Software engineering-adjacent jobs during tough times?
Posted by evanescent-despair@reddit | ExperiencedDevs | View on Reddit | 40 comments
This is different from a full pivot/leaving tech question. It just seems like with a potential recession looming, and tens of thousands of engineers (well maybe they’re not all SWEs) getting laid off and fighting over the handful of job openings, it might be good to have a plan B.
Does anyone have any experience or have heard of others’ switching out for a couple of years before going back? Are there any SWE adjacent jobs that are even hiring? Some ideas-
IT/devops: seems like you still need to train a lot and have the mentality to be on-call, plus people in those fields probably don’t take kindly to being considered a fallback option. OTOH every company needs an IT department so maybe more jobs?
Product manager/project manager/sales engineer/etc.: seems hard to break into unless you’re really working within your org for it, plus with the declining fortunes of this industry, they are probably in the same boat as SWE.
SDET/QA: ditto
So how about other industries? The one I’ve seen that seems promising is patent agent, but the hours seem tough and the pay is lower and the USPTO seems to be facing a reckoning like the rest of the federal government (just look at r/patentexaminer) so sounds like tough times for everybody not just us.
What about data science occupations? How are they doing? Is getting into it like getting into SWE except you do Kaggle exercises instead of Leetcode and there are fewer roles? What’s a business analyst is that the same thing
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
Learn pandas and do consulting for businesses that run on excel. Data cleaning, integration, and analysis is a deep well, and no, "throw it at the AI" doesnt even begin to touch the issues in real operational data.
Just dont try to get then to stop running on excel. Even giving a one time comprehensive report, bulk edit, etc is enough of a value add to get paid and probably have them call you again within a year.
evanescent-despair@reddit (OP)
So that’s what a business analyst is!
ub3rh4x0rz@reddit
Eh I think of business analyst on a spectrum from Tableau jockey to product manager. But yeah most consulting has a business analysis component to it IMO
bombaytrader@reddit
We are already in recession. In a year or two we will be on our way out.
Andrew64467@reddit
I think that’s wishful thinking. The huge taxes on imports to the US are still active, they are likely to suppress the economy for the foreseeable future
bombaytrader@reddit
As soon as bond market flash trouble the tariffs will go away.
Andrew64467@reddit
That sounds plausible. But let’s remember that the US got into this mess because voters believed an unreasonable man would not do certain things because those things are unreasonable. Assuming the same thing again might have the same result.
evanescent-despair@reddit (OP)
Yeah I’m kind of surprised that after the “economy retracted 0.4% in Q1” headline last week there haven’t been more alarm bells going off about recession
sbox_86@reddit
Q1 GDP print was impacted by inventory build which goes on the negative side of the ledger. Q2 should be +2%-3% because the opposite will happen (less spending on inventory). You can look at the other GDP components for tea leaves but the headline number won't print negative twice until Q4 at the earliest.
Look at monthly jobs report and weekly unemployment claims report for better signals.
evanescent-despair@reddit (OP)
Fair enough but isn’t unemployment worrying as well? https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/02/adp-jobs-report-june-2025.html
sbox_86@reddit
ADP will miss the BLS numbers quite wildly sometimes because of the different methodology. I don't put much stock in them.
The claims numbers are more mixed. Initial claims look fine but continuing claims have been creeping higher. If that were to accelerate, it could definitely snowball into a recession, but that's not a certainty.
It's fair to say there's an elevated risk of a recession right now (especially as tariff shocks continue working through the economy), but also remember many analysts in late 2022 said "100% chance of recession" and it never came.
FulgoresFolly@reddit
4.x% unemployment is not worrying
honestly that we're talking about 4.x% as worrying is pretty contrarian
instead of unemployment rate changes or adp reports I would watch initial claims
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ICSA
where if we hit 300k+ and it continues to accelerate, then we have signal that we're entering a downturn
30FootGimmePutt@reddit
Because we have to keep pretending.
If we pretend then nothing is wrong. Sure consumer confidence is down, the dollar is way down, gdp is shrinking a bit, massive layoffs, car loan defaults up, housing market cooling off a ton, etc…
The important thing is big tech is still layoff thousands at all time stock highs and burning billions converting coal into ai slop.
YesIAmRightWing@reddit
probs cause they think its due to the tariffs rather than some systemic problem
PothosEchoNiner@reddit
Your biggest advantage is always going to be as a developer.
evanescent-despair@reddit (OP)
Sure, but right now when you’re up against thousands of laid off FAANG hires???
quentech@reddit
Next time you read about a FAANG laying off thousands of people - go look up how many employees they had in 2 or 5 or 8 years ago and how many they'll have now after the layoffs.
Microsoft announced something like 9000 people laid off this week. They'll still be up like 50,000 compared to 2020.
evanescent-despair@reddit (OP)
The point is outside of these companies there are an increasingly limited number of jobs who these unemployed people would then become candidates for.
Yweain@reddit
Thousands from FAANG are nothing. India produces something like half a million per year.
theyellowbrother@reddit
Most adjacent jobs are affected -- Project Management, QA, Infra, IT support, DevOps, Change management. All of those are affected by economic conditions.
Kaoswarr@reddit
I’d argue those jobs are more affected than SWE’s. When you hear about the layoffs at big tech a lot of those roles will be SWE adjacent too and there’s always way more SWE’s employed anyway.
NotYourMom132@reddit
I feel like it’s really not that hard to find a job if you’re experienced > 5yoe. Most of these worries come from juniors.
30FootGimmePutt@reddit
Took me 6 months to find a crappy job with a decade of experience.
I did get some interviews during that span and I had legit chances to land a job quickly.
Just flibbed them. Wasn’t in the right job hunting mindset.
NotYourMom132@reddit
YMMV but my LinkedIn inbox has never been busy. 7yoe here.
30FootGimmePutt@reddit
This was a couple years ago too.
Careful_Ad_9077@reddit
Less software dev jobs, = less everything else adjacent jobs.
Your best bet is that you were not on a tech company but a product company, so you can work In a white collar job for the product itself. That's how my mates got out of development jobs.
evanescent-despair@reddit (OP)
Any particular industries/products? Or rather what kind of white collar non-dev jobs
Careful_Ad_9077@reddit
That's the thing, if you work as a dev In a Company that is not a tech company , you know the product and the process, so as a company employee,you can also move to the company department that you developed the software for.
for example a friend's wife developed the human resources software for company A, now the human resources manager quit, so the job was between her and the managers assistant and it was the wife who got the job.
colpino@reddit
Tutoring if you're near a college.
cretnikg@reddit
Is the market really that bad? It seems like Europe has plenty open roles right now.
FulgoresFolly@reddit
Sales engineer isn't on the way out, completely different from product/pm
If anything has some of the highest career security on this list if you maintain a healthy book of business
SupermarketNo3265@reddit
But that involves talking to people :(
(I write this as I'm about to join my 7th meeting of the day)
Satoshixkingx1971@reddit
Setting up CRMs or other SaaS tools.
legendsalper@reddit
Solutions architect for the sales team.
Neverland__@reddit
In my experience there are way more SWE in each org than product managers or QA etc it’s still the best job in tech
evanescent-despair@reddit (OP)
True but depends on the tech. Fullstack?
Neverland__@reddit
Any stack. Never worked on a team with any function where there are more then SWEs, plus SWE is the least replaceable function given no one can code but anyone can write requirements
roger_ducky@reddit
Previous times I get stuck I just go to lower paying positions that did enough of the things the employers I plan on going to wanted. Then waited for the positions to open up. Not saying that’ll work consistently unless there’s a lot of work where you are though.
Anxious-Possibility@reddit
A PM i know got laid off, she managed to get a long holiday with the redundancy money and then find a job in like 2 weeks working on really cool tech. I'd definitely become PM if I could
scragz@reddit
someone on another sub was just mentioning they did this and landed a job after looking at IT roles. the pay is unfortunately not enough to cover my mortgage but it's something.