While Everyone’s Watching Medicaid, the ACA is about to unravel — quietly and catastrophically
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4BigData@reddit
we need to grow a pair and let the entire for-profit healthcare system collapse
letting universal coverage replace it will be the biggest inheritance any US generation has been able to pass down to the next, not in $, but even better: in terms burden relief. real freedom!
ByTheHammerOfThor@reddit
They need to advocate for universal healthcare along these lines: your employer shouldn’t be able to use losing/ controlling your health insurance as leverage over you.
You should be able to quit your job if your boss is horrible and not worry about if you or your kid will still be able to get lifesaving medicine.
No boss should have that power over their employees.
Betty_Bookish@reddit
In money too! The entire health insurance industry adds no value to anything. Let MDs that went to school for their hard earned clinical judgment manage patients. It's a billion doller industry that adds nothing of value and exists to say "no."
4BigData@reddit
And honestly, in time for better public policies as well.
Each time that heatlhcare is mentioned, is yet another time that affordable housing has yet to be addressed as public policy and for the young it's what's most urgently needed.
Soci3talCollaps3@reddit
I am planning to get all my sicknesses and emergency hospitalizations done this year before we lose our insurance.
MeateatersRLosers@reddit
You can increase your lifespan / healthspan eating whole food plant based with slightly restricted calories than a tdee calculator suggests.
It’s a very powerful foundation but not a miracle cureall. Also, after a lifetime of eating product, people mistake product as whole food most notably oils, oil-infused foods (potato chips, kale chips, etc) protein powders, and whole appearing foods such as granola with a laundry list of ingredients actually making the bulk of calories.
Trauma_Hawks@reddit
It's not weird. You're just missing the point and don't care enough to to get it
MeateatersRLosers@reddit
I’m spreading awareness. I get the humor just fine.
Trauma_Hawks@reddit
Lol, how did you miss the point twice?
MeateatersRLosers@reddit
I’m spreading awareness, being vegan long meant annoying people and being bullied.
Trauma_Hawks@reddit
At the risk of belaboring the point, I will spell it out for you in no uncertain terms.
You are missing the point. Everyone knows that being healthy keeps you healthy. The only thing you're accomplishing by "raising awareness" of this very basic fact is coming off as arrogant and patronizing. Patronizing is talking down to someone while pretending to be helping.
The point is that people can't always afford to keep healthy. That even if you can and do, random illness can rob you of everything, and without government assistance people will die and be hurt. Regardless of how healthy they stay. And there's no amount of awareness you can smugly raise that will help or prevent that.
That is the point.
face4theRodeo@reddit
I disagree. People might not know how to eat healthier, but cost isn’t the issue. 3 cans of black beans ($3), an avocado diced ($3), some garlic (fresh/ $1), salt and pepper (free at McDonald’s) and chili powder ($2 container will last months) and a can of crushed or diced tomatoes ($1) with 3 eggs (1.50) and some hot sauce (free at Popeyes or a Buffalo Wild Wings) costs $11.50, less than a meal deal at McDonald’s and yet the huevos rancheros that that creates is both extremely healthy and way tastier than McDonald’s. Granted, eggs aren’t vegan for most, but skip the eggs and throw a pile of spinach (also about $1.50) in and wrap it in a tortilla (pack of 8 for $4 and it’s gonna be good. If you buy 6 cans of beans, 2-3 cans of tomatoes and a dozen or more eggs and have a pot to make it all in, you can eat this for several meals. Throw in some rice bc it’s cheap and maybe some onions bc they’re good and you have burritos, huevos rancheros, beans and rice, tacos, put some cheese (if not vegan) in the mix for empanadas, so many options.
thepersonimgoingtobe@reddit
The first requirement of being vegan is tell others that you are vegan, lol.
Decon_SaintJohn@reddit
How do you know someone is vegan? Don't worry, they'll tell you!
face4theRodeo@reddit
You’re not wrong. A vegan lifestyle will prevent a lot of the problems this will cause. Veganism is deemed froo-froo, but it does work. Most of the problems with modern medicine come from inflammation which is caused by a poor food supply. Eliminating inflammation from your diet can be evolutionary in terms of your survival. Not eating animals or processed foods has been shown, time and time again, to be the healthier outcome. Why you’re getting downvoted just shows the lack of understanding for what makes a healthy human, healthy
erevos33@reddit
Break a leg.
sneaky-pizza@reddit
Cry all you want. People still need heath care, even if they eat like you describe. Steve Jobs, a juice vegan, died of pancreatic cancer. You are just tone deaf and telling people to veggie their way out of all their problems
face4theRodeo@reddit
That’s just a really myopic view of eating. No one is crying for you. We’re really just saying that if you want a better chance at survival, you’ll eat better. Processed foods and one stop fixes won’t save you; eating a diet in veganism, might, prevent you from some heinous diseases. You do you. You always have.
MeateatersRLosers@reddit
I literally said "It’s a very powerful foundation but not a miracle cureall."
Why cannot people read anymore?
With a firm foundation, a house can still be hit by a tornado. Without a firm foundation, it just won't stand long.
sneaky-pizza@reddit
You are insufferable, and no one likes you or they way you defend these policies to rip away health care from millions. Go back to MAGA land psycho
walkingkary@reddit
So this person above will never have an accident or someone do something stupid that hurts them because they eat healthy. Sure.
MeateatersRLosers@reddit
I literally said "It’s a very powerful foundation but not a miracle cureall."
I can't cure your illiteracy with diet, for instance.
Proud_Tie@reddit
being a vegan ain't gunna solve my deformed hips and knees.
MeateatersRLosers@reddit
I wonder why I said that.
BrightBlueBauble@reddit
I’m a long time vegan in my 50s, so I know the health benefits of a plant based diet. We are at lower risk for many diseases. However, even people with the best habits can fall ill and need healthcare. Communicable diseases, cancer, accidents, genetic disorders, allergic reactions, etc., can happen to anyone. And the older you get, the more likely something will happen that will send you to the hospital—a cold that turns into pneumonia, a heart arrhythmia, a fall.
Smart people also utilize preventative care like an annual physical, blood tests, and cancer screenings like mammograms, prostate checks, and colonoscopies. These can quickly become out-of-reach to all but the wealthy without health insurance.
We have to be careful with how we frame sickness. Unfortunately, the wellness industry is closely tied to eugenics and fascism. The idea that some people (typically the poor, disabled, elderly, etc.) are deserving of illness because they don’t (can’t) perform the rituals of wellness adequately, and this less deserving of care, is dangerous and wrong. The current head of Health and Human Services in the US, RFK Jr., is a eugenicist with financial interests in the wellness and anti-vaccine industries and holds this view. He has made comments suggesting that the lives of people with certain conditions are worthless, so we should all be very concerned.
Vegetaman916@reddit
Not weird. People here don't always like the idea of preparing in advance, or taking preventive measures to ensure certain things can't happen to them.
And here I am, turning 50 next year, never been hospitalized, closest I came was some bad strep throat once... the best solution to insurance, in my opinion, is to not need it. That track record also means that my own costs, for a totally self-paid health plan, is 196 bucks a month.
The problem here is that no one wants to prepare for collapse or any other "bad events" in life. They want life to just be all rainbows and unicorns, all the time. And they make jokes about those who do prepare...
Oh well. Jokes on them, I guess. I'm still eating food bought by the pallet at pre-pandemic prices while everyone else bitches about inflation. Hell, I still have batteries, toilet paper, and even building supplies from that major stock up... but I'm the fool too.
GmbHLaw@reddit
You are now a mod of r/preppers
Physical_Ad5702@reddit
Smart
Lord_Vesuvius2020@reddit
It’s hard to see a scenario where the problem described in the article (of the expiry of ACA subsidies) doesn’t happen. The OBBB will cut Medicaid but the ACA subsidies just end. Republicans will not do anything to preserve it. The only thing that could come out of the ashes is that the millions who had health insurance will remember what it was like and demand something like Medicare for All as a campaign issue in 2028. It will fall to states to come up with something in the meantime.
DelcoPAMan@reddit
Yeah, good luck with that outside of New England and a few other very blue states.
Fatticusss@reddit
Especially after abolishing FEMA. The red states getting wrecked by climate change are going to get the worst of this.
davicrocket@reddit
It’s worse. I live in Louisiana, and with the cuts to Medicaid, insurance companies pulling out, and climate change getting worse, the next big hurricane to hit our state is likely going to completely remove all civilization from its path of destruction. Hurricanes are going to become big erasers. The entire gulf coast, all 20 million people, are going to become climate refugees over the next decade
PM_me_your_trialcode@reddit
Should blue states accept red state refugees?
davicrocket@reddit
It doesn’t work like that. I can freely move to any state I want. Refugees aren’t immigrants if their still in their own country
Jung_Wheats@reddit
For now.
davicrocket@reddit
I can not foresee any future where there is restricted interstate travel. This is simply not possible. Our road infrastructure was not build with this ability. Take a state like Texas, which has hundreds if not thousands of different roads crossing their border. It would take hundreds of billions of dollars to build out check points and staff personnel to patrol these borders. There is no world where this is feasible
hagfish@reddit
Except that they're already busy doing basically that with regard to immigration. And you're quite right - it's about $171 billion.
Jung_Wheats@reddit
You're right, from a purely logistical standpoint.
I do think it's very likely to see armed checkpoints and similar on major roads at some point, especially once Balkanization of the US really begins.
LunarTaxi@reddit
Well in legal terms yes. You are right. But when we talk about climate refugees that means someone taking refuge from the climate catastrophe in another location. That’s my understanding. No?
vandemonland@reddit
They could bring their retrograde views with them…and forever change blue states.
DelcoPAMan@reddit
Minus the many who will die.
davicrocket@reddit
I’m not counting the lucky ones
WishIWasALemon@reddit
My very blue state (WA) has already cut dental care for adults from their (apple health) state medical because of trumps bs.
trivetsandcolanders@reddit
That’s terrible. I hate the separation of dental insurance from health insurance so much. Healthy mouth = healthy body
LunarTaxi@reddit
Oregon plans to have its OHP funded by 2027
PM_me_your_trialcode@reddit
I don’t doubt that some people will come around, but are Republicans acting like they’re worried about winning elections anymore?
moobycow@reddit
The one coherent argument against universal healthcare has always been that Republicans are sometimes in charge of the government and you do not want Rs in charge of healthcare.
Unfortunately, where that leaves us is completely fucked.
Otherwise-Product-60@reddit
Something like 1/7 of Americans get their healthcare under the ACA. (I am one of them.)
I pay over $800 a month for one person.
They are trying to make impossible if you don't have the means to pay, but they are also trying to make it impossible if you do.
I guess you are just supposed to be rich enough to pay for everything out of pocket.
hagfish@reddit
So when 1-in-7 Americans stop consuming hospital services, are the hospitals and insurance companies expected to let go 1/7 of their staff? Or will it be more than that?
Cultural-Answer-321@reddit
I can't even imagine paying $800 or more per month for anything other than a place to live.
Mostly because I do not have that kind of money. I also don't have medical insurance and never will at the going rate.
4BigData@reddit
> I guess you are just supposed to be rich enough to pay for everything out of pocket.
It's back to Natural selection, just be healthy
Ttthhasdf@reddit
They want shorter lines.
scarfknitter@reddit
I would be dead without the ACA. That is not hyperbole.
spacegamer2000@reddit
Who cares? The aca never lowered costs. Maybe next generation can do reform that's worth a damn.
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fatfatcats@reddit
It really did lower costs tremendously, and it's super easy to verify. It saved American people 2.3 TRILLION dollars from 2010 to 2017. https://www.statnews.com/2019/03/22/affordable-care-act-controls-costs/Spouting nonsense and regurgitating plain lies is harmful and you are accountable for the discourse you create, even if it's just on reddit.
spacegamer2000@reddit
Healthcare costs never once went down, are you blue maga?
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fatfatcats@reddit
I am not arguing how I feel, I have evidence to back me up. I am a socialist, bordering on social anarchist, so I don't know where that places me on your political purity test. I certainly am not sucking any establishment dick, if that's what you are implying. These acts, while deeply flawed, were moves in the right direction and taking them away with no backup plan in place other than "we all die" is going to do active harm to Americans, the poorest of Americans.
spacegamer2000@reddit
Oh we got a purity test whiner, sounds like blue maga to me. Sorry we expected lower costs when every democrat swore up and down there would be lower costs jfc
fatfatcats@reddit
I actually thought you wanted a discussion but now I see that you are just an angry little dude. Go read a book.
spacegamer2000@reddit
Purity test whining and name calling when someone doesn't accept your bs is blue maga all the way. Healthcare expenses never once went down no matter how you try to cook the books.
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littlepup26@reddit
Cool cool cool, guess I'll just die then 🤸♂️
Cheetawolf@reddit
They won't let you.
Your suffering is profitable.
AndrogynousAndi@reddit
Why do you think suicide is illegal?
imalostkitty-ox0@reddit
It literally is, and while I’m sure your point is well taken, I’d expect the mods to have a word with you.
AndrogynousAndi@reddit
Ah, the tone. My comment was agreement, not argument.
Huh, even mentioning suicide in theoretical sense you think is reason enough for the mod hammer? I'm not so sure, but I suppose we'll see.
It's certainly not the most egregious thing I've said on Reddit.
Fatticusss@reddit
I once had a comment removed for implying I would defend myself if I were attacked. Reddit is fast becoming a garbage heap.
PimpinNinja@reddit
Right there with you on that. We had a family discussion about it and we're all on the same page. They're not taking anyone from this house, unless it's in a bag.
If they want to ban me, that's fine.
AndrogynousAndi@reddit
Oh, well I said I started carrying so I wouldn't be the only one to leave in a bag. But that's instigating violence or something. Shrug Just seems like that's what we should all be doing with fascists.
AndrogynousAndi@reddit
I got a three day suspension for that not long ago about the uh.. modern gestapo, but that was Reddit, not mods. Mods are usually way more chill ime.
Fatticusss@reddit
Really depends on the sub
dovercliff@reddit
No, we just get worried if people are being serious. Dark humour? We get that. We make those jokes ourselves.
You're fine.
steelydan_dot_exe@reddit
Don’t be so dramatic. Trump has had concepts of a plan for ten years to fix this, ya know.
Fatticusss@reddit
This is the goal. You either need to be wealthy, or a healthy wage slave. No in between for the GOP.
Educational-Piano786@reddit
Let them do it. Let them take everything away that keeps America docile. Let these rich atrophied fucks find out.
Jung_Wheats@reddit
They'll find out by flying to another country and watching us eat each other on TV.
The insane wealth makes these people basically untouchable, unless it's Luigi style.
erraticassasin@reddit
At this point it feels like their goal is for people to die. A purge of the lower and middle classes. Maybe trying to kill off aging boomers and sick people? I don’t see any other explanation. They know what they are doing. They have access to this information. They are doing it anyway.
sojayn@reddit
I do like the flaws in their plan. Firstly bc imma nurse and i know they can’t lose all the science and expect to be ok. Secondly bc i have read a lot of sci fi and know they cant physically protect themselves.
It wont work. They will kill alot of us finding out.
mctCat@reddit
I have felt like that’s been the goal for a while now. It’s why they got so excited about covid. “maybe it will kill all the homeless, coma patients, anyone in a SNF, all this disabled people on benefits. All a bunch of freeloaders!” I 100% imagine this is what they are saying.
Dangermouse0@reddit
Wull, yeah. Once the stats were showing that black people were getting infected at much higher rates, chump immediately called to send everyone back to work - especially, specifically, essential workers, which are largely lower earning jobs and predominately held by people of color.
StillPrint6505@reddit
This is rough to read. I make over 400% of the FPL as a family size of 1, so I may not be able to get my health insurance next year….
TMag73@reddit
TMag73@reddit
MAGA voted for this. I hate them, there is no excuse, cuz more than half the country saw the lies and knew Project 2025 was their plan. MAGA can go fuck themselves.
Aurelar@reddit
I remember crossposting the thread about the collapse of the emergency medical system in the USA, and this article further supports the thesis of that post: when Medicaid subsidies and the ACA die, people will flood the ER for emergency medical help, or try to, and the system will not be able to handle that much of a shift in that short a period of time, and it will collapse.
What we have right now is not just a shift that allows people to participate in the healthcare system, but also a way to allow people to pay doctors and nurses money to keep them in their jobs, because of the insurance poorer consumers have. When that goes away, expect doctors and nurses to be squeezed to by the lack of consumer benefits coming their way.
MeateatersRLosers@reddit
After a certain point, American Empire will unravel, we will have to learn to make do with less as global wealth inflow slows (be it raw material, goods, talent), and take care of each other.
The richest won’t like it, will strip mine America itself metaphorically, supported by the classes that hold them up - the political elite and the police.
Already happening.
littlepup26@reddit
I've noticed that some healthcare providers in my city have begun to forgo insurance entirely and just set fixed prices for everyone, including lower prices for low income folks. I hope we start to see more of that
DarthFister@reddit
Wow great time for me to be diagnosed with an autoimmune disease
hagamuffin@reddit
Same, ugh...
Appalled23@reddit
It took him what, 20 years?, but they did it. Devoted little zealots, they.
scarey99@reddit
When you guys have no people left there won't be any people left to profit from. Time to rise guys!!!
CheerleaderOnDrugs@reddit
I want to see the healthcare coverage cut for our Congress, and especially the judicial and executive branches, after this passes.
Let them feel the Pain of the People, then maybe shit might change.
dbutler1986@reddit
Unfortunately they're in charge of that
JediMasterReddit@reddit
MAGA politicians don’t represent the United States. They represent a trans-national crime syndicate. When will people finally get this?
aznoone@reddit
Maybe next they will say no right to free emergency care. Pay up front or no treatment.
NorthMathematician32@reddit
I am one of those people. The premium for my ACA plan will triple.
cr0ft@reddit
Well, say what you want about America becoming a continent sized dumpster fire of terror and death, it's certainly an entertaining spectacle from the outside. Our dumpster fire of death moment here is still a little ways out.
Mercuryshottoo@reddit
Yeah that's what we thought back in 08. Life comes at you fast! Good luck, fellow world citizen