money to pay them with. The big CCed email is a nuclear bomb, it should only be used as a last resort.
jameson71@reddit
3 weeks with no pay and no communication about the situation is unacceptable. Sending the email is perhaps a “bad move” because it paints a target on OPs back with management, but something had to change.
Management was basically negligent, or just hoping people would keep working until each one individually got fed up.
pl487@reddit
Management is trying to avoid bankruptcy. They understand that people will start quitting. The alternative is to declare bankruptcy. If you don't do that, there's still a chance.
jameson71@reddit
They can let the folks know the situation and their plan. That may keep them a bit longer if there is a chance of success. If there is no chance, who cares about the email, there is no bad moves when your employer is out of business but won’t admit it yet.
finicu@reddit
Whatever you just asked in this thread is totally irrelevant and you need to GTFO!!!
guhcampos@reddit
This is a politics question. In politics, "right" is not always the correct answer.
You were morally right to write that e-mail and have demonstrated empathy and leadership among your colleagues, but jeopardized yourself in the process.
What I would have done is either schedule a 1:1 call with management or, if not possible, try to ask about in informally on chat. Being an e-mail does give the impression you are trying to legally bind them to an answer, which makes these guys shake in terror.
pm_me_your_puppeh@reddit
You made yourself the lightning rod. Nothing good will come of that.
A company only misses payroll because they don't have the money. If they ever do, it's time to go.
Linaran@reddit
You did the right thing. They reacted as expected. Start looking for a new job cuz it sounds the company is going under anyway.
EvilCodeQueen@reddit
I was always taught that if you didn’t make payroll, the business was essentially done. My dad had a small business and he got paid last. There were also times he told people to cash their checks (old days, paper checks) ASAP because the IRS might swoop in and take the money. But he was always upfront with staff. He’d furlough people when necessary, but brought them back when he could. Sadly, I later learned how rare that kind of integrity is in business owners.
Human-Kick-784@reddit
Your CEO should be scheduling 1:1s with the bank and investors to get you guys paid, not express his disappointment at you stepping up with a reasonable request for your owed compensation.
Start looking for a new job. Make notes on everything that was discussed with your ceo; there is now a MASSIVE target painted on your back when the next inevitable round of layoffs hits.
yoggolian@reddit
If they are not paying you, it’s a hobby not a job.
dlm2137@reddit
Why are you even at work if you’re not getting paid?
Sterlingz@reddit
I'm management and would applaud this.
Glad_Industry4788@reddit
No one mentioning how highly ILLEGAL it is to withhold pay? At least it is in my state.
Broke ass CEO can F all the way off with his hurt feelings.
Aggressive_Ad_5454@reddit
Theft of wages is a felony in most places.
ListenLady58@reddit
Good management would have already addressed the situation. I would leave honestly, that doesn’t sound like a good place to be at all. Who hires engineers and doesn’t pay them? Jesus.
Glad_Industry4788@reddit
A company about to enter bankruptcy
PothosEchoNiner@reddit
The ultimate bad move here is the failure to pay employees.
flavius-as@reddit
Sounds to me like your CEO secretly admires you.
Doesn't mean he wouldn't fire you first.
chain_letter@reddit
this is why management hates unions, btw. That's what they're mad about, the workers are joined together against them with a substantial grievance
honestly, they should try to be more delicate considering all work should have stopped the second pay stopped.
rdem341@reddit
Management only wants employees to be aligned when it comes to work.
Salary should be kept secret and never talked about between employees. Especially unions.