Do British people feel superior when they see the Union Jack on the flags of Australia, New Zealand and Fijian?
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weedywet@reddit
No. We feel superior for so many other reasons.
ThaiFoodThaiFood@reddit
I don't feel anything.
Lower-Obligation4462@reddit
Well stiff upper lip and all that me old chap, I pint of Best and a winge at the bar wench will set you straight
leninzen@reddit
In general or?
Ok-Start8985@reddit
No, why would we? Love them both. Are uou trying to start a rumour?
UpsetIllustrator7@reddit
Union Flag
GlitteringOrder2323@reddit
Exactly, it’s only a Union Jack at sea.
Glittering-Blood-869@reddit
Either name is acceptable.
In 1606, King James VI and I ordered all English and Scottish ships – warships and merchant vessels – to fly the flag of his new realm of Great Britain from their main masthead.
This flag was described initially as the ‘British flag’ or ‘flag of Britain’.
The term ‘Union’ first appears in 1625, but what of ‘jack’?
Jack can have a diminutive sense, denoting something smaller or slighter than normal.
Thus, it was used to describe a small flag flown by ships of this period from a flagstaff rigged on the bowsprit.
By 1627, it appears that a small version of the Union Flag – described thereafter as the ‘Jack’, ‘Jack flag’ or ‘King’s Jack’ – commonly flew in this position.
And by 1674, the Admiralty acknowledged two names: the formal ‘His Majesty’s Jack’ and the informal ‘Union Jack’.
During the following century, staysails replaced the bowsprit flagstaff, and the main distinguishing flag of the Royal Navy became the Ensign.
So naval vessels began to fly the ‘Union Jack’ only when in harbour and from a specially rigged ‘jackstaff’ in the bows.
The term ‘jack’ thus predates the ‘jackstaff’ by over 150 years.
Neither is ‘Union Jack’ a name specific to a Union Flag flown in the bows of a warship.
The Admiralty used both names interchangeably from the seventeenth century onwards, irrespective of use.
An Admiralty Circular of 1902 pronounced that either name was officially valid.
And in 1908 Parliament approved this verdict, confirming that ‘The Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag’.
Sardine_Rastaman7705@reddit
Incorrect, it's only a Union Jack when it's on a ship.
Glittering-Blood-869@reddit
Incorrect.
It is sometimes asserted that the term Union Jack properly refers only to naval usage, but this assertion was dismissed by the Flag Institute in 2013 after historical investigations
it is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship, but this is a relatively recent idea. From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. In 1908, a government minister stated, in response to a parliamentary question, that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag"
Sardine_Rastaman7705@reddit
Incorrect, it turns out that it's only a Union Jack when it's on a ship.
Glittering-Blood-869@reddit
Incorrect. You've already been shown that the royal navy called it the union jack on land, sea or air. Clearly you know more than the navy, military, royal family and the experts though. Graham Bartram (born 1963), a British vexillologist who is, as of 2013, the secretary-general for congresses of the Fédération internationale des associations vexillologiques and the chief vexillologist of the Flag Institute, when interviewed on the BBC Broadcasting House programme on 13 October 2013, stated that either name was perfectly valid whatever the purpose. He stated that the theory that the flag should only be referred to as "Union Jack" when flown at sea was wrong
Glittering-Blood-869@reddit
Both terms are correct!
The Union Flag is the official name of the United Kingdom’s national flag. However, Union Jack is widely accepted and commonly used—even by government and military bodies. Historically, “Union Jack” referred to the flag when flown from the jackstaff (a small flagpole) on the bow of a Royal Navy ship. But that distinction has faded over time.
The admiralty approved both terms as valid in 1902.
Parliament confirmed in 1908 that “Union Jack” could be regarded as the national flag and flown by all citizens on land
The Flag Institute, the UK’s national flag charity, also supports the interchangeable.
Even the Royal family
veryblocky@reddit
Union Jack
Drae-Keer@reddit
Jolly Roger
Magic_mousie@reddit
No, feel a bit awkward if anything. But I hope enough time has passed that it's water under the bridge and the people of the commonwealth would judge individuals on their character not their ancestors.
uwabu@reddit
Sorry to burst your bubble but the devastation of "empire" is still resonating in Nigeria.
People who had no business being together were squished together for administrative convenience.
I would keep very quiet if I were you whenever the "commonwealth" comes up in conversation.
Oh and we want our shit in your museums back
Magic_mousie@reddit
I didn't take nothing mate and I'd appreciate not being blamed for the crimes of people who weren't even my ancestors.
uwabu@reddit
Did you not? Tell me where you are from and I bet I can trace wealth directly stolen from Nigeria to benefit you and yours.
We don't talk about it. Doesn't mean its forgotten. Like I said before,better to stay quiet. The wounds are still very raw. We fought for independence and only left your clutches in 1960
Magic_mousie@reddit
I come from farming stock who only learnt to read and write in the 1800s, closest I've been to government is the London Eye.
Not saying what was done in Nigeria was right. I am saying it's not my fault nor the fault of 99.9% of the population and you are letting that 0.1% win by letting them live rent free in your mind.
uwabu@reddit
I am trying to point out that you cannot ,as a British citizen, remove yourself from collective responsibility. The colonised won't let you do that.
Reason being that wealth from the colonies contributed to and sustained the industrial revolution. Do I need to point out how much the industrial revolution helped to set you on your current level.
You benefitted and still benefitting therefore you are responsible. That's how we see it.
Sardine_Rastaman7705@reddit
As a British citizen I am not involved in collective responsibility - this is where your naivety, ignorance and pointless dislike towards British people are shining through, because not all of us are "natives" nor descendants of these people that took your wealth. Also, since you're one person and not your entire country, I reject your opinion.
PS: The museums are free to enter so go get your "stuff" yourself if it means that much to you.
mr-dirtybassist@reddit
You forgot Hawaii.
But no. We don't
Shawn_The_Sheep777@reddit
No. Not in the slightest. It’s a reminder of our historical ties but that’s it.
riscos3@reddit
I don't care about a piecd of cloth, or the pattern on it
wolfhelp@reddit
Look at OP's post history. Bot
TomatoLess229@reddit
What is the purpose of these type of Bots ? Collecting i for AI maybe ?
wolfhelp@reddit
Reddit was built with bots in the beginning. I hate this, but look it up
flower5214@reddit (OP)
I'm not a bot but not yet a human
elom44@reddit
No. It feels anachronistic if anything. If I was from one of those countries I think I’d be a bit pissed off about it. I’m amazed they haven’t changed it.
Magic_mousie@reddit
New Zealand had the chance to change it to a Kiwi shooting lasers from its eyes and didn't take it. For shame.
(seriously, look it up)
coffeewalnut08@reddit
I think “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” is the attitude keeping these flags
coffeewalnut08@reddit
Not really? If anything it feels a little odd seeing our flag on a foreign flag. I will say I find the Aus and NZ flags pretty though.
Life-Bedroom-8886@reddit
I don’t even like seeing it as the flag of my own country.
The number of flag wankers who fly it (often upside down..!) as a symbol of their support for far-right nationalistic ideologies has ruined it for normally patriotic people.
It is a tainted brand identity.
Drae-Keer@reddit
Just don’t go flying other countries’ flags at rallies and you’re all right
veryblocky@reddit
I have to whole heartedly disagree. I’m sorry you feel this way about our flag, but it should still be a symbol of national pride, despite certain groups using it
WumbleInTheJungle@reddit
I never looked at it that way before to be honest.
When I see a Union Jack flying outside someone's house though I think "probably a family of racists live there", and then I'm quietly thankful to my neighbours that none of them have knocked 10 grand off the value of all our houses by flying the flag!
CiderDrinker2@reddit
No. It's a historical quirk, that's all.
iamdecal@reddit
Not really superior, but connected in some way maybe
(Also on the flag of Hawaii IIRC)
Famous_Obligation959@reddit
Personally, No.
I think we should leave the colonial stuff in the past like the other countries did and just move on.
I-was-forced-@reddit
No I feel jealous because I wish I was living in one of those countries instead of England.
NewPower_Soul@reddit
Damn right 🇬🇧
prustage@reddit
Nope. Quite frankly I am always surprised its still there.
Lower-Obligation4462@reddit
Yes and I don’t think every country thanks us enough for their one extra free holiday they get every year. If it wasn’t for us they wouldn’t even have an Independence Day.
rNycto@reddit
Not really no, if anything it reminds me we have close siblings across the world - even if other "special relationships" aren't going so great.
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