UPDATE: Man found dead next to gun on Canfield Mountain in Idaho. Shelter-in-place order lifted. Press conference to be held at 9:30 PM local time.
Posted by ValiantBear@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 121 comments
This is in response to the earlier post about the Active Shooter situation in Idaho, here.
Unusual_Specialist@reddit
Act of terrorism. No?
Pizzasupreme00@reddit
You would have to know what the motivation was before you could know the answer.
ArthurBurtonMorgan@reddit
Name one motivation for luring a bunch of firefighters into an ambush for long range wholesale slaughter.
Don’t worry, I’ll wait.
Pizzasupreme00@reddit
What an unnecessarily snarky comment. Why? I didn't shoot the firefighters. How should I know why they did it?
The thing about terrorists is that they do things to instill fear in order to coerce people to further certain goals.
Maybe a firefighter fucked his wife. Maybe his girlfriend left him and married a firefighter. Maybe his abusive father was a firefighter. Maybe he was a firefighter who got let go. Maybe he was rejected from firefighter jobs. Maybe it was more about the opportunity than anything. Maybe he just wanted to be a different kind of killer.
Spell_Chicken@reddit
Maybe firefighters burned down their headquarters in that area on that day 24 years ago.
SnooPets8972@reddit
Ding Ding 🛎️
Sufficient-Ad-6788@reddit
Bingo -- great insight
Pizzasupreme00@reddit
Maybe
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Obviously it's all speculation but early reports say both the suspect's parents and sociañ media are crazy MAGA. It's pretty much confirmed why this happened.
blizmd@reddit
I remember when you said that fertility clinic bomber was a ‘confirmed magat’ which turned out to be a complete lie (on your part), so I’ll have to see someone else present some evidence
girl_from_venus_@reddit
Wife cheated with a firefighter, crazy maniac husband's wants to punish firefighters
ArthurBurtonMorgan@reddit
And class, what do we call crazy maniacs with guns that attempt to kill multiple innocent people over stupid shit?
Anyone? Anyone?
Terrorists.
Savings-Coffee@reddit
That might be the colloquial definition of terrorism, but most states have a legal definition involving a political rather than personal motive
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Not anymore. It matters more who the violence was directed toward. That's why keying a Tesla is terrorism but not assassinating 2 members of the opposing party over their stance on gay marriage.
Ebella2323@reddit
Luigi anyone? Remember him? The terrorist that we are all supposed to be terrified of? We almost forgot our hero amongst all this other utter fucking chaos.
Savings-Coffee@reddit
Right, if he is proved to have killed someone off political motives, he is a terrorist under NY law
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Except this is in Idaho where I already pointed out it's not Terrorism.
SnooPets8972@reddit
They don’t like being labeled domestic terrorist.
Savings-Coffee@reddit
I’m replying to a comment about Luigi Mangione, accused of a crime in New York, not this case.
Assuming the law you quoted is the only applicable statue in Idaho, then yes, it seems as if this attack wouldn’t be considered terrorism, and neither would Luigi’s if it was in Idaho.
fruderduck@reddit
He isn't forgotten. More like the tiny sharp tip on top of the iceburg that sunk the Titanic.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Mentioned in a lower comment, yeah. Billionaire victim, ruling party, terrorism check. If that was your point, sorry for being dense.
Ebella2323@reddit
Sorry, didn’t scroll far enough. And yes, that was my point, I was agreeing with you, just didn’t want to leave him out here ;)
Savings-Coffee@reddit
Every state has different laws. Federally, and in many states, there are no laws against domestic terror, which would apply to J6. This is why the Biden DOJ never charged anyone with terror.
No one has been charged with terror for vandalizing a Tesla
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Only because the chsrge doesnt exist. The official position of the Dept of Justice is property damage against Teslas is Domestic terrorism and is charged/investigated as such.
Savings-Coffee@reddit
I’m a believer that politically motivated property damage should be treated extremely harshly, but that it isn’t terror. 20 years seems reasonable for politically motivated arson that endangers the lives of firefighters who have to put it out. Bondi erred in calling it domestic terror.
7evenate9ine@reddit
Republicans are making less illegal to be domestic terrorists and in some cases they remove consequences all together. Democrats need to wake the fuck up to what is going on.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Yeah, that's exactly why I pointed out 1220. The bill's author, Kelly Anthon, said the change would protect free speech. Interesting view of free speech.
girl_from_venus_@reddit
No we do not.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Right? It's not like they did something horrible like keying a Tesla
girl_from_venus_@reddit
It doesn't really matter what they do ,its about why they di it.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Oh Honey no, not anymore. It's about who they did it to noe.
girl_from_venus_@reddit
What the fuck are you talking about?
It always was and still is about why it is done. You dont get to change
I dint know what the fuck j6 has anything to do with the definition of terrorism. tpardoning has nothing at all in the slightest to do with terrorism. The president can pardon anyone for any or no reason whatsoever, no matter what they were guilty of. If they caught and charged Osama the president could have pardoned him if Osama promised to take a shit on the White House copy of the constitution and there is absolutely nothing anyone could do about that.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Oh don't play dumb, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Terrorism only applies when the violence is directed toward the property or person of the ruling party. Anything else is not Terrorism. That's why you can shoot 2 democrats and not have it be terrorism but scratching a parked car is terrorism
girl_from_venus_@reddit
What fucking ruling party? There are no parties that decide what terrorism is or isn't. There is no party that controls the English language
Seriously. What are you talking about
Shooting Democrats for their policies is terrorism, why would you think otherwise? Like genuinely, what ?
Who gets CHARGED with terrorism has nothing at all , in the slightest, whatsoever, to do with if something is terrorism or not.
Charges are a judicial concept, while terrorism is a word in the English language. What one state or nation decides to prosecute has absolutely no bearing on the definition of the word
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Because they were never charged with terrorism.
Yes, it doesn't. YOU don't get to change that.
Right, it used to and the word meaning is changing. Now your definition in no way matters in any tangible way. You can scream into the air until you're blue in the face. It will never matter more than the actual reality of the situation unfolding around you. Shooting a healthcare executive for their hand in writing policy that lawfully denied your mother treatment coverage is terrorism in the US. Shooting opposing party members and their family for their affiliation and beliefs is not Terrorism. Not federally, not in the state the crime happened, not in any way that tangibly matters. Keying an unoccupied, parked car because you were illegally fired, rehired by judicial ruling, and then placed on permanent unpaid leave for made up reasons is terrorism. This is Trump's America
girl_from_venus_@reddit
No, the word has nothing changed just because ONE country's leadership has decided so.
Everyone else that speaks English in this planet still uses the correct definition. You do not get to change that.
Sorry,but your insane power fantasies where you are the big boy telling other kids how to play dont work in the real world.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Hey, it's okay. u/603rdMtnDivision said you're not arguing with me.
Jokes aside, no. The American definition of the word is changing. I've backed that up with numerous real life independently verifyable examples. You're resorting to swearing, numerous ad hominems, and petty rage because you have no substantial, tangible, or relevant retort besides repeating over and over your feelings which, frankly, don't change anything.
Again, I didn't change anything. The ruling party did. America did. Word meanings change over time and vary by region. In the US, under this ruling party, terrorism is about who is affected, not why. I'm sorry. I truly wishbIncould change it. Again, it's deplorable bit it's reality.
girl_from_venus_@reddit
Thanks but literally no one was talking about the definition in America.
Literally only you who for some reason came in and started yapping about it, when no one asked.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
girl_from_venus_@reddit
I genuinely have zero wishes for your shithole country besides it going under, so no I won't support any of the child killers that you suggest
blizmd@reddit
The person with whom you are arguing is a dude who just lies and gish gallops. He makes things up entirely to fit his political worldview and will not correct himself if called out. Arguing with him is pointless. I know ‘bad faith actor’ is an overused term on this website but he’s the exemplar of bad faith.
603rdMtnDivision@reddit
Hahaha hey stranger! Thanks for the ill wishes on my family! Good to know.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
I'm actually a Sugandan native.
603rdMtnDivision@reddit
They aren't angry at you or with you and aren't even arguing with what you're saying dude... you're all over the road here, relax.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
They're very clearly upset lmfao. I'm having a grand old time.
Blueporch@reddit
They need to start referring to them in derogatory terms and not by name so that seeking notoriety becomes less of an objective.
MICR0_WAVVVES@reddit
Multiple snipers means it was already a polyamorous relationship.
aztechunter@reddit
I mean, it happening in big anti-government land makes anything much less likely
AgileBet409@reddit
Another one, after the democrats in Minnesota? It’s more likely than you think.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Happened not far from where the Aryan Nation was established and where (now former) Republican Congress Matt Shea declared "total war" on the US. The Base also has a training camp nearby. Lots of crazies out there.
bristlybits@reddit
deep cut but:
https://www.deseret.com/2001/6/29/19593794/aryan-inferno/
crockett05@reddit
I suspect we have a winner...
joeg26reddit@reddit
Picture of shooter circulating that I saw last looked very brown skinned and black hair. Did they revise that recently?
crockett05@reddit
Oh.. I saw the picture you likely saw.. Isn't it funny that right wing media specifically used a picture of him that makes him look "darker"..
Here you go bud, this is his parents..
https://www.reddit.com/r/headlinepics/comments/1loc8g6/firefighters_murdered_by_maga_sniper/
SnooPets8972@reddit
Great response 🎯
crockett05@reddit
Yeah it seems they didn't want to use the picture showing him as clearly a white guy who was wearing a neo-Nazi death metal band picture....
SharkOnGames@reddit
I haven't seen any proof that's his parents yet. And every news outlet is using that photo, so not sure why you call it 'right wing' editing of the photo.
AgamemNoms@reddit
It literally says that's his step dad.
crockett05@reddit
I've seen no picture not even a name publicly released
always_creating@reddit
Seeing the Aryan Nations folks marching in CDA was a formative event in my young life. That was the point where it really hit home for me that the patriotic land of the free and home of the brave can have something deeply wrong under the surface.
3d_blunder@reddit
They are intensely stupid people.
boidcrowdah@reddit
Got my vote
Terrible-Piano-5437@reddit
Excellent find.
Beginning-Spend-3547@reddit
The plot thickens
boopboopbeepbeepwee@reddit
Published June 29
SenorBurns@reddit
Al Qaeda trains in Idaho?!?
bristlybits@reddit
they are not the smartest screws in the bucket
BILLIONAIRE_JESUS@reddit
So this is where Shea went huh? Good to know.
Huckedsquirrel1@reddit
Where is The Base’s training camp out there?
TheBlacktom@reddit
Are these groups similar to the guys at the end of Breaking Bad?
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Never seen it. The Base is a white supremacist group with Al Quieda style terrorist camps. Civil War to create a white ethnostate specifically modelled after Israel is their big thing. Aryan Nation is mostly famous as a prison gang these days but they're also a white supremacist gang. Less domestic terrorism, more drug and sex trafficking.
captainmustachwax@reddit
You from that area? Live in Idaho?
Simple_Seaweed_1386@reddit
Everyone who is familiar with things like elohim city knows about the pacific northwest. It's jam packed with white supremacists looking for a white ethno state. You don't have to be from there to know that.
kultureisrandy@reddit
Poor guy :/
LiftLaw1998@reddit
It’s like that with Far Cry 5 mixed in
Alarming-Art-3577@reddit
Not so fun fact al quieda actually means the base.
apikoros18@reddit
I thought it meant the source?
LystAP@reddit
It can be interpreted in a number of ways, but ‘the base’ is the common translation.
LystAP@reddit
I was thinking of that too.
ObviouslyNotALizard@reddit
No.
The biker gang in BB was a biker gang that happened to be racist.
These cats are so racist they want to do terrorism about this.
Two very different flavors of evil
(Re-watched BB like 3 months ago and was kind half out toward the end but I’m pretty confident in the above)
ChampionshipSalt1358@reddit
No I am 100% sure it is explicitly stated that Jack Welker and his gang are AyranBrotherhood. That is how they were able to hit all those guys in all those prisons basically all at once.
ObviouslyNotALizard@reddit
Oh yea, I totally forgot about the jail thing. Fair enough comment edited to reflect.
dashingsauce@reddit
If there is ever a place to wonder if the gov is doing weird remote experiments on people next to a military base, this is it
cyanescens_burn@reddit
They are doing weird remote experiments through socials and Telegram. Algorithms and propaganda.
F6Collections@reddit
Yup. Figure out what type of algos people react to for normal content, and then apply that to extreme content that will wind them up and you have a recipe for disaster.
No_Story_Untold@reddit
This is the anniversary of the fire department burning down an aryan nations headquarters.
crockett05@reddit
It's called the Northwest Territorial Imperative. Those groups are up there for a reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Territorial_Imperative
tof-corey@reddit
How at all is this reminiscent? Just the fire portion?
cyanescens_burn@reddit
About that. This is some interesting reading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Territorial_Imperative
FursonaNonGrata@reddit
Thanks for the good rundown.
JanelleVypr@reddit
So it seems like the if you wanted to get away from something like this you need to plant a weapon like the one your using on a different victim and then go hide in your spot until they leave
PsudoGravity@reddit
Assuming you can pull off scrubbing your DNA etc and planting their DNA etc convincingly... all that under life ending pressure...
JanelleVypr@reddit
Well, big fire, latex gloves, prior propper planning… if someone can hit a CEO in downtown NYC someone can hit some blue collar boys in the woods , unfortunately
My point is they made the all clear very quickly after just discovering a body next to a rifle. When they dont know how many shooters there are or even where exactly theyre coming from, id exercise caution. But of course i have no idea whats actually going on there
Girafferage@reddit
You can still leave finger prints with latex gloves. You'd want leather.
joeg26reddit@reddit
Double glove. Burn both
Girafferage@reddit
Nah. For the same reason 2 condoms is a bad idea.
kshizzlenizzle@reddit
No shit? I had no idea. Thank god I never started my criminal mastermind career, I’d have been toast for sure. 🤣
Girafferage@reddit
Eh, you might have googled it. But then I guess that search would have grilled you. Who knows. Who has the energy to be a criminal mastermind these days anyway.
Ordinary_Sky_6657@reddit
So that's why Dexter has a pair of leather gloves.
JanelleVypr@reddit
Id want both.
Girafferage@reddit
Dull-Hornet-2596@reddit
Yeah. Weren’t they saying shots were coming from different directions?
randoul@reddit
At the time of the first press conference yeah. Though such reports seem to be really rather common with events that turn out to be lone shooters in the end.
strappedMonkeyback@reddit
So long as the victim looked self inflicted or could they think they had shot the assumed perpetrator?
kultureisrandy@reddit
I cant imagine these white supremacist dipshits are intelligent enough to trick a forensics team by faking a self inflicted gun wound on a victim.
JanelleVypr@reddit
Thats extremely naive and is what leads to systems being taken advantage of in the first place. Isnt like rule number 1: “never underestimate the enemy?”
kultureisrandy@reddit
that's a good point, im just frustrated and lashing out leading to me underestimating them.
ThisAudience1389@reddit
I thought I read somewhere that shots were coming from multiple locations and they were certain there was more than one active shooter?
thefugue@reddit
There’s a saying in journalism: “Initial reports are always wrong.”
When things are first happening the threshold for information is extremely low and people repeat rumors, some from survivors who are in no position to be objective about what they saw or heard.
As a situation progresses reporting gets more evidence based and is reeled back to only that which can be vetted and confirmed.
BeautifulGreat1610@reddit
Almost every active shooter situation has a report of multiple shooters at the beginning from echoes and just that most people aren't used to being in that situation so they panic. It was probably just echoing off of the mountains. However if there was a situation where I'd think it could be multiple shooters its up in northern Idaho with all the militia etc they have up there.
Ok-Appearance-3360@reddit
That’s what I read too.
MezcalFlame@reddit
It's a special kind of scumbag to target firefighters (and EMS).
Enragedocelot@reddit
I agree though the US military does the exact same
LassenDiscard@reddit
"How can I make this about Gaza?"
More like "How'd that protest vote work out for you?"
Enragedocelot@reddit
Lol I’m not one to post anything about Gaza. Check my history if you’re gonna talk like that.
But I have a point. You don’t.
under_PAWG_story@reddit
When did the US military start shooting EMS?
IJustSignedUpToUp@reddit
We had a couple instances in Iraq of hitting field hospitals and ambulances in Iraq. Nothing on par with our JV squad though, they actively commit war crimes against marked ambulances and hospitals.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Or kids
overitallofittoo@reddit
We've already, as a society, said we're ok with that.
And we're probably ok with this.
FormerNeighborhood80@reddit
I can’t think of one good reason why anyone would be so stupid.
sonofchocula@reddit
aryan nations headquarters burned down