any good graphics card in 450$-600$
Posted by DependentHope7801@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 84 comments
Im building pc first time, and i have no idea to what choose. And no, i cant get xt 9070 in my country in good price. I heard Sapphire Radeon RX 7800 XT PULSE 16GB GDDR6 is like 10% worse than 4070/5070, and 100$ cheaper, but its 7000 series so i dont know. Please help me, im also thinking about Gainward Python III 5070 RTX 12 GB.
Tight_Objective_5875@reddit
I love my RTX 5060 TI 16GB- it works great for 1440p, which is all my display can handle anyway. If I had the money, sure- the RTX 5070 wipes the floor with it, but Reality....
Re1ov@reddit
Only a 90 euro difference go work 2-3 days or mow some grass and that's it
Tight_Objective_5875@reddit
Naw. 1440p is what I was shooting for; 5060 Ti ($430 delivered) hits it fine. And the 16gb version keeps it safe for a few seasons. But for those chasing frame-rates, definitely save up for the 5070. ($600) ...a 145 euro difference. The 5070 is considered more of a Hot Commodity, so it strays farther from its MSRP. It's hard enough to justify the prices for GPUs as it is these days.
Re1ov@reddit
Quite the opposite 5060 TI the 16 gb version msrp is 430 you can find it for 480 right now while the 5070 msrp is 550 and you can get it for 570 how is that not a 90 difference and I'm in eu
Tight_Objective_5875@reddit
Ummmmm......
I stated truthfully that I got my card PNY 5060 ti 16 for $430. (about a month ago). At that time, the closest 5070 was at or close to $600. I also stated truthfully that it does was I want- play 1440p stuff just fine for me. So my opinion was based on the fact that for the $$$, it works fine for me. I never inferred that 12gb isn't enough, I never inferred that I didn't wish I could've snagged a 5070 for closer to my budget. I did state that I think Graphic Cards in general are pricey (pretty much since 2020 for various reasons), but...?
I've re-read your response, and I'm thinking you're confusing me with someone else that you're having it out with.
...right?
Re1ov@reddit
I only meant the first part, the second "edit" thing I copy pasted the wrong part of a comment I made by accident to mention something I thought I'd add, my bad.
Tight_Objective_5875@reddit
No problem! I was totally confused, and then I saw the 12gb thing and thought, "What?"
It wouldn't be the first time I typed something dumb or wrong though. I seriously don't get on here to tick people off, honestly.
I just upgraded from a RTX 2060 Super to the 5060 ti and it SINGS compared to my old card. I couldn't be happier.
voidwolf48@reddit
If 9070xt is too expensive, 9060xt is still a decent choice.. almost on par/some said better than 5060 Ti. Good for 1440p high-ultra settings. Entry level 4k though.
MikaDawnD@reddit
Radeon RX 7800 XT
aragorn18@reddit
In that range I'd go for the RTX 5070.
DependentHope7801@reddit (OP)
Im not really big fan of rt, I feel lowkey like RX is better option but i'm scared of buying it. Why RTX 5070?
aragorn18@reddit
Because the RTX 5070 is a good bit faster than the Radeon RX 7800 XT, even without ray tracing. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5070-founders-edition/35.html
Ok-Button-1660@reddit
I beg ti differ, youtube comparisons are here to help seeing gaming in reality, and besides that, if you don't care for ray tracing, you get 4gb of ram that can prove being more futureproof (btw why do they release a 600$ card with only 12gb.....i don't get it).
tawoorie@reddit
Having worse rt is less futureproof
Ok-Button-1660@reddit
Nahhhhhh, not really, i don't play at all with RT on, like most players do.
Rasterization is the way to go if you don't wanna get some hiccups in your 1% lows fps.
Roshkp@reddit
But.. that’s not futureproof. Games will and have already started to mandate raytracing for their lighting.
oddredditguy@reddit
Definitely watch some videos. They said 7000 series suck my 7900xt performs at 4090/5080 levels according to my bench mark scores and game play fps. But according to nvidia fan boys its flaming garbage. When there's are the ones literally catching fire.
Ok-Button-1660@reddit
So true, it depends on so many things : cpu, memory clock and latency, game tested, direct ram configured or not etc........
The thing is that even if a 5070 works 10 to 20% better, it is not worth the extra dime (and is uses way more power than 7800xt), especially
oddredditguy@reddit
Damn I tried to help your Karma a bit. The fan boys are eating your post about watching actual video comparisons, and that's pretty sad. Because it is objectively true. Looking at number on paper is useless because of all the things you just mentioned. The best way to determine performance even over benchmark is 100% direct video comparison at different resolutions. More importantly, the resolutions you will be playing at. The exact same thing happened with 6000. 6900xt was flaming garbage. According to everyone, I happened to pick one up in a steal of a deal, and it destroyed the 3090 in raster at just about every game aside for a couple that were optimized for Nvidia. Same thing with RT on my 7900xt, but if you look at the video comparison, it performs at about 3090 level in RT. Yes, that is behind Nvidia, but it's very much playable. Just like the 3090 was with upscaling in some games and perfectly playable at 60fps without.
absolutelynotarepost@reddit
People keep using the future proof argument on VRAM but Nvidia literally just released a newer version of DLSS4 that reduced vram utilization by a pretty fair margin.
It's clear that Nvidia's strategy isn't to just cram more VRAM onto the PCB it's to optimize the ever living fuck out of the VRAM with DLSS and FG.
Now I won't dispute that it's a method that has drawbacks and I think the criticisms about the visual issues these methods present is entirely valid.
However this is the direction Nvidia wants to go, and they hold 92% of the market share and most the significant development partnerships.
So, like it or not, the future is DLSS and FG with those technologies being actively pushed towards lowering VRAM usage as much as possible, but only if you're on their hardware.
kennny_CO2@reddit
You're forgetting that the 7000 amd gpus are stuck on fsr3, whereas dlss4+ will be coming to older nvidia gpus. This is arguably a much more important future proofing feature
heroofshade420@reddit
4070 super is better value
aragorn18@reddit
The 4070 Super hasn't been produced since last year. Good luck finding one.
heroofshade420@reddit
it released last year dummy. production stopped in like december iirc
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aragorn18@reddit
Can you point to the part in my statement that is incorrect?
NwLoyalist@reddit
Lol wtf reddit. I have no idea why you got down voted to oblivion. RT and DLSS are literally the only reasons to buy Nvidia over AMD for gaming. If you could find a RX 9070 in budget, that would be a solid gpu. You could go with a 9060xt which is around 20% less performance than a 5070, but half the price. Just make sure you get the 16gig model. NOT THE 8gig. Don't buy any gpu that is 8gigs. 12 is bare minimum.
grungeflannel@reddit
My 4070 does a good job
mountain_chickens@reddit
just because you said you couldnt find any 9070 non xt model for that price range, the next close option is 5070, if you want more vram and willing to trade a bit of ras power than 7800xt. If you can find a good deal on 7900xt model, take it
I69YaGf8800@reddit
What would you say is a good deal for a 7900xt?
mountain_chickens@reddit
around $550-$600. I would still take it if it’s $650, but at that price you can get a 9070 tho
Niphoria@reddit
buy a used 7900 XTX bought mine for 600€
I69YaGf8800@reddit
Any tips to not get scammed or get a card that’s faulty/mined with? Thats my only concern with buying used
Niphoria@reddit
Use ebay - if there is any issue you can send it back
Mining damaging a card is a myth wich has been busted multiple times - if anything its healthier for the components of the gpu because it stays at one temperature instead of constantly going on-off-on-off like under normal use - the only thing wich is affected by mining are the fans and even that should be a non-issue
Re1ov@reddit
Not true, there are other things not just the fans that are affected.
Niphoria@reddit
Like ?
Re1ov@reddit
I'm just gonna say use Google what mining does to a graphics card it's not just the fan bearings and I know quite a few guys from 2018 that did entire basement mining years prior to 2022. And the thing you mentioned with components constantly running being better than turning it off is also false, true in theory and specific tests you might have watched or heard on YT but it only applies when the GPUs you mentioned are isle and NOT mining. PC idle no shutdown is better than turning it off and on IF you constantly turn it off HOWEVER a GPU mining all day with all the heat is not comparable to even a PC you constantly turn on and off.
Niphoria@reddit
Im just gonna say you dont know what you are talking about
You cant even give me the parts that are affected so im not even gonna bother to google if you cant even give me basic information
Re1ov@reddit
Exactly why I don't bother explaining anything to you, you have zero initiative to change your mind
Niphoria@reddit
??????
Re1ov@reddit
Not to mention you said I don't know what I'm talking about but you said that the fans are affected when it's the fan bearings not the same thing.
Niphoria@reddit
Ok this one is genuinly funny
Thank you
Re1ov@reddit
I said that since the xfx magnet thing came to my mind but at least you know how the fans work which is surprising for someone who says only the fans are affected
Re1ov@reddit
Wow at least you know you can't take the fans off I'm surprised
I69YaGf8800@reddit
Ooh okay thanks didnt know that about the mining.
heroofshade420@reddit
i'd suggest an rtx 4070 super, or a 7900 GRE
I69YaGf8800@reddit
I dont get where people find 4070 supers for that money. Everything i see is like 800 dollar plus
illicITparameters@reddit
You dont, this guy is faded.
heroofshade420@reddit
you do, its called buying an FE in person
illicITparameters@reddit
They stopped making them before Christmas. Are you OK???
heroofshade420@reddit
get an FE from best buy or used on ebay
Atomlabanane@reddit
5060 ti 16go
SCReviews@reddit
If you want/care about the tracing of the rays, I'd go for the 5070. Otherwise, save yourself 100 bucks and opt for team red.
mmrkh@reddit
Rx 9070 non XT
DependentHope7801@reddit (OP)
Too expensive bro
cwagungood@reddit
If you live close to a Micro Center, they have them right at $600.
mmrkh@reddit
Ohh but i think if you live in America you can find it close to 600$
Content-Fee-8856@reddit
5070 is a good card
wowitsleo@reddit
I love my 5070! No VRAM limits yet at max settings in most of my titles (1440p here). I didn’t buy it for “4090 performance,” but for a card a bit better than a 4070 Super or so. And it gets the job done (without frame gen)!
EverythingEvil1022@reddit
Arc B580 is a solid option if you can get one at MSRP you’ll have a few hundred left over too.
Bigben889@reddit
That is a very good card from a price/performance standpoint, but my concern is whether Intel will be able to stay in the discrete graphics game. If they can’t, driver support may evaporate. Very hard to beat if you can get one for under $300, as long as driver support continues.
EricSeablade@reddit
I decided on a 5060ti 16gb for my build, just a touch over $500 after taxes.
I'm still having trouble with that. I bought a 2080 back in 2020 for $430, and that seemed like a lot.
Lion12341@reddit
7800XT is more than good enough. Don't throw money at more expensive options if you don't want to.
DependentFuture4444@reddit
i’m sad at the question. in going to sound old, but not that long ago $500 could get you a pretty good near top of the line graphics card.
Now $500 is the new nvidia 1070 budget.
I have the 7800xt. It’s great so far. But it is over Two years old. If you can afford something newer for the price, go for it.
GurLost2763@reddit
I wouldnt wven bother with anything that not a 50 series or 90 series
Belgian_Ale@reddit
i got me a 5060 ti for €500 and it works like a charm
avaling89@reddit
RX 7800XT
Ok-Button-1660@reddit
Go for a 7800xt, worth the dime for 1440p. I had one with a 5800x3d and good ram ( 3600mhz cl16 ddr4) and damn it worked nice. To me, it is not worse than 5070, and even better sometimes but definitely 10-15% worse than 5070ti. Can find 650$ deals for a 9070xt, but rare and not in your price range....except if you wanna wait and save ;)
Anyhow, bear in mind that you don't jmhave to get the latest to enjoy, new generations every two years is nuts when you compare to old 1080 and 1080ti than lasted almost 7 years before being outdated.
i could help you if you could share the rest of your build. Actually this would be essential to advise you as a entry level cpu or bad memory could bottleneck your whole system.
DependentHope7801@reddit (OP)
Thanks, I really can't decide. Everyone tells me to take rtx, but almost no one explains why.
Gainward RTX 5070 Python III 12 GB – $625 or SAPPHIRE Radeon RX 7800 XT Pulse 16 GB – $525
Power Supply: ENDORFY Vero L5 700W 80 Plus – $80
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700 – $300
Motherboard: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2 – $192
SSD: LEXAR NM790 1TB – $80
RAM: KINGSTON Fury Beast 32GB 5600MHz – $98
Ok-Button-1660@reddit
Nice build there, i would go full amd, but both choice looks good to me ( even if amd is older but it still has got 4gb more ram, which makes it more futureproof).
To me, best idea would be to : upgrade memory to 6000mhz ( cl30 ideally, it is expensive but changes a lot of things. Watch on youtube) and get the 7800xt with the money you did not spend on a 5070.
This way, when you upgrade you graphics in 2, or 3 years, nothing will bottleneck the next one ;)
Existing-Network-267@reddit
5060ti 16gb That's what I got for 500
Possible_Chocolate55@reddit
Just get the 5070 here is one I'm looking in getting a PNY OC GeForce RTX 5070 12GB 550$
_Leighton_@reddit
Either of the cards you listed will be just fine.
People in these subreddits just love to argue. Compare benchmarks and pricing, make your decision and you'll be happy. They're both very powerful cards that can drive literally every modern game at 1440p with minimal concessions and should continue to do so for 5+ years with few exceptions.
coolboy856@reddit
5070
Maleficent-West5356@reddit
For 1440p, even a 3070 will do very well.
Remote_Video1311@reddit
5050
Happy_Book_8910@reddit
I just upgraded to a 5070 and I love it. 99% of people do not upgrade every generation. I came from a 3060ti so the upgrade is about 50% raw raster, and then there is multi frame generation. It’s a night and day upgrade for me. Going from 30fps in 4K with ray tracing to 160fps now. My 5070 cost £499 here in the UK
mig_f1@reddit
RTX 5070 for performance, or RTX 5060 Ti 16 for VRAM.
Either should be fine for 1440p gaming especially with DLSS, and more than fine for productivity.
RX 7000 series are last gen, they draw way more power and they don't support FSR4.
PS. We like it or not, seems like raster perf in native resolutions is not the future.
Quito98@reddit
5070 RTX
QuaintAlex126@reddit
Unless ray tracing matters to you, the RX 7800 XT would be a better deal because of its higher VRAM capacity and cheaper price. It's about on par with the RTX 4070, which is about on par with the RTX 5070 (just shows how bad of a deal RTX 50XX series is), with the biggest downside being worse ray tracing performance. However, VRAM is becoming increasingly important these days with 8 GBs and even 12 GBs being stretched to their limits.
I would pick the RX 7800 XT. No shame in going last gen, especially when this current, new generation is just a really bad deal. Both Nvidia and AMD are capitalizing on their duopoloy on the GPU market.
jojamon@reddit
Rtx4070 super is almost on par with the 5070. The base 4070 is a good 20% slower than the 4070 super. So the 5070 will be around 25% faster than the base 4070.
Virtual-Citizen@reddit
That depends on what resolution you want, and what your target FPS is. If you want 60fps constant on 1440p, even a 2080 will do just fine.
DependentHope7801@reddit (OP)
I mainly use 1080p and 1440p. Honestly, I switch between them depending on the situation, but those two are definitely my favorites. I have a 240Hz monitor, so Im aiming for more than just 60 FPS. Because of that, I think a Radeon card should be good enough for my needs but since this is a decision for the next few years I want to be sure Im making the right choice
natflade@reddit
What resolution are you gaming at?