What large suv to buy other than suburban ?
Posted by National_Version_197@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 60 comments
I’m on my second suburban- the first, a 2015, transmission died around 100k miles . Current one is 2020 and the tranny just went out at 110k also. Kinda need a car than lasts more than 5 years. I have 4 kids three of whom are teens so a big suv is a must.. used is fine we aren’t millionaires but I prefer 2020 and beyond for features, have been looking at sequoias but hear the third row is uncomfortable .. I’ve loved my suburbans for the space and comfort but ya girl can’t keep buying a car every few years
Human-Equipment-2279@reddit
Im a single guy who got a Jeep Grand Cherokee L. No idea why I did this lol. Just trying to feel cool driving around i guess...but its a good balance of being big, but its not like an absolute monster like a High Country Suburban or Wagoneer L
Own-Milk5933@reddit
I loved my jeep in the ‘90s how’s the quality now a days
Solid_Enthusiasm550@reddit
Was the only thing wrong was the transmission?
If the rest was in good condition, why not get a transmission? Easily would go another 100k.
Jeep wagoneer
Nissan Armada
Toyota Grand highlander /Sequoia
Ford Expedition
Infiniti Qx80
X7
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/large-suvs
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
Not even positive yet I know it’s for sure the transmission based on symptoms- I haven’t had it fully diagnosed yet this just happened yesterday - getting ahead of myself asking for options because I like to be armed with info. I may end up getting a new transmission but I spoke at length with my mechanic today about how expensive it could end up being. I’d rather have a new to me car with lower miles than spend 10k on an arguably aging one- call me superficial 😅
Solid_Enthusiasm550@reddit
It's a 2020, Is it not under warranty?
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
100k miles even for my wrap coverage
foxxblood@reddit
Minivan and don't look back. They are awesome for a family with 4 kids.
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
Had two , prefer the suv
Ok_Engine_1442@reddit
Please read this
My point is that minivans do 90% of what an SUV does just better. The auto industry a has pushed people to buy these hug SUVs for double the price tag while the oil industry laughs its way to the bank for the smallest of margins to actually use that 10%.
Also if you need a 3 row SUV that means you have at least 2 kids. On avg that would be 21 years of child transportation. If you avg 30k mile a for 21 years. Thats 630,000 miles. If you take your AVG of 21 vs 36. That cost difference at 3.75 a gallon would be about $47,000.
Then you factor in a new vehicle every 100k miles that’s 6 vehicles purchases. Used 2023 GLS 51k 2023 Toyota sienna hybrid 37k. Thats another $84,000 difference.
Then you look at insurance difference over 21 years that’s probably $30,000. Add that all up. That’s about $134,000 over 21 years.
I divided out that 134,000 over 21 years. Put that $6,400 in a Roth yearly earning 4-7 percent that’s $204,000 to $287,000 after 21 years.
So when your kids go off to college I hope you don’t have to tell them you can’t help as much as you want to because I just wanted a fancy car. Or some medical condition comes along later life and can’t afford the care you want because I wanted to drive a Benz when I was younger.
Ok_Engine_1442@reddit
That is mostly your ego. And your ego is the one paying the bill. Here’s a little chatGPT info for you.
Here’s a clearer breakdown of the fuel‑cost difference over 100,000 miles:
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🚗 2020 Toyota Sienna Hybrid • Typical real‑world combined efficiency: ~32–36 mpg (users report around 32–36 mpg city/highway)  • Using a conservative 34 mpg average → ~2,941 gallons of gas
🛻 2020 Toyota Sequoia (5.7L V8) • EPA combined rating: 14–15 mpg  • Taking 15 mpg → ~6,667 gallons of gas
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⛽ Fuel cost calculation (based on ~$3.21/gal national average)
Current national average for regular gas is about $3.21 per gallon  .
Vehicle Gallons Used Total Cost Sienna Hybrid 2,941 gal $9,445 Sequoia 6,667 gal $21,405 Difference — $11,960 more for the Sequoia
So, driving 100,000 miles in the Sequoia V8 costs roughly $12,000 more than the Sienna Hybrid—nearly double the fuel expense. Even if gas spikes to $4.00/gal, the gap remains large: about $15,556 difference over 100k miles.
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💡 Why is this so big? • Fuel efficiency: ~34 mpg vs ~15 mpg cuts consumption by over half. • Per‑gallon cost: moderate national gas price (~$3.21) compounds over thousands of gallons.
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Summary
Over 100k miles, the Sequoia uses ~3,700 gal more than the Hybrid, resulting in roughly $12,000 extra in fuel costs (at current average prices). Even if real-world conditions shift mpg slightly, the hybrid’s advantage remains substantial.
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If you have different mpg estimates or local gas prices, we can recalculate based on that—just let me know!
Beef_Candy@reddit
I am glad to hear you're saving all that fuel for me to use while I barrel down the interstate as a family of six towing 6500lbs of ATVs behind me on a family expedition..... While getting our backs massaged and wafting along smoothly on air suspension that ensures even with the load... It's serenely comfortable.
No thanks.
Minivan is not the answer for a large number of people.
Ok_Engine_1442@reddit
Actually it’s the answer to most families. It’s really on the stigma that “mom van” was pushed.
I think somewhere I read that 70% of truck owners don’t tow or ever go off road. Most sold cant even fit what a mini van can without it sticking out the back.
So you’re in the minority and you know it. If you just went of what actually gets used on a daily basis trucks and large SUV are mostly completely wasted fuel, space and steel.
If you need to argue to justify your manhood we already know since you bought an expedition.
Beef_Candy@reddit
Actually, a Benz GLS is what we bought--- but an expedition or Preferably its derivative would have been the runner up. The fortunate part of justifying my manhood by my choice in vehicles is that I've managed to hang on to mine.
What I lose in MPGs (which is probably bottom 3 priorities for me) and a marginal loss in overall space against minivans is more than made up for by the exceptional material quality inside and out, air ride, an exceptional turbo V8, a snappy transmission, some serious AWD capabilities, respectable tow capacity, tons of tech and creature comforts, a fantastic sound system, and something that's actually pretty damn nice to look at. It's comfortable, fast, fun, capable, and makes me smile.
Ok_Engine_1442@reddit
Good for you, but again you made the statement for a large amount of people. A large amount of people aren’t buying a starting price of 90k car that drops half its value in 2 -3 years. Hell, it’s bad when GM has better depreciation than a Benz.
Beef_Candy@reddit
Nearly everything has better depreciation than Benz except Maserati. We knew when we bought it that it was going to be worth nothing when we got rid of it, you have to pay to play and I'm okay with that. We are averaging just over 30,000 mi a year on this vehicle, believe me I'm not worried about depreciation. I'm purely worried about enjoying the vehicle And getting my value out of it. Our interpretations of that value may be different, and that's okay.
You imply money as a factor in people's decision, and you're right, a lot of people who buy minivans couldn't afford the SUV that they wanted. Given that almost all big luxury SUVs that compete in size with minivans start in the neighborhood of that 80-90,000 range and nearly all depreciate like a car battery being dropped in the Pacific, I struggle to see your point. The people buying $90,000 SUVs are generally a lot less worried about depreciation, or they are buying them 2 years old so that somebody else took the big hit already (🙋♂️you found me. Less than half of MSRP at 51k, 11k miles. Stupid-good value.)
Ok_Engine_1442@reddit
My point is that minivans do 90% of what an SUV does just better. The auto industry a has pushed people to buy these hug SUVs for double the price tag while the oil industry laughs its way to the bank for the smallest of margins to actually use that 10%.
Also if you need a 3 row SUV that means you have at least 2 kids. On avg that would be 21 years of child transportation. If you avg 30k mile a for 21 years. Thats 630,000 miles. If you take your AVG of 21 vs 36. That cost difference at 3.75 a gallon would be about $47,000.
Then you factor in a new vehicle every 100k miles that’s 6 vehicles purchases. Used 2023 GLS 51k 2023 Toyota sienna hybrid 37k. Thats another $84,000 difference.
Then you look at insurance difference over 21 years that’s probably $30,000. Add that all up. That’s about $134,000 over 21 years.
I divided out that 134,000 over 21 years. Put that $6,400 in a Roth yearly earning 4-7 percent that’s $204,000 to $287,000 after 21 years.
So when your kids go off to college I hope you don’t have to tell them you can’t help as much as you want to because I just wanted a fancy car. Or some medical condition comes along later life and can’t afford the care you want because I wanted to drive a Benz when I was younger.
foxxblood@reddit
Fair enough 😉
Ok_Engine_1442@reddit
My point is that minivans do 90% of what an SUV does just better. The auto industry a has pushed people to buy these hug SUVs for double the price tag while the oil industry laughs its way to the bank for the smallest of margins to actually use that 10%.
Also if you need a 3 row SUV that means you have at least 2 kids. On avg that would be 21 years of child transportation. If you avg 30k mile a for 21 years. Thats 630,000 miles. If you take your AVG of 21 vs 36. That cost difference at 3.75 a gallon would be about $47,000.
Then you factor in a new vehicle every 100k miles that’s 6 vehicles purchases. Used 2023 GLS 51k 2023 Toyota sienna hybrid 37k. Thats another $84,000 difference.
Then you look at insurance difference over 21 years that’s probably $30,000. Add that all up. That’s about $134,000 over 21 years.
I divided out that 134,000 over 21 years. Put that $6,400 in a Roth yearly earning 4-7 percent that’s $204,000 to $287,000 after 21 years.
So when your kids go off to college I hope you don’t have to tell them you can’t help as much as you want to because I just wanted a fancy car. Or some medical condition comes along later life and can’t afford the care you want because I wanted to drive a Benz when I was younger.
earthman34@reddit
Maybe try actually maintaining the car and it will last longer. Suburbans will run forever with care.
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
I have . This just had a tune up and transmission fluid change not long ago three months maybe
earthman34@reddit
So replace the transmission and not the car.
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
I may end up doing that, waiting on cost, if my warranty will cover it etc. I posted to see what options are out there even if it’s not immediately- I think I’m ready to say goodbye to gmc
Beef_Candy@reddit
Fuck sakes. You minivan guys are persistent. Some of us will never stoop to your level, and many of us need far more utility than a minivan could ever provide.
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
Right ? lol I have had a minivan I don’t want another one ever 🤣
kneedoorman@reddit
Lincoln Navigator. Honestly it’s the only game in town if you have to throw grown kids in the third row.
Beef_Candy@reddit
Navigator/expedition are the best big SUVs right now, by a long shot.
kc_kr@reddit
Other than an Expedition, which is what he should get…
kneedoorman@reddit
At used prices the difference between the expedition and navigator start diminishing
You’d be a fool not to get the navigator
kc_kr@reddit
I don't know about a "fool". The Expedition comes pretty well equipped even in base trim and the Navi just has more stuff to worry about fixing once they get out of warranty.
Holiday_Candidate_59@reddit
Durango with the 5.7 hemi
MEMExplorer@reddit
Sequoia
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
That’s what I’m looking at. I love the space and the truckish feel of the suburban body but open to expanding my horizons .. my kids are older so technically we don’t need the hugest car out there to fit car seats etc and my 16yo is driving
MEMExplorer@reddit
Highlander if you want a little better gas mileage without sacrificing too much space
FordF150ChicagoFan@reddit
I think you meant Grand Highlander
dchef40@reddit
https://youtu.be/2UrVHcHLpIQ?si=a0TESqi5ZRROXz9n
FordF150ChicagoFan@reddit
The Suburban has exactly two competitors: the Ford Expedition Max and Jeep Wagoneer L.
The Sequoia is a Tahoe competitor, it's substantially smaller inside than a Suburban (and Tahoe for that matter). If you actually use the third row the Sequoia is quite the compromise. It also doesn't fold flat and has miserable cargo space. It's a massive downgrade in usability. You'd get more space out of a big ass crossover like a Chevy Traverse.
SailingSpark@reddit
Just out of curiosity, as I see a trend brewing. Did you ever get the transmission serviced before it went?
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
The alternator went out in the winter too and had to be replaced
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
I maintained both cars . This one actually just had a tune up like three months ago
Savings_Public4217@reddit
Those 6L80s are generally really strong transmissions, im honestly impressed youve managed to blow up 2 of them. On a 5 year old car I'd definitely go the route of rebuilding or sourcing a new transmission. They really shouldn't be failing that early as long as you do your maintenance sort of on time
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
Ya idk I do the oil changes religiously and this one just had a tune up I just drive in town , with the exception of a big camping trip once a year which we just got back from as this was happening
WaterIsGolden@reddit
Yeah I was wondering about that too. I sold my last couple Suburbans right around the 300k mark and neither had transmission issues. I assumed they were bulletproof.
I have never heard of those having problems at mileage as low as 100k.
krombopulousnathan@reddit
Other than the obvious Suburbans in different clothing (Yukon XL, Cadillac Escalade ESV) there are some options.
Most direct competition would be the Ford Expedition. Can’t say I would recommend this over the suburban though.
I would consider a Toyota Sequoia. I have a 2023 Tundra with the hybrid powertrain. I really like the truck, but it has not been reliable which is what you get with new Toyotas. They just aren’t dead on reliable anymore.
Other than that maybe a cargo van? Had a friend in high school who was 1 of 4 and their mom drove a Ford Econoline and they loved it. So you could get a Transit!
Grandemestizo@reddit
Ford Expedition is definitely worth looking at.
chibicascade2@reddit
Why didn't you just replace the transmission? That's significantly cheaper than getting a new vehicle.
Transmissions have to be serviced just like your engine. You'll need to get someone to drain and fill the fluid on it every 40k miles or so, depending on the transmission model.
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
That’s option 1 for sure, we replaced it on our first suburban. I don’t know a ton about cars, but I also don’t want to sink a ton of $ into a higher mileage car and have something else go wrong. From what I’m reading the newer suburbans don’t have amazing longevity
chibicascade2@reddit
I feel like most of the newer vehicles aren't great on reliability. Toyota is supposedly still pretty good, but not like they used to be. Some of those 2000s suburbans could get up to 300k miles though.
cookie-ninja@reddit
Yeah no Toyota and Honda kinda went down the shitter last few years. Which coincidentally is when they've been catching up on tech.
InternationalIdea606@reddit
I just bought a Cadillac Vistiq for my wife, it’s EV, but it’s an amazing large SUV.
Stielgranate@reddit
Old 7.3L ford excursion. I still wish they made those.
HotmailsInYourArea@reddit
I mean, a new transmission every 5 years is a HELL of a lot cheaper than a new car payment. Gotta keep things in perspective
Kent89052@reddit
Ford expedition
Substantial-Onion-92@reddit
Honda pilot
nattyd@reddit
Just get a minivan already. They’re awesome.
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
I had my share.. hate them and that’s probably vanity
nattyd@reddit
Well at least you’re honest about it. I would wager if you turn off your biases, a black pack Pacifica Hybrid is better looking than any large SUV except maybe the Rivian.
AlwaysBagHolding@reddit
Manual swap and delete the DOD/AFM on the suburban and enjoy your 500k mile vehicle.
National_Version_197@reddit (OP)
This sounds like another language 🤣 I wish I knew more about cars ..
AlwaysBagHolding@reddit
Get rid of the automatic, convert it to a manual from an older Chevy pickup. I’d use a 5 speed NV4500. No more transmission failures. The next thing to fail is the cylinder deactivation system GM put on their newer trucks, which makes the engine run on 6 or 4 cylinders to save fuel. The problem with that is, they tend to have lifter failures which if ignored for a short period of time result in catastrophic engine failure. By converting it back to the earlier non active fuel management/ displacement on demand the earlier LS v8’s and heavy duty V8’s use, the engine will outlast the chassis.
Rapom613@reddit
Lexus LX, it’s still built on the heavier duty Land Cruiser (not the new one we get in the states) with the V8 that is known around the world as one of the most reliable vehicle produced. Doesn’t have to be new, a 100k mile one still has LOADS of life left in it