As of June 5th, it is now illegal to use your phone at all while driving or stopped at a light in Pennsylvania.
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porterbrown@reddit
Blah blah. Untill any of this BS is enforced it's meaningless.
People drive and text all the time. Illegal. Doesn't stop them.
Perth_R34@reddit
We’ve had these laws in Australia for the last 20 years. They can easily be enforced.
porterbrown@reddit
Preach. Let's do it. How many times I drive my people looking at their steering wheel. Idiots.
Terryknowsbest@reddit
So just because people don't follow the law, it's meaningless to make the law?
Murder should be legal, thousands of people do it every year...
porterbrown@reddit
I agree with you. We don't need new laws and articles and public servants wasting time. Just enforce the existing law.
Left4DayZGone@reddit
Here’s what this law actually does.
Instead of people texting with their phones held up where they can still kinda see the road, now people are texting with their phones hidden down low and completely taking their eyes off the road.
It hasn’t stopped texting while driving.
linnamulla@reddit
No law has ever stopped everyone from committing a certain crime. Murder is illegal, yet some people still do it. The goal isn't to completely stop texting while driving, that's basically impossible. Read this quote:
"Distracted driving is a serious issue that undermines PennDOT and the PA Turnpike’s collective effort to create safe driving experiences for our travelers," said PA Turnpike CEO Mark Compton. "Safety is the driving force of what we do at the Pennsylvania Turnpike, and the Paul Miller Law is a meaningful step towards safer roads for everyone."
Left4DayZGone@reddit
I just described how the law makes things worse because it changes the behavior from bad, to really bad.
If texting and driving is bad, which it is, then texting with your phone hidden down below your dashboard and completely taking your eyes off the road is worse… and that’s what these laws result in.
We passed this law here in Michigan and, anecdotal yes, but drivers have become CONSIDERABLY worse ever since. This is my theory, that at least before they were still keeping an eye on the road, but now they aren’t.
Murder is a terribly analogy. Very few people face a moral quandary when choosing to text while driving; most people think “well I’m different, I’ll do it carefully, I’m a better driver than anyone else and I won’t have an accident.” Very few people would try to justify murder that way.
Terryknowsbest@reddit
Let's make underage smoking and drinking legal.
By making it illegal, the kids are just doing it in secret anyways. We'd be way better off if it was legal.
Left4DayZGone@reddit
Isn’t that literally the argument for making weed legal? “When it’s illegal it leads to worse crime”?
Terryknowsbest@reddit
Agreed. That's why you have to make it illegal.
Let's say using your phone is legal - you then get pulled over and cited for distracted driving...
Are you going to applaud the officer for giving you consequence for your poor (legal) actions, or question WTF he pulled you over and cited you for something that is legal?
We cannot inflict consequences unless it's illegal. You'd be in here making arguments against overreach from the police otherwise.
Left4DayZGone@reddit
Not exactly… it’s not illegal to drive a car, but if you hit a pedestrian, there’s a penalty for that.
In the event that a law evokes a worse problem as people try to circumvent it, it needs to be reconsidered.
Terryknowsbest@reddit
Yes precisely, because there are laws around vehicular manslaughter, hit and run, battery and assault.
Where are your stats about phone use getting worse after distracted driving laws coming into effect?
It's weird that defending poor morals and crime is so commonplace in america.
Left4DayZGone@reddit
I’m not defending poor morals and crime dude, I’m saying that if the solution creates a bigger problem, which I have noticed ANECDOTALLY as mentioned, then it’s not a solution.
Terryknowsbest@reddit
So on June 4th, you saw hardly any distracted drivers.
June 5th, after the law came into effect, there were a ton more distracted drivers? While claiming that they were breaking the law in secret. How do you know that more people are breaking the law now, if they are breaking it in secret?
Left4DayZGone@reddit
…no…
In MICHIGAN, prior to the law going into effect in 2023, I saw a lot of distracted drivers.
Since the law has gone into effect, I’ve seen a lot of distracted drivers, but now they’re even worse and getting worse, crossing into oncoming lanes or failing to negotiate turns because NOW, I suspect they are hiding their phones in their laps and looming DOWN instead of holding the phone up where they can still see the road.
zeno0771@reddit
I won't search through 50 states' worth of traffic laws but in at least a few I know that some traffic-stop-worthy offenses become aggravating factors in crashes, usually upping traffic/misdemeanor charges to a felony. The problem is that this doesn't act as a deterrent; people breaking laws like this do so precisely because they don't think it will cause any problems. Some of the worst drivers in this country have clean or almost-clean records; not only do they not think they'll get caught, that they don't think there's any cause for concern despite the fact that behind-the-wheel reaction times have been measured ad nauseam and the results are as consistent as an atomic clock: Taking your eyes off the road for any longer than it takes to read a fuel gauge or speedometer is dangerous. It's common-sense as well as empirically established, but Karen and Chad aRE gOOOD dRiVERS WiTH tEH bEST rEACTiON TiMES.
The important thing to remember is that laws are passed because people as a rule are stupid. Just as every warning label exists because someone did the very thing the label warns you against, every criminal law in a modern, civilized society exists because there is a statistically-significant number of people who should not be trusted with sharp objects. I'm not saying the system is perfect; far from it (especially post-Citizens United). I'm just saying that laws are ideally a last resort, not a first response. Look how long it took PA to even recognize this.
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linnamulla@reddit
Most people don't even break the law to begin with. The others can be handled by effective law enforcement.
Maybe the law enforcement just isn't effective, but you can't enforce a law that doesn't exist.
EvilTribble@reddit
When you live in a police state and everything is a crime it isn't really about eliminating behaviors anymore its just about having something lying in wait to get who you want got. It is effectively illegal to drive a car because as the supreme court recognized a cop can follow you and within a mile get RAS for a traffic stop.
linnamulla@reddit
If you "live in a police state" and it's "effectively illegal to drive a car", I don't think you should be worried about not being allowed to text while driving anymore. Sounds like you've got bigger problems.
RandomGenName1234@reddit
Murikah, fuck yeah!
EvilTribble@reddit
You can't check your map anymore without becoming a criminal but the two idiots you quoted can't fix a pothole to save our lives. I'd say we all have a lot of problems this government causes.
Sylvan_Sam@reddit
If the report comes out indicating that blacks and males get pulled over more often than non-blacks and women, that will make people angry. So if the data starts trending that way (which historically it does) that means cops will have to pull over more non-blacks and females to make up the difference. So they'll be targeting whites and women.
seeyousoon2@reddit
I assume looking at your phone is using your phone so I doubt you'll be able to have your phone on your dash with GPS on. I've heard of a guy being ticketed for charging his phone because charging is a function of the phone. It probably got dismissed if he fought it but he still got it.
triguy616@reddit
You could, just, you know, open the link instead of make shit up!
seeyousoon2@reddit
Nah, I didn't care about accuracy I was just using it as a segue to get to my charging story.
Ok-Company-310@reddit
Isn’t it defined in this law as operating a vehicle which is a very broad definition. Keys in the ignition but parked, you’re operating.
Seems like a very creative way to criminalize you filming police stops.
Time-Is-Life@reddit
Cmon man. That's absolutely reaching and hitting conspiracy theory levels of BS. Everyone knows there's too many idiots on their phone and I see it every day at stop lights and on the highway. I've seen many near accidents and missed many green lights because of idiots with the constant need for engagement can't just pay attention while driving.
TheArchonians@reddit
Meanwhile, you still have to navigate thru multiple touch screen navigation pages to adjust AC settings
Blurgas@reddit
Had my car in for some work and they gave me a '25 Corolla as a loaner for the day.
Jesus christ trying to navigate the radio was a mess.
It's a fucking FM radio, was it really so damned hard to have large, easy to find Tune and/or Seek buttons?
AccipiterCooperii@reddit
Both can be bad at the same time.
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
No shit, the point of the comment is that the government uses phones as a means to generate ticket revenue under the guise of safety while at the same time doing actually fucking nothing to regulate stupidly complex and distracting infotainment screens that require the driver to look away from the road significantly just to change basic settings like a/c.
Hedhunta@reddit
This is so accurate. I rode in my friends Lexus the other day(I drive cheap shitty beaters cause who wants to spend that much) and the screen was literally bigger than TV's I had as a kid. What the fuck.
AccipiterCooperii@reddit
Unfortunately I don’t think the state of Pennsylvania has much authority to make changes to national vehicle safety standards.
Macgyver452@reddit
Subaru's new models are the worst with one big screen. They tout safety first, but then bury climate controls in a Windows 95 relic.
Zelderian@reddit
For real. “Looking at your phone while driving, even while stopped is dangerous. But use this iPad to control everything in the car at anytime”
Cessnaporsche01@reddit
It's totally safe that to adjust the air vents you have to go 12 windows deep and play an interactive video game to get the air where you want it, while navigational popups asking about the state of traffic get in the way
Educational_Age_1333@reddit
At every light every single person is on their phone. They will never be able to enforce this but like somebody else said it'll be another reason for them to pull people over.
ShadowNick@reddit
I've seen cops stand on the corner at intersections and watches for people on their phone. The cop will then radio it to the cop that's on the curb. But we all know that the realistic use case is they'll pull anyone over even if they aren't using their phone and say they were. Because 90% of people use it for their music and gps.
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
Also cops use giant laptops and it's all good.
https://www.kwch.com/2024/10/10/report-wichita-pd-officer-was-using-in-car-computer-when-he-hit-killed-man-crossing-street/
Look, the intent of these laws is good. But it's impossible to accurately and fairly enforce beyond seeing someone holding a phone or looking down in their lap at a phone like an absolute muppet. Making legal language prohibiting a specific number of screen taps for specific app use cases is hilariously too specific for accurate enforcement. You have absolutely no fucking idea what someone is doing on a mounted phone unless you are at a very specific angle behind them to see it.
Time-Is-Life@reddit
I routinely see people scrolling through Facebook or tiktok at stoplights or just driving down the road. I can't imagine this law would be hard to enforce at all. People are truly oblivious to what's going on around them.
Terryknowsbest@reddit
This has been the law in Canada since 2012, I can't believe it isn't mandated across the US. Good law to have.
Educational_Age_1333@reddit
I agree it's good but I live in Pennsylvania and I can tell you I was at a four-way stop yesterday afternoon and every single person that I could see was on their phone. There's not a lot of police here they literally would just walk to an intersection and just be writing the entire shift and still not be able to get everybody.
In reality maybe it becoming a law will stop people from doing it so much even without direct enforcement.
Terryknowsbest@reddit
Precisely. I don't understand why people think it shouldn't be a law just because they can't imagine enforcement. In Canada they us Ai cameras to detect phone use, and I personally know many of people pulled over for distracted driving.
Making it illegal is a great step. Then enforce it. If they enforced it before making it illegal, we'd have even more whiners.
Perth_R34@reddit
We’ve had these laws in Australia for 20 years. They can easily be enforced
yes_literally@reddit
Here in Toronto we have unmarked police SUVs with cameras mounted on each roof corner, looking down.
Very easy to get a ticket for using your phone, and the police have video evidence to back up the charge.
I don't love it, but I also don't love people navigating massive machines through traffic and pedestrians without looking ...
The SUVs aren't marked, but obviously, the cameras (and interior lights) aren't too difficult to spot ... if you're not staring at a phone ...
Due_Percentage_1929@reddit
This is true in many states
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit (OP)
Prior to June 5th, texting while driving was already illegal, but this is now expanded to using your phone at all, even while stopped at a red light, stopped in traffic, etc.
As of now, there is only a warning, but in a year on June 6th 2026, you will be able to receive a citation for it.
This is known as Paul Miller’s Law
TzarKazm@reddit
I'm not against this. People need to put their phones down. The only reason I can think of to hold a phone while driving is to call 911. I've seen way too much stupid happen and I don't even drive that much.
cabbage-soup@reddit
That and GPS on older cars. I didn’t read into this but I hope there’s an exception for navigation systems. Going back to holding up paper maps and directions won’t be any safer
Double_Minimum@reddit
You need a mount. Don’t hold a phone for navigation . Drive with both hands and concentrate.
(Also, people were able to navigate before phones.)
cabbage-soup@reddit
People were navigating with paper maps! Literally thats what my family did, it’d be opened up all in the drivers face.
And I’m not saying you need to hold your phone but the way this sounds is that even glancing at your phone is against the law
T-Baaller@reddit
phone mounts exist and are allowed by this law, like every other hands-free law I've seen
m1a2c2kali@reddit
I guess where’s the line? If it’s mounted up but you’re not on a navigation screen when would you get pulled over when using it at a stop light.
Double_Minimum@reddit
You would get pulled over if it is clearly a distraction. If you have anything BUT navigation open and being used, it’s an issue.
T-Baaller@reddit
The line is holding the phone with a hand. Let me click through the link to the law for you.
m1a2c2kali@reddit
It’s the second part that isn’t clear to me. So dialing a number will almost always use more than a single button. Any other type of input into the phone while mounted can look like that as well.
T-Baaller@reddit
You press the car's voice button and say "dial bob" or say "hey siri dial bob" to call someone.
m1a2c2kali@reddit
Sure you can, but according to this if you press home then phone then contacts then dial, that’s not allowed. But it doesn’t say if scrolling TikTok is allowed while mounted or not. That’s where the unclear line is to me.
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
I don't get the downvotes here at all. It is not possible for a cop to determine from the side what someone is doing tapping a mounted phone screen whether or not it involves answering or making a phone call vs doing functions that are the same as a built in car touchscreen display.
That's the entire problem with these kinds of laws: the basic premise is fine, but it's not factually enforceable and is just another excuse for a cop to bullshit "you were doing xyz" and make you pay a fine.
Please explain the difference between tapping a dash mounted phone screen multiple times to make a phone call vs digging through apps on Carplay in a built in screen or digging through hvac setting on a built in screen.
People being absolute idiots holding a phone in their lap or their hand can be enforced easily. It's not mounted. But pretending that cops have magic powers that will let them determine what specifically someone is doing on a mounted phone is just insane.
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
Yes that specific item is just too impossible to enforce accurately. This law thinks cops can, from inside their own vehicle, look through the window into another vehicle and determine whether or not a person with a phone in a dashboard mount is "answering a call on a mobile device by touching the screen more than once" vs using it for music/navigation the same as a built in infotainment display?
LOL
isaac99999999@reddit
Set the GPS before you leave. There no reason to be looking at your phone while driving.
cabbage-soup@reddit
Well if you have an older car, you kind of need to look at the phone if you want to see the route. And idk about yall but my GPS regularly is suggesting alternative routes and prompting me while driving. Usually because traffic makes the original route longer.
I have carplay now so its a non issue in my car, but my husband’s car doesn’t so we still have to put our phone in the cup holder. We haven’t found a good magnetic holder than works without failing after a month or so.
isaac99999999@reddit
You can get a hold that sections to your dash and mechanically holds your phone. When it suggests rhe alternate routes you can just ignore it and it will go away
cabbage-soup@reddit
Yes but I want the alternative routes?
isaac99999999@reddit
Then you can pull over and select it. Or you can put a carplay/android auto capable radio in
SRTie4k@reddit
Can you? Is the law text written so that if you are stopped on the side of the road you won't be fined for this? Or is it more "any time you are in a running car touching your phone you are guilty?"
Honestly curious.
wtfduud@reddit
It's specifically "while driving" and "stopped at a red light"
wtfduud@reddit
Idk. The way this law is worded, that could count as using the phone.
ShadowNick@reddit
My 2015 GMC Terrain doesn't have updated GPS so half the roads aren't accurate. They still have speed limits that were changed. I.e. a 55mph road is now 40. Set the GPS and use Bluetooth or AUX before you go.
You and I both know police aren't gonna go oh you were just on your GPS and walk off.
HotLikeSauce420@reddit
Yup gonna completely stop with the new law in place!
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
Also cops are allowed to continue using giant laptops in their vehicles while driving around.
https://www.kwch.com/2024/10/10/report-wichita-pd-officer-was-using-in-car-computer-when-he-hit-killed-man-crossing-street/
GodsFavoriteDegen@reddit
I'm going to have to go back to reading a paper book while I drive.
nevergonnastawp@reddit
We've had this law in Canada for like 10 years. Hasn't really helped. I see more people on their phones now than ever. More and more every year
kyonkun_denwa@reddit
Yeah I was going to say, Ontario has had these laws since 2009. At first it was quite effective because there was very strong enforcement, and for a while, I noticed people stopped using their cell phones while driving. But since COVID, enforcement has been nonexistent, and I see tons of people literally watching videos while they drive. And today’s cell phones are orders of magnitude more distracting than the ones we had in 2009.
The law is only good if it’s enforced.
xienze@reddit
Right, but the counterpoint is you'll end up with the usual suspects complaining that it's just another excuse for cops to pull people, particularly minorities, over (see: numerous comments in this thread). Eventually cops stop enforcing small stuff like this because the prevailing belief is that cops are committing a civil rights violation every time they attempt to enforce it. It ends up not being worth the bother.
kyonkun_denwa@reddit
We don’t really have this issue in Canada, our problem is a class divide, and I really wish people would stop importing this American problem to avoid the consequences of their cell phone chats.
But I recognize that in the US this could be an issue, especially in sundown towns.
nevergonnastawp@reddit
Wow has it really been that long? Time flies
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
It's the same as everything else, like speeding and weaving through traffic and tailgaiting. It's not possible to really enforce, it's just a law on the book to give another charge to drivers who have already fucked up enough to cause a crash by doing it. Giving a ticket to 1 out out of the 1000 motorists who just passed by a cop car doesn't change the behavior of the other 999 of them.
So what can be done? I don't know, but it's laughable to think these laws will do a damn thing to stop idiots from watching Netflix behind wheel. There are a handful of traffic cops only in a few specific locations a day.
Terryknowsbest@reddit
In 2012 when the law came into effect, only 45-50% of people had a smart phone.
Today it's 90%+ people that have smart phones. I think what are you are seeing is indicative of uptake in phones, not the law failing.
lostboyz@reddit
At face value...good, but unfortunately it's just an excuse to pull people over and go fishing for more.
nealomg@reddit
I got pulled over once because I got into the turn lane too far from where I was turning. It was like 1am and literally no one was on the road but me. I figure he was hoping I was drunk or something, but I wasn't and he didn't detain me long. Still annoyed me though.
Double_Minimum@reddit
I was pulled over once for making a weird face when a police car surprised me by turning right from the straight lane and passing me as I turned right.
You can imagine my surprise that a police officer would essentially cut me off and appear in a place that would normally cause a car accident, and likely would have if I hadn’t noticed them and slowed down.
TzarKazm@reddit
If the police want to pull you over, they will find a reason. "You signaled too late, you signaled too soon, you crossed some line somewhere, the back of your car is on fire" there is always something.
joeingo@reddit
I got pulled over for "sight and sound" once about 15 years ago. This translated to I was driving a piece of shit car in a rich neighborhood and he thought I was someone other than a nerdy white teenager. Dude walked up to the window, saw me, un-tensed, said "I pulled you over for sight and sound", proceed to walk around my car inspecting it, told me I had a license plate bulb out (there were 2, one was out, the plate was still lit), and sent me on my way.
Cops don't even need an excuse to pull you over other than they think you might be "undesirable".
krins12@reddit
I got pulled over for the opposite… recently bought a new car and a cop pulled me over and his first question was an accusatory “ is this your vehicle?”
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
Lol this is like the south park where the cops realize Michael Jackson looks white, when they thought they were framing a black man
Macgyver452@reddit
I've been pulled over for "weaving within the lane" ...I was not weaving whatsoever. The cop was either bored or thought he could find something. After he took my info and license, he made me wait for 15-20 minutes while he sat in his car. When he came back, he only said "have a nice day". It was the most bizarre encounter I've had.
informal_bukkake@reddit
I mean a cop can literally pull you over for following the law.
digistil@reddit
TBF, following the law is pretty suspicious.
mynameisnick4@reddit
If someone is following the speed limit on some of the roads around here it actually would be suspicious haha
Kalel100711@reddit
I have friends that say they got pulled over while driving normal/the exact speed limit because it was "suspicious" they were trying to avoid police trouble.
Random_Introvert_42@reddit
Oh wow, the US is starting to get sensible driving laws!
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit (OP)
Yea... my old college roommate would scroll tiktok while driving...
And apparently it wasn't technically illegal...
Random_Introvert_42@reddit
I remember reading something about the US outlawing texting while driving TRAINS nationwide after a severe accident. It remained legal for cars though, which seemed...backwards.
dnyank1@reddit
US motor vehicle laws aren't applied nationally. State law determines what cars are allowed on the road, who is allowed to drive them, how, and why. That means there's 50 sets of legislation to change.
I will say that places like New York have had anti-texting laws on the books for 15+ years, and hands-free phone for 25.
2001, those laws first cropped up. It's wild there's not a uniform application of those rules a quarter century later, but that's just american politics for you.
Backwards is right - half the country would rather, well.... you can witness. Sorry on their behalf.
m0viestar@reddit
That will amount to nothing. It's been illegal to do this same thing here in CO and it's been enforced exactly 0 times.
MotorcycleCar@reddit
I just drove through PA on a roadtrip and saw several people using their phone while driving.
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
Cool story bro. That is happening literally everywhere.
J_NonServiam@reddit
These laws are always interesting in how they handle carve-outs for mounted devices.
Would you still get a ticket for changing the song at a light on a mounted device? What if that device was linked with car play/AA and you were changing the song in the infotainment? Does it become your word against the officers if you weren't in your device at all but actually adjusting ac settings?
Curious to see how this all plays out. I'm in favor of some sort of deterrent based on the amount of people texting and driving or sitting at a green light for 10+ seconds, just seems like the nitty gritty might get complicated (or abused by LEOs).
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
That's the entire problem with the way this law is written. It bans "more than one touch" using a mounted phone specifically to make calls or receive them, which is not something a cop can determine in 99% of angles relative to the driver. Or tell if it's a phone call attempt in progress vs changing music and navigation, which the law DOES allow.
It's very easy to determine if someone is handholding a phone or being a total dumbass staring down in their lap at one. It's not to make these very, very specific determinations of screen use on a mounted phone, and to pretend that is somehow more distracting and dangerous than all the now ubiquitous touch screen displays in all cars.
So you're allowed to literally dig through touch screen menus for minutes at a time if it's built into the car, never looking at the road, but the cops can declare people in older cars with mounted phones were making or receiving phone calls as a pretense for a ticket even though that hypothetically took far less screen taps and time than the legal act of mindlessly wandering through all the menus and apps in a built in display.
TorchedUserID@reddit
I had a desk in the passenger seat of my car and had a laptop open on it while driving (just like police cars do). I always assumed that since a laptop wasn't a "handheld device" that is wasn't illegal.
Supersize_You@reddit
Good — if I had a dollar every time I missed a light because someone bum decided to browse OF at a red light, I’d own two homes by now
daveinthegutter@reddit
So now police are also saddled with this monstrous disaster of a law. When will radios be outlawed, no more window levers or turn signals or climate controls but phones is the line
Terryknowsbest@reddit
Lol the US really lives in the stone ages - this has been law in Canada and Australia for decades.
Your response reminds me of the reaction people had when drinking and driving became illegal. Edit, here's the clip: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/10vc5jt/people_in_the_80s_react_to_new_laws_against/
RandomGenName1234@reddit
This is only a good thing.
UnKnOwN769@reddit
The intentions of this bill mean well, but the campaign for it began at a time when we all were still getting used to phones and all of our cars had buttons in them.
I will always use my phone to change music and navigate, instead of dealing with the carplay/infotainment in my car.
I have been much more careful with my phone ever since it came into effect a few weeks ago though.
JonFrost@reddit
But what about maps?
Electronic_Algae5426@reddit
Good. All phones should be inaccesible after 25 mph.
Relevant_Computer642@reddit
I had assumed that was already the case almost everywhere.
NCSUGrad2012@reddit
North Carolina you can still hold the phone when talking
zeno0771@reddit
In North Carolina it's not illegal to have a brake light out either, but you can still be pulled over for it simply because the cop thought it was illegal.
dieselmac@reddit
So is CarPlay illegal?
Dempseylicious23@reddit
Is your car’s touchscreen a hand-held device?
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit (OP)
No, this is just for handheld devices.
jvalldejulidev7@reddit
Amazing. They found a way to make bumper to bumper traffic even more excruciating.
ThrowthisawayPA@reddit
When will they ban smoking in cars?
NCSUGrad2012@reddit
Why would they? It’s gross but it’s your car, if you want to destroy it, it’s yours to destroy
ThrowthisawayPA@reddit
They want to cut down on distracted drivers. Ban that as well I say.
DonkeyFuel@reddit
Good. People need to stop touching their phones while driving.
Tuxedo_Muffin@reddit
So hands-free and voice is allowed? That's fine, then. A cheap phone mount with voice activation would put you in compliance with the law.
oops_im_not_wrong@reddit
As long as hands free is allowed. I usually start my show before I put it in drive so I can watch it on the way to work
Tuxedo_Muffin@reddit
Uhh... I'm really hoping you mean a podcast or some other audio show. Don't take your eyes off the road, people!
ShadowNick@reddit
"What the fuck I watch movies with my phone on my infotainment system. Why take my rights away."
macgirthy@reddit
Man i used my phone at the light with a cop to the right of me like on the right of the intersection. I was in my motorcycle, pulled my phone out to change playlist while the light was red. Only noticed after i was done. I pretended i didnt see them and got the green light and rode away.
Got lucky, not doing that again. Or at least pulling to side to do it. Phone is zipped up in my jacket.
Equivalent-Taste6053@reddit
This makes no sense, cars have android auto and apple carplay, with built in dictation text response.... you can get searched for texts and a fine for this? Seems overreaching. They should pull people over for bad driving, not fishing expeditions.
PeregrinsFolly@reddit
No, you just can’t use the phone in your hand. Hands free operation is fine.
The_Violent_Phlegms@reddit
Good luck enforcing that
TrumpsMoralCompass@reddit
Have you ever been in a Jersey Traffic court? I’ve only been for speeding, but you have to sit through a 100 people trying to get the points reduced for using their phone while driving. And you only even get points if it’s your minimum third offense within 10 years. They enforce it a lot, but it’s never ending. We’ll have majority autonomous vehicles before that paradigm ever changes.
DJMagicHandz@reddit
Good.