46% of Adults Worldwide Hold Significant Antisemitic Beliefs, ADL Poll Finds
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ScientificSkepticism@reddit
You can easily find their 11 questions online, and while I'd say that two of them are objectively true ("Jews tend to stick together more than other people" and "Israel has too much power in the US today") many of the rest are obviously discriminatory. It's a bad sign if less than half the people have factual knowledge of the Holocaust.
PartySr@reddit
ADL thinks that every criticism of Israel is the same as criticizing all the jewish people. Their results are just as useless as Trump
Funny thing is that these people are trying to stay relevant by buying views on twitter. They had 5 millions views and only 200 likes on a twitter post.
handsoapdispenser@reddit
Yeah it's sad. The ADL was once a gold standard and they've just opted to be a political tool for Israel instead.
Zipz@reddit
You do realize the guy above you is lying and wrong about the definition that the adl uses for antisemitism right?
underwaterthoughts@reddit
As often the case Zipz, it’s because you’re lying and people see through it.
Here’s a quick recent article explaining it for you and (more likely) those wanting to learn more about the subject.
The lobbying surge coincides with a controversial 2022 Greenblatt speech in which he equated anti-Zionism with antisemitism, and promised the ADL will “use our advocacy muscles to push policymakers to take action”.
Zipz@reddit
And here’s the actual definition and why you just embarrassed yourself
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
If you just took a second to look around at my other comments in this thread you would of saved yourself from embarrassment
“Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.”
You can criticize israel and not be labeled antisemitic. The guy above you lied and said it makes any criticism of israel anti semtic.
underwaterthoughts@reddit
That’s not the ADL’s website is it.
Here’s the ACLU’s opinion on the act.
Here’s what the ADL president said on CNN, referenced in the article I linked.
In late April, during a CNN appearance, the ADL president, Jonathan Greenblatt, likened the student groups to Hezbollah, a US-designated terrorist organization. In its online antisemitism tracker regularly cited by mainstream media, the ADL often attributes “support for terror” to anti-war and ceasefire rallies by Jewish groups such as Jewish Voice for Peace.
“Iran has their military proxies like Hezbollah, and Iran has their campus proxies like these groups, like Students for Justice in Palestine, Jewish Voice for Peace,” Greenblatt said on CNN.
Zipz@reddit
Perfect.
It’s wild how instead of admitting your mistake you ran away
Zipz@reddit
That’s the definition the ADL uses Jesus freaking Christ.
This is wildly embarrassing for you
underwaterthoughts@reddit
As ever Zipz we’ll go round and round in circles here. The ADL clearly believe, and lobby for, anti-zionism to be equated with antisemitism.
Here’s an article from their website where they expressly state ‘anti-Zionism is indeed antisemitism’
Here’s the president of the ADL claiming ‘anti-zionism is antisemitism’ in an address to the ADL’s leaders.
Here’s an article discussing how som ADL staff members themselves were outraged by these comments.
Not sure how much more clear I can paint it pal.
Zipz@reddit
No we aren’t going in circles. You are purposely being dishonest.
A second ago you said the IHRA definition of antisemitism isn’t the one adl uses. You even said what I linked wasn’t the adl. So I linked the adl’s website and it clearly says it uses the IHRA definition.
It’s wild that you cannot even admit you were wrong about something like that.
Like I said grow up and admit your mistakes
Zipz@reddit
Actually no they don’t. It’s really crazy how often this misinformation gets brought up.
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
“Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.”
underwaterthoughts@reddit
As above, yes it does. They actively campaigned to consider criticism of Israel and zionism antiseptic.
Referenced here.
Zipz@reddit
Lmfaooo I gave you the definition we are talking about and it showed you were wrong yet you still want argue.
You are something else
underwaterthoughts@reddit
No, you didn’t, you linked to the IHRA site, not the whole act.
Here’s the ACLU’s response to the act the ADL were supporting equating criticism of the israel government with antisemitism.
Zipz@reddit
Check out my last response make sure you see the edit.
Let me know when you are ready to admit you were embarrassingly wrong.
underwaterthoughts@reddit
As ever Zipz we’ll go round and round in circles here. The ADL clearly believe, and lobby for, anti-zionism to be equated with antisemitism.
Here’s an article from their website where they expressly state ‘anti-Zionism is indeed antisemitism’
Here’s the president of the ADL claiming ‘anti-zionism is antisemitism’ in an address to the ADL’s leaders.
Here’s an article discussing how some ADL staff members themselves were outraged by these comments.
Not sure how much more clear I can paint it pal.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
How to admit you didn't look at the study on one comment
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
ADL + study. That alone disqualifies everything about it.
loggy_sci@reddit
IPSOS is respected and does legit research, regardless of the client
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
It’s still a private company that makes its own decisions and does not need to explain them to anyone.
loggy_sci@reddit
So? They also have a professional reputation to maintain and abide by professional ethics. You just don’t like their client (ADL) so you question IPSOS for doing work with them.
Do you have any specific issues with the research which I’m sure you read or just some vague insinuations about IPSOS?
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Reputation is subjective and can be influenced and manipulated.
BBC has a professional “reputation” but that has not prevented it from blatant censorship and skewing reality.
The idea that a private company has a “reputation” that it could “lose” has been disproved by this war.
loggy_sci@reddit
Do you have any evidence of any of this happening or is this another one of your opinions that is based on your feeling and not any kind of facts?
Again, you don’t like the ADL or Israel and so you reflexively question IPSOS which has been running this survey for years. You can’t point to a single thing that shows there is some kind of conspiracy or bias here.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/06/19/media/wikipedia-adl
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/jan/05/adl-pro-israel-advocacy-zionism-antisemitism
No one disputes the ADL’s bias. That is why people are trying to claim that IPSOS’s reputation somehow counteracts that.
It doesn’t.
loggy_sci@reddit
And yet you cannot point to anything that is amiss other than what wikipedia editors say about them. lol Please point out what in this research, which has been done for years, is wrong and biased?
If you don’t like ADL or trust what they do with the research that is another matter entirely.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Besides the fact that they tried to claim 2 billion people are antisemitic because they interviewed 1,000 people?
loggy_sci@reddit
You don’t know how surveys work and it shows.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Yeah IPSOS went out of their way to lie for the ADL just to make their data work for them
This level of xenophobia is disgusting
HalfLeper@reddit
‘Xenophobia.’ You keep using that word—I do not think it means what you think it means…
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
IPSOS was not the only polling company used.
X-XIQ@reddit
Who's definition of antisemitism are they using? Do you think the polling firm would use their own parameters, or those provided by the commissioning entity? Why do you keep bringing this up like the results aren't going to be skewed? Fuck.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Yeah that sneaky ADL tricking people into saying that Jews are the cause of the majority of the worlds wars. How dare they use such a ridiculous characterization of antisemtism
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Dude it’s the ADL. I am ashamed that ADL exists honestly and that it tries to represent me.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
IPSOS conducted the study, ADL commissioned it and then published the results
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Yeah. ADL is paying money to achieve a specific objective.
They are buying a service.
They are not “buying truth”.
ADL only exists to ostensibly fight antisemitism.
You aren’t going to announce reductions in antisemitism.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
So, you're implying: IPSOS, possibly the most respect market research firm on earth, faked their research at the request of the ADL? The ADL somehow forced IPSOS to have these results come in by publishing it themselves?
PartySr@reddit
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
So 40% of people under 35 thinking Jews start the majority of the worlds wars is "criticism of Israel" hey?
PartySr@reddit
No, is not. Is just I don't believe anything they say. They accused Mamdani of antisemitism and defended Musk nazi salute, on top of so many other cases where none of that was remotely related to antisemitism.
They are far too biased to provide a study that shows the level of antisemitism in the world. We need an independent study.
Zipz@reddit
But you believe the guy above you who lied about the definition of anti semitism the adl uses ?
Interesting how that’s not a problem though right?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
This is just xenophobia. The very first sentence explains that ADL did this pool in coordination with IPSOS and others. So unless all the pollsters coordinated together to make it seem like the big bad Jews were getting hatred for no reason this doesn't track
The ADL is too biased to provide a study on antisemtism... JFC
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Are you only a Nazi if you do it -twice- three times in public?
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Well we know this is not the case at all.
60-70% of the world’s population doesn’t even really know what Judaism is.
That is like asking the average American to describe Theravada Buddhism, what makes it unique and its history.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
60% to 70% of the world not knowing what Judaism is lends itself to embracing antisemtic tropes
That's not the slam dunk you think it was
Ah yes hating Jews is equivalent to an academic understanding of Buddhism. Exactly the same level of cognition required
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
That is like saying because most people do not understand Hinduism, they are anti-Hindu.
It’s a ridiculous statement.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
People who don't understand Hinduism will be more likely to be prejudiced against them, yes
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
No, they just won’t have an opinion on it.
You can’t have an opinion on something you don’t know exists.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
You think they don't know Jews exist? Lmao
Decent_Cheesecake_29@reddit
Link to the actual questions?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
11 index questions have been the exact same since the 60's but the other questions get mixed in based on current events
I'll post the questions here as well since the website is not the best
Jews stick together more than other Americans
Jews always like to be at the head of things.
Jews are more loyal to Israel than America.
Jews have too much power in the U.S. today.
Jews have too much control and influence on Wall Street.
Jews have too much power in the business world.
Jews have a lot of irritating faults.
Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.
Jewish business people are so shrewd that others don’t have a fair chance at competition.
Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind.
Jews are (not) just as honest as other business people
Here is the latest version of the data but the website is not very mobile friendly:
https://www.adl.org/adl-global-100-index-antisemitism
Academic_Lifeguard_4@reddit
“the survey asked other questions related to Jews, as well as attitudes towards Israel and engagement with Israeli people and businesses”
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
40% of people under 35 said Jews cause the majority of the worlds wars
Please tell me how that's the ADL saying criticism of Israel is antisemtic
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
The ADL thinks if you get their order wrong at a coffee shop it’s antisemitism.
Michael_Gibb@reddit
Considering the ADL is fully on board with the IHRA definition of antisemitism, this poll will, without a doubt, be grossly inaccurate.
Any definition that basically lumps in criticism of Israel or disagreement with Israeli government policies, with hatred or discrimination against Jews, is hardly a viable definition for a word that is supposed to refer to prejudice against Jews.
Zipz@reddit
Hey look more misinformation
From their website
“Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.”
It’s wild how many of you guys patriot the same misinformation because you read a Reddit comment somewhere instead of actually looking it up
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AsterKando@reddit
Does anyone legitimately believe anything the ADL finds at this point? I strongly doubt that even the most pro-Israel and hardcore Zionist legitimately considers the ADL as source of authority. I’m convinced its entire purpose is political and the people clutching their pearls over every ADL finding are just trying to maintain the bullshit notion that it’s somehow an authority on any of this.
Turgius_Lupus@reddit
It doesn't matter a this point, its there for politicians in the west and their backers to keep funding Israel, and maybe to scare Jews into moving to Israel keep its demographics up, or buy Israeli bonds.
SunderedValley@reddit (OP)
You'd be surprised just how much reach they have. For starters? Most newspapers and mainline TV stations will incorporate their opinions at least somewhat despite being about as scientific as the DEA.
AsterKando@reddit
Tbf those platforms are already bought and will unconditionally support Israel with or without the ADL. Same with people. If you’re still with Israel, pretty much nothing is going to change that.
shugthedug3@reddit
The ADL that were OK with Elon Musk giving Sieg Heils.
Lets just say they've got absolutely no credibility whatsoever on this topic. I'd go as far as to say they're actively malicious when it comes to antisemitism.
imunfair@reddit
Helps bump up the numbers when you no longer define antisemitism as hate and start including noticing over-representation in industries like hollywood as "antisemitic tropes". I still remember when the wind knocked over a bunch of grave stones in a jewish cemetery and they called it a hate crime. When noticing and speaking about hate is your business, it doesn't hurt to notice things that aren't hate as "problems" to drum up more business.
More_Net4011@reddit
ADL has warped the definition of Anti Semitism to mean pro genocide or bust. So if you don't support the IDF's genocide in Gaza you are a bigot. Its actually crazy because the world is collectively waking up to groups like the ADL and AIPAC being the white washers of genocide.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
40% of people under 35 thinking Jews cause the majority of worlds wars
"This is a criticism of Israel"
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
It’s a private study by the ADL.
You can clearly see their agenda in how they try to argue 2 billion+ people are antisemitic.
There are not 2 billion people on this planet who know what antisemitism means.
ADL is right to point out 20% of people don’t know what the holocaust is. That is probably a low number.
Because people in China don’t read Anne Frank’s Diary and watch Schindler’s List. And that is fine.
We don’t teach our students about Nanking or the genocide of Chinese people by the Japanese.
ADL is ostensibly an organization that fights antisemitism.
Naturally, they will depict that problem as widespread and a serious problem because it is in their interests.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Oh look what you intentionally skipped over
I wonder why you ignored that? Can't use your xenophobia to say we can't trust IPSOS
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
So because they “coordinated” with IPSOS, we can’t criticize it?
I guarantee you that no one in China is obsessed with “Jews controlling the media”. Same with India.
This study is attempting to take a particular view among ~8-10% of the world’s population and make it seem like a pressing issue.
I’ll give you one example. When the Israeli representative to UN put on that gold star for a speech lambasting whatever perceived discrimination, people on Chinese social media didn’t understand it.
They initially thought “oh it’s a gold star, like a reward?”
But they don’t understand what that means.
You can even broadly look at China’s attitude towards Israel in the UN. China is the only nation that tells Israel to shut up or to respect the UN.
And China is a country that lost 4 times as many civilians dead during WW2.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
By coordination it means they paid for it to done and IPSOS conducted research
Well that's incredibly stupid of you to think so
https://mosaicmagazine.com/picks/politics-current-affairs/2023/03/the-chinese-thinker-who-claims-that-the-jews-are-his-countrys-number-one-enemy/
https://chinamediaproject.org/2023/07/18/jewish-conspiracy-theories-find-an-audience-in-china/
India actually isn't terribly antisemtic but it exists:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_India
"Increasing antisemtism is being made out to be a pressing issue how ridiculous is that??"
If you say Tianamen square they also don't know what you're talking about. So I guess that means there's no crackdowns on people on China who peotest
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Study was carried about by IPSOS by the way
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/antisemitic-attitudes-are-widespread-globally
More_Net4011@reddit
Israel has started quite a few wars.
Hapchazzard@reddit
Tbh, this doesn't seem unbelievable to me? Being against Israel =/= being antisemitic, I completely agree, and this might hold true among the people protesting at college campuses, but like... do y'all really think the average blue collar bloke on the street in places like Pakistan, Brazil, Russia, China, South Africa cares about those kinds of academic niceties?
I'm from southeastern Europe and I've heard legit outrageously antisemitic shit (which I won't deign to repeat) from multiple different, college-educated people around me. If you can hear that kind of shit from educated people in an European country, I can't imagine what people really think in places where the topic is even more emotionally charged like the Middle East.
SunderedValley@reddit (OP)
I don't think distinguishing between the governments (North , South, oligarchic, Royal, communist, etc) of the Korean peninsula having an almost unbroken history of being utterly horrific & corrupt pieces of shit and the Korean identity is all that academic or difficult.
Antisemitic ideas have certainly been rather persistent but I think we should give Joe Six-pack a little more intellectual credit.
jaynic1@reddit
I dismissed this because the adl made themselves look like clowns with defending elon musk but since they were rated as mostly factual I decided to give it a read. Pretty much everything is as you would expect.
Kuwait having the same level of hostility as palestine stood out and,
I've seen the sentiment around reddit (here too) of israel being the source for all of the middle east's problems (they arent) but not it being jews and all of the world. I think the adl didnt do a breakdown of it region by region like earlier and instead opted to saying worldwide is because this specific sentiment is mostly prevalent in the middle east, which again isnt surprising.
Current_Finding_4066@reddit
Maybe Zionists can stop terrorising Palestinians. It will help their worldwide imafe
toomanyshoeshelp@reddit
The ADL is a terrorist supporting far right organization.