HPA and SHORT Act ruled noncompliant with BYRD
Posted by Topdogedon@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 140 comments
Posted by Topdogedon@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 140 comments
ArceusTwoFour_Zero@reddit
My expectations were low but holy fuck
GildSkiss@reddit
Lol, if they gets this close to actual reform, and then gives up right before the goal line it'll be the most embarrassing gun rights failure of my lifetime.
The last remaining microscopic thread of my faith in congressional Republicans will be totally gone.
jcozac@reddit
The Parliamentarian is a democrat, she gets to decide right now. JD could overturn it from what I've read, but it's not a power that's been wielded in 50 years
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
Lindsey Graham replied to a reporter's question that he does not want to overrule the parliamentarian, Elizabeth McDonough. Her office number is 202-224-1299.
Lindsey Graham's office is 202-224-5972.
Call John thune at 202-224-2321.
Call the Senate switchboard at 202-224-3121 to get transferred to your senior and Junior senators' offices
Provia100F@reddit
I called John Thune and the VP. First time I've ever called anyone in government.
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
I only called a few times over the years until I called about 6 in the House a few weeks ago. I called Thune and Graham today Graham number is 202-224-5972.
Elizabeth Macdonough office number 202-224-1299 is just disconnecting all calls.
What is the best number for JD Vance? I only found Whitehouse Comment Line and his prior Congressional number online.
crash______says@reddit
Lindsey Graham doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks, my friend.
thereddaikon@reddit
Tell him if he doesn't do, he get loaded in the B-2 next time instead of a bomb.
crash______says@reddit
I would ~~never~~ endorse ~~threats of~~ violence against politicians.
thereddaikon@reddit
It's only violent to Iran.
crash______says@reddit
Decapitating the leadership of Iran would be a great gift to the entire world, but most of all, maybe, the Iranian people.
UpvoteMagnet99@reddit
He sure cares about what people think or he would have came out of the closet years ago.
gravehunterzero@reddit
Hard to hear your constituents when you're so deep in the closet you're in Israel.
garden_speech@reddit
It's a precedent nobody wants to touch because of the implications. The Parliamentarian kind of gives some stability to budget reconciliation bills and prevents policy from being implemented in such bills. I think both parties would rather have an overzealous parliamentarian, than have one who's a yes man. Overruling the parliamentarian is scary because, it breaks 50 years of precedent and basically signals "hey, next time you guys get the majority back, go ahead and fire the parliamentarian, install whoever you want, and put whatever you want in a reconciliation bill"
DrunkenArmadillo@reddit
Well, the parliamentarian overruled almost 100 years of precedent, including Supreme Court cases. It's pretty clear she is just playing Calvinball.
garden_speech@reddit
The parliamentarian rules on a very subjective set of criteria, which does not include a line as simple as "it's tax law", which is why this is hard to fight. It's about some weirdly vague line involving whether or not the policy impacts are the main "goal" of the item and budgetary impacts are merely incidental. So basically she's not just deciding if it's tax law, which is inarguably is, she's deciding if the removal of suppressors from the HPA is actually just about the budget, or if it's really a policy goal that's being accomplished that just happens to have a budget impact.
So the two things can be correct at the same time: it's tax law, and it's a policy goal. Don't shoot the messenger here, I still think this is the wrong decision she made, but she's not butting up against SCOTUS precedent.
EstablishmentFull797@reddit
The problem isn’t the parliamentarian, it’s that the sponsors that can’t be bothered to introduce this pro-gun legislation outside of trying to cram it into a convoluted spending bill, even though they have a majority.
The parliamentarian is just doing her job to make sure that Congress is playing by their own rules. The Biden administration also ran into issues passing pet project legislation on a similar basis.
wingsnut25@reddit
Weren't these bills already introduced outside of the spending bill?
The issue is outside of the Spending Bill it would take 60 votes in the Senate for the Bill to pass. Inside of the spending bill it would only require 51 votes.
EstablishmentFull797@reddit
“ The issue is outside of the Spending Bill it would take 60 votes in the Senate for the Bill to pass. Inside of the spending bill it would only require 51 votes.”
That’s a feature not a glitch. Spending bills aren’t supposed to be a means to make major changes in law or policy. It’s one of the few remaining safeguards against the development of an even worse level of pork barrel spending and lack of transparency and accountability.
DrunkenArmadillo@reddit
Yes, but since the justification for the NFA, confirmed by SCOTUS, was that it was merely a revenue measure, and that the registration provisions were solely necessary to ensure that the taxes in it were paid, then it should be fair game to modify it in a budget bill. Stripping suppressors and concealable long arms should have a net effect of reducing the deficit, since the administrative costs of the tax policy are higher than the revenues it generates.
wingsnut25@reddit
My point was the bill was already introduced outside the spending bill- you had stated:
dirtysock47@reddit
This can easily be fixed by getting rid of the filibuster.
It's not like Democrats haven't said they wanted to get rid of it anyways.
Cdwollan@reddit
Nobody actually wants to get rid of the filibuster
pahnzoh@reddit
The filibuster shouldn't apply to REPEAL of laws would be a good policy change.
Especially REPEAL of laws that arguably (in reality do) infringe on constitional rights.
Nicktune1219@reddit
Right but that’s how our system works nowadays. Nobody can agree on anything so every piece of legislation is stuffed into a spending bill.
Broccoli_Pug@reddit
It would take 60 votes in the Senate to override the filibuster and I guarantee there would be zero Democrats joining in favor of the bill.
Reciprocity2209@reddit
The NFA was ruled a tax by the Supreme Court, the Byrd Rule does not apply to taxes. The parliamentarian is playing politics here.
kilroy-was-here-2543@reddit
They’re putting it in the spending bill because they think it’ll get slipped in. Bold move that starting to look like a complete failure
EstablishmentFull797@reddit
Fast forward to them crying for more campaign donations from pro-gun folks and saying “they tried”
kilroy-was-here-2543@reddit
Oh you know it. Wouldn’t surprise me if theirs quite a few that supported it just to make themselves look better even though they knew it would fail
ChainringCalf@reddit
She's also right. I'd love to see these provisions pass as separate bills, but they don't belong in this garbage budget bill.
AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit
You don't want him to. That's a "Nuclear" option and invites retaliation when, not if, the Ds retake things.
Remember when the Democrats went nuclear on federal judges? The Rs turned around and did it for SCOTUS.
wingsnut25@reddit
If they were to do that, there would be nothing Stopping A Democrat Senate and President in the future reintroducing a tax on Suppressors and SBR's. It could also be a lot higher then $200.
AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit
Or adding other items to it like standard capacity mags or "salt weapons"
WhoNoseMarchand@reddit
I bought a can a week after I heard they were going to remove silencers from the NFA. That's how much faith I had in our government.
garden_speech@reddit
This isn't a thing Republicans can change without overriding the parliamentarian which hasn't been done in literally half a century or firing her and replacing her with someone who will rule differently... Both things they're definitely not going to want to do because they set precedents that are scary to the senators lol
GildSkiss@reddit
Funny how every time they're about to do their job, some extenuating circumstance will pop up that prevents them.
"Whoopsie, sorry guys, wasn't the right time. Not our fault, have to follow the precedent. Out of our hands really. We tried though! Please vote for us again next time, pinky promise I'll try harder then"
garden_speech@reddit
I get people are mad but this isn't an extenuating circumstance and a lot of the Republicans warned this would happen from the very beginning (which is why they just wanted to try the $200 -> $0 change).
This exact same shit happened to Biden's reconciliation bills, there was stuff in there which did impact the budget but was also policy goals, stuff about immigration, etc, and MacDonough stripped it all out. The whole point of Byrd is to avoid letting budget reconciliation bills become "put whatever you want in here and just make sure it somehow impacts the budget and then it's fine".
drteq@reddit
It's almost like they pretend to solve a problem without understanding the existing laws that are in place.
wingsnut25@reddit
The problem is there was a reasonable argument that this was a tax, and did belong in the spending. The Parliamentarian wouldn't have been wrong to leave it in place.
This was the best shot at getting it through. Republicans have 53 seats in the Senate. It would require 7 Democrat/Independent Senators to Agree to the HPA/SA if they were stand alone bills. That's not going to happen....
boostedb1mmer@reddit
Exactly how important has precedence been this administration? They have made it perfectly clear if they want to do something they will just do it, in regards to nearly every aspect of governing. This was never going to pass because they don't want it to. It was always designed as a bargaining chip to just give away.
garden_speech@reddit
"Nearly" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, and overriding this precedent involves not just Trump. I think if it were Trump alone who could do this then sure, he'd probably say fuck the parliamentarian, whatever. But it would have to be Vance and the rest of Republicans.
corporalgrif@reddit
I mean they did so the best they can without the 60 vote majority they need to destroy it.
I don't think we want JD Vance to veto this decision that could create a dangerous precedent in the future.
GildSkiss@reddit
Lmao so my rights will still be violated and innocent men will still go to prison, but at least the Senate will still have their precious precedent. Congrats to them.
corporalgrif@reddit
It's not fucking worth it, Republicans aren't going to hold power forever and when the pendulum shifts we don't want democrats using this same shit to make things worse for us.
Put it this way, leave it the way it is now we don't have to worry about them using the parliamentary to retaliate against us later.
Decide to overwrite it they will now see it as valid to use this as another way to grab for power when they take over.
It also is just a bad look to exert power over a democratic process, we don't need to give these people any more reasons to hold "no kings protests"
wingsnut25@reddit
To add to your point- Something that a lot of people here don't seem to understand:
If the Republicans were to override the Parliamentarian. There is nothing stopping a Democrat President with a Democrat controlled Senate from Reinstating the Tax.
Oh and they could reinstate at any amount they wanted. $200 is relatively inexpensive now, $200 adjusted for inflation from the 1930's would be the almost $4,000 today. There would be nothing stopping them from reinstating a tax of $5,000 or $10,000 if they wanted to.
corporalgrif@reddit
That was actually exactly what I was thinking after I said this to be honest, the NFA would still exist after this so it could still be fucked with in the future.
Sadly some people are too short sighted and don't realize what could be reprieve today could be the rope they use to hang you in the future
1Shadowgato@reddit
It’s too late for that, with all the executive orders signed to do illegal shit like disbanding departments that were created by Congress, then having people being kidnap in the middle of the day by masked people. Gun owners will pay for this in the form of the ATF and LE being weaponized against us and courts being ignored and EOs being signed to restrict firearm and ammo ownership.
The_Mortadella_Spits@reddit
You still think there are two parties? Interesting.
GildSkiss@reddit
One lady from the parliamentarian's office overriding the will of a majority of my elected representatives sounds more like exerting power over the democratic process.
Regardless, it's extremely frustrating to me that these people will use absolutely any mind gymnastic excuse to give themselves more power, but when it comes time to give any of it back, all of a sudden it's: "uh oh, sorry, gotta play by our made up rules, can't do it this time"
Rdubya291@reddit
lol, nothing ever happens.
/s
singlemale4cats@reddit
Join us, my friend. We don't hold grudges.
Cdwollan@reddit
Because it was done with shenanigans on a budget bill.
tonguejack-a-shitbox@reddit
I hate to be the bearer of bad news. We were already laughing at you for thinking it was going to happen.
MapleSurpy@reddit
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Republicans never wanted it to pass. They added it it in there so they could use it as trade bait.
It was too much, too fast. They should have left HPA in there, it had a higher chance of passing on it's own, then do SHORT in a year or so.
It's all a show, sadly. They do the same shit every time. Tease us with something that may pass, then add WAY too much in and go "Oh no! It didn't pass! Those damn democrats hate you!" but they keep all of the stuff that fills their pockets.
Somterink@reddit
LOL you still haven't realized you need a few billion dollars before Republicans care about you? Holy shit dude you gotta wake the fuck up.
xj98jeep@reddit
I applaud your optimism, but yes. Yes I will.
santar0s80@reddit
I think we all know at first sign of resistance SHORT and HPA are getting tossed like a used rubber. Republicans protect gun rights like Democrats protected abortion rights. Talk a big game and then do nothing about it. If they actually did the things they said they were going to do they would have no rallying points to campaign on.
I sincerely hope I am wrong.
imapeacockdangit@reddit
You managed to hold on after being forced to GIVE UP your bump stock out of nowhere and are gonna lose it over "what" now? Both parties hate you, Boss.
1Shadowgato@reddit
Honestly, it doesn’t matter, they are still going to get reelected and majority of people here will still give them a vote even though they never deliver what they promised.
The_Mortadella_Spits@reddit
Faith in elected officials? You do you. Wild stuff
doogles@reddit
Yeah, because these morons don't understand how to write or pass legislation. It's been decades since they've passed a budget on time and even longer since it was even remotely balanced.
ThurmanMurman907@reddit
lmao how did you have any faith prior to this point
IrateOpossum@reddit
Why would you have any faith in republicans 😭
GildSkiss@reddit
Hey, I did say microscopic
Spiritual_Ad_6064@reddit
I mean, I'm from the future so how could you know what I know, but yeah you're on the verge of a great epiphany about our representatives.
deformedcactus@reddit
Look, totally in favor of repealing the NFA, but Byrd exists for a reason and this is absolutely a contravention of that.
Gun rights shouldn’t be a political hostage to force through a COMPLETELY UNRELATED spending bill that is more about “owning the libs” then securing the future of this country.
Convenient how so many people cry that Dems can’t pack the courts and stand with the parliamentarian on that, but the second that it plays against them she’s a partisan hack.
Can’t understand why we have such shitty leadership in this country, definitely couldn’t be shitty voters.
Put_It_All_On_Eclk@reddit
Yeah so, about that.
The Byrd rule restrains changes to non-revenue statute. NFA stamps are revenue statute. How is it a 'absolutely a contravention of that'?
intelw1zard@reddit
I've always been of the opinion that rider or "pork" bills were absolute dog shit to begin with and just a way for politicians to play their sneaky politricks games.
Like you will see a bill about a saving turtles but then someone crams something about firearms or abortion into it.
That's pretty fucked up, sneaky, and seemingly a way they all work together to pass things that normally wouldnt pass.
dr_detonate@reddit
The NFA was literally and successfully argued as a tax in multiple court cases.
ChainringCalf@reddit
The NFA is a tax and a registration and a background check. It seems totally reasonable to rule that only the tax part can be part of a budget bill. I'd love to see the full text of the HPA and SHORT to pass as separate bills, but they don't belong here.
Throwaway74829947@reddit
Consider the precedent this would set, though. If NFA taxes can be changed with a simple majority, there would be nothing to stop a congress of a different color from arbitrarily raising NFA taxes to $1000. If removing items from the NFA completely is permitted under Byrd, they could presumably use a simple majority to add so-called "assault weapons" or handguns to the NFA.
DBDude@reddit
I’m disappointed about the ruling for my reasons, but even more so because the parliamentarian is being partisan and ideological, while the position is generally respected for not being partisan and ideological. It’s a sad loss to an important part of the institution.
It’s known that Democrats are willing to violate any principles when guns are involved, but I thought the parliamentarian was immune. The NFA was passed as a tax and upheld at the Supreme Court because it was a tax. Now it’s suddenly not a tax because the parliamentarian went partisan, because guns.
GildSkiss@reddit
Well yeah, obviously the NFA isn't really about taxes and budgets, that's just a paper thin disguise
But hey, did you notice that everyone is totally happy to play along with the fiction when it's time to pass the law, and uphold it in court? But as soon as it's time to give some power back, suddenly it's all "um actually well technically"
Reciprocity2209@reddit
The NFA was ruled a tax by the Supreme Court, the Byrd Rule does not apply to taxes. The parliamentarian is playing politics here.
Any-Can-6776@reddit
So no sbr sbs and suppressors removal from nfa?
akbuilderthrowaway@reddit
The 200 dollar tax might be set to zero, but you'll still need to fill out your zero dollar tax form to get your zero dollar tax stamp required by your definitely a tax law.
Absurdity.
DocMettey@reddit
Looks like that’ll be the case
Any-Can-6776@reddit
Yup
iloveyoudoctorzaius1@reddit
Yup
DutchGoFast@reddit
So we lost our carrot for the large tax cuts for Elon and Trump…… are we still happy with the bill?
ChromeFlesh@reddit
where we ever? Sale of public land, tax cuts for billions, cuts to medicare and medicaid, an massive increase in the deficit, I love the HPA and SHORT acts but this other shit was such bullshit it was like putting a cherry on a piece of shit and telling me it was a chocolate sunday
IHeartSm3gma@reddit
Don’t give a shit about the land, none of it near my state. This was the only good thing in the bill
MrFauncy@reddit
I wish we had public land in Texas. What’s the point of “freedom” if I can’t go off the side of the road to hunt and camp?
IHeartSm3gma@reddit
Idk, buy your own property like an adult?
MrFauncy@reddit
Yes because it’s reasonable and realistic to buy plenty of acres in today’s economy. Get the fuck outta here
ChromeFlesh@reddit
this is literally the worst mindset to have, that land is preserved for our children so they can hunt, fish, camp, and explore the wild. That land is preserved so that native species have places to live far from humans. That land is preserved so that there are still clean places in this world where we can get away from the hustle and bustle of the daily grind. Even if you personally don't use it millions of Americans do every year, I'd recommend you try and make a trip out to some of the land out west, its gorgeous, scenic over looks, beautiful lakes, pristine forests, all kept in trust for future generation.
IHeartSm3gma@reddit
So all of a sudden we’re in favor of the government owning and being in charge of shit?
By the way, less than .5% of the total land is what would’ve been up for sale.
ChromeFlesh@reddit
Yeah preservation is one of the things the government does quite well
GreenRey@reddit
Couldn't have put it better. This shouldn't have been the way to get suppressors and SBRs off the NFA. They were basically used as a bargaining tool to show compromise.
Ttylery@reddit
I thought the sale of public lands was removed a few days ago?
ChromeFlesh@reddit
only some of it not all of it but the headlines were shit
ChaosRainbow23@reddit
This isn't even a little bit surprising.
The-Avant-Gardeners@reddit
I did this, sorry guys. I ordered a can last night…
irsh_@reddit
Congress is almost totally useless at this point.
MrFartyStink@reddit
If the repubs have majority instead of adding it to this bill why not make them their own bills and pass them thru that way without dealing with this stuff??
generalraptor2002@reddit
The best they could do at this point is reduce the tax from $200 to $1
AN_TY@reddit
We don’t give a rats left testicle if they generate revenue. It’s an unconstitutional restriction, period.
generalraptor2002@reddit
Please don’t shoot the messenger
The Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the NFA was constitutional in the 1939 case U.S. v. Miller
The reason the HPA and SHORT act failed the Byrd Bath was because eliminating SBR, SBS, Suppressors, and AOW from the purview of the NFA is not budgetary, it is regulatory. Reducing the tax is budgetary.
erdricksarmor@reddit
The SCOTUS gets things wrong all the time, and that precedent could easily get overturned if a new case makes it before a court which isn't as corrupt as the one of FDR's day.
generalraptor2002@reddit
I’ve done second amendment civil litigation twice myself
It’ll cost you anywhere between $275 and $600 and hour depending on who your lawyer is
If you want to be the one to bring the case then be my guest
erdricksarmor@reddit
Yes, it would take a large well-funded gun rights group to support a lawsuit like that. If only we had one of those...
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
I'm not sure the prior person is saying this is the court that would actually overturn the precedence. The current court already said they're not going to hear an AWB case for another year or two and they said nothing about the magazine ban case that they decided they would not hear. We need to replace some of the justices, including some of the Republican appointed justices, to have any chance of winning much more than we have already. One problem is the two justices most likely to step down or pass away or Alito and Thomas. I think it might take two more consecutive terms of a pro 2A President to turn over the makeup of the Supreme Court enough for them to have any interest in any NFA related cases.
A_Bewildered_Owl@reddit
your opinion on the correctness of the decision is irrelevant. this is how the US government works, if you don't like that then overthrow the government and make one that works the way you want it to.
erdricksarmor@reddit
I realize that what the SCOTUS says has more sway than I do, even if they're wrong. You're not telling me anything new.
LiberalLamps@reddit
You are assuming the logic of the parliamentarian is correct and it is not. The NFA is only constitutional because it is a tax and nothing other than a tax.
The NFA registry is not a gun registry, it is a registry of having paid the tax and received a tax stamp. Right now we are in a situation where if you challenge the NFA in court it is upheld as a tax, but if you try and repeal it through Congress they say it is not a tax.
It cannot be both. The parliamentarian is wrong and is ignoring the Supreme Court decision declaring the NFA only a tax.
EvilTribble@reddit
I also hate the hypocrisy of government, but this is literally how everything in government works. Everything exists in a quantum state of whatever determination protects the interests of powerful people. 60 vote majority itself is just some bullshit the senate put in to make itself useless for reforms, you won't find it in the constitution.
crash______says@reddit
You're not the messenger here, you're proposing a compromise and a terrible one.
garden_speech@reddit
Yes, but:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller
Miller didn't even show up, defense council didn't show up, it was a case that effectively wasn't even argued.
VanillaIce315@reddit
You will get downvoted for speaking facts. I wanna see NFA eliminated as much as the next guy, but the NFA was passed as a lawful act of Congress. And thinking items could be removed in a budgetary bill was a pipe dream anyways. HPA and SHORT was just a distraction from the dozen ways the bill would otherwise fuck us and limit our freedoms even more.
generalraptor2002@reddit
This happens to me all the time
People don’t want to hear facts they don’t want to hear
unclefisty@reddit
Which either needs to be addressed through a court challenge or a bill specifically addressing it. Not through budget reconciliation.
Good luck getting the GOP to actually do that though.
BeenisHat@reddit
Learn to take the little wins when we can get them. Because not being grateful and turning around and shitting on representatives who were willing to help, ends up making them not care about us.
If we can get the tax reduced, that's a win. It's not THE win, but it's something.
IHeartSm3gma@reddit
The fuck are you being downvoted for?
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
I'm tired of settling for less or accepting nothing.
BlairMountainGunClub@reddit
I'm SHOCKED, I say shocked that they took these out. Almost as if all politicians are sellouts. Also, fuck Mike Lee and his land grab bill which is still in there.
Any-Can-6776@reddit
And it was stripped
MacGuffinRoyale@reddit
I loathe this nonpartisan referee making all these Byrd determinations.
LiberalLamps@reddit
Time to call your Senators.
The NFA is the only thing in the entire bill that has a Supreme Court decision that says it is a tax and nothing more than a tax.
The parliamentarian is clearly a partisan hack, and needs to be immediately fired and overruled.
WarlockEngineer@reddit
You know the parliamentarian is the reason the selling of public land was blocked?
Fire them over this and we're going to lose a lot more than we gain.
LiberalLamps@reddit
Senate Majority Leader Thune: Phone: (202) 224-2321
Senate Switchboard (to get your Senator): (202) 224-3121
Old_MI_Runner@reddit
I would add Senator Lindsey Graham who replied to a reporter that he did not want to override the parliamentarian. Lindsey Graham's office number is 202-224-5972.
The parliamentarian's name is Elizabeth McDonough. Her office number is 202-224-1299.
caucafinousvehicle@reddit
Fuck him!
QuantumWannabe@reddit
Remind Graham the he owes Trump a favor for bombing Iran.
JohnDLG@reddit
The Vice President in his role as President of the Senate can overrule the Parliamentarian. Reach out to Vance and ask that he do so.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
SkinnyStock@reddit
Vance wont do shit lol
iron-while-wearing@reddit
JD wants to be president and is not going to risk "white man massacres 25 children with a silencer, JD Vance made it possible" headlines.
No Republican will declare publicly for NFA items, this only got this far because GOA worked to sneak it in quietly.
kribg@reddit
This is my shocked face.
pahnzoh@reddit
Such bullshit. Who gives a fuck about the Byrd rule when we're talking about REPEAL of unconstitutional laws.
R_Shackleford@reddit
Is anyone somehow surprised by this?
cqb-luigi@reddit
Can the government ever do just one thing right?
sirbassist83@reddit
Not if it's good for the people
WiseDirt@reddit
Can they? Sure. Will they? Probably not.
Disastrous_Recipe208@reddit
Republicans love losing, but let’s be honest it’s on purpose
Joey_Skylynx@reddit
oh look another reason to never vote.
heavilyarmeddad@reddit
Yeah, I hate to be a doomer but if this doesn’t pass I give up on voting for good. Tired of a big nothing burger on a string as we run on the political tread mill trying to catch it.
coulsen1701@reddit
JD is the President of the senate and can ignore her. Ms. Lindsey and the rest of the dipshits in the senate don’t want to rock the boat but the administration doesn’t give a shit about “the way things are done” because they know they were elected because we’re all sick of the shitty ways things are done. We need to be lobbying Vance to throw her recommendations out.
AtomicPhantomBlack@reddit
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
nukey18mon@reddit
https://www.budget.senate.gov/ranking-member/newsroom/press/more-provisions-violate-byrd-rule-in-republicans-one-big-beautiful-bill
Real source for the curious
HeughJanus@reddit
its so fuckin joever