You think all is done just because you believe your little models a bit too much.

I'm 63 years old. I don't think we should give up.

But I'm not an idiot either. We've know about the greenhouse effect for almost 200 years, and all that time, we knew that if we put enough CO2 into the atmosphere, we would heat the planet.

Starting when I was young, scientists started pointing out that we were on a path to massive, devastating climate change, and started to give timetables.

We as a society responded to that by exponentially increasing our emissions without break for over fifty years.

We are now seeing first hand the effects of these emissions. America had an election last year - neither the environment nor climate change were in the top twenty most important issues to Americans: https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx

Even most individuals who pretend to believe in the climate crisis aren't willing to make the slightest personal effort to mitigate it. Ignoring Kant's Categorical Imperative, they claim that their personal actions in contributing to this catastrophe entail no blame. They point at government and business and say, "It's their responsibility entirely and not ours" - while they make it entirely clear to government that the environment is not important for them, and happily consume products of these businesses without the slightest guilt.

Individuals point at government and business; business points at government and individuals; government points at individuals and business; nothing gets done.

And in that election, America voted for a prominent climate denier who is now tearing down all the American institutions which were at least measuring the issue.

I still don't own a car; still don't fly; still don't eat meat; still don't have kids; I still engage in boycotts; I do all these things because I believe that the actions of individuals are all there is, because I want to set an advantage, and because I want to reduce my personal moral responsibility.

But about ten years ago I stopped being able to see any even vaguely plausible path where we didn't burn most of the fossil fuels and with it, our ecosystem.

Now, you don't seem to be trying to give anyone hope. You aren't giving any sort of rational argument as to how things aren't that bad; you aren't figuring out how we can band together and act, fight the fossil fuel companies, convince our leaders not to kill the planet.

What's your solution? To question the science while personally attacking another poster!

You think all is done just because you believe your little models a bit too much. I myself am also a modeler, but have enough of an understanding that we simply don't know every aspect of every model, especially the models with a social component such as IAMs.

Surely by now you must have noticed that the big problem with our models is not that they are exaggerating the problem, but they are too conservative! There's a reason that "Faster than expected" is a running joke here - it's that some large portion of the climate catastrophe articles include some phrase that means, "Science predicted this, except it wasn't supposed to happen for decades."

So it's total bullshit that the only hope you give is that the models are wrong. You don't explain how, exactly, our society can emit two trillion tons of CO2, and continue emitting exponentially increasing amounts of CO2, and not boil our ecosystem, even though the fact that CO2 captures heat energy has been known for almost 200 years. You just say, "you believe your little models a bit too much," and that's it for your "refutation" of the original poster.

Oh, except for the personal insults of course.