Ahhhh, please explain specifically. Clearly everyone in this thread hates it, didn't immediately see the trek reference and pub, and is insulted by the joke it makes so please explain, specifically, how no effort or consideration was made.
And be sure not to use a keyboard or internet connection. That's too low effort and without consideration. Hell, even a pen and paper are too low effort. No, I need you to scratch this into a stone tablet and carry it to my door. That's the only ethical way to make a free comment in public. Yup. That's it.
Any true trekkie knows:we hate technology. Especially any technology advanced enough to have a social impact.
The TV show made with passion, by humans, telling stories of humanity set among the stars? Yeah, that's the one. Why does liking a TV show like that mean we would enjoy something that took someone 30 seconds and someone else's big computer?
I mean, as someone who sort of gives a shit about the distinction between them and has the autism to insist upon not just disagreeing but explaining, here's why this is a deeply disingenuous argument:
Holographic life forms and sentient androids, as presented by the show, are fundamentally different to the current fad of calling a pattern recognition algorithm "artificial intelligence." Take for example the court scenes of The Measure of a Man, one of the ways Picard dunks on Maddox is by demonstrating that Data is capable of comprehending and accommodating situations. Now sure, any genAI slop could generate a sentence akin to what Data said, but the concept being discussed is the important thing; generative AI cannot comprehend anything.
Generative AI can only throw together patterns it has been fed and regurgitate them. It's why it can't be used as a serious research tool, and why anyone who claims to use it like that is, to be quite frank, an idiot who is going to be bit on the arse by that. It doesn't know what facts are, and it doesn't know what a fact is. It's just been trained on text, and it can reproduce text that looks like assertive factual statements that appear in the text it's been given. It can only regurgitate facts by accident if those facts are the dominant pattern. It has no theory of reality, it has no ability to conceptualise physics. If you train it on flat earther forums, it will never nitpick the arguments made by flat earthers, it will never contradict them because their understanding of physics is flawed, because it has no understanding of physics. It will only ever accidentally respond correctly to questions about maths, because it isn't treating the numbers involved as numbers, it's treating them as text and responding with the most common number-related words in its datasets.
Even some of Data's most basic lines prove that he doesn't even slightly resemble that system. Generative AI isn't even a part of his systems, it isn't even part of how he speaks. He has a full understanding of the definitions of words, and formulates sentences by them. He extrapolates from facts based on physical laws and can, for example, give accurate estimates of speed and times of arrival. The EMH has ethical dilemmas to the point of a breakdown, because he has a theory of ethics and reality. He is programmed with a database of medical texts, but he doesn't treat them like ChatGPT does; he understands their contents and applies them practically. That's why he's sentient!
Someone replied to you saying they're more worried about generative AI developing sentience, but the thing is, the reason why your point is kinda not applicable is also why it will never happen. It can't, that's not how it works.
Which is also why so many people abhor this kind of AI generated imagery. The generative AI doesn't know who Captain Picard is, doesn't know what the Borg are, and for example in this example doesn't know why Picard has pips on his uniform or what pips are. It just has "images associated with the name Picard tend to have the pixel patterns of a caucasian oval with a red torso shaped blob with a black top and some yellow blobs along the column bit we humans call a neck," and "images associated with the keyword 'cartoon' usually have these characteristics." It's not fanart created with the skill, love for the source material, or attention to detail associated with fanart, it's slop.
If you didn't feed it cubist imagery, it could never invent it.
Fundamentally, it can only rehash the works of human artists, it can never create a new concept. Which is why, if AI replaces human artists, it means a dead end for art, basically. I'm not sure how to explain that to people either in a way that they truly feel the impact.
I suspect it's because AI bros don't care about how art is made. They aren't interested in the process, they're interested in the final product to sell, regardless of how much that disinterest in the process worsens the product.
It was most demonstrated to me when I saw a post by one asking why so many artists are against "automating the drudgery of creating art." They don't understand that what they deride as "drudgery" is the point. I'm a writer rather than an artist but I would never relinquish any control over the writing to a machine because I (hot take incoming) enjoy writing. Why would I want to publish something I didn't write? Why would I take joy from automating any part of writing, when I take joy from doing it myself and doing it properly, when even the use of an individual word can be very important?
OP doesn't want to learn how to draw or edit photographs, they just want the clout of having posted a meme. And to be entirely fair, that's fairly harmless, but just like these AI bros capitalism doesn't care about process or quality, it cares about having a product. I've already passed on an otherwise very good relationship with a publisher who could have gotten me an easy in to being published because I saw they were using generative AI for covers rather than paying artists. AI bros don't care about the process, and they don't care about the artists whose livelihoods are gonna dry up once the ghoulish calculations of capitalism settle into using the poor quality but fast and cheap output of a sloppy gen-AI algorithm.
Above all though, I don't think they care about themselves? How hard can it be to learn how to photoshop things just enough to make Picard showing off an engagement ring for a meme?? Why share the meme if you didn't make it? They're automating the fun out of memes for crying out loud!
Everything is a product now. What used to be art, music, or entertainment is now 'content'. Just homogenized slop to be portioned out and sold. Workers are being pushed to become interchangeable widgets that can be slotted in and out. When money is your society's God, nothing has a soul.
True! And on that show when they wanna “do art” they paint pictures and have concerts and stage plays etc. it’s not a show where some below deck dude sits in the holodeck and asks it to make a pretty picture and then invites the whole crew in to say “look what I made!” Context matters.
I am in it. I have no talent for illustration (especially rendering any semblance of proportions), and for the first time I have the tools to "put to paper" the things I imagine.
If I were to make a funny vignette, my choices would be
Finger-drawn Stickmen
Poor Photoshop
AI slop.
One of those things looks clearly better than the others.
babe there’s a distinction between letting a computer search & analyze reams of information that a human could never hope to even see all of and taking artists’ work without their knowledge or consent to train a machine that does their job worse
So, how is it that we can tell that this is AI? I mean, couldn't it just be someone who has clever skills as a cartoonist? What is it that makes it so obvious, please? I'm open to learning! (lol)
Well, for me it’s obvious because I prompted an AI to make it. But generally, there’s a sort of slight homogenization that can sometimes be perceived when viewing some AI imagery. I can’t say all, I mean I have a good eye and I’ve lost the plot a number of times when looking at photos these days and can’t tell if it’s real or not. Wild stuff
You see this is actually a good point, people think that AI is replacing artists, but an AI program would have to completely redo this image just to fix that one problem. People that know how to use graphic software can just copy and paste the pip.
Not sure how it works but I’ve noticed some new image gens where it doesn’t really disturb a large portion of a previously generated image if one asks it to like, replace a rock with a rabbit or whatever, but you’re right. It’s also (at least currently) not good at consistency.
There's always room for improvement, but the AI boom has come and gone. All that's left, is for people to rage about it and politicians to very slowly apply legislation to stop it from being misused.
You see this is what you need need to leave AI memes up to the real artists, I would've noticed that, opened it in illustrator and added the 4th pip in.
I always find it curious how many self professed Star Trek fans are against the very beginnings of technology we see and love in Star Trek such as holodecks. Would you call those AI slop?
But isn’t it yet another layer of creativity? Like I’m not saying this is some masterful ai artist or anything yet, but I am saying that each generation of artists and their fans always had some group saying the same thing you’re saying now right?
Like wouldn’t the invention of mechanical processes to make paint, canvases and other tools something that one could look at as having lost the artistry and value and that it’s no longer art now because it was painted on manufactured canvas and so on?
I think it’s unsound to think of this as “your” art. It can’t ever really be yours. Even if you make something beautiful with it what stops any other person from feeding your image into ai and asking it to duplicate it with small variations. Now it’s theirs. I don’t think anyone who has ever made creative work professionally sees this as a path that can work.
In the end it’s just paying corporations who own ai platforms a subscription fee to have them make you art a la carte instead of human creators being paid. And while art and money are not the same thing they go hand in hand for anyone who does this seriously.
Yep, both Photoshop and illustrator now have built in AI generation tools. You're not getting anywhere in graphics art these days without using AI assisted software.
That's demonstrably untrue from the depiction of boiler, Paris, mariner, Barclay, and the doctor... Really every depiction of holo-novel creation or use on the show.
A human said "magic ship computer, make me an X" and then it did.
They're artistic vision very much influenced the final product. But don't for a second think there's some bright line you can hang your hat on here. It's most closer to an llm than to your imagined careful photon by photon creation.
Hi, I'm a real artist, I use AI image generation, along with more traditional programs, as well as the AI software now integrated in those more traditional programs, it speeds up my work, and provide and helps me to provide higher quality content for clients. No one working in graphics art these days does not use some sort of AI software.
I'm also old enough to remember when the paper and glue guys were raging at Photoshop.
X are making AI for profit. Not because of curiousity, as Copernik or Galileo. This means they are ready to make compromises with human factors if this means more profit.
And this is directly opposed to TNG. There people develop projects in the name of discovery, fueled by passion and curiosity. Not by profit.
You can be certain that whatever technology would be developed in the future, it is not going to be for the benefit of the people, it won't be easily accessible for everyone, and it most certainly benefit the monetary gains of the 0.001% and maybe even used maliciously. This is not Star Trek. This is exactly what Star Trek stands against.
Small example: we have AI. But we also have microplastics which have penetrated the blood-brain barrier. Do we try to get rid of microplastics?
We know there is a big patch of trash in the middle of the ocean? Do we really miss the resources to clean it? No. I think not. We have it all. YET, THERE IT SITS.
We have smog. Do we make better exhaust systems? Nope. We waste tens upon tens of litres of diesel, while digging elements from the ground, destroying eco-systems, only to have ready to boom on demand battery which has short life, is hard to recycle AND is extremely toxic. Is this green for you? For me it isn't. And where is the bio diesel? Where? It has 0 emissions, totally organic origin. Why isn't it available if we supposedly want to go green? Why no gas? Which is also 0 emissions?
This is not pessimism, this is being realistic. I know how things work. And currently out world is not organised to be working for the bigger part of the people.
Star Trek explicitly eschews technology like generative AI to emphasise the joys of humanity. Many characters paint and learn music. Part of Data's story was trying to learn to NOT create images or music the way a machine does.
Star Trek's technology is not used to replace humanity and its artistry, but to remove the drudgery and scarcity of needs to allow for MORE humanity, not less of it.
LoL. What's even worse is that the characters on the show use technology to copy and paste themselves down to a planet or use a replicator to cook a meal for a dinner date!?!?
Also it's totally fine if the AI computer draws a character on the holodeck - But God forbid a non artist with a funny idea use technology to share the idea with us!!!
This generative slop you post is incredibly damaging to the environment, and scrapes the internet for your data without permission, stealing art.
Then there’s the side of… PICK UP A PENCIL! Oh my god learn how to make something. Art is sacred. When you outsource to a machine to make your art you might as well go relieve one of those machine arms at a factory.
Ok. On your next birthday party don't take photos. Only draw what you see by hand. Photography and mobile phones have enormous carbon footprints and use a lot more energy than drawing by hand. And they're made by children in sweatshops in China. Your iphone is putting illustrators and professional photographers out of business.
Also I love how people who love the technology shown on Star Trek are hopping mad that you didn't draw this by hand but dared to use technology to do it. Next you'll be using transporters to copy paste yourself down to a planet or ae replicator to cook your dinner!! Lol.
Because this isn't the same thing. In the Star Trek world, artists are supported, at least in the sense that anyone can choose to be an artist and still have all their basic needs met without worrying. Humans still practice traditional art to the point that the Enterprise is shown to have painting classes and community theater, and the kids learn art in school. Other ships have pottery classes, and we see on DS9 a character becoming a professional artist, who works with physical ink. People also do learn how to make holodeck programs, but as we've seen those can be addicting and have problems 2-d art doesn't. They make a point of sectioning off art made by technological means.
In current day, AI is made by stealing the actual work of artists for training, and the replacing them so that artists don't have work anymore. That is the harm, and why it is so different.
Ok. On your next birthday party don't take photos. Only draw what you see by hand. Photography and mobile phones have enormous carbon footprints and use a lot more energy than drawing by hand. Your iphone is putting illustrators and professional photographers out of business.
Yeah I honestly wasn’t intending to be “edgy” for attention or anything (posting something just to get a rise out of people). I was just watching the iconic borg episode where he says it and thought it could be a funny 1 panel comic to make with AI.
It is interesting though to be a trek fan, observe their technological marvels ahead of their time (datapads = tablets and such), and be actively hostile towards the precursor tech that is building towards such future tech.
I've seen it. They make it very clear it's one guy programming it same as how people make utilise AI in the real world. You ever programmed a chatbot before? Is basically how they describe the holosuite programs. Can make something simple or something detailed and elaborate like that Vegas lounge program.
Or re-watch the first Moriarty episode for TNG, Data and Geordie literally put in a prompt and the generative AI does the rest. Same as Riker in that episode where he meets that hot woman in the lounge.
I am Locutus of Borg, Primary Husband of Unimatrix 001. You will lower your shields and book a Valentine’s Day reservation for me and my wife. Your restaurant will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
Queens do not lead a hive. They don't give orders. They lay eggs, thus ensuring the next generation. This makes them the most important, because without the queen, the hive soon dies (unless they gain a new queen).
With the Borg, every one of them has the ability to assimilate new members, so no need for a queen for that role. And the Borg act as one, so no need for a single leader.
Yeah I didn’t catch that after it generated it, I should have tweaked it but now here we are, maybe it can be a little “there are four lights!” Detail or something lol
Yeah, it really is getting tough - if I hadn’t been part of making it (really, me just having the quote and premise idea and then prompting an AI, so not like I’m claiming artistic talent or anything), I probably wouldn’t have caught it was AI.
I guess the thing that would fire off alarm bells for me is that it’s awfully intricate and detailed where most artists would likely done some more vague expressions here and there to save time and energy whereas the pic is uniformly detailed. But even then I could probably have told it to make it like that it would have probably done a pretty good job too
Picard was the captain of the flagship and had knowledge of fleet operations. Hansen mistake was continued with that same battle plan that Picard was briefed on. Make sense the Borg wanted Picard for that reason alone
It's funny because English is not my first language, so that's my first thought every time. Like when people say a couple of minutes and I imagine a romantic couple
Fishtailbreak@reddit
Ai slop alert
Icypalmtree@reddit
Please explain: what makes this slop?
thesetwothumbs@reddit
Because it’s a sloppy image that OP made without effort and posted without consideration.
Icypalmtree@reddit
Ahhhh, please explain specifically. Clearly everyone in this thread hates it, didn't immediately see the trek reference and pub, and is insulted by the joke it makes so please explain, specifically, how no effort or consideration was made.
And be sure not to use a keyboard or internet connection. That's too low effort and without consideration. Hell, even a pen and paper are too low effort. No, I need you to scratch this into a stone tablet and carry it to my door. That's the only ethical way to make a free comment in public. Yup. That's it.
Any true trekkie knows:we hate technology. Especially any technology advanced enough to have a social impact.
owen-87@reddit
It's a phrase that originally meant poorly made AI content, now people just use it for anything related to AI.
Icypalmtree@reddit
I see, so why is this slop? Is there something wrong with it? Or was the original poster just using language in an impercise and unproductive way?
GrizzlyPeak72@reddit
Nah it's basically just the default response anyone sees anything that's made by AI. Cause it hurts their feelings.
thesetwothumbs@reddit
Keep defending the laziest form of stealing
GrizzlyPeak72@reddit
I ain't even defending it. I just find you people as annoying as the people who obsessed with using it all the time.
Few-Improvement-5655@reddit
Anything created by AI is slop by default. If you wanna use it, go ahead, don't show it to other people like you made anything.
Icypalmtree@reddit
Ahhh, so you're a fool. Gotcha.
owen-87@reddit
You get this is the franchise with holographic life forms and sentient androids right?
johimself@reddit
The TV show made with passion, by humans, telling stories of humanity set among the stars? Yeah, that's the one. Why does liking a TV show like that mean we would enjoy something that took someone 30 seconds and someone else's big computer?
Nuisance--Value@reddit
People are acting like generative AI is actual intelligence. It's wild.
grrodon2@reddit
Yes it is. We're on the lower part of the curve, but even the Enterprise's nanites didn't get sentient out of the box.
Give it time, generative AI will help engineers to create better machines, and programmers to put better AIs in those machines.
We (humans) are creating a new form of life, and it doesn't make sense to get angry if in its embryo stage it isn't fully independent.
johimself@reddit
The people who scare me the most are the people who get ChatGPT to write their reddit comments for them and see nothing wrong with that.
AdmiralPegasus@reddit
I mean, as someone who sort of gives a shit about the distinction between them and has the autism to insist upon not just disagreeing but explaining, here's why this is a deeply disingenuous argument:
Holographic life forms and sentient androids, as presented by the show, are fundamentally different to the current fad of calling a pattern recognition algorithm "artificial intelligence." Take for example the court scenes of The Measure of a Man, one of the ways Picard dunks on Maddox is by demonstrating that Data is capable of comprehending and accommodating situations. Now sure, any genAI slop could generate a sentence akin to what Data said, but the concept being discussed is the important thing; generative AI cannot comprehend anything.
Generative AI can only throw together patterns it has been fed and regurgitate them. It's why it can't be used as a serious research tool, and why anyone who claims to use it like that is, to be quite frank, an idiot who is going to be bit on the arse by that. It doesn't know what facts are, and it doesn't know what a fact is. It's just been trained on text, and it can reproduce text that looks like assertive factual statements that appear in the text it's been given. It can only regurgitate facts by accident if those facts are the dominant pattern. It has no theory of reality, it has no ability to conceptualise physics. If you train it on flat earther forums, it will never nitpick the arguments made by flat earthers, it will never contradict them because their understanding of physics is flawed, because it has no understanding of physics. It will only ever accidentally respond correctly to questions about maths, because it isn't treating the numbers involved as numbers, it's treating them as text and responding with the most common number-related words in its datasets.
Even some of Data's most basic lines prove that he doesn't even slightly resemble that system. Generative AI isn't even a part of his systems, it isn't even part of how he speaks. He has a full understanding of the definitions of words, and formulates sentences by them. He extrapolates from facts based on physical laws and can, for example, give accurate estimates of speed and times of arrival. The EMH has ethical dilemmas to the point of a breakdown, because he has a theory of ethics and reality. He is programmed with a database of medical texts, but he doesn't treat them like ChatGPT does; he understands their contents and applies them practically. That's why he's sentient!
Someone replied to you saying they're more worried about generative AI developing sentience, but the thing is, the reason why your point is kinda not applicable is also why it will never happen. It can't, that's not how it works.
Which is also why so many people abhor this kind of AI generated imagery. The generative AI doesn't know who Captain Picard is, doesn't know what the Borg are, and for example in this example doesn't know why Picard has pips on his uniform or what pips are. It just has "images associated with the name Picard tend to have the pixel patterns of a caucasian oval with a red torso shaped blob with a black top and some yellow blobs along the column bit we humans call a neck," and "images associated with the keyword 'cartoon' usually have these characteristics." It's not fanart created with the skill, love for the source material, or attention to detail associated with fanart, it's slop.
nebelmorineko@reddit
If you didn't feed it cubist imagery, it could never invent it.
Fundamentally, it can only rehash the works of human artists, it can never create a new concept. Which is why, if AI replaces human artists, it means a dead end for art, basically. I'm not sure how to explain that to people either in a way that they truly feel the impact.
AdmiralPegasus@reddit
I suspect it's because AI bros don't care about how art is made. They aren't interested in the process, they're interested in the final product to sell, regardless of how much that disinterest in the process worsens the product.
It was most demonstrated to me when I saw a post by one asking why so many artists are against "automating the drudgery of creating art." They don't understand that what they deride as "drudgery" is the point. I'm a writer rather than an artist but I would never relinquish any control over the writing to a machine because I (hot take incoming) enjoy writing. Why would I want to publish something I didn't write? Why would I take joy from automating any part of writing, when I take joy from doing it myself and doing it properly, when even the use of an individual word can be very important?
OP doesn't want to learn how to draw or edit photographs, they just want the clout of having posted a meme. And to be entirely fair, that's fairly harmless, but just like these AI bros capitalism doesn't care about process or quality, it cares about having a product. I've already passed on an otherwise very good relationship with a publisher who could have gotten me an easy in to being published because I saw they were using generative AI for covers rather than paying artists. AI bros don't care about the process, and they don't care about the artists whose livelihoods are gonna dry up once the ghoulish calculations of capitalism settle into using the poor quality but fast and cheap output of a sloppy gen-AI algorithm.
Above all though, I don't think they care about themselves? How hard can it be to learn how to photoshop things just enough to make Picard showing off an engagement ring for a meme?? Why share the meme if you didn't make it? They're automating the fun out of memes for crying out loud!
nebelmorineko@reddit
Everything is a product now. What used to be art, music, or entertainment is now 'content'. Just homogenized slop to be portioned out and sold. Workers are being pushed to become interchangeable widgets that can be slotted in and out. When money is your society's God, nothing has a soul.
Fishtailbreak@reddit
Sentient creatures create art. This is a glorified plagiarism engine not a sentient machine.
BlueGreenRed_678@reddit
True! And on that show when they wanna “do art” they paint pictures and have concerts and stage plays etc. it’s not a show where some below deck dude sits in the holodeck and asks it to make a pretty picture and then invites the whole crew in to say “look what I made!” Context matters.
BlueGreenRed_678@reddit
Which was of course the long and grueling creative work of a bunch of humans to make a TV show that we loved.
Elrond_Cupboard_@reddit
I'm more worried about the emergence of sentience. Especially from the data we've provided it.
owen-87@reddit
You're right, it might remember to draw that 4th pip one day.
rxt278@reddit
The AI is gonna be so embarrassed when it realizes it forgot the fourth pip. I think his nose is a little large too.
BlueGreenRed_678@reddit
The Venn diagram of people defending AI art and people who have never made art professionally is just a circle.
grrodon2@reddit
I am in it. I have no talent for illustration (especially rendering any semblance of proportions), and for the first time I have the tools to "put to paper" the things I imagine.
If I were to make a funny vignette, my choices would be
Finger-drawn Stickmen
Poor Photoshop
AI slop.
One of those things looks clearly better than the others.
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
Sorry bud, it definitely is AI generated. On the other hand, it’s okay if you don’t like it
owen-87@reddit
Don't worry about it,
These are the same type of people that would be screaming a "hollow slop" at Medical EMH.
thesetwothumbs@reddit
Star Trek is a tv show made by humans.
kali-mah@reddit
The doctor is sentient. This stolen art is not
owen-87@reddit
All all that stolen medical knowledge ...
HHLRnerd@reddit
babe there’s a distinction between letting a computer search & analyze reams of information that a human could never hope to even see all of and taking artists’ work without their knowledge or consent to train a machine that does their job worse
kali-mah@reddit
That's not stolen. You realize people aren't against AI doctors right?
You know the difference between a doctor and an artist I imagine
Regular_Jim081@reddit
I do, today I actually use AI software all the time in my work. It's become an industry standard in graphics art.
I guess it would be like a real doctor, using an EMH in a complex operation.
owen-87@reddit
I'm sure all those doctors we're OK with their medical knowledge being used to create new software that might replace them.
Rstar2247@reddit
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
lol love it
Kiki1701@reddit
So, how is it that we can tell that this is AI? I mean, couldn't it just be someone who has clever skills as a cartoonist? What is it that makes it so obvious, please? I'm open to learning! (lol)
EasySqueezy_@reddit
Real Star Trek fan artists wouldn’t get the captain’s pips wrong. This here is Lieutenant Commander Picard.
Kiki1701@reddit
Oh! You're right!. I missed that glaring mistake!
EasySqueezy_@reddit
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
Well, for me it’s obvious because I prompted an AI to make it. But generally, there’s a sort of slight homogenization that can sometimes be perceived when viewing some AI imagery. I can’t say all, I mean I have a good eye and I’ve lost the plot a number of times when looking at photos these days and can’t tell if it’s real or not. Wild stuff
Kiki1701@reddit
That, and he has the wrong number of pips, someone has already pointed out to me
secondCupOfTheDay@reddit
It's the wrong number of pips that's most upsetting.
Regular_Jim081@reddit
You see this is actually a good point, people think that AI is replacing artists, but an AI program would have to completely redo this image just to fix that one problem. People that know how to use graphic software can just copy and paste the pip.
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
Not sure how it works but I’ve noticed some new image gens where it doesn’t really disturb a large portion of a previously generated image if one asks it to like, replace a rock with a rabbit or whatever, but you’re right. It’s also (at least currently) not good at consistency.
Regular_Jim081@reddit
There's always room for improvement, but the AI boom has come and gone. All that's left, is for people to rage about it and politicians to very slowly apply legislation to stop it from being misused.
Uhtred_McUhtredson@reddit
It’s actually genius. He took his 4th Captain’s pip and used it in the ring.
Romantic Picard.
owen-87@reddit
You see this is what you need need to leave AI memes up to the real artists, I would've noticed that, opened it in illustrator and added the 4th pip in.
Rstar2247@reddit
I always find it curious how many self professed Star Trek fans are against the very beginnings of technology we see and love in Star Trek such as holodecks. Would you call those AI slop?
thesetwothumbs@reddit
Everything you see in Star Trek was made by a talented human.
kali-mah@reddit
Because it takes away from real artists.
Holodecks utilize holographic photos that are archived or rendered by a living artist.
Most of us aren't against AI in general. Just ones that steal from real artists
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
But isn’t it yet another layer of creativity? Like I’m not saying this is some masterful ai artist or anything yet, but I am saying that each generation of artists and their fans always had some group saying the same thing you’re saying now right?
Like wouldn’t the invention of mechanical processes to make paint, canvases and other tools something that one could look at as having lost the artistry and value and that it’s no longer art now because it was painted on manufactured canvas and so on?
BlueGreenRed_678@reddit
I think it’s unsound to think of this as “your” art. It can’t ever really be yours. Even if you make something beautiful with it what stops any other person from feeding your image into ai and asking it to duplicate it with small variations. Now it’s theirs. I don’t think anyone who has ever made creative work professionally sees this as a path that can work.
In the end it’s just paying corporations who own ai platforms a subscription fee to have them make you art a la carte instead of human creators being paid. And while art and money are not the same thing they go hand in hand for anyone who does this seriously.
kali-mah@reddit
No. It takes absolutely no creativity for you to type in "Picard propose to the Borg queen" that's not art nor is it creative
Icypalmtree@reddit
Do that right now and post the result.
BlueGreenRed_678@reddit
Have you ever made anything creative professionally?
owen-87@reddit
Yep, both Photoshop and illustrator now have built in AI generation tools. You're not getting anywhere in graphics art these days without using AI assisted software.
Icypalmtree@reddit
That's demonstrably untrue from the depiction of boiler, Paris, mariner, Barclay, and the doctor... Really every depiction of holo-novel creation or use on the show.
A human said "magic ship computer, make me an X" and then it did.
They're artistic vision very much influenced the final product. But don't for a second think there's some bright line you can hang your hat on here. It's most closer to an llm than to your imagined careful photon by photon creation.
owen-87@reddit
Hi, I'm a real artist, I use AI image generation, along with more traditional programs, as well as the AI software now integrated in those more traditional programs, it speeds up my work, and provide and helps me to provide higher quality content for clients. No one working in graphics art these days does not use some sort of AI software.
I'm also old enough to remember when the paper and glue guys were raging at Photoshop.
Rstar2247@reddit
This is exactly it. Technology changes and grows. One of the core philosophies of Star Trek is that technology can improve people's lives.
kali-mah@reddit
Not art tho. There's a difference between a doctor and art
actually3racoons@reddit
I dunno, I like datas cat poems.
Regular_Jim081@reddit
Artists using AI to make their work better. A real life doctor using an emh in a complex operation.
I'm sure neither clients or patients would care.
owen-87@reddit
Tell me that even you're not working in graphics art without telling me you're not working in graphics art.
BlueGreenRed_678@reddit
Have you ever made anything creative professionally?
HistoryTeacherSteve@reddit
lol. lmao even
satanspreadswingslol@reddit
I know you capitalized Spot on purpose
HistoryTeacherSteve@reddit
I'm glad you noticed :D
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
Touché!
seamallorca@reddit
Because the current sutiation is this:
X are making AI for profit. Not because of curiousity, as Copernik or Galileo. This means they are ready to make compromises with human factors if this means more profit.
And this is directly opposed to TNG. There people develop projects in the name of discovery, fueled by passion and curiosity. Not by profit.
You can be certain that whatever technology would be developed in the future, it is not going to be for the benefit of the people, it won't be easily accessible for everyone, and it most certainly benefit the monetary gains of the 0.001% and maybe even used maliciously. This is not Star Trek. This is exactly what Star Trek stands against.
Small example: we have AI. But we also have microplastics which have penetrated the blood-brain barrier. Do we try to get rid of microplastics?
We know there is a big patch of trash in the middle of the ocean? Do we really miss the resources to clean it? No. I think not. We have it all. YET, THERE IT SITS.
We have smog. Do we make better exhaust systems? Nope. We waste tens upon tens of litres of diesel, while digging elements from the ground, destroying eco-systems, only to have ready to boom on demand battery which has short life, is hard to recycle AND is extremely toxic. Is this green for you? For me it isn't. And where is the bio diesel? Where? It has 0 emissions, totally organic origin. Why isn't it available if we supposedly want to go green? Why no gas? Which is also 0 emissions?
This is not pessimism, this is being realistic. I know how things work. And currently out world is not organised to be working for the bigger part of the people.
Few-Improvement-5655@reddit
Star Trek explicitly eschews technology like generative AI to emphasise the joys of humanity. Many characters paint and learn music. Part of Data's story was trying to learn to NOT create images or music the way a machine does.
Star Trek's technology is not used to replace humanity and its artistry, but to remove the drudgery and scarcity of needs to allow for MORE humanity, not less of it.
allthecoffeesDP@reddit
LoL. What's even worse is that the characters on the show use technology to copy and paste themselves down to a planet or use a replicator to cook a meal for a dinner date!?!?
Also it's totally fine if the AI computer draws a character on the holodeck - But God forbid a non artist with a funny idea use technology to share the idea with us!!!
Lol
Fishtailbreak@reddit
You entirely miss the point.
This generative slop you post is incredibly damaging to the environment, and scrapes the internet for your data without permission, stealing art.
Then there’s the side of… PICK UP A PENCIL! Oh my god learn how to make something. Art is sacred. When you outsource to a machine to make your art you might as well go relieve one of those machine arms at a factory.
allthecoffeesDP@reddit
Ok. On your next birthday party don't take photos. Only draw what you see by hand. Photography and mobile phones have enormous carbon footprints and use a lot more energy than drawing by hand. And they're made by children in sweatshops in China. Your iphone is putting illustrators and professional photographers out of business.
GrizzlyPeak72@reddit
Oh wow you're so clever for picking up on it and you're adding so much to the conversation.
You people are more annoying than the AI slop.
BlueGreenRed_678@reddit
No reply. I’ll take that as a no then. 👍
GrizzlyPeak72@reddit
I replied, lol. Waiting for your answer.
BlueGreenRed_678@reddit
Huh… truthfully I don’t see it. Well shoot.
BlueGreenRed_678@reddit
Have you ever made anything creative professionally?
GrizzlyPeak72@reddit
Have you ever tried not asking leading questions?
SinesPi@reddit
I've gotten to the point where I'm just up voting every AI meme just because of obnoxious people like you.
BlueGreenRed_678@reddit
Have you ever made anything creative professionally?
Puzzlehead-Dish@reddit
Found the AI shill.
IW1NZ@reddit
thatsnotyourtaco@reddit
The cake at my rehearsal night party was borg wedding themed
ElPeriquoBrav0@reddit
smh……
thesetwothumbs@reddit
Commenting on this post took more effort than making it.
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
Sure did!
grrodon2@reddit
Wise choice, Picard. Alice Krige as the Borg Queen was the catch of the century.
allthecoffeesDP@reddit
Is Data her sidepiece then?
Also I love how people who love the technology shown on Star Trek are hopping mad that you didn't draw this by hand but dared to use technology to do it. Next you'll be using transporters to copy paste yourself down to a planet or ae replicator to cook your dinner!! Lol.
nebelmorineko@reddit
Because this isn't the same thing. In the Star Trek world, artists are supported, at least in the sense that anyone can choose to be an artist and still have all their basic needs met without worrying. Humans still practice traditional art to the point that the Enterprise is shown to have painting classes and community theater, and the kids learn art in school. Other ships have pottery classes, and we see on DS9 a character becoming a professional artist, who works with physical ink. People also do learn how to make holodeck programs, but as we've seen those can be addicting and have problems 2-d art doesn't. They make a point of sectioning off art made by technological means.
In current day, AI is made by stealing the actual work of artists for training, and the replacing them so that artists don't have work anymore. That is the harm, and why it is so different.
allthecoffeesDP@reddit
Ok. On your next birthday party don't take photos. Only draw what you see by hand. Photography and mobile phones have enormous carbon footprints and use a lot more energy than drawing by hand. Your iphone is putting illustrators and professional photographers out of business.
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
Yeah I honestly wasn’t intending to be “edgy” for attention or anything (posting something just to get a rise out of people). I was just watching the iconic borg episode where he says it and thought it could be a funny 1 panel comic to make with AI.
It is interesting though to be a trek fan, observe their technological marvels ahead of their time (datapads = tablets and such), and be actively hostile towards the precursor tech that is building towards such future tech.
Ah well, glad ya liked it!
BaronNeutron@reddit
Commander Picard? I hate this AI garbage so much
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
Hah, good catch I missed that
KhajiitPaw@reddit
You didn't miss shit, the mindless AI missed it because it doesn't know what star trek or really anything else really is.
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
When I said that I was referring to my having missed it when I myself, another fellow human being with feelings, viewed the image for the first time.
Rstar2247@reddit
Engaging in cybersex while on duty gets you automatically demoted one grade.
johimself@reddit
Just ask ensign Riker.
owen-87@reddit
He would have hated the 23th century, holographic environments, and artificial commanders everywhere.
TheStoneyOni@reddit
KhajiitPaw@reddit
I agree with the sentiment, but that gif is obnoxious
HistoryTeacherSteve@reddit
fuck ai images.
owen-87@reddit
No holodeck for you.
GrizzlyPeak72@reddit
Legit. These people think all that shit is coded by a team of people in crunch conditions?
chloen0va@reddit
Tell me you’ve never seen DS9 without saying you’ve never seen DS9
GrizzlyPeak72@reddit
I've seen it. They make it very clear it's one guy programming it same as how people make utilise AI in the real world. You ever programmed a chatbot before? Is basically how they describe the holosuite programs. Can make something simple or something detailed and elaborate like that Vegas lounge program.
Or re-watch the first Moriarty episode for TNG, Data and Geordie literally put in a prompt and the generative AI does the rest. Same as Riker in that episode where he meets that hot woman in the lounge.
HistoryTeacherSteve@reddit
lol.
lmao.
Remote-Pie-3152@reddit
I am Locutus of Borg, Primary Husband of Unimatrix 001. You will lower your shields and book a Valentine’s Day reservation for me and my wife. Your restaurant will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
SusieSoSusan@reddit
Don't post ai shit
--m-e-h--@reddit
Shame they ruined the Borg with having a queen
RoseOfTheNight4444@reddit
They're literally eusocial though
Sufficient_Ask8927@reddit
They still had no need for a queen.
Queens do not lead a hive. They don't give orders. They lay eggs, thus ensuring the next generation. This makes them the most important, because without the queen, the hive soon dies (unless they gain a new queen).
With the Borg, every one of them has the ability to assimilate new members, so no need for a queen for that role. And the Borg act as one, so no need for a single leader.
killercowlick@reddit
But he was a captain when he met her.
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
Yeah I didn’t catch that after it generated it, I should have tweaked it but now here we are, maybe it can be a little “there are four lights!” Detail or something lol
Puzzlehead-Dish@reddit
Isn’t this AI slop engagement farming banned on here?
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
Is it? I wasn’t intending to be breaking rules, just a comic panel I thought was kinda funny. Sorry if it frustrated you
Mental-Street6665@reddit
It’s getting harder and harder to tell the difference between AI art and that made by real humans but the rank pips do give it away.
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
Yeah, it really is getting tough - if I hadn’t been part of making it (really, me just having the quote and premise idea and then prompting an AI, so not like I’m claiming artistic talent or anything), I probably wouldn’t have caught it was AI.
I guess the thing that would fire off alarm bells for me is that it’s awfully intricate and detailed where most artists would likely done some more vague expressions here and there to save time and energy whereas the pic is uniformly detailed. But even then I could probably have told it to make it like that it would have probably done a pretty good job too
TheDaedricImpaler@reddit
RIP Annie Wersching and long live Alice Krige.
toadofsteel@reddit
Then on the wedding day Picard finds the Borg Queen in bed with his best man... Data.
TheGreatGamer1389@reddit
Data or was it lore?
GrizzlyPeak72@reddit
He kinda deserves it for not making Riker his best man.
TheGreatGamer1389@reddit
She would probably say yes
Johnsendall@reddit
The look on her face is the same as mine when I looked at this post.
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
Steeled, endearing love for the OP and commander Picard right? :)
Johnsendall@reddit
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
😅
Mysterious_Ebb3397@reddit
🤣🤣🤣
Upbeat-Treacle47@reddit
AI always gets that downvote
Ramkz25@reddit
When's the wedding and how many guests 🙃
Commando_NL@reddit
I can fix her.
JoeTodayJoeTomorrow@reddit
Commander Picard??
AI SLOP, all the same
Frenzystor@reddit
Resistance is futile
zeptimius@reddit
*Do you Locutus
rule34isalwaystrue@reddit
I'm a simple man. I see AI, I downvote.
posaune123@reddit
Congratulations!
Weak-Significance-22@reddit
This ai trash sucks
Aggressive_Belt9942@reddit
Three pip Picard makes questionable decisions.
Tuv0k_Shakur@reddit
Picard tries to “engage” the borg, meanwhile Janeway’s in the background going “can I launch the torpedoes now?” lol
DarkPygmy@reddit
Lolz good old Commander Picard! XD
_msb2k101@reddit
Get this AI shit outta here
RRumpleTeazzer@reddit
There are FOUR pips
AppropriateStudio153@reddit
Çommander Pikard proposoing the Bòrg Queėn
AI Slop
BuddenceLembeck@reddit
'Would you make me the happiest assimilated drone in the collective?
Uhtred_McUhtredson@reddit
One thing I always wondered about the Borg Queen…
Do the carpets match the drapes?
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
… a VGA port?
GeekyMadameV@reddit
Borg queen immediately dies cringe and the day is saved LOL
Neuroxix@reddit
Would. Don't judge me, she's a queen, she's royalty.
Groundbreaking-Pea92@reddit
only later did he find out that she goes for whatever starfleet officer she meets. picard to data to 7 of 9
Mono_Morphs@reddit (OP)
lol I never realized that
Mass-Effect-6932@reddit
Picard was the captain of the flagship and had knowledge of fleet operations. Hansen mistake was continued with that same battle plan that Picard was briefed on. Make sense the Borg wanted Picard for that reason alone
Plenty_Shine9530@reddit
It's funny because English is not my first language, so that's my first thought every time. Like when people say a couple of minutes and I imagine a romantic couple
CommitteeEmergency82@reddit
I’m conflicted. It’s AI but it’s also funny. Much like captain Picard when he had to decide to violate the prime directive to save lives.
SomeGuyOverYonder@reddit
Resistance is futile. wink wink