What's the worst episode?
Posted by TicketTop4718@reddit | xena | View on Reddit | 102 comments
I your own opinion, what's the worst episode of XWP?
I have two, Lifeblood because it's a backdoor pilot and it just doesn't work. And also Here she comes Miss Amphipolis, because the "butch girl has to be a beauty princess" trope is so tired! It's been done before Xena and after Xena and it's so dumb to watch.
low_keyLoki@reddit
There are a lot of 'worst episode ever' contenders in season 5. Lifeblood is a good pick—I don't think I've ever rewatched it since it originally aired and I'm not even sure I watched it all the way through back then either. Purity/Back in the Bottle get extra points for being rotten and retroactively tainting the iconic Debt episodes. Punchlines and Little Problems have their defenders but for me they're among the worst filler the show ever produced. A lot of the weaker Xena episodes got by on the -look how much fun the actors are having!!!- factor but the writing in season 5 was just too diabolical for that to be enough anymore.
Married With Fishsticks is to Xena what Beer Bad is to Buffy, i.e., the fandom's designated Worst Episode Representative, but I've always thought there were far more deserving candidates of that title. I'm not going to argue that it's a good episode, but it certainly has more to offer than something like Lifeblood which shamelessly repurposed a failed pilot to save money and fill out an episode order.
Aggravating_Mix8959@reddit
I like Beer Bad. Caveman Buffy is hysterical.
low_keyLoki@reddit
Agreed. It's not even the worst episode that season!
cestlavie_69@reddit
AFIN 2.
Maverick_Mack@reddit
I think both episodes of AFIN was the worse episode and finale.
flynnigan14@reddit
Married with Fishsticks. The funny thing is I love the movie it's based off but I can't stand manipulative Joxer, the horrible accents from Aphrodite and Discord, those weird freaking kids, and making Gabrielle a domestic housewife, something she fought against in her life.
Ok-Change2292@reddit
I love the episode and hate the original film! 😂
flynnigan14@reddit
😂 we all have our preferences!
Pop_Stensbold@reddit
Well people also know here by now I greatly defend Fishsticks. It is SO not the worst episode of the series.
flynnigan14@reddit
It's a matter of opinion. I can't stand it but I really like a lot of episodes that others hate such as Punch Lines and In Sickness and in Hell.
LavenderSprinkles@reddit
I liked the episode as a kid, but I tried rewatching it recently with my partner and we couldn't make it even halfway through. It's a very poorly-written episode (tho I love the set and costume designs and the campy performances, just wish the actors had something better to work with).
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
What movie is it based on?
flynnigan14@reddit
Overboard with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell.
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
Oh yeah, of course. I knew that as well, i'd just forgotten.
PirateJen78@reddit
The Bitter Suite
I absolutely hate musicals, and I didn't buy into a magical singing espide completely repairing the rift between Xena and Gabrielle.
AFIN probably ties it, but I just pretend those episodes don't exist.
gabbertronnnn@reddit
I have nothing against musicals, but this ep is also my pick for the cheap and quick resolution to one of the biggest storylines in the series.
flynnigan14@reddit
Don't look at my Spotify. It's almost embarrassing how much I listen to The Bitter Suite 😂. I'm a huge musical fan, though.
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
It's the power of music man
Overall-Ask-8305@reddit
runs while shouting Bitter Suite
RedwoodFox71@reddit
I hated Bitter Suite as well, not just it a musical. But how Xena and Gabrielle handle their feelings of lies and betrayal, how quickly their relationship was amended it in the end of the episode.
As I hates what Xena did to Gabrielle with that drag, before she try to toss her into the waterfall then kill Gabrielle. Even though it was just her illusia version, it doesn’t take away that Xena intent wanted to kill her best friend.
Before realized what Xena has done to Gabrielle.
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
NOOOOOOOO!
vicariou@reddit
Tsunami. When they get t rapped underwater in the boat. Usually the only one a skip. Which is sad cause it has autolycus
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
I know what you mean, it's a very meh episode isn't it.
mermaidangel1@reddit
The Cinderella fairytale episode was so bad and the only one I dislike. I can’t rewatch it.
Aggravating_Mix8959@reddit
I like the progression of Gabby fiddling with her burlap dress.
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
That one is quite silly
Overall_Sandwich_671@reddit
A Tale of Two Muses was shite.
Aggravating_Mix8959@reddit
Eh, it's harmless. I actually like it better than Footloose. Footloose has some aspects that actively annoy me.
FirefighterThink1556@reddit
My #134 is Back in the Bottle, watching it (and Purity) feels like entering an alternate universe where XWP is a completely different show
low_keyLoki@reddit
Yes, and that show is Hercules. Everyone was written so OOC and the tone was like a bad Power Rangers episode with Xena shooting lasers out of her palms and turning an army into stone. Everything was treated with the levity of a Saturday-morning cartoon which felt so disrespectful to The Debt.
FirefighterThink1556@reddit
This exactly! It really felt like they were trying to turn Xena into Hercules
Pop_Stensbold@reddit
Another episode where I don't understand why it is rubbished so much. One of my favourites and far preferable to me than the overrated The Debt.
FirefighterThink1556@reddit
Would definitely be interested to hear what you like about it.
For me it feels like they waaaayy oversimplified the show to something entirely unrecognizable, it might as well be based on an entirely different premise, or not even that, it feels like it’s in conflict with the premise of XWP as a show, like it wants to turn it into something much less nuanced. I feel like someone said “wouldn’t it be cool if there were explosions in ancient China!” And then made an episode of “generic action tv” centered around that.
Other grievances include but are not limited to: the characters feel completely disconnected from both each other and the story, it starts by contradicting the episode that it’s supposed to be a two parter with and then continues to be logically incongruous, I really don’t appreciate the Lao Ma character assassination that happens across the two parter, Xena somehow seems to have completely forgotten about season 4 and how scary visions of Gabrielle’s death are, Xena murders 100,000 people and no one cares, and Joxer is racist (though more so in Purity). I like the scene where Xena feels Gabrielle’s fear and I like how Gabrielle handles Lin Qi being obsessed with her, that’s about it.
Pop_Stensbold@reddit
Joxer is racist? I seem to remember a scene where he's incredibly kindly to a young chinese girl. Also this army is going to slaughter an entire community of people. How is Xena supposed to stop them? By inviting them for high tea? And let's face it, its not the first time Xena murders if you want to get technical - she did plenty of that with a less moral reason for doing so in her past. Also I never revered the character of Lao Ma - I feel she was more of a manipulator and political game player so i don't feel that she was terribly character assassinated here. There is also a comment from Xena after the defeat of the army that does show she has some feeling about it.
FirefighterThink1556@reddit
The whole two parter is racist, honestly Joxer’s jokes are just the tip of the iceberg on that. There’s a lot of cultural insensitivity on this show, but nothing as mean spirited or unappreciative as this. Xena has spent four seasons establishing that it is not okay for one person to play judge jury and executioner and then murders 100,000 people because “they know too much”. It’s horrific. Yes she had some even worse reasons when she was evil but the entire point of the show is that she’s trying to be better, when she does something morally complicated like this there needs to be some kind of reckoning and of all the things they thought needed to be in this episode, I cannot believe they chose to cut Xena’s moral dilemma, just to make her say “I have no choice”. Lao Ma is not a morally simplistic character, she absolutely is a political manipulator, that’s part of what makes her interesting to me. She also is someone who holds the belief that people are capable of change, that’s kind of the whole point of her story with Xena, and yet these episodes have her basically having decided that two of her children were going to be evil and making shitty plans according to that, instead of doing anything to help them with their dark sides (one of which she apparently created). They also change the nature of her teachings to something dangerous and not worth using, which is one of the instances where the cultural insensitivity comes in. Then in part two of course Xena is allowed to use it this one last time to do one giant murder because she’s the queen of the universe. And the studio mandated attempt at a subtextual boyfriend of the week is honestly just funny to me. Lin Qi follows Gabrielle around and she has to shut him down several times before he (maybe?) gets the point. Renee is a hero for real for insisting they let her stay true to her character.
Kooky_Wear_4909@reddit
Oh you had me until you called The Debt overrated. But I agree; I like Purity and Back in the Bottle
Agent8699@reddit
Married with Fishsticks. Mostly because season 5 had been crying out for a serious episode where Gabrielle explored her complicated feelings about Xena’s mystical pregnancy, Xena’s “miraculous” child which was “fathered” by an other worldly being, etc.
And instead … we get a mashup of Overboard and the Flintstones with mermaids! 🧜♀️ I do like the interpretation of this episode by the Xena: Warrior Podcast trio, with Gabrielle being forced to face her fears about heterosexual / standard family structures, parenting “literal” demonic children (that look like demons), etc. But, it’s still a massive failure for me, despite ROC doing her best to elevate the material.
flynnigan14@reddit
It's my least favorite episode as well but Renee did a great job with the material she was given!
vampyre_fan@reddit
Death Mask. I couldn't take Cortese seriously at all. He's supposed to be the reason why Xena became a warlord, yet he came across as a bumbling fool. The actor who played Xena's brother had no personality at all. I think the episode had potential, yet squandered so much of it.
TellThatDevil@reddit
Agreed. Cortese and Toris were both meh. I also find it funny how the rest of the series Cyrene and Xena seem to forget Toris' entire existence. Like Cyene doesn't have a whole ass other son running around Greece
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
Yeah, and Eve has an uncle somewhere that could have taken her in when Xena and Gabs were asleep
flynnigan14@reddit
I always wonder why they didn't give her to Cyrene.
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
I wondered that too, or why didn't Joxer take her? He would have been a good father to her.
flynnigan14@reddit
Instead the guy they just allied with decided to take her. So dumb.
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
Very dumb
TangledUpPuppeteer@reddit
I think it was a fine episode. I think that they should have waited until they could get actors that had any remote screen presence and ability to read a line in a manner not as wooden as a ship.
Cortes was a bumbling fool, but they needed to get a more serious actor for it. Honestly, the guy that would have made it a great character, and believable as someone who created Xena, would have been the guy that played Ajax.
But then again, I can understand the reason they went the way they did.
By making him a bumbling fool, pretty much the only town he could conquer was Amphipolis. Xena and her brothers stepped up to defend the town. Her one brother died, and set off a reaction much like we see from Callisto. It’s a wound that keeps spreading.
Callisto was forged by Xena. Xena was forged by a bumbling fool. But her connection to her home, her age (which was older than Callisto) and her loss of her brother all swirled inside to make her absolutely a monster. Same as Callisto.
That’s why Xena understands Callisto. The difference is that Callisto had a legitimate enemy — Xena had a moron warlord that was never even worth taking down in the years in between.
But her brother… wow. He was attractive, but that’s it. His 89’s hair, his wooden delivery, his unconvincing anger. Just what the hell were they thinking?!
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
Eww, her older brother! That guy was such a bad actor it was almost funny. I'm glad they barely mention him for the rest of the series.
TangledUpPuppeteer@reddit
He was soooo bad. I have no idea where they got him from. There were a few astoundingly bad actors in the show, but… they were all villains so it was kinda funny and ok. Her brother though — like JEEZ!
I mean, I get it. What were they gonna do? Make Kevin Smith her brother too?! 🤣
IseQween@reddit
Heh, my two nominees for worst actors weren't villains -- the priestess in FORGET ME NOT and "Rhea," the freed captive Gabs takes under her wing in TIES THAT BIND.
TangledUpPuppeteer@reddit
Both are fair.
I’m seeing male faces but can’t place them at this particular moment. Not sure if it’s Herc or Xena… it’s all scrambled (I’m at work so I’m not sure!)
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
The mullet didn't do him any favours either 🤭
TangledUpPuppeteer@reddit
There was a minute where ares had a mullet! It worked for him though 🥵
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
I saw a guy today with a curly mullet
Whyyyyy is the mullet making a comeback! 😫
TangledUpPuppeteer@reddit
Because the classics never fade. No matter how much they should
Pop_Stensbold@reddit
I thought he was ok. That's an episode that grew on me over the years. Apart from the fact Cortese's portrayal doesn't add up to him being such a pivotal changing point in Xena's life I don't think its a bad episode.
10Panoptica@reddit
The scene where Xena reflects on her past and how she got from "defending my village" to "sacking other villages" is pretty compelling. But other than that, I agree. Her brother is whiny and annoying, and Cortese is pretty pathetic for such an influential villain.
EasyEntrepreneur666@reddit
I guess it was a good decision to shift Xena's true creation to Caesar.
doublenerds@reddit
How has this post been up for 3 hours and there has been no mention of Ulysses?
flynnigan14@reddit
Ulysses is my second least favorite episode
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
I like Ulysses
Pop_Stensbold@reddit
The main problem with Ulysses is the character himself. Apart from that there are some good moments in the episode (and another fun Gabrielle dance scene!)
justwanderingtheblog@reddit
Allow me a moment to cheerfully defend Here She Comes, Miss Amphipolis!
It's a very fun, very diverse episode and it predated Miss Congeniality by a fair margin, but more importantly the (for the time) trans-friendly storyline earned Xena its only GLAAD Award nomination. The kiss with AIDS activist Karen Dior, done at Lucy's insistence, was pretty groundbreaking.
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
But it didnt predate The Bionic Woman episode "Bionic Beauty" or the Wonder Woman episode "Beauty on parade"
Diverse yes, original...no
It's just a clichéd plot thats been done before, thats why I don't like it.
aghartakad@reddit
Cliched?? At the 90s? Really? You know it was 1997 when the episode produced right? Trans representation already clichéd at serialized tv? Wow, new Mandela effect I guess
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
I'm not talking about trans representation, i'm taking about the trope of making someone be a beauty queen when they dont want to be.
aghartakad@reddit
Even though there are a lot of "Xena did it first," they tried and copied so many themes from so many things.
It's just strange you founded this clichéd and not for example the 3 stooges humor that exists in every episode. That's been done before. Many many many times
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
Stooges humour is not very often seen in female led series though, they don't usually let the ladies do slapstick.
flynnigan14@reddit
A large amount of Xena episodes are based off of other movies/TV shows.
justwanderingtheblog@reddit
Ah, yes. So clichéd... unlike the rest of Xena....
(The original example of 'butch girl has to be a beauty princess' is, obviously, Achilles on Skyros.)
flynnigan14@reddit
Do people hate this episode??
low_keyLoki@reddit
It's definitely a fan favorite, myself included. It has some of the best comedy writing in the series—"Miss Known Universe" lives rent free in my mind—and as others have mentioned, the messaging was light years ahead of what other shows were doing at the time.
10Panoptica@reddit
I love it & usually see it regarded as one of the better "light" episodes.
LavenderSprinkles@reddit
It's a pretty well-liked episode from what I've seen.
Pop_Stensbold@reddit
I'm not a fan of that episode really.
AvocadoPizzaCat@reddit
not sure, there is one or two every season. Or there are some that need working out the kinks. I think my least favorite episodes are the one where there is this zen dude that turns people into statues and xena just goes straight up feral, and the episodes with na...what's her name, miss cult lady whom ends up later following eli. they felt like back pedals on the characters we love.
Also not sure why you dislike Miss Amphipolis. It isn't so much the butch girl has to be a beauty princess. It is more that xena would be recognized easy if she was the "boss" character whom puts their girl in since that is so close to xena's character in the past. It would mess up the whole "we don't want to be here, but we need to help our friend" trope that xena made popular. That and you know on some level that xena and gabby loved disguises. Plus it made it more clear that the two were in love. Gabby submitted Xena into the girlfriend based beauty contest. That says they are dating.
Rocco1216@reddit
The first 2 episodes of season four are the worse’s in my opinion, the episodes just drag on forever and don’t seem to have the fun, excitement and humor as the rest of the series
Pop_Stensbold@reddit
Yeah I'm not a fan of Sin Trade at all. Gabrielle's absence doesn't help either.
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
I thought that too, it wasn't what I was hoping for after season 3. I think it's the point where the show grew up.
HausCat4@reddit
Lyre Lyre Hearts On Fire
There was no need for another musical episode. I hate the songs and the storyline. Especially the cringe rap that Xena performs. I really wish we had a good episode in its place. I would’ve much preferred the episode/script that never made it with Sappho. That would’ve been fun to watch I think.
Pop_Stensbold@reddit
I'm kind of glad the Sappho story never saw air. It was really bad fanfic.
indiehussle_chupac@reddit
MISS KNOWN WORLD IS HILARIOUS and a transwoman won. literally epic
Sighoward@reddit
King Con! Although the India arc and Back in the Bottle are also awful!
EasyEntrepreneur666@reddit
Fin. I could write an essay why it's a failed finale, and that's without Xena's death added to it.
supermouse627@reddit
Ive only seen it once and that was when it originally aired and I'm still mad about it
EasyEntrepreneur666@reddit
No wonder, it was an insult.
ChippieChamp@reddit
It was a definitely an insult.
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
It still hurts 😢
Pop_Stensbold@reddit
I think everybody here knows by now my worst episode is In Sickness and In Hell closely followed by Lifeblood and Maternal Instincts.
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
In sickness and in hell is funny though!
Pop_Stensbold@reddit
Not my kind of humour, sorry. I actively dislike gross out or bodily function comedy.
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
Fair enough
Kooky_Wear_4909@reddit
Maybe I’m dumb but even the worst episode of Xena is still an episode of Xena. A bad day of Xena is a better day than the best of anything else
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
True
BlueSonic85@reddit
I rewatched Lifeblood recently and it's not completely without merit. Danielle Cormack and Claudia Black are both solid. It doesn't make up for the nonsensical Xena plot and any scene where Selma Blair dances makes me want to die of cringe, but I no longer consider it the worst ever episode.
Send in the Clones is unfunny and irritating. A Good Day is technically pretty good but it bores the arse off me.
IseQween@reddit
I agree with you about the merits of LIFEBLOOD. It's my worst in the context of XWP, inserted for purposes that had nothing to do with the series and, for me, only garbled an already confusing Amazon storyline.
TicketTop4718@reddit (OP)
A Good Day is soooo dull, you're right
Pop_Stensbold@reddit
A Good Day I feel on the totally opposite front is an incredibly powerful episode with some really dramatic fight scenes and some more heartbreaking acting from Renee. Curious how that one could be labelled as boring.
Lakinther@reddit
Outside of the ones already mentioned, i found "Deja Vu All Over Again" to be very boring. Its placed right after " The Ides of March ", very anticlimactic season finale.
Pop_Stensbold@reddit
That one is fun. And I can't hate an episode Renee directed.
zombiefishgirl@reddit
Married with Fishsticks. It did not help that I was severely dehydrated and already hallucinating when I first saw it (long story)
ThrowRA_beach6210@reddit
Not really an episode but the long line of Gabrielle’s revolving door boyfriends that she fell deeply in love with every other ep got so tired after awhile. Like I get it was the 80’s but just let xena have her gf 😭
BlueSonic85@reddit
90s 🙂