Anon is satanist
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Rex__Lapis@reddit
Not religious but i did read the bible and a lot on here is just bs lmao
xx_mashugana_xx@reddit
I know, right? Cannibalism is literally condemned in the third book. Several other of these practices are condemned and people are severely punished for them.
Also, we're pretty sure there have been things added to and taken away from modern Bibles because different transcripts include different things.
In short, anon is just an edgy atheist.
slugersoda@reddit
Why is it you call wine and communion wafers the "blood and body of christ." It's symbolic cannibalism.
xx_mashugana_xx@reddit
Yes, it's symbolic.
...
What's the question?
slugersoda@reddit
Why are you doing it, even symbolically, if its condemned?
xx_mashugana_xx@reddit
Because it's symbolic of burnt offerings.
Despite popular belief, a burnt offering to God is not fully burned. A portion is given to God, and the remainder is eaten by the community.
The reason Christians don't do burnt offerings is because Christ was the ultimate offering. You symbolically partake of his body to remind you that human life was taken because of the evils you have committed.
PartyClock@reddit
You can tell when an xtian has their feelings hurt when they bust out the "edgy atheist" line
xx_mashugana_xx@reddit
My feelings aren't hurt, dude.
Saying "Satan good actually," is just another way of saying, "Oh, wow. I am so controversial. Watch me dismantle world religions." There is, in fact, such thing as just being an edgy atheist.
Most atheists aren't "edgy." They just don't believe in a god. Wandering around being inflammatory online without provocation? You're either attempting to grift for engagement or 14 and think what you're saying is something new.
MrZokeyr@reddit
When practicing christians receive the Eucharist, isn't the idea that the bread and wine are literally the body and blood of Christ? Like physically transforming when consumed? I feel like, at least on a technicality, that counts as ritualistic cannibalism.
"It's okay, it's not regular human flesh, it's our god." And like, sure, godly magic and all that. My boy Oily Josh is like the Michael Jordan of growing new flesh. But it still feels weird to say "cannibalism is bad, unless it's your lord and savior. In which case, dig in!"
I don't mean this as a "gotcha" btw, Anon probably has a decent fedora collection. But as someone who loves Jesus's teachings, I still find some of the practices a little silly (although pretty much every religion out there has something strange about it, kinda comes with the territory, I guess lol).
CameronArtorias@reddit
Only Catholics believe that. Catholics also believe in many other things that aren't Biblical, such as purgatory and the seven sacraments and having to actively work for your salvation.
ZenPyx@reddit
Cannibalism is used as a punishment by God - so he doesn't like it, but he does, in some sense, encourage it by forcing people to do it:
The chapter lists four forms of punishment for disobedience, and that if the Israelites continue to disobey, the final punishment will be God giving full vent to his hostility, and “then you will eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters” (Leviticus 26:29).
In Jeremiah 19:9, the prophet describes how God will punish the Israelites for their sin, with invaders coming and laying siege to Jerusalem. The siege which will continue until “all the food is gone. Then those trapped inside will eat their own sons and daughters and friends.”
Forcing virgins to marry rapists:
If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes (תָּפַשׂ tāphaś) her and lies (שָׁכַב šākhab) with her and they are discovered, then the man who lay (שָׁכַב šākhab) with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated (עָנָה anah/inah) her; he cannot divorce her all his days." (Deuteronomy 22:28–29)
Born disabled and not allowed to go near a priest (which, I understand how someone could interpret as not being able to go to heaven, given that going to priest-led worship is a requirement of going to heaven):
"18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed;
19 no man with a crippled foot or hand,
20 or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles." (Leviticus 21)
Blessed for killing infants (of your enemy):
"Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!" (Psalm 137:9)
Forcibly turning someone's wife into a prostitute:
Now, therefore, hear the word of the LORD. You say: ‘Do not prophesy against Israel; do not preach against the house of Isaac.’ Therefore this is what the LORD says: ‘Your wife will become a prostitute in the city, and your sons and daughters will fall by the sword. Your land will be divided by a measuring line, and you yourself will die on pagan soil. And Israel will surely go into exile, away from their homeland.’” (Amos 7:16-17)
Sure, you can argue that these are old testament, or mistranslated, or blah blah blah, but it's extremely easy to get the ideas OP has when the bible quite literally talks about this
SloppyJoeGilly2@reddit
When you read like a 1/10 of the Bible and stop when your bias is confirmed.
slugersoda@reddit
and yet you cant point out a single flaw in what he said.
NorthDakota@reddit
The problem is that we're supposed to believe that this book was divinely inspired by the all powerful all loving all knowing creator of the universe. Kinda seems like if it really was inspired by god that those things wouldn't be in there.
ZenPyx@reddit
Ah yeah my only issue is just not reading it enough! Of course
Have you ever read the thing at all?
InfusionOfYellow@reddit
I will say, the Psalms one isn't in there as a message from God, it's a song of lamentation during the Babylonian captivity. So, contextually, it's 'the people, saying that, rather than God, for what it's worth.
mr_desk@reddit
So true, bro doesn’t understand that everything that makes god look bad in the Bible is a metaphor/mistranslation/Old Testament oopsie and everything that makes him look good is 100% true and real
Autumn_Fire@reddit
I love how he says that he divided the world into different languages but doesn't mention why. Like he was just feeling spiteful that day and decided "I'm going to scatter humanity into a bunch of languages, that'll really show them."
slugersoda@reddit
It was spite driven though. "How dare those humans try to reach the heavens" then boom languages. The god of the bible is a spiteful bitch.
Cheesytacos650@reddit
Tower of babel
slugersoda@reddit
Thsts only because you haven't read the whole thing
godzillahavinastroke@reddit
Not true, that is actually all in the Bible, mostly in the old testament
ejectionejaculation6@reddit
it was just a random snake (and god removed their legs because of that and that’s why snakes don’t have legs according to the bible)
PartyClock@reddit
God: And you snake shall be forced to crawl on your belly for the rest of your days
Snake: ... Oh no! I wish I could fly... like normal.
kurtcanine@reddit
Which ones? They all sound familiar to me.
FrozenAquarius@reddit
I know that the Satan giving humanity knowledge one isn't true. It's never implied that the serpent is Satan. Satan isn't even present or mentioned anywhere in the book of genesis or the old testament.
WillCode4Cats@reddit
My boy was out there working hard and you trying to undercut him.
Satan was the original IT person. Out there working hard, but gets none of the credit.
FrozenAquarius@reddit
I do think it's kinda fucked up, how he get's treated. If he was so bad as people make him out to be, then God could get rid of him, he's God. Satan's job is to tempt people, it gives value to faith in God. He's not some chaotic villain constantly thwarting God's plans. He's like a strict parent and God is the nice parent the kids like more.
WillCode4Cats@reddit
Depends on the religion. In Christianity, yes. Islam? I do not remember, but I know he is viewed differently. Judaism views Satan has God’s enforcer/prosecutor, and not any evil being.
Israelthepoet@reddit
Satan is mentioned in the Old Testament in the book of Job. You are correct that the serpent is not explicitly labeled as Satan tho.
FrozenAquarius@reddit
Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't satan in Job just the Hebrew word of adversary? The way him and God interact with eachother in Job would be pretty weird if he was actually the Lucifer Satan.
Israelthepoet@reddit
Satan does mean adversary and Job includes invaluable information about his role. Satan as we think of him comes from a variety of sources, and the way we think of him is as inspired by John Milton as it is any part of the Bible. But to say Satan doesn’t appear in the Old Testament is simply false. Satan’s appearance is important. The fact that there is a spirit called Satan in job is a vital clue as to Satan’s origins. Satan’s role as you say of “Lucifer Satan” actually makes perfect sense in the context of Job but if you want more poetry about Satan’s character you better read Milton.
FrozenAquarius@reddit
Thanks alot, this sounds quite interesting
kurtcanine@reddit
John the Revelator says the serpent, the devil and Satan are one and the same. Also Satan appears in Job in the Old Testament.
FrozenAquarius@reddit
are you talking about the part that says "The great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan"? I don't think calling him a serpent means he's *the* serpent of Genesis
kurtcanine@reddit
He for sure is. He’s wrong, but that’s what every Biblical scholar seems to think he means.
Antiswag_corporation@reddit
Anon lacks critical thinking
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
he's got more than you
Antiswag_corporation@reddit
Anon can’t differentiate old and New Testaments and neither can you apparently
MarioCraft_156@reddit
Commanding evil shit is good if you say "nah i was joking" 2000 years later apparently
Antiswag_corporation@reddit
Someone who has clearly never picked up the book suddenly understands it better than everyone that has dedicated their life to studying it
ZenPyx@reddit
Noooo listen guys my special book has a new version attached to the end (because we realised the old bit was fucking deluded), you have to read both bits now!!
Antiswag_corporation@reddit
The Reddit hivemind and its endless amalgamations mental retardation never cease to amaze
FloppyDysk@reddit
All supposedly divinely inspired, all bound together with the same book.
"Yeah the Bible is filled with horrendous hateful shit... but that's just the old stuff! We don't care about that stuff anymore... we just keep it bound together in our Holy Book which we revere as to be revealed by the Holy Spirit."
Warm-Accident7231@reddit
This kind of atheist still exists in 2025? Embarrassing.
6bluedit9@reddit
So we just making stuff up now, cool.
Grail_Knight22148@reddit
Not making stuff up, anon is just one of the millions of anti-religion folks who quotes hyper-specific sentences and small portions of the allegories presented in the book and then run with it as if it's meant to be taken literally. I'm not defending the entire religion but the lack of basic reading comprehension here is laughable
Real green text:
ZenPyx@reddit
Mate you can't claim the book contains the divine instructions of god if there are bits that are "hyper specific sentences" somehow designed to be ignored.
Most of these are quoted in larger passages, which go on to reaffirm stuff like, "Oh, you should kill unwed virgins" and "if you conquer a neighbouring village, you should make slaves out of them!"
Grail_Knight22148@reddit
They're not designed to be ignored they're designed to be interpreted as a part of the bigger picture presented by the bible as a whole. If you don't have the basic reading comprehension skills to take context and timeframe into account when reading a text that's over a century old, then idk what to tell you...
Do you believe the allegory of the cave is a true story that should be taken word for word? No. It's about how we as humans in general might have a limited worldview based on only our perceived reality, the lesson of the story isn't "cavemen are dumb idiots with no concept of life outside the cave, and that's all there is to it"
Literally, use your brain 🤣 this is why reading comprehension is taught in schools.
The Bible teaches major themes like caring for your fellow man, and not passing judgment on those without first looking at yourself. Do you honestly believe the point of the Bible was to give instructions that it's OK to sacrifice innocent lives simply because of a minor sin that can be repented for? Meanwhile, Jesus sacrificed himself and died on the cross so that all humans could be forgiven and tells everyone that any sin no matter how severe can be forgiven if the person truly wants to repent... Doesn't that seem like a bit of a contradiction to you?
slugersoda@reddit
The allegory of the cave is just that, an allegory. The bible claims to be 100% true and divinely inspired. Then when you point out a contradiction or something that does not make sense its always "just a metaphor" or "oh they didnt mean it THAT way."
ZenPyx@reddit
Do you believe the bible to contain the divine word of god? Yes or no?
If you do - there is no such thing as interpretation - the word of the bible literally describes the actions, beliefs, and occurrances of god.
Otherwise, why even consider it belief? You might as well just decide that none of the stories actually happened, and the whole thing is just meant to be interpreted as a story made up by some guys for whatever purpose.
"Reading comprehension" lmao
Grail_Knight22148@reddit
I chose to believe that the Bible was written by a bunch of guys who believed in what they were doing during a period in history where people genuinely believed in miracles and acts of God.
I do not think it contains the divine word of God and should be taken literally and that's not what Christians teach either (at least every catholic I know doesn't believe it is meant to be taken literally)
You're pigeonholing the Bible into a very specific viewpoint you want to prove to me. But I'm telling you that's literally not what Christians believe, I've been a part of the catholic church since birth and by now I've formed my own opinions about the faith and the church. But please tell me more about how a 4channer and redditor that know how to google "bad things in the bible" know more about the faith than the millions of Christians worldwide.
Yall are so brainwashed its crazy. Have you ever actually been in a church, let alone read a physical copy of the Bible you're claiming to be an expert on?
Contrafox97@reddit
The mental gymnastics is crazy you deserve a gold medal for all those hoops you’ve jumped thru
ZenPyx@reddit
You've been a part of the Catholic church?? So you must be aware of the writings of the Pope during Vatican 2? "consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more" - the Bible is literally the word of God according to the Catholic church.
I'm not brainwashed, nor an expert. I've just seen the statements made by the bible, seen their interpretation, and understand that they are pretty incompatible.
InfusionOfYellow@reddit
The contradiction seems fairly easily resolved by saying the old testament and the new do not really reflect a coherent whole, being of vastly different origins and characters.
amateurtoss@reddit
Yes, comparing a Holy Book that billions of people have quoted and followed unquestioningly is totally appropriate to compare to a Platonic dialogue which people engage with in an ultra-critical way and which wasn't even agreed with by Plato's own students.
Grail_Knight22148@reddit
I don't claim contains the divine instructions of god... I claim it was written by a bunch of guys centuries ago who probably really believed in what they were saying. The core of the message presented is inherently good though. Treat your fellow man as you want to be treated, nobody is 100% perfect but if you seek genuine forgiveness then we should try to understand and forgive, and the concept of a selfless sacrifice to save or help your fellow man even tho you don't know them personally. These are all objectively morally good lessons.
If someone takes one passage about getting stoned literally that's their interpretation, but it's not a widely accepted principle of Christianity. People fr act like most modern Christians are out there waiting to crucify anyone who doesn't agree with them but NOT doing that is one of the core messages of the bible... The Romans and courts didn't agree with Jesus' message that he was a savior and the whole point of the crucifixion story isn't that Romans were evil. It's that mobs tend to fear those with differing viewpoints, but if the message is pure and good, you'll be rewarded for sticking to your gut and standing up for what you know is right even when people tell you it's wrong.
Are you gonna tell me that standing up for what's right and forgiving people who don't understand out of hate or fear is a bad message?
ZenPyx@reddit
Sorry, so do you believe the Bible is the divine word of God, or not? Like, it's an extremely basic Christian belief that He shaped the writings of the texts using His influence. Have you heard about "inspired word"?
Because if you don't, I'm not really sure you can call yourself Christian... I'm sure whatever faith you believe in is all very lovely, but it's not Christianity.
slugersoda@reddit
Care to explain away this one? What deeper meaning saves the bible from telling to to stone rape victims? What context could this possibly be ok?
Deuteronomy 22:23-24 New International Version 23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
Xenophon_@reddit
Why are god's morals changing at all? If they at all resemble modern morals then he would be disgusted with his own actions in the bible
Napisdog@reddit
Nah mate thats covered in just Numbers 31:17-18 alone.
6bluedit9@reddit
Yeah, I knew that was the verse that it was referencing, but the slightest research shows that understanding to be inaccurate. It's a greentext tho, shouldn't be surprised
Napisdog@reddit
“17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”
It do be just a greentext but the only explanation I’ve heard for this one is that the Israelites were just keeping them as servants, which seems heavily unlikely considering what else they were doing in the bible and the fact they killed everyone else who could be servants as well. I’m just curious what explanation you have for this verse?
6bluedit9@reddit
Going from save them for yourselves to rape them is quite a stretch given how rape is approached in the rest of the Bible, but I guess critical thinking is not a given on the internet anymore.
Napisdog@reddit
So if thats the case why not spare the little boys? Or the other women? I just would like to hear what purpose you specifically think a tribal society would have for specifically sparing only virgin little girls to use as ‘servants’, and nobody else?
6bluedit9@reddit
The jab wasn't meant for you, it was at the greentext, sorry
Napisdog@reddit
I understand where you’re coming from with boys possibly growing into dangerous enemies to the israelites. However, my problem with that viewpoint is that many cultures have historically practiced slavery have not had any problem with taking slaves of all sexes and all virginity statuses. Romans, Greeks, Persians, Caliphates, ancient China, Africans, and Europeans all took slaves and captured servants wherever they could. Even in the bible the ancient Egyptians kept both men and women as slaves for their kingdom. I’m never condoning slavery, but people who just want to capture other people for the sole reason of being servants have never had a problem with keeping both men and women.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
this line of argumentation makes it seem like you're just as much of a dipshit as OT God lol
Wity_4d@reddit
It's just a godcel rapemaxxing
Fuhk_Yoo@reddit
"If you aren't a virgin, you gotta die." - God probably.
WillCode4Cats@reddit
Yeah, that is how religion works.
Groovy_Human_Bean@reddit
GAUL?!?!?!?!??!!!?
Historianof40k@reddit
me when i only read the old testament
MisterGoo@reddit
Wait till Anon discovers that God didn’t write the Bible…
IOVofCWA@reddit
Bro…didn’t they say Satan would trick us? Ultimate deception? Would that not include pretending that God in the Bible was the good guy so people follow that path? Maybe that’s the actual path to evil…my brain hurts.
ThatOneGuyIn1939@reddit
it's almost as if the bible was written 2000-2500 years ago by people who didn't know much about the world and whose moral standards were wack, and they couldn't possibly write a book that would account for 2 millennia of humanity's development
Marik-X-Bakura@reddit
Even back then, nice people knew that slavery and genocide were wrong
VonDukez@reddit
You would be surprised
Inversalis@reddit
We have evidence of anti-slavery advocates going back as far as Plato's time, they were just never enough of a majority to really end slavery until the time of Chrstianity (even then, that only applied to not enslaving other christians).
TheBlueEmerald1@reddit
Plato himself I believe wrote philosophy trying to justify slavery, which wouldn't be a thing he did if there weren't people against it.
XxTreeFiddyxX@reddit
Legal scholars argue for or against laws that they may not agree with. A good lawyer provides the best defense to a dishonorable criminal, because they believe in providing best defense. So Plato could have been trying to understand the reasons for doing something, from the perspectives of those who do it. The key to influencing change is to first understand the opposite view, and we often play 'devils advocate ' to do just that. So unless Plato magically appears and explains his personal feelings or what his goal of those conversations, the intent is speculation. I often found that people who were progressive to the standards of the time will be better humans compared to their peers, yet far more barbaric than our views today. Thats the benefit of hundreds of years of outcome and human development to get us here. We should recognize their humanity and effort to make things better without trying to compare them to our own standards. We are all capable of being shitty people, and we are flawed and will make mistakes. Never shit on someone trying to move the needle towards the positive side. Dont call them hypocritical, just recognize that its a good start and keep moving the needle until we all get there.
An_Draoidh_Uaine@reddit
I mean it fits, you couldn't possibly live a life of just philosophising if you had to work or constantly pay your underlings.
Inversalis@reddit
Yeah, though Plato's logic was that some people were inherently dumber and thus it was best for everyone if they were subjugated by smarter people. He had the same views about women.
(I think this might be Aristotle, could be misremembering)
Kulk_0@reddit
That's Aristotle you're thinking of
juasjuasie@reddit
It's a mess, Socrates debunked the notion by proving a slave illiterate kid could follow basic geometry. But Plato who often personified as Socrates in his books, would often rationalize the slavery system of Athens.
Aristotle I have no clue on his stance on slavery but I know he had very wack stances on women because he would often generalize away with observations on his wife.
Inversalis@reddit
I think if I remember correctly that Plato was pretty pro-women but pro-slavery aswell. Whilst Aristotle was anti-women but also less enthusiastic about slaves.
Orphano_the_Savior@reddit
They were heretics and heathens.
WillCode4Cats@reddit
I imagine those folks were enslaved or genocides too.
Known-Ad-1556@reddit
Who said nice people wrote the bible?
XxTreeFiddyxX@reddit
Its more than that. These barbaric standards set forth were less savagery than what was common. So these were the empathetic progressives of their day. History be wildin.
The saddest part of all this is that people won't be nice to eachother unless its a requirement to do so. When given free will they will be as shitty as legally permitted. Its disgusting and sad. I always try to treat people better than I would like to be treated, not because of moral authority but because its the right way to be.
Autumn_Fire@reddit
I still don't really know or understand why people think that a bunch of people who lived in some of the most violent, amoral societies in the western/eastern world were going to write something that passes the moral snuff test of the 2000s to present day. Why are people shocked that our morality was not the same 2000 years ago?
Xenophon_@reddit
Religious people in modern times say that god's morality is absolute - which is why this type of stuff is brought up all the time
Autumn_Fire@reddit
That's the people though, which is fair game. It's the weird criticism of the bible that for some reason seems to be surprised it wasn't written with 2000s morality and compassion. It's so baffling to me, of course it isn't. Why would it be?
Xenophon_@reddit
It's completely unsurprising from an atheist view. If it truly is the word and morality of god, though, then it shouldn't be subject to changing human morals. If slavery is bad under god, for example, he would have made sure the bible strictly denounces slavery, but it doesn't even manage to do that. It tell slaves to obey their masters
CheesyTortoise@reddit
My favorite book written by unwashed shepherds that didn't know where the sun went at night
MixaLv@reddit
It feels like the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Several writers working independently, each having different visions, so the product ends up being an incoherent mess without a clear direction.
Yes, I did just compare the Bible to fucking Star Wars.
Lixuni98@reddit
Meh, In many ways I can see Bible stories holding as much weight in the public Imaginary at the later Roman civilization as Star Wars has over ours, the framing is obviously different.
pablopiss@reddit
I can visualize the smug look you’re giving after the last sentence
leastemployableman@reddit
I feel euphoric
LostInAnotherGalaxy@reddit
Oh your moral standards must be through the roof. Have you read more than half of the books all the way through?
dhtikna@reddit
No pretty much everything here is not the simplest interpretation of the text
TraumaPerformer@reddit
Anon raises a good point actually. Why wasn’t man allowed to have knowledge?
inb4 “BECAUSE GOD SAID AND HIS WORD IS UNQUESTIONABLY LAW!!!!!!!!!”
The more I consider Christianity, the less reason I see within it. I’d jump on the “religion exists for control” bandwagon if there was proof more than 2% of any population took their religion seriously.
DancingPhantoms@reddit
That's because it's a brainwashing culture (like every religion). It simultaneously mocks you about being brainwashed and tests you if you are loyal to the brainwashing control cult, by telling you there's secret information out there that you have to ignore (basically acknowledges that it's not telling you the truth).
TraumaPerformer@reddit
Ah yes, the survey, an infallible method.
Most middle aged people in the uk identify as Christian, yet they couldn’t tell you last time they participated in the religion.
I also had a brief stint as a Christian - not just any denomination, but independent Baptist. Strictest of the strict. All of them professed an unwavering degree of obedience to, and study of, gods word. Learned over time that all of them were full of shit, with the possible exception of two members.
As with anything in life, you have a few tryhards and the rest are casuals who don’t really care.
DancingPhantoms@reddit
You see you would be right if the vast majority of Muslims weren't praying towards mecca 5 times a day, weren't wearing hijabs (if a woman), or not eating halal pork.
TraumaPerformer@reddit
You see you would be right if you weren't always wrong about everything ever.
Christians tick all their boxes as well, but once they get back into their ordinary lives suddenly everything slips away.
DancingPhantoms@reddit
Okay, don't listen to actual statistics or literal known information. Just ignore it and think through your preferred lens of idealized version of reality
TraumaPerformer@reddit
I'm considering the statistics that matter - the ones that aren't yours. Because you are wrong.
DancingPhantoms@reddit
What specifically am I wrong about.
TraumaPerformer@reddit
Please see article 2b:
In this instance it has been demonstrated, and agreed unanimously, that everything you have claimed is wrong not only in the past and present, but also the future.
If you would like to appeal, please apply in writing. However, during the application please be reminded that whatever you say is subject to article 2b.
DancingPhantoms@reddit
demonstrated... and agreed unanimously.... Are you listening to yourself? Do you need help?
EthernalForADay@reddit
Percentage rises rapidly with people losing control over their lives. As soon as a significant crisis happens, be it war, famine or disease outbreak, that renders it impossible for most people to influence own survival chances, the more ppl start relying on spirituality to help them get through the days, considering each day of living a blessing from a higher force, looking for rituals and places, that could at least somewhat improve their chances, even if just perceptively.
My take on religion is that it's a survival mechanism, that many individuals require to stop themselves from falling into nihilism. Modern society, especially in first and second world countries does not adopt spirituality the same way, as developed systems make survivability and quality of life much more predictable.
When you lose a job you can find another one, it might not be better, but it will likely pay your bills and food expenses. When the economy is failing, you can learn to be more resourceful, try to diverge into a more lucrative field of work or move to a place that is less affected. You have much more opportunity to do something and get somewhat reliable results, and you are more knowledgeable of means to achieve it.
The ability to control people through religion for selfish gains is not the purpose of it, as religion only has power over people that choose to participate. It is a neat bonus tho, as people form societies based on unconditional belief, as there are no available alternatives, it is only consequential that adjusting those beliefs, will adjust the behavior of said religious people.
dhtikna@reddit
POV of anon with the highest reading comprehension on 4chan
cocainebrick3242@reddit
He's citing fanfiction as evidence of Satan being the goodest of boys.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
pretty sure a lot of that actually IS in the bible
don't know which of those are fan fiction
cocainebrick3242@reddit
Satan giving man knowledge is from paradise lost.
In the original story it was just some lizard. God removed its limbs for the transgression, forcing it to crawl on its belly for the rest of its life.
MasterTahirLON@reddit
Isn't that supposed to be Satan? Hence why Satan is associated with Snakes.
TheNorthStar05@reddit
I don’t think Satan is really even in the Old Testament, at least not originally. And there’s no evidence that the Serpent that tricks Eve into eating from the tree of knowledge is Satan. He’s just some fuckass reptile that is punished for committing crimes against God.
InfusionOfYellow@reddit
Narratively that's stranger than it being Satan, though. Why does a random reptile have human-level communication ability, and why is it trying to trick man into breaking the rules?
kfish5050@reddit
If God made humans have multiple different languages, it can make sense that at one point before that all humans and animals could communicate at some basic level.
As for trying to trick humans, it could have possibly been because the snake was curious what would happen if someone ate the forbidden fruit, but didn't want to risk doing it himself, so he found some sucker to do it for him. I mean at least that would be my guess.
Desperate_Banana_677@reddit
would that I were some fuckass reptile
Squawnk@reddit
Nah that part is basically headcanon
Letters_to_Dionysus@reddit
the snake, satan, lucifer, the beast, and the antichrist are potentially all separate characters
justgot86d@reddit
fallofhernadez@reddit
Gaul
Mafagafinhu@reddit
loudaggerer@reddit
CompactAvocado@reddit
Anon discovers most western religions are simply about teaching people to obey authority.
Sinfere@reddit
*most religions
Scary_Land2303@reddit
*almost all religions
Stumpedforausername1@reddit
That's what he said?
dincosire@reddit
He wanted to feel like he was contributing
anonymous101814@reddit
Idk but when I read most I just think more than 50%, but when I read almost all to me that would imply somewhere around 90%
segtendonerd64@reddit
For me, most reads more like 70%. Don't know why not 75%, 70% just feels more like it.
uncreativename0587@reddit
But most pf christian history is questioning authority and being persiced and massacured for it like every non denomination came from rebeling agianst athority like the original church and judeism
surinam_boss@reddit
This is reddit man, don't even try to argue these topics here
maximidze228@reddit
Famously western region of ancient judea
The_Nude_Mocracy@reddit
That was the west back then, until greeks discovered gay sex and invented western Europe
Smargendorf@reddit
the greeks may have invented casual gay sex, but the romans called that shit week and came out with the ranked, competitive gay sex update
Bullet0AlanRussell@reddit
The Romans also added the "women's inclusion" patch to orgies although the reception for that was worse overall
FloppyDysk@reddit
Too sweaty for me
llamawithguns@reddit
Its furthur west than the origins of pretty much all the other major world religions
Geo-Man42069@reddit
Tbf the First Council of Nicaea basically set up the institution of the church to capitalize on the Christian faith and turn it into the means of public control. I think there was a heavier focus on Jesus and “do onto others as you would have done onto you” basic message beforehand.
asdfman2000@reddit
I love how many non-Christians and protestants completely forget about the rest of the Gospels and writings by the apostles.
You could argue there was more of an emphasis on pacifism and asceticism, but many/most church traditions were already established before the First Ecumenical Council.
Guavxhe@reddit
My brain is so cooked I thought you meant in 40k 😭😭😭
Xenochu86@reddit
Religion is evil, look what it did to poor innocent Magnus
Expensive-Ad-1205@reddit
Magnus did nothing wrong
He was supposed to do nothing and he did that wrong
PvtSatan@reddit
God dammit this made me laugh way too hard for such a dad-joke of a comment
hsvgamer199@reddit
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of Human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
Munnin41@reddit
Why change the name when the purpose is basically the same?
jizzmcskeet@reddit
Magnus did nothing wrong
Rustie3000@reddit
Same dude, saaame...
TeamBoeing@reddit
First commandment
queeblosan@reddit
If you delete the notion that god is good it makes a lot more sense. Like what this guy wants is just what he wants do apply morality or logic to it.
p00nki@reddit
im not religious and i dont deny anything on here but i judge a religion based on how much they are willing to take insults and jokes about it nowadays. ffs how many studios have been threatened by muslims because they made jokes about them and yet christian faith is made fun of each day by everyone
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
you haven't seen christian fundamentalists.
p00nki@reddit
im not counting extremists for anything, thats why i dont count terrorists
but whole countries have very insane sexist/racist or something-ist laws that are in place because their god said so
if a woman walks around town with a bra on she will probably be condemned by extreme christians as well, but she wont be (legally?) beaten to death and/or raped right?
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
probably not.
angus22proe@reddit
I mean things like "oh my god" or using jesus's name as a curse are explicitly condemned but everyone goes around saying it and Christians don't do anything.
ZenPyx@reddit
That is an extremely recent situation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_the_United_States
RymrgandsDaughter@reddit
Yeah Christians are better at destroying people they hate so everyone thinks they're civilized when they do it
p00nki@reddit
not today though? you hate christians because youre surrounded by them and the bullshit that comes with extremism, imagine if it was the same deal but muslims
Lord-Kibben@reddit
Bro just unintentionally reinvented Gnosticism
soiboi64@reddit
Paid for by big Satan
DBSGigaBuu@reddit
My brother in Christ, the Bible IS the psyop.
LightofAngels@reddit
Big Stan
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
anaesthaesia@reddit
Up there, there is so much room, where babies burp and flowers bloom... Everyone dreams, I could dream too, up there! Up where the skies are ocean blue, and I could live without a care, up there ~
DF9-finishedwhen@reddit
We are floating above the mountains
Watching all the tiny people
How they waste themselves away
Obey themselves away
How willingly they lay their love
How willingly they sacrifice themselves
To the locust master
To the one that drowned the world
They love their parasite god
Yet they crucify me
How willingly they lay their love
How willingly they sacrifice themselves
To the bringer of hunger
To the one that drowned the world
They love their parasite god
Yet they crucify me
I want to be your parasite god
So I can show you what you really are
I want to be your parasite god
So I can show you who you really are
They love their parasite god
Yet they crucify me
Valuable_Ant332@reddit
GeneralLucullus@reddit
Episode 96877 of people who've never touched a Bible talking about religion
Alexius_Psellos@reddit
Anon when missing the whole point
uncreativename0587@reddit
Where is everything in there besides the 1st 2
Illustrious_River695@reddit
it's posts like these that always remind me which app I'm on
Delicious-Furniture@reddit
Grail_Knight22148@reddit
Thats reddit folks!
Smg5pol@reddit
Real
KarlPc167@reddit
Lmao the mental gymnastics from the Christian is hilarious. "TheSe aRe jUst hYperBolE and sHoUldn't bE tAlkeN liTeRAly" lmao.
Lying_Motherfucker@reddit
There is no biblical evidence that the serpent in Genesis was Satan. It literally just says serpent,whose only punishment is to crawl on its belly and to be feared.
Oculi_Glauci@reddit
Furthermore, the serpent tells the truth and God lies in the garden. God says Adam and Eve will surely die if they eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, and the serpent says they will become like God if they eat it. They eat it and don’t die, then God himself says “you have become like me, knowing good and evil.”
wednesdaythecat@reddit
I don't know why people are pretending this isn't true. Used an LLM cause I ain't got time for that
🌊 Floods the Earth
Genesis 6:17
“I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens—every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.”
⸻
🗣️ Divides Humanity by Language
Genesis 11:7–8
“Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” “So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth…”
⸻
💍 Forces Rape Victims to Marry Their Rapists
Deuteronomy 22:28–29
“If a man meets a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her … he must marry the young woman … He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”
⸻
⚔️ Encourages Virgins as War Spoils
Numbers 31:17–18
“Kill every male child and every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”
⸻
😔 Makes Wives into Prostitutes
Hosea 1:2
“Go, marry a promiscuous woman and have children with her, for like an adulterous wife this land is guilty of unfaithfulness to the LORD.”
⸻
🥩 Predicts/Allows Cannibalism
Deuteronomy 28:53
“Because of the suffering … you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of your sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you.” Also: Lamentations 4:10
⸻
🧒 Blesses Killing of Infants
Psalm 137:9
“Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.”
⸻
🧷 Encourages Slavery
Leviticus 25:44–46
“You may buy male and female slaves from the nations around you … You can make them slaves for life.”
⸻
👦 Orders Death of Disobedient Children
Deuteronomy 21:18–21
“Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you.”
⸻
☠️ Orders Genocide (Amalekites)
1 Samuel 15:3
“Now go … put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”
⸻
♿ Bars Disabled Priests
Leviticus 21:17–23
“No man who has any defect … is to come near to offer the food of his God.”
⸻
🐍 SATAN
🌳 Gives Knowledge to Humans (Tree of Knowledge)
Genesis 3:4–5
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said … “your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” → Result: Adam and Eve gain awareness of good and evil
GeneralSteelflex@reddit
They're pretending it's not true because they can't fathom the idea that the book they've been raised to believe is the literal word of God might be just a tad bit flawed. In other words, pure copium.
vivianvixxxen@reddit
Someone just finished Milton's Paradise Lost
Laxhoop2525@reddit
Anon is not able to hide the fact that he is an undercover redditor.
Anon is also not capable of understanding that tricking people into eating fruit that gives them the ability to commit evil is not, in fact, a good thing.
Anon also cannot comprehend how most of what he lists here are:
1.) Only from the King James version of the Bible, which many have claimed was edited to follow his personal beliefs. 2.) God’s actions that were the direct response to the hubris or evil of man. 3.) Is just outright fucking false.
FloppyDysk@reddit
Satan was able to work around God's greatest creation, humanity, and mold them in a way God didn't like? Damn God got skill diff'd by Satan.
Imagine calling someone a dunce because they don't believe 2000-6000 year old fairy tales.
coolguy9229@reddit
Most of this that is actually a fair reading is actually from the Old Testament. Interestingly there have been sects of Christianity like the Christian Gnostics that saw the old testament god as a false god who was evil as supposed to the true, Christian god from the new testament because of how stark the difference is between them.
Smarty_771@reddit
Forgets Satan caused death and suffering in the world due to his gift
Rational_Defiance@reddit
God killed everyone with a flood at one point and sends people to be tortured forever when they die because of flaws that he himself programmed into them. Doesn't get much more sadistic than that.
asdfman2000@reddit
You mean free will? We were created in God's image.
ZenPyx@reddit
The whole "free will" argument breaks down when you realise that if we were truly created to be omnibenevolent in God's image, even with free will, we would still be incapable of sin.
Also, if you don't like your government, you are literally damned to hell -
"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.... Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. " (Romans 13)
That's right! If you opposed the Nazis or the USSR whilst living in Germany or the Soviet Union at that time, you are, according to this verse, damned to hell! If you don't like paying taxes? Straight to hell.
Whisked_Eggplant@reddit
Anon is a time traveler from Rome
Thenderick@reddit
Playing devils advocate now.
The bible is not "a" book. The bible is a collection of multiple books. Judaism, Christianity and Islam share those books, but have each made a selection on what to focus. Speaking as an atheist that was raised Christian (protestant) that had contact with other Christians from other churches, even within the different branches of Christianity the bible books aren't the same. Sometimes even among churches they aren't. I bet the same goes for Judaism and Islam too.
Also, I think nobody should take the bible litterly. I know there are those who do, but in my opinion I still carry most of the life lessons behind the literal stories in the bible. And I truly believe more people should do that. My favorite that's currently my life motto: "treat another like you want to be treated"
nlzza@reddit
Quran is preserved. You have ancient texts from the times of the Prophet in Turkey and Birmingham.
Landio_Chadicus@reddit
Fake: anon has the brain power for literary analysis
Real: anon convinces himself drug fueled b*tthole secks isn’t a sin
GroGroudonDu31@reddit
He who lays with another man shall be stoned
Landio_Chadicus@reddit
Stoned on reefer 🥴
Smargendorf@reddit
sorry, those are the rules.
Applitude@reddit
God is good because… well he just is OKAY!
BastardizedBlastoise@reddit
Anon is le enlightened athiest
An_Abject_Testament@reddit
Absolutely crazy, clinically insane work that it's always people with jackshit knowledge theology who have the most to say about this or that religion lmao
Red_Blast@reddit
-God gives free will to mankind -mankind uses freewill to do bad things -blames god
by_bay@reddit
this is so mythology coded
Ozymandias_1303@reddit
Anon rediscovers Gnosticism.
Jellylegs_19@reddit
Because the Bible has been corrupted by Satan to include those details (Besides the flood) to cause men to sin while thinking they're obeying God. God's original message of the Torah and Gospel been preserved in the Quran and eliminated those atrocious statements and commands.
Bignutdavis@reddit
I believe the Internet is Satan's bible /s
Prestigious-Fig1172@reddit
Satan is an evil retord, just like Anon.
OliviaAthmara@reddit
Yahweh is the Demiurge and Lucifer is one of his archons read the Gnostic Gospels
Known-Ad-1556@reddit
Hail Satan
CainhurstVayne@reddit
OOP should post nose
lewistinethecunt@reddit
Satan might not even exist as far as I can tell from genesis it was just one random snake that fucked over two entire species
convicted_felon25@reddit
Technically most of this is old testament so it's the Jewish god
LordJanas@reddit
Average Gnostic L
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
fuck you and your God
I_saw_Horus_fall@reddit
Average Gnostic W
ThePandaReborn@reddit
Lucifer is the OG freedom fighter
Delicious-Furniture@reddit
Anon has a preschool understanding of religion
SunnyApex87@reddit
Anon, I don't know how to tell you this but all of this shit is fiction, nothing of it is real
cantorofleng@reddit
Hell is eternal torment, but God promises the end. Easy pick, don't you think?
uni-zombie@reddit
Bro forgot about the New Testament patch that Jesus updated
creeper6530@reddit
Bro, half of that was cancelled by Jesus and the other half are misinterpretations
HotDogGrass2@reddit
wait till he learns that a majority of those issues are from old Jeish law that was effectively retconned after Jesus came
MixRealistic54@reddit
All religion is man made - therefore, this is irrelevant.
Marik-X-Bakura@reddit
You could say that about virtually any possible discussion
baudmiksen@reddit
All discussions are just words created by man, henceforth irrelevant
Known-Ad-1556@reddit
Well, scientific discussion doesn’t pretend that Sky Daddy did it. The very essence of scientific ideology is “here’s some shit we did for ourselves…”
INCUMBENTLAWYER@reddit
opinion disregarded
DancingPhantoms@reddit
I think what they meant to say is... it's fiction... human synthesized stories: without actually needing any kind of scientific or logical basis.
lmay0000@reddit
Due_Capital_3507@reddit
The fact that people are arguing in the comments here about a green text means that the OP of the green text won
SomeSortaWeeb@reddit
i saw a really cool video of this, there was some war a while ago that more or less wiped out the gnostic religion that believed that the "God" of the old testament is a bitter but powerful creature (that did all of the things in the screenshot) called the demiurge which strived to keep humanity from achieving a form of enlightenment/heaven. it's genuinely really interesting and i probably just butchered the history of it so id strongly suggest reading into it if you're bored.
SomeSortaWeeb@reddit
though id say the more interesting question is what would the world be like today if the gnostics won, with them being more akin to buddhists than catholics or christians.
rokomotto@reddit
Here before the padlock arrives.
ShotMyTatorTots@reddit
God also comes around once a week to ask for a little money.
TheDevilsAdvokaat@reddit
I think you're more of a devil's advocate than I am .... :-P
Segmentum@reddit
I am DELIVERT though
TheBoyHarambe@reddit
lotta angry sCHRISTzophrenics in this post
SpacialCommieCi@reddit
teach anon about gnosticism
DiabeticRhino97@reddit
Most theologically literate 4channer
willofserra@reddit
Decimator24244@reddit
Im going to need a source on the cannibalism.
Arthur_Zoin@reddit
Dude, Gnosticism has been a thing for centuries
yourmomophobe@reddit
Always funny to see people rediscovering gnosticism. If you actually think this I'd recommend reading more about it. There are plenty of strains of people who take these views, it often seems to get pretty messy because now they are basing what they believe on a negative impression of something others believe. But yeah from a literary standpoint if you want to feel like you've figured something out with this then good on ya, but I might still suggest some further reading.
Kevin_LeStrange@reddit
That wasn't Satan that tempted Eve to take the fruit and give it to Adam, necessarily. That was a later interpretation trying to tie everything together.
I_saw_Horus_fall@reddit
The bible makes more sense if you read the Gnostic gospels and other early Christian books like the Pistas Sophia and Books of Nod that the orthodox church made non canon after their rise to power within the Roman government but kept the parts they liked. Funnily enough Jesus preached more on gnostic principles and spoke out against orthodox teachings which is probably why most of the canon new testament is an orthodox and Roman glazer. "Jesus is the most important person in this book and in history, which is why we cut out most of what he said and filled it with this Paul guy even though several of the things he said directly contradict what was said by the guy we claim is God mad flesh"
lEx2514@reddit
Anon has a point
Mr_Pink_Gold@reddit
God is basically ChatGPT. Says a lot of fucked up shit you call him out on it and he goes "you are absolutely right this is unacceptable!" And then follows to the "I never said anything like that"
One-Beach-9307@reddit
anon didn't hear that they dropped the patch about 2000 years ago
Yubei00@reddit
ok buddy satan
FatGuyANALLIttlecoat@reddit
Check out Gnosticism
rosso_saturno@reddit
r/im14andthisisdeep
NealTS@reddit
Thanks, John Milton!
Mickamehameha@reddit
The Old Testament is pretty fucking metal, great read
ConfidentMongoose@reddit
Anon is anti-semitic... saying that jews are worse than Satan. Time to shut this down.
EvasiveElf5211@reddit
They are
rotten_skin_blunt@reddit
“ synagogue of satan”