Why are Americans more hostile to the concept of a redistributive social welfare system than Europeans?
Posted by correct_the_econ@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 86 comments
It always shocks me the American paradoxical attitude of "Keep your government hands off my social security" or the smug contempt many Americans have to those recieving some sort of government benefit. American politicans talk about poor people in a way unheard of in France. With the passage of the BBB you'd never hear a French politican snear that the '35 year olds living in their moms basement have to go get jobs now'. Having lived abroad in France, a country with probably the most generous welfare state in the developed world, I don't see this American attitude that people who recieve government benefits are some undeserving 'other'. Sure they grumble about taxes, but most people like the heavily subsidized systems here.
the_real_JFK_killer@reddit
Americans in general have a much more individualistic attitude than Europeans. This is seen in politics, and many other places. This is not a good or bad thing, just a cultural difference.
correct_the_econ@reddit (OP)
I feel like that explination kind of falls flat because other more individualistic countries i.e Canada, UK or Australia have national healthcare and more comprehensive welfare systems than the US, although they tend to be less than their contential euro counterparts.
QuarterNote44@reddit
Most people are resistant to change. The crazy thing is that most Americans have good healthcare, they like their healthcare, and they are wary of government taking it away and giving them something worse. Not saying they're right. Maybe they are, maybe not.
throwfarfaraway1818@reddit
This is not true- most Americans have extremely poor healthcare, though they do often like it, for some reason. The majority of people dont have a PCP or have an annual visit, have a strong understanding of how insurance works, or have access to consistent, high quality healthcare.
HeySandyStrange@reddit
Source?
seldom_seen8814@reddit
I feel like the US, although extremely similar to Canada, is still a lot more individualistic. The same goes for Australia. I think that if you’d look at mainstream American conservatism (not MAGA) and Canadian/Australian conservatism, you would find that order is more important to Canadians/Australians, while freedom and individualism would be more important to American conservatism.
correct_the_econ@reddit (OP)
The american police state is one of the largest, highest funded if you look at funding across federal and state level, across the western world. Not to mention the American judical system incarerates a higher percentage of it's poplation and has some of the longest sentences in the developed world.
MmmIceCreamSoBAD@reddit
Where did this comment even come from?
I hate when people just come here with a thinly veiled question looking for an opportunity to preach to Americans about why they're wrong or bad or stupid.
correct_the_econ@reddit (OP)
It's not preaching. You can't claim freedom and invidualism is important while enacting policies that are the opposite of those principles. So either it's hypocrasy or a different revealed preference.
IHaveALittleNeck@reddit
Right. In the UK, you can kidnap and murder a baby as a teenager and get out at 18 and start a whole new life with a new identity. I’m liberal AF but I’m glad that shit doesn’t fly here.
seldom_seen8814@reddit
Actually, the incarceration rate has been dropping, and I would say that the police state is something that came about after 9/11 due to bipartisan paranoia. I don’t disagree, I just think it’s rooted in something less ideological.
IHaveALittleNeck@reddit
I’ve lived in Australia. Their culture is less individualistic by far.
Krusty_Krab_Pussy@reddit
The US is even more individualistic. To some people ANY tax dollars going to someone else's medical needs is unnecessary and wasteful. (I'm also from the UK, I just live in the US)
plshelpcomputerissad@reddit
Exactly it’s “why should ‘I’pay for your xyz, why aren’t you handling your own shit”, is a very common attitude here. Though as you’d expect there are a lot of hypocrites who act that way and then feel it’s deserved when they, specifically, fall on hard times. Kinda like the whole “the only moral abortion is my abortion” thing. (I know I just opened a whole nother can of worms with that comparison but oh well)
Infamous_Towel_5251@reddit
We're actually a lot more individualist than those countries.
copious_cogitation@reddit
I wouldn't consider any of those countries to be super individualistic, at least from an American perspective.
ginamegi@reddit
Those 3 countries are all a part of the Commonwealth and recognize the (mostly symbolic) rule of the British monarchy right? Thats counter culture to the USA which has a very anti-government history and lack of trust for centralized power. This carries forward into all the things you’ve mentioned like healthcare and social welfare.
the_real_JFK_killer@reddit
I strongly disagree that those countries are more individualistic than the us. Especially the UK and Canada, not even close (although more individualistic than Europeans). Australia is closer to us than the others, but I'd still argue is less individualistic.
Davenport1980@reddit
I would not classify Canada, UK, or Australia as individualistic countries.
Gold_Telephone_7192@reddit
We have a different culture than those countries.
FlappyClap@reddit
I think it’s fear. We’re constantly told socialism should be opposed, lest we end up like Soviet Union and worse.
The recently elected New York City mayor, Zohran Mamdani, was labeled a radical socialist by Fox News for wanting rent freezes, taxing the ultra wealthy, building affordable housing, fare free buses, no cost childcare, etc.
That’s not individualism at play. An individual can come to their own conclusions were it not for fear and manipulation.
Zohran Mamdani is a Democratic Socialist, not a socialist. There’s a significant difference. So, why label him as a radical socialist if not fear and manipulation?
BringBackApollo2023@reddit
I’m pretty sure that this is a bad thing by any reasonable definition of a functional society.
Homeless? Sucks to be you.
Hungry? Sucks to be you.
Not paid enough to survive in your region by a rich businessman? Sucks to be you.
Dying of a curable disease because you’re not wealthy? Sucks to be you.
Employer healthcare has you trapped in a bad job? Sucks to be you.
Climate change consequences burned down/flooded/tornadoes your house? Sucks to be you.
Species teetering on the edge of extinction? Sucks to be you.
School kid in Uvalde, Columbine, etc.? Sucks to be you.
And on and on and on.
That’s not society. That’s sociopathic.
SirPonix@reddit
A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge.
Sabertooth767@reddit
French people are significantly poorer than Americans, on average. The less wealth you have, the more attractive wealth redistribution is.
In other words, France has a lot more 35-year-olds living with their parents.
squidwardsdicksucker@reddit
The median adult in France is wealthier than in the US.
NobodyNamedMe@reddit
Median wealth in france is $112,157 vs $192,700 in the US so...
squidwardsdicksucker@reddit
Mind sharing your source on that?
Every source I’ve seen says otherwise including the UBS global wealth report
https://www.ubs.com/global/en/wealthmanagement/insights/global-wealth-report/_jcr_content/root/contentarea/mainpar/toplevelgrid_5684475/col_1/innergrid/col_2/actionbutton.1872006916.file/PS9jb250ZW50L2RhbS9hc3NldHMvd20vc3RhdGljL25vaW5kZXgvZ3dyLTIwMjUtZGlnaXRhbC11cGRhdGVkLnBkZg==/gwr-2025-digital-updated.pdf#page7
Page 18 will show median and mean wealth per adult by country
NobodyNamedMe@reddit
My US number is coming from the fed.
https://thehill.com/homenews/4290971-heres-the-average-net-worth-of-americans-by-age-how-do-you-stack-up/
That ubs report is the most god awful financial report I've ever read. It's a narrative driven sales page for economically illertate people to feel good about someone managing their money.
ZealousidealBoard595@reddit
source?
squidwardsdicksucker@reddit
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/wealth-per-adult-by-country
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-top-20-countries-by-average-vs-median-wealth/
https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/the-50-countries-with-the-highest-median-wealth-per-capita/
Obligatory reminder for everyone here that while the US may have one of the highest mean wealths per adult, we have much higher levels of income inequality than other developed nations. This means that mean measurements are going to be skewed and it is always better to look at median to get a more realistic picture.
Secondly, while GDP per capita can be useful to gauge how wealthy people are, it is not the end all be all of judging how wealthy a populace is, it doesn’t take into account income inequality or special economic situations such as what we see in Ireland where on paper the average Irishman must be loaded but if we look at median wealth, they’re not that high up.
colepercy120@reddit
all this means is france is better at savings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income
By median disposable income per adult, adjusted for PPP, America comes in at 50% higher than France.
ZaphodG@reddit
Wealth is not the best metric because saving and investing is cultural. The savings rate in the United States is lousy.
I live in Massachusetts. Median household income here is 6 figures. I’m largely insulated from red state absurdities.
HeySandyStrange@reddit
Source?
squidwardsdicksucker@reddit
See above comment
Professional-Pungo@reddit
I don't know France, but I do know the median income for US was supposedly 40k (in 2022), being nearly 60k if you look at just full-time workers and not part time workers.
meaning the median income in France would have to be higher than 34k euros to pass. is that true?
anglerfishtacos@reddit
There’s two big things to understand about the way America is right now that I think helps explain a lot of it. First, while the civil rights act and other laws prevent outright discrimination based on race and other factors, America is still extremely segregated. Second is the role that the just world fallacy plays in a lot of these mentalities that certain Americans have.
Taking segregation first: while metropolitan areas are more diverse and consequently tend to be more liberal and desiring of social programs, much of America lives in suburbs, rural areas, or other areas where pretty much everyone in town looks like them and is similar to them. People tend to have friends that are their same race and economic status. Because fair housing standards and the like didn’t come about until only several decades ago, most property is owned by white Americans. As a result, it is still extremely common to have areas of the country where everyone in a town is white. Because of the disadvantages presented by black Americans before housing and loan discrimination laws, a disproportionate amount of black Americans own property in poorer counties and neighborhoods. Don’t get me wrong, plenty of white Americans live there as well, and they get discriminated by other rights as well as as being “white trash” because of their socioeconomic status. So when you don’t live near anybody that’s a different race or socioeconomic status than you, and the ones that you do know live in areas of town that you never set foot in, you come to stereotype and also make certain conclusions about those that are in those spaces. Assumptions get made, even simple things like the reason why there aren’t nice lawns in the poorer areas of town is because people are lazy and don’t care about the neighborhood, when the real answer is people don’t have the time or funds to keep up with a grass lawn. The civil rights act happened in the 60s and affirmative action was a thing until it was recently struck down by the Supreme Court, and there’s a lot of white conservatives who think that black Americans should’ve caught up by now because of the “reverse racism” though anyone who has played a game on Monopoly knows that that is pretty much impossible when one player has been allowed to take 100 turns before another player is allowed to do anything.
Why am I bringing up a race so much when there are plenty of white people that take advantage of social programs and by far the largest percentage of groups on food stamps are children in the elderly? It’s because people have a tendency to support programs when they feel like it’s people like them that take advantage or would see the benefit. Much of the social programs that we have today were passed as part of FDR’s new deal and white Americans were very supportive of it when they believe it was people like them that would receive the benefit. However, it has been documented in studies that many white Americans drop their support for social safety nets when they learn that minorities are the ones taking advantage. People generally as a whole do stereotype, and the influence of those stereotypes can ramp up when you don’t have friends or people that you personally know that belong to minority groups that are not you. You don’t have exposure to some of the things that those people deal with, and unless you seek it out, it is much harder to put yourself in those persons shoes.
So with this lack of exposure to other individuals also brings in what it can be known as the just world fallacy. So the fallacy goes that in a perfectly just world, if you do things the right way, and follow the rules, you will be rewarded with a secure life. And if you don’t follow the rules, Van, you will not have a comfortable life. So whether or not you have the type of life that you want is entirely dictated by your choices. What many people that hold this mentality don’t like to think about is the fact that they could one day be a person that is in need of those services. In their mind, they followed the rules and they did everything right, so they will not be people that will be needing to rely on the public. But, if that day, whatever arise, then it is their circumstances that made it to where they need the services and thus they are deserving. In a just world, because circumstances outside their control led them to poverty, they are deserving of the services and support. But when they look on people who they feel are undeserving, who they tell themselves are just lazy, don’t feel like getting a job, have money but spend it all on drugs, or some other kind of propaganda, then they instead believe that a person’s poverty is a factor of their character. They are poor because they are people that don’t work hard and didn’t make the sacrifices that you did, so if they are now unable to buy food for their families, then it is their own fault. It’s why they will support policies like drug testing for certain benefits, even though the admin costs of drug testing exceed the cost savings from denying benefits to an addict— to them, the costs of these tests to determine a person’s worthiness is worth it. These are the kinds of people that will readily vote for and cheer stripping away social services, and then be completely gobsmacked and astounded that when they need the services, a special exception is not made for them.
You hear it called rugged individualism, and that is true. But really it comes down to the logical fallacy that if you do everything right, then you are guaranteed to be OK, and if you don’t, then it’s your fault that you’re in the situation that you are in. This is why they support Social Security, but at the same time want to strip Medicare and welfare. For Social Security, they worked during their life and paid into the system so in their mind, they did what they were supposed to do and they deserve their payout because they have earned it. Meanwhile, for other kinds of programs, they believe the person did not do what they were supposed to do and instead of just being lazy or trying to rely on government to take care of them instead of taking care of themselves like they believe they had to and did.
There’s a bit more to it, of course, and lots of various nuances. But it really comes down to that. If you are doing poorly, then that is a consequences of who you are as a person and your character. If they themselves find a need for social services, it is entirely because of their own individual circumstances outside their control and not anything to do with their morality or who they are as people.
I will conclude with the final note that I mentioned people in metropolitan areas tend to be more blue and it’s because of exposure to people that are different than them and understanding that sometimes life just deals people a shitty hand. This is also why you hear the same kinds of conservative people scream about how colleges indoctrinate students to become liberals and it really isn’t in that. It’s that college is often the first time that many of these young adults are being exposed to individuals who come from very different places than they do and circumstances than they do and they are able to gain the perspective that comes from listening to other people stories and realize that the world is not so binary and the stories behind poverty are way more complicated than someone being “good” or “bad”.
IHaveALittleNeck@reddit
No question containing the phrase “smug contempt” could possibly be asked in good faith.
Menace_17@reddit
Just the individualism that most people have. Just a cultural thing
Kman17@reddit
It’s two really simple things:
First and foremost, it’s scale.
Europe runs all its social programs at the member state level. That’s a size and level of government equivalent to a U.S. state.
Now imagine if you will the Europeans tried to run all their redistribution and social welfare centrally through the European Union. French money doesn’t stay in the France; it’s funneled via Brussels to Romania and decided by the European Parliment.
Do you think Europe would possibly agree on that?
There you go.
The second thing that’s somewhat related to scale is that America is far more diverse. When you have people with the same values, same history, same language - you immediately believe the will behave like you and, thus, not abuse the system.
When you have really divergent values and cultures, you are less trusting that your goodwill is being used. I mean, look at the grumblings murmuring in Europe about exploitation of the welfare system by recent migrants.
Crank that diversity way up, and you get the U.S.
Scale and diversity have many advantages, but they do work against social welfare.
When your tax money goes to people like you in your city (or a metro area down the street), you trust that it’s being put to good use. Because you see it being put to good use, and the systems are super accountable to you.
That’s what many European countries are - like 6-10 million people, one metro area.
Once your money is shipped 3,000 miles away to an entirely different group of people that are nothing like you and you do not see their day to day to day, you stop trusting the system is working. Because you can’t see it and it’s not acceptable to you.
Background_Humor5838@reddit
This has been the most coherent response I've seen so far.
psychocabbage@reddit
I lived in St Ouen L'Aumone for a year. Saw tons of people complain about their free schooling and social programs. There was a protest seemingly every other week.
The people working low skilled jobs often had several jobs much like here.
The difference, they will never have opportunity to get out of their lot in life. Here you can grind hard and get pretty darn far. But you have to be willing to put the time into the grind.
While I enjoyed visiting France for years after I lived there it's never a place I would have owned land in.
Thats why my Ranch is in Texas.
We probably saw two very different versions of the country and it's people.
correct_the_econ@reddit (OP)
You have an interesting perspective because you're an American who's lived abroad. I found the healthcare system to be significantly better than anything in the states and a lot cheaper, same for the higher education system which is basically free. I live in Clermont-Ferrand a small city and the people here are satisfied with the Carde Vital and the CAF (rental subsidy) that they get. You're right that it's harder to get full time employment due to structural economic factors, but the proliferation of insecure contracts has been due to neoliberal market reforms. I mean social mobility is lower in the United States than in France, even though France does have a problem of low social mobility.
o93mink@reddit
Because we don’t want to live in France and cut our per capita GDP in half
correct_the_econ@reddit (OP)
Your GDP per capita is higher because you worked longer hours, when you adjust for ppp and by gdp per hour worked euro countries come a lot closer to matching you. Not to mention they're other countries that are close to your per capita income that have significantly expanded welfare systems i.e the nordic countries or Australia.
o93mink@reddit
Close doesn’t count except in horseshoes and h bombs, and we invented both of those
SirPonix@reddit
He said also to the man who had invited him, “When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”
o93mink@reddit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_charitable_donation_as_percentage_of_GDP
Tell that to France
blueshifting1@reddit
What’s the point if it all goes to bombs and billionaires?
o93mink@reddit
Well since our median household income is 33% higher, it ain’t all just going to bombs or billionaires chief.
But you’re welcome to move there if you’re jonesing for a pay cut.
willtag70@reddit
Those who benefit most from our system control the political and media messaging, and too many citizens are unable to see outside that blizzard of propaganda. There's a pervasive bias and demonization of those most in need, just as there is with a number of minority groups and non-citizens. Also empathy is not valued, it's seen more as a weakness. Another factor is competitiveness, it's the oxygen and blood of capitalism, and adds to the individualism that divides more than unites. Redistribution or taxation are seen as what's taken from me, not as investments with a return for the mutual benefit of all. As with religion people tend to adopt the beliefs of those that surround them, and that's been the culture that's developed from the heterogeneous strivers who left their countries of origin to come here.
barbiegirl2381@reddit
Rooted in two reasons: Puritanism and Diversity.
BurritoBowlw_guac@reddit
I think, due to deeply rooted capitalism, Americans are more driven by money. They value hard workers, smart and resourceful people, and admire those traits. Consequently they have a dim view of those that aren’t. Plenty of Americans value and practice charity, but it’s seen as “charity”
da_chicken@reddit
The form of social darwinism that took root here was intensely capitalist. I mean, there's a lot of people here that took Ayn Rand seriously. It's not a philosophy that's compatible with collectivism in any form.
HorseFeathersFur@reddit
Americans have been boosting Europe’s ability to pay for socialized medicine by providing military strength so you wouldn’t need to.
JohnMarstonSucks@reddit
I've known a lot of people who abuse the welfare system that we have now and know that a more comprehensive system would simply increase the number of useless piles of shit people that we have.
Tommy_Wisseau_burner@reddit
No. Americans aren’t more hostile towards it. It’s the same issues that the EU has with governance has, but states have more ironed out to be more cooperative in some aspects. When people talk about European countries being like states they mean that both in geographic size and how they function within the EU. The EU can’t even muster up a collective army and have infighting around business locations between countries. At certain sizes, population wise and geographically, allocating finances becomes extremely difficult when you have multiple different structures of government
Seattleman1955@reddit
Not everyone is the same. European countries are smaller, historically more social oriented and people like their "security".
The US is a large country and not everyone is the same. It's more like several mini-countries and not everyone agrees with each other. The US, in general, is more into individualism and risk/reward oriented.
If you are more like the EU, you move to SF, Portland or Seattle. Otherwise you move to Texas.
It doesn't work to expect everyone to want the same things. I live in Seattle but economically would be more at home in Texas I guess.
HeySandyStrange@reddit
I’d also point out that many European countries have being fairly homogeneous until the last 100 years (or less). So along with having smaller populations, that probably haven’t dealt with as many different viewpoints forming.
uncle-brucie@reddit
All actual culture has been successfully replaced with buying garbage.
Jaqen-Atavuli@reddit
Let's see. Rule 1, Rule 6, and Rule 15.
copious_cogitation@reddit
Because there are a lot of opportunities to make a lot of money in the US, and if one is not able to earn enough money to take care of oneself, one is often seen as likely irresponsible or lazy in some way.
With the attitude you mentioned toward entitlement programs, many (especially older) people feel like they were forced to pay into the programs so they don't want the government to use those funds for other things, jeopardizing the people who paid into them seeing the promised benefit of them.
Professional-Pungo@reddit
Americans are more individual caring. that's why lots prefer bigger houses, away from neighbors, this also involves welfare.
Lots of people ask "why pay money for something that I, or anyone I know, are not using?"
SirPonix@reddit
For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, "You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land."
Professional-Pungo@reddit
is that some weird bible verse or something?
I'm not religious
LivingLikeACat33@reddit
Propaganda. I was literally taught in school (as a child with no health insurance) about how awful and dangerous universal healthcare is. They told me about it at doctor's appointments to make my parents feel better about struggling to pay.
At least we weren't like Canada. You'd die on an organ transplant list waiting for a specialist because it went by need instead of by who could pay!
People say the church should handle it, or people are abusing the system, or it's all corrupt or their tax money is going to unworthy people (drug addicts, single moms of multiple children, minorities, anyone else white people might be scared of). It's all a bunch of BS.
timbotheny26@reddit
Because as a country, we're ultra-individualist and very selfish.
HeySandyStrange@reddit
Honestly, I think the by your own bootstraps mindset is more of a thing with older generations, and certain very conservative elements in the US. I see that in a lot of my millennial cohort and younger, more people leaning away from the whole bootstraps American dream ideal, since it is no longer very achievable.
I would also say it is not always the welfare programs people have a problem with, but the mismanagement of said programs by the government that annoys people. I’m fine paying taxes, but I’d like to see them put to better use.
Maxgallow@reddit
Social security is not as much of a benefit as an earned income you have paid into (mostly). It could be argued people would do better with money market, but that is another topic. Americans have a cultural bias to hard work, hard play, and if you can work you should. Taking money from other taxpayers when you can work is generally speaking, not admired. Even if people won’t say it out loud, many Americans feel welfare should be a temporary helping hand and not a way of life. This is a generalized observation on culture and not necessarily my personal opinion.
Imightbeafanofthis@reddit
People will tell you it's because Americans are rugged individualists. This is a myth. The real reason is that America is a capitalist system. Anything that drags money out of an individual's pocket is considered bad because it takes money away from whatever capitalist endeavor they're involved in. Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is roughly 10% of Americans are self employed or run a business as their chief means of support. In short, it's a myth. But it is one that is perpetuated by Americans rich and poor. Because America is the one place where a man can pull himself up by his own bootstraps dontcherknow, and through hardwork and dedication, he can make a name for himself in the world. But people in need....? They're just bums.
14Calypso@reddit
Why do I get the feeling that this was not asked in good faith?
colepercy120@reddit
It's fundamentally opposed to the ideals America was founded on. We have never been very good at following those ideals, but "all men are created equal" is part of the founding ethos. American culture has been one of abundance for centuries. The land was so good that the only way you failed to get by and leave your kids better than you was if you actively failed. American culture treats poverty as a failure because, in the olden days, the government would literally give away vast swaths of the country, and anyone with enough determination could make it rich. As such, we prioritize equality of opportunity over equality of outcome.
Popular_Sir_9009@reddit
"The land was so good that the only way you failed to get by and leave your kids better than you was if you actively failed."
This is so disrespectful to the blood, sweat, tears, and death of the millions of people who built this country. You have a cartoonish understanding of history.
PoliticalJunkDrawer@reddit
Most people on social security spend their life working and paying into the system. So, they defend it.
Well, they should get a job or their parents can support their needs. Can't expect people to pay a significant portion of their income to afford their own insurance, food, etc, and just accept able bodied people, who refuse to work at all, getting benefits meant for genuinely poor and disabled folks.
PrestigiousAd9825@reddit
Decades upon decades of propaganda - our Overton window is shifted way off to the right
shibby3388@reddit
Racism has a lot to do with it.
Blue387@reddit
Right wing and conservative Americans don't reflect all of us
Particular_Owl_8029@reddit
thats mostly the rich think that way
Afromolukker_98@reddit
As a Gen Z. For one, I don't trust our State government and especially now I don't trust our Federal government.
This country's core is so money driven, the money goes into leadership pockets with false promises.
For me it really takes seeing politicians with good ideas that make actions that I can feel.
signalsgt71@reddit
Because a lot of Americans don't think about (or care) where their tax dollars go unless they think they're the ones losing out on some sort of government program.
Source - Am American
SnooChipmunks2079@reddit
Republican politicians are gross people who win by making their supporters feel superior to the people they’re hurting.
DOMSdeluise@reddit
I am not hostile to it. money in the bag please.
misagale@reddit
brain washing
liamstrain@reddit
Propaganda and holdovers from the cold war, mostly.
Infamous_Towel_5251@reddit
We're both individualists and capitalists.
CuppaJoe11@reddit
Americans view their independence and requirement to be so as something they need to keep.
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