Boeing 747SP photograph taken over the Cascade mountains in Washington during one of its first test flights in July 1975 before it was certified
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MtHiker77@reddit
I work on the 747 SP in my early days at Boeing staring in the late 70's. Interesting build as the wings are beefed up ( I was a wing spar mechanic )
craftyhall2@reddit
That growth phase where you’re still a tad kid-chubby, your adult teeth are a bit too big for your not-adult-yet jaw. It’s all going to come together, but you’re getting used to growing up.
1_tommytoolbox@reddit
Comically proportioned
1_tommytoolbox@reddit
Thomas the tank engine
aye246@reddit
Such a big boi tail
AsanineTrip@reddit
Even taller than a normal 747 I believe.
KAM1KAZ3@reddit
Like the A380!
CptnHamburgers@reddit
One of those lumbered over the motorway as I was stuck in traffic this morning. It's instantly identifiable from how bloody massive its tail looks.
Go_Loud762@reddit
Needed it because the arm is so short.
Dangerous-Salad-bowl@reddit
“Tail volume”
Kaiisim@reddit
Thumbo Jet
1_tommytoolbox@reddit
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/8a10sfaqhgptw10jw65xl/thomas-the-tank.webp?rlkey=fsjo1lafbclmthvmuqk8yg0bb&st=gkcsi9oi&dl=0
1_tommytoolbox@reddit
https://media.hswstatic.com/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJjb250ZW50Lmhzd3N0YXRpYy5jb20iLCJrZXkiOiJnaWZcL2hvdy10aG9tYXMtdGhlLXRhbmstZW5naW5lLXdvcmtzLTEuanBnIiwiZWRpdHMiOnsicmVzaXplIjp7IndpZHRoIjoyOTB9fX0=
Biomas@reddit
so big yet so smol
Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit
It's like one of those dogs with a spine that isn't long enough
G25777K@reddit
One of the best commercial airliners variants ever made the airlines didn't need. I always thought and dreamed I would own one lol
nobodyisfreakinghome@reddit
What happened to the middle of the plane?
wolftick@reddit
Tomy 747
Mr_Auric_Goldfinger@reddit
You can walk right up to one (ex: SOFIA flying telescope) at Pima Air Museum/Tucson. Last time I saw it in person, the fans weren't tied down so all of them were windmilling.
ReturnOfTheSaint14@reddit
Man the SOFIA was probably one of the best airplane variants ever built. Not only regarding the technical standpoint and the milestone it achieved,even the simple concept of "hey let's put an IR telescope on a plane and let's fly it at 13k metres so that we don't have any interference with clouds and humidity"
I always loved it and the fact they removed it from service on my birthday was an excruciating pain
Ornery_Year_9870@reddit
It's sad that it was defunded. That's the only reason SOFIA was retired. The plane was maintained in immaculate condition and it was not finished doing good science. But it's done, and it's on display. The Germans came and took away most of the telescope hardware like the mirror.
I don't think Pima ties down any of the fans. I guess there's no harm in them windmilling. I'll ask, but it occurs to me that as long as they keep moving, birds and bees aren't gonna build nests in there.
ReturnOfTheSaint14@reddit
SOFIA was one of the main contributors to confirm the presence of water on the Moon and on Mars, something extremely difficult here on Earth simply because even the telescope on the highest mountain ever will see traces of water and therefore can't distinguish the signal from the noise. But with SOFIA that thing was now possible.
As always,we lose the best things simply because we value them in terms of money
i8TheWholeThing@reddit
I was there in January and they were still windmilling.
Independent-Mix-5796@reddit
^(Jumbo Jet)
Phil-X-603@reddit
^(Queen of the Skies)
GuyfromKK@reddit
Stubby queen
shimanoisthrowaway@reddit
Short queen.
HortenWho229@reddit
Chode queen
dsf097nb@reddit
the short bus version
stalequeef69@reddit
As opposed to #JUMBO JET
BaboTron@reddit
“We need the smallest biggest airplane ever. Or the biggest smallest. Just make it look weird.”
Acc87@reddit
Highest performance. Same wing, fuel tanks and engines for a much smaller fuselage.
Wikipedia even still calls it the highest flying conventional airliner. Could reach FL450.
Ornery_Year_9870@reddit
Also longest range.
Funkytadualexhaust@reddit
How much more efficient are the modern engines compared to those old timey ones?
LearningDumbThings@reddit
Way.
Acc87@reddit
Did you factor in 4 engines vs just 2?
LearningDumbThings@reddit
TSFC is fuel consumption per unit of thrust, so it doesn’t matter how many engines there are, only how much thrust. Coincidentally, the 747SP and A350-1000 have almost identical total takeoff thrust: 192k (48000 x4) vs 194k (97000 x2).
Funkytadualexhaust@reddit
I wonder about total range increase at max fuel as well for 747
Shoegazer75@reddit
One of the last ones is sitting at the old TWA overhaul base in KC.
flapsmcgee@reddit
https://www.747sp.com/747sp-production-list/
According to this, out of the 45 built, only 18 have been scrapped.
Scarecrow_Folk@reddit
There's a few listed as 'Destroyed' too. Most are listed as 'Stored' though so while might not be technically scrapped... Flying status probably dubious.
TheTurdFerguson6@reddit
I was geeking out when I noticed it sitting there a few months ago and my wife had no idea why I cared so much about a plane that doesn’t fly anymore.
TheGacAttack@reddit
Really? Is it part of a museum or preservation group?
Shoegazer75@reddit
Aviation Technical Services is the name of the company that currently owns the old overhaul base. The 747 is on their property and is one of TWA's old SPs.
justredditinit@reddit
The same ATS that was based out of Everett Field in Seattle?
bballaban@reddit
Did you mean Paine Field in Everett?
justredditinit@reddit
You're absolutely right. I was tired
TheGacAttack@reddit
Thanks!
BlackVQ35HR@reddit
It's not the size of the twin isle jet.
It's the take off performance in hot humid weather that matters most.
amand8@reddit
Saw one long time ago at Heathrow. Was Iran Air
onethousandmonkey@reddit
This is basically the same as the A-380, except that is the only version Airbus made. Contrary to the Queen that has had a very long and successful reign!
wileysegovia@reddit
Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Cold_Flow4340@reddit
One of most absurd looking powerful planes ever produced.
pjakma@reddit
I could never understand the point of this aircraft.
Starchaser_WoF@reddit
The last of these are used to test engines, aren't they?
zipzipzazoom@reddit
747CHIBI
ArchieThomas72@reddit
Back when America stood for world leading quality.
roadbikemadman@reddit
Hmmm at the same proximate time as the Ford Pinto and Chevy Vega and Chevette. World leading alright 👍
SummerInPhilly@reddit
Approximate* ☺️
roadbikemadman@reddit
prox·i·mate/ˈpräksəmət/adjectiveadjective: proximate
And now you know. :-)
G-III-@reddit
And yet only six years after the moon landing
BrewCityChaserV2@reddit
4 years after the sixth one.
Mediocre-Catch9580@reddit
Actually you can thank the accountants at GM and Ford for those debacles. That was about the time the engineers and designers lost control
ABoutDeSouffle@reddit
Did they wash it too hot?
SquirrelMoney8389@reddit
Short King
RogLatimer118@reddit
That's one big ass vertical stabilizer.
TheMuon@reddit
Necessary to compensate for the reduced rudder authority in the event of an engine failure.
mynam3isn3o@reddit
It’s not an ass vertical stabilizer. It’s a vertical stabilizer.
But it is big
tendie_time@reddit
My favorite 747. In my perfect world, they would still be produced with 4 modern high bypass turbofans bolted on
pavehawkfavehawk@reddit
More climb right MOARR
BAN_MOTORCYCLES@reddit
747sp is my favorite plane and its irrational bit i dont care and for context the runner up is the c17 which i fantasize about converting for #planelife and if you try to tell me its too loud for my fantasy then sorry i cant hear you
Crazy__Donkey@reddit
What's the point of this plane?
Long distans point to point flights with low capacity? Isn't it awfully expensive with 4 engines (sure, before the limitation of 2 engine was canceld).
ghjm@reddit
When the 747SP was designed in the early 70s, twinjets were not allowed to do long overwater flights, and as a result there were no widebody twins. Pan Am wanted an ultra long range airplane for its New York to Tehran route, which at the time was the longest in the world. The 747SP was shortened to remove weight and increase performance. An extended range trijet, like a modified L-1011 TriStar, might have been able to do the job with better fuel efficiency, but fuel was cheap then, and the 747SP allowed maintenance commonality with the existing 747 fleet and could still be flown on a 747 type rating.
If n the mid 80s new ETOPS rules were introduced that made it possible for suitably certified twinjets to make ocean crossings. At that point the 747SP became obsolete, and all three and four engined airliners were on the way out. Airbus developed the A300 and Boeing the 767 as the first twinjet widebodies. Had these existed and been legal to use in the early 70s, Pan Am would surely have used them. But they didn't and weren't, so we got the 747SP.
Crazy__Donkey@reddit
Thanks for the educated answer
Aggravating-Trip-546@reddit
Ahhh when Boeing manages to gets jets certified. Those were the days!
NoConfusion9490@reddit
SP stands for special performance.
AVeryHeavyBurtation@reddit
Jus a lil guy
wileysegovia@reddit
Sorry, but that plane just looks ridiculous.
jdbcn@reddit
It does
Ornery_Year_9870@reddit
You should be sorry.
TheManWhoClicks@reddit
Looks a bit like a doggo when born with the disease that makes them look compressed.
candylandmine@reddit
Just a stumpy lil guy out for a walk
No_Research_967@reddit
747.zip
ScottOld@reddit
Old models look so short and stumpy compared to the later ones
flapsmcgee@reddit
The SP was a shortened 747
AmazingProfession900@reddit
Stubby because the SP was designed that way. It was meant for short flights with maximum passengers if I remember correctly. Was most famously used in Japan for short hops.
killer_marsupial@reddit
This was not the original 747. The reason for the shortening was increased range. The earlier (longer) 747 couldn't cross the Pacific nonstop.
euph_22@reddit
Look at the lil baby!
wargamer19@reddit
SP actually stood for Short Plane
MelodicFondant@reddit
Tiny little goober
30yearAirlineGuy@reddit
My dad flew 747SP s with UA. He loved that bird.
Sock_Eating_Golden@reddit
SN- 21963 was based at CAK for a while with registration P4-FSH operated as Star Triple Seven. A local church used out for faith healing missions to Africa.
I believe the engines timed out in 2018 and it was taken to Pinal Airpark for storage.
Regardless of mission type. It was always very awesome to watch it operate from our local regional airport.
JasonIsFishing@reddit
After they painted it purple it was used in Soul Plane
Bandana-mal@reddit
I get a laugh out of the page mentioning a predominantly black cast and the second actor listed is Tom Arnold
drine2000@reddit
I remember seeing a Iran Air 747 SP at Narita in 2008.
Was the most filthy unkept aircraft i've ever seen on the ramp. Was a miracle it was still flying.
I also remember seeing one at Wellington airport. That was pretty cool.
Internal_Button_4339@reddit
QF used to run the trans-Tasman prior to the intro of the 767.
HuumanDriftWood@reddit
Quewn of the Skties.
Moppyploppy@reddit
It's cold, ok? It happens.
Scrantonicity_02@reddit
It’s not about the size but how use it
Flarepidem@reddit
Some televangelist mega church dude had one in Akron Canton for a while. So weird looking
thomasbeagle@reddit
I remember watching one a Qantas one land at Wellington Airport in New Zealand. Baby jumbo!
It's not the longest runway there so it was the biggest plane they could manage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:QANTAS_747SP_touches_down_in_Wellington.jpg
animalfath3r@reddit
It's the plane I took to school every day
Pale_Change_666@reddit
One of the fastest subsonic airliner
spddmn77@reddit
It’s so cute