Buy Car, Build Engine, Swap Engine: A 42 month journey
Posted by crappyroads@reddit | projectcar | View on Reddit | 36 comments
This sounds silly even to me after so much time has passed but this all started with a video game. In 2021 I was heavy into Dirt Rally 2. My absolute favorite cars in the game were the Lancia Delta Integrale and the BMW M3 Evo, both rally versions of the cars.
For a while I had been wanting to buy a fun car. I was knocking on the door of 40 and well, we all know the story. So I started looking at E30 BMW's. At this point M3's were already outrageous so I was looking at regular E30's. I knew I wanted to make it a project car. A couple months after looking, a friend of a friend sold me a 1987 325es. This is the "fuel efficient" 6cyl E30 version, despite having larger displacement than the hotter 325i. The car was in reasonable shape. Just an easy vacuum leak and it drove around okay. But I knew right away that wasn't going to be enough for me.
I briefly considered doing a head swap. This is reasonably common and results in a stroker motor that takes forced induction well. But I wasn't enthused about that, I wanted to challenge myself. Really challenge myself. So I started looking at total engine swaps.
BMW S52/M52 swaps are common and relatively easy. Purists will point to these as acceptable swaps that at least keep a German heart beating between the fenders. I also considered a K24 swap, the closest thing to a modern S14 motor. This is going to sound vain but I couldn't get over the sound of the K. Too buzzy. True, they can be made to sound good but I didn't especially feel like polishing a sound I wasn't immediately in love with. So what do you do when you want power, sound, and packaging all together with a side of every car nerd rolling their eyes at the unoriginality. That's right, LS swap.
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crappyroads@reddit (OP)
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In March of 2022, I bought a high miles L92 (6.2 L all aluminum truck motor) out of an 07 GMC Yukon. The seller showed me it running and it just had the hint of a sticky lifter. Easy fix. Once I got the heads off, though, cylinder 5 showed signs of poor compression. The last thing I wanted to do was shove a bum engine in the car, so I broke the motor down and sent it off to the machine shop. I want to make it clear, I didn’t originally intend to do this. I wanted to do an engine swap. That was ambitious enough for me. It was the bad looking cylinder and the fact that the machinists that would actually answer my calls had a minimum 18 month wait to build a motor that I reluctantly gave in to the classic project car blunder; scope creep.
In the months that followed I did some shopping. Bought a mild cam and all the normal stuff to replace when rebuilding a motor and waited. I also received some news from the machine shop. Cylinder 5 must have been getting washed from a leaky injector because it was eccentric. They ended up boring the motor 10 thousandths over to bring it back into round. New rods and pistons were added to the list. The car sat for now because another thing I needed to do before starting the swap was build an actual place to do the swap.
January 2023 rolls around and I start building the motor in my basement. At the same time, I build a concrete driveway stub for the eventual engine swap. I do not have a garage. By June, the short block is done. By the end of the summer, the long block is complete. Half measures being a thing of the past, I also picked up a brand new T56 Magnum during this time. In August of 2023, the old M20 comes out of the bimmer. Things move pretty fast from here and by early November, the motor is in its new home. But that’s just the beginning.
Not much progress happens during the winter because New England winters make car work miserable, but come May of 2024, I’m back at it again. Work continues around kids, actual work, and vacation for the next 5 months until October when I have the first firing. Angels sing, and it sounds very similar to an open header LS with one cylinder bank not firing.
Lots of gremlins to work out including a fuel pump leak in the tank, and poor cylinder coil grounding. Finally, though, the car comes back from the exhaust shop and I can drive it around. I schedule a date at the tuner and exalt in my success. The exaltation is short lived however because I’m chasing some electrical gremlins and discover I built the engine with the wrong head gasket (it was sold as a direct replacement for an L92 but turned out to be a 4.000 bore gasket for a 6.0 motor). Heads come off and it’s December 2024 when I get it back together. I take it for its first test drive after the heads go back on and the oil pressure drops to zero. WTF. Demoralized, I park it for the winter.
Spring 2025 comes around and I pull the oil pan to investigate. I would have started with a mechanical oil pressure gauge but I happened to video the entire engine build and when I reviewed the footage from attaching the oil pickup, I noticed that I had placed one of the diverter plate nuts on only finger tight. This happens to be the one that also holds the pickup’s support brace. With the pan off, I even pull a rod bearing to look for damage. Totally clean (still had the factory coating on it). I put everything back together (again this takes time because of actual life happening around me). Finally, in May, I attach a mechanical gauge and the oil pressure is perfect. Excellent. I replace the electronic sender and reschedule with the tuner. I’m one mile from my house on a glorious May morning with the tuner as my destination and the axle explodes.
Tow the car back to the house, replace the axles (and the subframe/trailing arm bushings for good measure). Why not add a coat of paint? You’re in no rush /s. After a miserable experience fighting with 40 year old BMW suspension parts, I finally make it to the tuner in June of 2025. A week or so later, she’s ready. 423whp and 410tq.
I kind of can’t believe it’s real even now. It’s so much fun, so worth it. If I can impart some of the lessons I’ve learned along the way here they are in no particular order.
You will have periods of low motivation. I broke out of this by making a plan for a day and putting in my calendar. This was usually what was needed to prime me to get back into the work cycle.
Scope creep is inevitable. I wasn’t the best at preventing it, but it helps to have an actual goal that’s attainable (big or small).
How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. In the beginning, especially after I committed to building the motor, the task just seemed insurmountable. But like climbing a mountain, you just focus on the next small step. Forget what comes after it. Just solve the next problem.
Setbacks are a given. Tell yourself that going in. You will have to redo work, often multiple times. That’s all part of it. Manage expectations. There are simply too many points of failure to expect you will do everything flawlessly, especially if you’re doing it for the first time.
Take care of your regular life first and be candid with your spouse/significant other about cost and timeline. No project is worth upsetting those that you love.
Try to enjoy the journey…but not so much that it’s never over.
Righty tighty, lefty loosey
Thanks for reading!
No_Championship1901@reddit
Aproximate build price? I am thinking of doing some type of swap
crappyroads@reddit (OP)
Well, I went a bit above and beyond with this build. I have not tallied everything up, either.
Just the basics though:
I'd say you're looking at a minimum of $18k plus the cost of the car. I don't even know exactly how much I've spent. I don't think I want to know.
New-Speech3255@reddit
Yesss ls e30 is so fun
ineyeseekay@reddit
Actually doesn't seem too bad!
No_Championship1901@reddit
Thanks, very usefull
Front_Masterpiece@reddit
Ive had several e30s, with different m50s, s50s, m20s etc. I want to drive an ls swap to see what it feels like. I have a feeling Id have my comet up for sale immediately after.
crappyroads@reddit (OP)
It's an absolute riot. Just makes you giggle when the torque ramps.
Front_Masterpiece@reddit
Now turbo it and really feel that!
crappyroads@reddit (OP)
Don't tempt me! It's got forged internals!
awesomekaptain@reddit
Hell yeah man, you got a hell of a lot farther than I did. I bought a Delphin Grey 87 325is back in like 2014 for $2500 with all intentions of making it beautiful and great to drive. It ran but not well - I redid all the vacuum lines, ignition system, swapped in a crack free dash (can't believe I only paid $200 for it back then), rebuilt a cluster, swapped seats, new exhaust, etc over the course of a year or two. At that point I realized I liked driving more than wrenching, so sold it and bought a Cayman S.
Mad respect for getting this done, especially without a garage in the Northeast. I'm sure it's a blast to drive and incredibly satisfying knowing how many busted knuckles and swear words went into building it. Congrats on a killer build and well done sticking to it through the end!
crappyroads@reddit (OP)
Very kind words, thank you! I'd definitely kill for a $200 crack free dash these days
Inevitable_Example38@reddit
Great build, you put a lot work in it;)
Pitty that you didn't go with M20 engine, make it seta and turbo it, such a nostalgix platform.
AlDenteApostate@reddit
Hey Josh, put me on the shirt list.
crappyroads@reddit (OP)
Will do!
Gmo_rulz@reddit
Nice work!!
aarongdl@reddit
Love the shirt and the swap!
Really need somewhere with some decent car merch :)
crappyroads@reddit (OP)
Based on the interest in this thread, I'm working on it. I'll message you if there's a development.
Thanks for looking!
jacketsc64@reddit
If I had to do one of these it would be "Buy car, buy engine, sell car, buy car, sell car, buy car, build engine, buy car, swap engine" lol. The point at which I'm currently at is somewhere between the third "buy car" and "build engine".
crappyroads@reddit (OP)
It's definitely an act of total commitment. It was also an endeavor where I couldn't turn back because my wife might have killed me, haha.
YousureWannaknow@reddit
Cool job.. Also, I'm kinda impressed that you found that model, that didn't required welding 😅
crappyroads@reddit (OP)
There's a bit of rust around the jack points that will eventually need to be dealt with. But the normal spots like the sunroof are fine which is definitely rare. Thanks!
YousureWannaknow@reddit
Hehe.. Here where I live, most E30s rusted out or had already 3/4 full body rebuilds 😅
orange150@reddit
Did you change the rear end at all?
crappyroads@reddit (OP)
Stock rear end. The stock diff is a 2.93 which makes 6th kind of useless and first extra long. I have a 3.73 diff in the basement that should be closer to the 3.4x found in F-body cars. Currently, despite being a mechanical LSD, the doff doesn't lock under this power level. Likely due to it being 40 years old with more than 300k miles. The 3.73 is just as old but can't be any worse so I'm gonna try it soon. Rebuilding the 3.73 is definitely going to be a winter project.
These rear ends can hold a lot of power. Usually the axles break first.
Comfortable-Mode-972@reddit
Sweet build, dude! You sell those shirts?
crappyroads@reddit (OP)
Haha, no! That was a shirt my wife made for me this past Christmas as a joke.
pitchingataint@reddit
I’d buy one
IRingTwyce@reddit
Joke's on her, it's awesome and we all love it and can relate.
crappyroads@reddit (OP)
Oh she absolutely knows my humor. This project would have never happened if it wasn't for her patience and support. A lesser woman would have left my dumb ass long before.
KittiesRule1968@reddit
Damn, 423hp at the wheels will move that car along nicely
ridiculusvermiculous@reddit
hell yes!
GoudaMustache@reddit
That's awesome man! I'm in the process of doing a turbo K24 in my E30. I bought mine off a friend and didn't do my due diligence so now I'm dealing with rust and replacing every suspension component. Seeing this gives me hope that some day it'll be done.
crappyroads@reddit (OP)
A friend of mine is swapping a K20 into an E30 sedan. I'm so excited to feel the difference in character between the two cars.
It will so be worth it to overcome the challenges. These old BMW's really are tanks. If you take care of the rust I guarantee it's gonna last many years to come. Can't wait to hear more.
devilpants@reddit
There’s swap is overdone because the engines are just so good. Small, easy to work on, reliable and easy as pie to tune and cheap and just power everywhere along with pretty good fuel mileage. These are just such great chassis I’m sure it’s going to be a blast.
My only recommendation from having a swapped car is don’t worry about making more power it’s got plenty I’m sure, getting it reliable and comfortable and tuned so it runs smoothly makes for a more fun experience
TherelFixedlt@reddit
Amazing! What a sleeper! Solid write up as well