This is possibly the craziest McLaren collection to go up for sale
Posted by TestingThrowaway100@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 125 comments
Some details:
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All models (including the F1) are the final chassis number to be sold
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Most have a custom color called "Mansour Orange" which was exclusively used for his cars and no other customers could spec this color. Some even have custom "Mansour" badges.
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With the exception of the F1 and Senna GTR, all have delivery miles and were largely un-used.
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Model Ranges include: F1, P1, Senna, Senna GTR, Senna LM, Elva, Speedtail, Sabre, 765LT Spider, 765LT, 720s LM, 675LT, 67TLT Spider, 650s GT3, 650s CAN AM, 650s, 620R, 600LT, and 600LT Spider.
This collection encompasses most of McLaren's lineup in the modern era with the exception of the MP4-12C and Artura (collector passed shortly after this was announced).
Thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8LgqgwNZ4Q
Agloe_Dreams@reddit
That F1 alone is probably 50% of the value of the collection. I’m saying minimum $50 million for the F1.
Past-Mousse-4519@reddit
Normal F1 is the least valuable of the bunch, any other variant is commanding pretty huge premium because they much rarer.
IC3Ky@reddit
Road cars typically sell for more than GTRs, with a few exceptions, despite being the most 'common' variant
Peloton25@reddit
You wouldn’t believe the prices that some GTRs have traded for recently. The story you tell used to be the case, but has definitely flipped.
IC3Ky@reddit
Good to see you here mate! Do you think prices have increased on them since several have been converted to 'road' specification? I suppose short of an LM coming to market, a road-converted GTR would be the next best thing in some ways..
Peloton25@reddit
Road conversions make them more useful, certainly. It’s always a number of factors that drive price increases - in the case of F1 GTRs here’s a few:
some of the people who remember their glory days can now afford to purchase one and live that dream they had in their youth.
there are more ways to use one now - from owner’s tours to concours events to historic racing events. Owning one is a ticket to anything you want to do and with more exposure the cars also become more desirable to others.
perhaps the biggest factor of all is that we’ve seen a consolidation of multiple examples into single collections. There is now one collector who has acquired four F1 GTRs and three others who each own a pair. McLaren still have two they’ve effectively never sold and BMW own three in their Motorsport heritage collections. That accounts for more than half, and with only 28 in total, supply is very limited.
woodsides@reddit
What are most recent GTR transaction prices that you are aware of?
Peloton25@reddit
A range in the very high teens to low-mid 20’s for most road cars. Standard bodied GTRs have reached the high 20’s to low 30’s. Currently two longtail GTRs are in the market publicly, both available at $22M, but those are sometimes trickier to find buyers for.
woodsides@reddit
Why are longtails cheaper than standard GTRs despite being rarer?
Does being road legal have an impact on GTR values? If so, how much?
Peloton25@reddit
Longtail valuations have always trailed other versions of the F1 and they seem to take longer to sell. That trend has changed a bit, but their rarity does not overcome a lack of desirability. Usability for them is more compromised - the sequential gearbox can be particularly finicky. While they saw some race wins and even a class win at Le Mans in 1997, they are viewed as less successful than the earlier versions. The one example that might make a large difference if it came to market would be the Gulf GTR that took that class win at Le Mans, but it remains in McLaren’s own collection since the 1997 season ended.
Road conversion of any GTR improves its use case potential and therefore certainly adds value, but there are too many other factors in play to offer a specific figure for how much it increases. The converted cars are also capable of being switched back - and process that takes just a couple of days if pure track use was the intent. Road conversion has normally coincided with the removal of the steel roll cage - not sure how complex adding that back might be if the track use required it.
woodsides@reddit
Really appreciate it! You're a walking, talking encyclopedia of all things F1!
In your opinion, what would be the current market values of XP3, XP4 and LM cars?
I know that XP3 sold for 25M in 2017 so maybe 35-40M+ now?
Do you think Mouse motors and the Swiss collection will ever sell their LM and GT respectively or are they forever cars in the collections? What do you think their values would be?
Peloton25@reddit
XP4 was said to be valued at $24M in a 3 car deal in 2018. Just factoring for inflation that should put its valuation at $31M today. XP3 is probably still worth more, and XP5 being the most significant and recognizable of all the F1 prototypes with the top speed record should command more.
As for GT valuations - despite being the rarest variant a lot of people see them as the ugly duckling. I don’t buy into the idea some people hold of them being worth significantly more than a standard road car. During 2014/2015 MSO tried to sell the Japanese example for a very ambitious figure and there were no takers.
The Swiss collection has sold a couple of F1s - perhaps adding others in their places. Not sure what they would replace the GT with but I certainly subscribe to the ‘never say never’ theory, so who knows if/when it gets sold in the future.
I’ve heard the owner of the MM collection would sell his F1 LM last of all the cars he owns which suggests that it’s very unlikely to come to market. As for values of the LM - I wouldn’t suggest a single figure applies to all 6. LM2 is the only one of the 5 in private hands with pristine history and the idea of it being worth $40M or more seems viable, the others less than that.
woodsides@reddit
Why are longtails cheaper that shorttails despite being rarer?
Does being road legal have an impact on GTR values?
ColdContributor2791@reddit
Would you say that F. Perrodo has the best F1 collection atm (excluding Brunei)? Or the Swiss collection with the GT...
Peloton25@reddit
The Swiss collector has the best set I would say - he’s only missing an F1 LM.
Francois has amassed a very fine set too, but I’d take the Mouse Motors collection’s 4 examples - a road car, an F1 LM, a short tail GTR, and a longtail GTR over his cars. More variety and GTR 12R wears my favorite race livery.
ColdContributor2791@reddit
Fairs, but to drive his GTRs at La Sarthe amongst other GT1 class cars, that makes him the best owner 🙃
Also is Mouse Motors like Carage of Switzerland (i.e personal collection+dealership)?
Peloton25@reddit
Yes - can’t fault how he uses and shares them at all. I just wouldn’t want to own 4 GTRs from 1995 and don’t prefer the road car with HDK, especially as his currently lacks the front wheel arch extensions.
Not familiar with Carage, but sounds similar. Mouse Motors is the public identify of a personal collection and their collection manager occupies his time buying and selling significant collectible automobiles. They also own the McLaren Chicago dealership.
ColdContributor2791@reddit
Yep, Mouse Motors has had some incredible historic race cars afaik. BTW isn't the American Orange HDK also painted in Yquem? Or is it a different shade?
Also can you tell if Flemke's F1 (was it 040, cannot recall) sold for a record considering it had some unique details?
Peloton25@reddit
Chassis 073 is painted “Kandy Orange” but does look similar to the Yquem-painted 075. We also have a non-HDK F1 in the USA painted in a similar shade. It’s chassis 038 and according to a previous owner who had it repainted in 2001, the color of that one is called “Orange Candy”. Each color is said to be unique, and I’ve been fortunate to see all three cars in person, but never two at the same time. I can confidently state you would need to park them side-by-side to really tell the difference.
One of Flemke’s F1 was 040 - certainly the one you are thinking of - and it definitely did not set any record when sold. It was on the market for more than 6 months, offered by 3 separate agents during that time period and its valuation and overall desirability will have been held back by the significant mileage, multiple resprays, and accident history. The high mirrors are also said to be a challenge to use when parking according to those who have driven several examples of the car, so perhaps not the greatest selling point even though they are fairly unique.
ColdContributor2791@reddit
Thanks mate, your info about these cars is as always amazing 👌🏼 But I must ask, as these cars have exploded in values, have you found digging out facts and numbers harder than before, because the owners have become more secretive about their now investment grade cars
Peloton25@reddit
Thankfully there aren’t too many mysteries left and usually it doesn’t take too long to figure out where one has been shifted to.
The things that are difficult to uncover but might be useful to know are the selling prices of the many private transactions that occur and current road car mileage figures. With UK registered cars you can look up their MOT history to get their mileage (if they’ve had a current one) but otherwise it’s hard to keep track of that data.
ColdContributor2791@reddit
Yup, plus Asian owners are generally even more secretive with under the table transactions🤷...
If you had to bet, which would be of higher selling price, Mansour's car or 062 in Monterrey...
Peloton25@reddit
It’s not even close really - the current asking price on Mansour’s car is over 40% higher than what 062 will potentially bring. I don’t think 075 will deliver that premium, but it will be much higher than most other examples based on its position in the build sequence and its unique provenance.
It’s like when 044 was sold at auction by Bonhams in 2017 for $15.62M and in the same hear Gordon Murray’s XP3 had changed hands privately for $25M. The Bonhams sale was touted as a record at the time (as are most of the public auction results for F1s) but really it wasn’t even close.
ColdContributor2791@reddit
Then that begs the question, why are F1s auctioned publicly anyways? If the owner can get a higher price via private sale?
Also, 25M in 2017(!!) is absolutely insane. Did it have something unique or just the Murray ownership tag brought the price it did
Peloton25@reddit
You’ll note very few have been. People just don’t realize how often F1s are changing hands privately since auctions are typically the only ones that get much press.
Perhaps some owners get convinced their car is special enough to break the trend of auction disappointments. In 20+ years of tracking F1 sales, only two times have they sold for more at auction than they were expected to, and the last one of those was way back in 2010.
The most recent publicly auctioned F1 was chassis 029, sold by Gooding in 2021 - with the premium it delivered $20.456M and was announced as a record price (of course) but according to the broker who had helped the consignor purchase it 8 years prior, good money was left on the table there.
Since then the only F1s we’ve seen auctioned have gone through Sotheby’s Sealed platform and I’m led to believe they have had more successful results this way. Enough so that they have their next opportunity with 062. We won’t really know what happens, but it’s a great example and I doubt it will have trouble finding a new home.
As for XP3 it is the oldest surviving F1 prototype which makes it very significant. Part of Gordon’s employment contract guaranteed him a car once production was finished and XP3 had been refurbished to his specification in 1998 and kept by him for almost two decades. As standard road cars go, it doesn’t get much better than that really.
woodsides@reddit
Off topic but, what are the latest transaction prices that you are aware of for F1 road cars and GTRs?
ColdContributor2791@reddit
Ah, then the price starts to make sense...
Regarding Sotheby's Sealed, I have heard that the bidding process is bizarre as in the bidder doesn't know what others are bidding and just is told that he has been outbid by another party?
Peloton25@reddit
Yes - you won’t see the other bids or know how many people are bidding. You only know your latest bid’s position within the top 5 bids, or if your bid was not in the top 5. Like every digital auction platform, they inform the high bidder when they have been outbid giving them an opportunity to bid again. Also when bidding clock runs out, if there are still competing bids coming in then the time is extended by 2:00 when a top 3 bid is entered. This ensures an even playing field and should maximize the result for the seller. Unlike a traditional auction there’s no buyer’s premium imposed, so the amount of your bid is the amount you will pay in total.
ColdContributor2791@reddit
Absolutely wild process 😂 but I suppose it's the best of both worlds where you get the eyeballs on the sale but still keep it rather private with only 3 parties knowing the final outcome...
What is the deal with 'El Chapo' F1 (as Ed Bolian calls it) I think you've posted somewhere that you don't believe such a car exists but I'd say it would be pretty hard to get him to chase a ghost for so long considering him and John Temerian have bought and sold cars that weren't seen for years or decades...
And lastly, will Lanzante/MSO upgrade my theoretical F1 to LM spec (i.e engine power and body kit)? Or it will remain a feature of few cars only?
Peloton25@reddit
I have never suggested that F1 039 doesn’t exist - quite the contrary. What I have tried to make clear since that video series began is that the F1 never belonged to El Chapo. Referring to it as such does a complete disservice to the historical record and is simply unnecessary clickbait. I remain very disappointed that a large platform like VW has been used to spread misinformation on a topic I care very much about.
Lanzante seems to have no boundaries for what is possible, so I won’t count them out if your pockets were deep enough. Evidence shows that so far, the cars which have received the optional High Downforce Kit have only been modified by McLaren Customer Care, or what we now know as MSO and the last one to be modded was done in 2007. (I’m not counting F1 069 which had the kit reinstalled more recently after a long period without it).
There are also only two road cars that received the higher output V12 because that’s how many spare engines in that configuration McLaren had to offer. The fact that none have seen an engine upgrade since 018 & 073 in 2001 leaves me pretty confident in saying we won’t see any others. Frankly the F1 has never needed more power and I think present values also have reduced the likelihood of owners getting too creative - at least with cars that are still in their original configuration/spec which accounts for a majority of them. We are more likely to see a return to originality for examples that have been previously altered through MSO Heritage’s F1 certification program.
ColdContributor2791@reddit
It is interesting that F1s are being kept/returned to their original conditions considering how the rest of the hypercar industry has gravitated towards more and more bespoke projects (even MSO with recent Mclarens have done incredible work for Speedtails)
Yep, Ed has rather milked his F1 hunt and I can see how it must be annoying to see from your perspective 😅 but at the same time I'm truly interested in the fate of that car. At current valuation I would have thought whoever owns it would've sent it to MSO like the Brunei cars (discreetly ofcourse). What do you think is going on with it
Peloton25@reddit
From what I’ve been told, 039 is still just sitting not far from its last known whereabouts and that’s not a place you want to go poking around or asking too many questions. A lot of F1s (unfortunately) have sat for long periods of time with far less attention - except maybe the Brunei collection. Anyway, the idea that F1 039 could be acquired for some bargain discount price - the premise for the hunt - has been a laughable proposition to begin with.
I’m far more curious about the fate of an F1 road car that attended the 2012 F1 Tour in Italy with its US owner, was apparently sold shortly thereafter, and has not been seen or heard from since. It’s chassis 024 - a Silver F1 with a Red GT-spec interior, so it should be hard to miss if it has not been changed. There are a few theories on its present location which I won’t repeat without some confirmation, but zero evidence has surfaced on it in over a dozen years. 👻
ColdContributor2791@reddit
039 seems to be one of only few cars nowadays that has a bigger obstacle than money in getting possession of it 😂 As for 024, I have no clue but I'd say if any update surfaces you'd be one of the first to know it 😉
Will you attend Quail this year? Because some heavy machinery is about to pass through ( Ralph Lauren F50, F40 LM, 250 Cali, F1 etc etc)
Peloton25@reddit
Yes - I’ll be in Monterey all week. Looking forward to the excitement and hopefully a surprise or two.
Past-Mousse-4519@reddit
Conversion helps, but pretty much all of F1 is show pieces these days and as a show piece race car look infinitely cooler plus have more interesting history than being own by a bunch of millionaires/billionaires.
Past-Mousse-4519@reddit
Maybe, but I am pretty sure recent GTRs sale on average higher.
IC3Ky@reddit
I think with GTRs, the racing prominence is a big factor in it's value, eg. The '95 Le Mans winner vs a car without such titles. Whereas the road cars are probably more closely priced, again with a couple of exceptions.
I'd still bet on the LM being the most valuable if they came to market.
rush0024@reddit
It's also the only one ever made in that color.
My guess is, someone who buys this collection is buying it for the F1. They will start selling off the other cars.
86Austin@reddit
thats always a cool thing to say but its "corvette territory" - cool to hear, but almost never has any significant impact on the price or desirability.
sioux612@reddit
For a single car its basically irrelevant and with some manufacturers I'd be more afraid of those cars than anything
But when its an entire collection of last cars, that is quite cool
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whiskyismymuse@reddit
the 5 Mclaren LM's and Gordon Murray's XP3 are worth more, the last normal Mclaren F1 isn't THAT special
KnownAd512@reddit
*6 LMs, all worth more.
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thisisjustascreename@reddit
Nice I've been waiting for a chance to buy a couple McLarens at a discount.
Dnlx5@reddit
Cars with no miles? What a fool
a_berdeen@reddit
Owner was too busy being literally the reason why McLaren exists at all I guess
sonrisa_medusa@reddit
I'm sorry. I just can't get excited about a collection of undriven cars. Congrats on being a billionaire?
millicento@reddit
He's also essentially the founder of modern Mclaren so it's like complaining that the Agnelli or Montezemolo collection of Ferraris aren't being driven.
Tuxedo_Muffin@reddit
Thought's? Why would you own so many fantastic cars and not drive them? Didn't even get the benefit of selling the collection off.
millicento@reddit
Considering who's collection this is, it's like blaming Gianni Agnelli for not driving his Ferraris.
caterham09@reddit
The majority of rich car collectors don't drive their cool cars.
cerberaspeedtwelve@reddit
Related story: This guy was so security conscious that he ended up building a wall around his F1 and making it not possible to drive it or even move it. It seems like a sad end to what is generally considered to be the greatest car of the 20th century.
A part of me wonders how he does things like routine maintenance and servicing.
techieman33@reddit
That's part of the problem, these collectors don't do any maintenance on the cars. They just sit untouched for 5, 10, 20 years and at most get detailed once or twice a year. It basically insures that they will always be show pieces because so many things will have deteriorated from sitting for so long. So even if someone wanted to try and get it driving again odds are that parts would no longer be available or be so cost prohibitive that no one could financially justify restoring them to a safe driving condition.
Crafty-Ad-9048@reddit
This guy had to at least do maintenance. With the connects he had with McLaren they’d probably do it for free
Tuxedo_Muffin@reddit
He did have service done through McLaren. Which to me, makes it even more unbelievable not to just drive them. What's there to lose? One-of-one cars being highly cared for... what's realistically to lose?
Crafty-Ad-9048@reddit
Just depends on where you like. I live in the city and DD a manual sports car that’s no where near as unrealistic as these cars so I can see if you’re old and don’t wanna deal with the harshness but still at night I’d take one for a drive minimum once a week
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
McLaren will rebuild the car. They will actually manufacture parts for it. They already have a fuel tank conversion to replace the bag with an actual tank that doesn't need to be serviced every 10 years.
WigginIII@reddit
Yup. These people know they are simply creating museum pieces. I mean, it’s good that some will be preserved, but it sucks when that happens to so many of them.
masterventris@reddit
This is one of the best things about Jay Leno's collection. He employs a team to maintain them all, to the point where any vehicle will start on the key. He even demonstrates this when people visit, they can pick any vehicle and he will start it up for them.
orestes19@reddit
Completely untrue here, this is from the auction’s page (https://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/the-mansour-ojjeh-collection/)
maintained under direct instruction by McLaren themselves —a service no other collector has ever received
vagabond139@reddit
A Mclaren F1 will always be worth restoring though. They even get rebuilt after crazy crashes. All they need is the VIN and even then I've heard tales of the manufacturers of other similar crazy expensive possibly bending the rules on that. You would basically have to literally bomb it for it not to be rebuildable.
techieman33@reddit
There are obvious exceptions, but there are lots of $500k no mileage collector cars that would require that much again to get into a reliable running condition. All for a car that will still only be worth $500k. It’s not a smart investment when you could just buy a driver for less than you paid for the one that’s been sitting its entire existence.
Tuxedo_Muffin@reddit
Yeah, but why? Such a waste.
Open a museum or something at least.
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
From what I’ve seen with the owners of these vehicles, there’s rarely a middle ground. Most of them will only move it around their garage once a month to get the fluids moving but never actually take it outside. Others take it to the track and absolutely beat them down.
The former buys these cars as investments, which I think is a bit silly unless you’re talking vehicles like an F1. The latter are your more enthusiast types who happened to come into some money. I’d much rather be the latter.
woodsides@reddit
The type I've seen are the ones who have 30-50+ cars and also drive a lot but the mileage of the cars remain low since the driving is spread out over all the cars. When you have those many cars, you're probably doing something that takes up a lot of your time which leaves little time for enjoying the cars. For those who are "retired", you probably have a lot more stuff to do than just driving cars. You just don't get a lot of time with the cars unless you specifically plan for it.
I think the "rich people buying cars as investments" statement is overblown tbh. Sure, some cars turned out to be fantastic investments because they were locked up in a garage all their life (F1). But the reason that they were locked up is not because the owners thought that they'll be immensely valuable in the future, but because they couldn't really drive it too much in the first place due to the reasons mentioned above which coincedentally also raised the value of the cars. You have to remember that the explosive growth in value of these cars is a relatively new phenomenon that started out sometime last decade. The garage queening of newer special cars has gone up in the recent years hoping for similar returns but that'll only be possible for some specific cars.
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
There are also significantly more $1M+ offerings now and folks with the cash to buy them. The sheer number of million-dollar vehicles is also why I don't believe we will see appreciation like that of the F1 anytime soon, if ever. The F80, W1s, SP3s, etc. will likely go up or at least hold their value but runaway appreciation is likely a thing of the past. Extreme high-performance, high-value vehicles just aren't as special as they once were and high performance has also largely been democratized with cars like the new Vette.
Seeing a hypercar was an event; now, I can name 3 restaurants in my city where I'd bet my bottom dollar there will be at least one parked out front.
woodsides@reddit
Out of those cars that you mentioned, only the SP3 has had some form of appreciation. The premiums that the F80 and W1 allocations are selling for have been very low compared to previous years and generations which indicates that the buyer demand/interest is lower. This can be attributed to both the higher cost of the cars as well as the different directions hypercars have gone in general. The SP3 is probably one of the last cars we'll see that has had immense appreciation where they're trading for 2.5-3x MSRP.
I think cars that are more analogue, more raw and more engaging will do immensely well in this era of downsized and Hybridised powertrains, especially when a 100k Tesla plaid will beat your ass almost anywhere on the road. NA engines, intake noises, manual, RWD, exhausts that sound good (not necessarily loud), etc. We already see that with Porsche 911 STs selling for 2-3x MSRP already. I think cars like the GMA T50, T33, Jesko, Utopia (manual), CC850, the rumoured F40 inspired SP4 manual, maybe the Tourbillon, etc will do very well.
Pricing of the cars is another part of it. Manufacturers have clocked in about the premiums their cars are trading for and want a bigger piece of that pie. This leads to much larger price increases from gen to gen compared historically. We're already seeing many recent Hypercars selling for below MSRP as well. Base Chirons are going for 10-15% under, Special edition Chirons are barely selling for MSRP, Valkyries and AMG Ones selling for at or under list for new examples, etc. Electric hypercars are a whole another dumpster fire which can be best explained by the fact that Rimac still hasn't sold out the 150 unit planned production run of the Nevera despite now being associated with one of the most prestigious Hypercar brands.
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
I have no idea about F80 allocations, that is a club I am not a part of. What were P1 owners being offered? I received two offers last year from private brokers to the tune of $450K for my W1 alloc. There's a guy on YouTube who was quoted GBP700K.
Not so sure about this. Base Chirons aren't particularly desirable anymore but special editions (SS, PS) are still selling for well over MSRP, at least where I am. A 1 of 3 PS with delivery miles just traded hands for around 7 recently.
While most owners will probably get nowhere near the mileage requirement, the engine and trans rebuild for the AMG One and Valkyrie resp. will put a dampener on the price. Agreed about the EVs, the market seems to be firmly rejecting them.
ITookYourGP@reddit
They buy them as an investment. Driving them depreciates their value
Tuxedo_Muffin@reddit
Boy, I would hate to lose $250k of investment on my Ferrari F40 that I've owned for 35 years because I (gasp) drove it. I'd have to settle for $1.5M and what would Paul and Jerry at the country club think? I'd be a laughing stock!
Obviously I just, but cars are meant to be driven. Otherwise a sculpture would serve the same purpose. Might be even more rare.
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
It’s not just mileage that makes them antsy. I have nothing remotely close in value to an F1 but even with my cars, I’m more worried about how other people act around me than the depreciation from mileage.
It’s standard practice at this point to have a car driving next to me filming me on their phone. Sometimes they end up driving erratically because they’re more focussed on filming my car than driving their own. I’ve had people actually try and locate the door handles when I was parked.
ITookYourGP@reddit
I absolutely agree. However I'm not one of those ultra rich guys that invests in cars. Even at those ridiculous prices, those cars are still pocket change to them. And they probably simply don't have the time to be bothered driving them with all of their other activities their lives are filled with. Those that are genuinely into cars will actually drive them like Jay Leno.
txmail@reddit
I think cars like the F1 or 250 GTO are no longer considered pocket change.
The F1 to me is the craziest. At one point it seemed obtainable if I got relatively wealthy -- and now, your looking $30M - $60M. The 250 GTO is also one that seemed like a possibility if I got somewhat wealthy, and now... $50M - $100M. It billionaires only, and probably only multiple billions to own those cars. Hell a 300SLR Coupe sold for $143M.... not pocket change unless your multiple billions rich.
gumol@reddit
are there statistics available?
Efficient_Fact3776@reddit
they drive them (when not in mechanik shop)
mrb4@reddit
This was Mansour Ojjeh’s collection who was the majority stakeholder in McLaren F1 in the 80s and was probably the most important figure involved in the launch McLaren automotive. Basically none of these cars would exist without his involvement which is why he had all of them
orestes19@reddit
It’s funny how few people even bothered to watch the video, they’re just hating on this “collector”.
LetosUselessFlippers@reddit
Why keep money in the bank when you could walk through your garage and physically see it?
uglybushes@reddit
He owned the company. I’m sure he had access to others
72corvids@reddit
I'd like to offer the Tom Hartley Jr. page with the photos. Personally, I'll take the P1, and the F1.
wangchunge@reddit
Thanks...little bmw in the corner🤭
RangeRoverHSE@reddit
Bizarre that it claims each car was the last so that way they got all of the little updates and tweaks made during the car’s lifecycle, but then each car was never driven so what does it matter if it has the updates or not? Seems like a waste to me, why not just have them make static models if they’re not gonna actually be cars.
txmail@reddit
Some people put art on their walls. Some people park art in their garages. I think when your at a point in life where nothing is out of reach, why would you dirty up the artwork?
RangeRoverHSE@reddit
But if you're parking it in the garage as an art piece, does it make a difference whether it has the slightly updated traction control from 2 model years later? Or the updated head unit with carplay? If it's just being parked as an art piece, does it even need an engine, transmission, and chassis number? Why not just have a custom-built shell without the mechanical bits that are surplus to requirements?
Glaesilegur@reddit
Maybe because there's value in the art being the best it could ever be.
RangeRoverHSE@reddit
I suppose that's fair enough
woodsides@reddit
It's nice to know that this is the best version of the car. Maybe that provides satisfaction to the owners. Who cares? If that's what gives the owner joy, what's wrong with it. Their money, their car, their choice.
HispaniaRacingTeam@reddit
Booo, drive your cars
JonFrost@reddit
political and class warfare noises
Crafty-Ad-9048@reddit
His F1 is the colour of the F1 in the old forza Motorsport 4 I think. Childhood legend right there
an_actual_lawyer@reddit
I didn't realize that only 75 F1 road cars were built. I knew they didn't sell well, but that is nuts.
More info available here:
https://www.reuters.com/sports/formula1/car-collection-late-mclaren-co-owner-ojjeh-up-sale-2025-06-29/
https://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/the-mansour-ojjeh-collection/
IC3Ky@reddit
64 road cars, plus 5 prototypes.
PancakeMSTR@reddit
The king of garage queens.
Efficient_Fact3776@reddit
king of trip to mechanics
OldSchoolSpyMain@reddit
He's the Ice King collecting princesses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk4B7Gf1ss0
goaelephant@reddit
So, The King Of Queens?
strongmanass@reddit
Imagine a UPS driver with that collection.
Accomplished-Exit136@reddit
Doug was a porch pirate i knewwwww it!
khanak@reddit
Mansour Ojjeh is an absolute legend! The story of how he founded TAG is amazing. What a life.
mishap1@reddit
Pops founded it and handed it to him. Not discounting his impact but he didn't exactly start from scratch.
BudgetHelper@reddit
It was founded by his father.
chucky_freeze@reddit
How much will it sell for?
WES_WAS_ROBBED@reddit
Low nine figures
txmail@reddit
More than you can afford pal, Mansour.
BakedSteak@reddit
Let’s say it was $50 Million. All of us in r/cars would simply have to contribute $7. Not a bad deal!
Bystronicman08@reddit
The F1 alone might be a little more than half that number. I'd say far far more for the entire collection.
Eggith@reddit
Do you think they'll let me buy it with a payment plan?
Garrosh@reddit
Yes, of course. The payment plan being you pay half now and the other half also right now.
g-4-ces@reddit
This person tried to save Mclaren from financial difficulty all by themself.
orestes19@reddit
Watch the video?
hi_im_bored13@reddit
He was partly responsible for mclaren altogether, as a majority stakeholder in the mclaren group, convinced by ron dennis, they brought out lauda from retirement and the rest is history. Also was the CEO of TAG (his father founded it), which still owns a sizable share in the McLaren group.
That all fell apart as team performance deteriorated in the late 2000s and early 2010s, daimler bought (and later sold before they brought brawn) a significant portion of the tag-mclaren group, whitmarsh was a friend of Ojjeh who was removed while Ojjeh was hospitalized, Dennis sued and failed somewhere later
He passed away a few years back but it is a big part of why this is the collection to have
R2NC@reddit
Tried? Was able to keep the company running till the handover.
sbar196@reddit
Was visiting a client today who was showing me his McLaren M8 CanAm. Old fella still races it.
c74@reddit
not sure what the f1 could go for. lots of arguments to be made it should be top dog f1 ever... and i dont think anyone bidding on it thinks it'll be a value buy. there is gonna be the real big dogs bidding on these cars for fortunes we cant really understand what the money means. 50mil for a wedding? how about another 50 mil for a car to drive on your honeymoon? i would laugh my ass off it if mrs bezos bought it for him. completely plausible.
avboden@reddit
I'm curious if the collection will be kept together or individual cars sold. I could see some rich buyer just wanted the F1 but taking the whole lot just to get it, then selling the others. Unless they put some sort of contract in the sale that the collection has to stay together for X amount of time or something.
Either way it'll end up in the middle-east somewhere never to be heard of again.
woodsides@reddit
Tom Hartley usually prefers to deal with a single client instead of 20 separate ones for these special collection sales. He did the same with the former F1 owner's Formula 1 car collection which he sold for $650M. This collection will be scooped up very quick by someone for $60-75M.
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Real_Establishment56@reddit
F1 is cool, everything that came after that is a big meh for me. Can’t see which model is which, have no idea how their lineup works and although they have amazing tech, they’re just too sterile for me. But the F1 is the King!
abattlescar@reddit
What a stupid collection, honestly. McLaren is genuinely my favorite Supercar manufacturer, and earnestly my dream car, but 80% of those are the same damn car.
SpaceBoJangles@reddit
Thoughts?
I think this is a perfect encapsulation of the rich and especially the rich people of his generation. The man bought some of the most special vehicles ever made, never drove or shared them because he saw them purely as vehicles for cashflow, and died before ever doing anything with them of actual merit.
It is a sad, almost pathetic waste of resources that I hope the new owners do not repeat. This shouldn’t be glorified.
limpnoads@reddit
Damn....1,800 km F1 😵 Honestly I think it's more impressive when they're not driven. No way if I have that money and car, I'm not fucking taking that thing to Montana and just going flat out.🤣😬
ninjaisalreadyplural@reddit
Someone is cashing in on height of McLaren F1 success. I’ll take this as the bellwether indicator that next year’s car sucks.