America fell for it again award
Posted by Dmitruly@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 343 comments
Posted by Dmitruly@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 343 comments
hairyballsinmybutt@reddit
Hey I need a power outlet replaced in my appartment. Sorry, I can't afford maintenance with the rent cap, so it's not included anymore.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
They still have to include maintenance, legally.
Why are you guys always inventing problems? It's not like you're rich enough to be in this hypothetical landlord position anyways.
jackshiels@reddit
Then they will remove the property from the market or implement 'key' fees. This has been well studied.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
The people living in rent controlled apartments don't have an issue with it, weird.
jackshiels@reddit
That's cool bro but the entire economics body of knowledge disagrees with you. Guess you're not a fan of observable science?
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Yet the housing market in New York hasn't collapsed in the 50 years they've been doing this... weird.
jackshiels@reddit
Res_Novae17@reddit
"OK then. Guess I'll sell the property since I'm now losing money ont it. What's that? No one wants to buy it? Then guess it's cheaper to have an accident burn the building down."
SlayBoredom@reddit
so you would rather pay 200 bucks more rent, MONTHLY; going up YEARLY another 200.- but your landlord replaces your power outlet every time you ask him to do so?
are you dense?
also: why should your landlord not have the money for that if the rent stays the same? xD
jackshiels@reddit
holy crap redditors don't even understand inflation lmao
Ecstatic-Compote-595@reddit
For real, I've lived in my apartment for like 5 years and in that time the amount of maintenance my landlord did on my unit is worth sub $1k. So I'd rather have just paid for that but cut the annual rent hike down $100.
StAUG1211@reddit
Landlord here. If you can't afford to keep the property in a livable state, piss off and sell to someone that can (me).
Res_Novae17@reddit
You won't be doing that any time soon in NYC if this guy wins, unless you're running a charity. In which case, good for you!
nudbuttt@reddit
God forbid landlords have an actual job to pay for maintenance of their own property.
Res_Novae17@reddit
They still can't be expected to bother owning a property that does not generate more rent revenue than the combined cost of maintaining it. At that point they just have a job and then a second worthless job.
The_Demolition_Man@reddit
Landlords dont replace outlets though. Electricians do.
Gingingin100@reddit
Genuinely what the fuck are you talking about
JustaBearEnthusiast@reddit
It never was.
Remarkable-Sort2980@reddit
Landlords: famous for fixing issues promptly and without giving their tenants any trouble for requesting it.
Goddamnpassword@reddit
Rent freeze won’t make rent cheaper for most people in NYC.
city run grocery stores will cost the city way, way more than the savings they will pass on to consumers and would be better spent just giving people the expected savings in cash.
NYC doesn’t have anywhere near the money or legal authority to meaningfully change the cost of healthcare to residents of the city.
The_Gunboat_Diplomat@reddit
City Run grocery stores are not meant to be cheaper than regular grocery stores, they are meant to service food deserts where regular grocery stores don't operate due to being unprofitable and I promise you "just give free cash to poor minority neighbourhoods" is gonna get way more hate than city run grocery stores in an election
Res_Novae17@reddit
The food deserts are there because private sector grocers got sick of losing money to shoplifting. City run stores will hemorrhage tax money. They will pay employees to stock shelves with food for people to take without paying.
The_Gunboat_Diplomat@reddit
Yeah that's fine? Like that's literally the point, having the government step in to handle nonprofitable enterprise, just the same as maintaining sidewalks there
Res_Novae17@reddit
Ok, so then the question becomes where does the tax money to pay for it come from? Rich people will just leave the city if you squeeze them too much. And city taxes are nowhere near the level of federal or state. You'd have to triple it to fund the types of programs normally done on the state level.
The_Gunboat_Diplomat@reddit
Take it out of the jillion dollars for the NYPD
Spudtron98@reddit
Well it’s better than malnutrition in the biggest city of a first-world country.
Goddamnpassword@reddit
Food deserts don’t exist, what does is exist is people not wanting to buy the food that some stores sell either because of cost or preference and as a result you end up with a lot cheaper/more processed stuff. So if the city isn’t going to charge less they aren’t going to have customers.
https://news.uchicago.edu/story/food-deserts-not-blame-growing-nutrition-gap-between-rich-and-poor-study-finds
The_Gunboat_Diplomat@reddit
You linked an article that says that food deserts do exist and people within them will travel several miles, even without a car, to areas serviced by supermarkets to buy groceries
The fact that people shopping at those supermarkets eat unhealthily is not the subject, we're talking about local cost and accessibility. The fact that Americans are not making good choices in what food to buy once they get there and America's overall obesity crisis is a completely different issue
Goddamnpassword@reddit
“For decades, the conventional wisdom has been that people living in food deserts—defined as areas lacking in supermarkets with fresh produce and other nutritious items—have little choice but to buy unhealthy food at drugstores or convenience stores. But the data tell a different story.
A new Chicago Booth study finds that food deserts have no meaningful effect on eating habits. Exposing low-income households to the same products and prices as those in high-income households reduces nutritional inequality by only 9 percent while the remaining 91 percent of the nutrition gap is driven by difference in what shoppers prefer to buy”
The distance for travel is immaterial if opening a closer grocery store doesn’t change shopping or eating habits.
The_Gunboat_Diplomat@reddit
Yes, in terms of health, not in terms of accessibility. We already went through this. Later in the article it's mentioned that
This is the why food deserts are not impactful on eating habits, and the article focuses on that aspect because it's an article about nutrition. Our concern here is bringing these communities up to the standard for urban neighbourhoods where ideally a grocery store should be available within less than 1 mile
Res_Novae17@reddit
They travel farther when they choose to buy those things. That doesn't mean that they will choose to buy them rather than grab some Mickey D's if both are down the street.
Goddamnpassword@reddit
There is a reason grocery store don’t exist there now, there are not enough people willing to shop at one to support it, if you build a government run one that will not change you will just have a money pit that gets very little traffic while likely putting existing bodegas out of business as they can’t compete with a business that can afford to lose money every year.
Longjumping-Car3624@reddit
lol
Nervous-Hair-2107@reddit
Rent freeze is only for rent controlled properties and it has been done before many times.
Hes planning to tax the wealthy and the mega corps. And If you think corps will leave a 1.3 trillion dollar economy…
PM_ME_DNA@reddit
When they leave it won’t be a 1.3T economy.
Res_Novae17@reddit
Yeah that TGI Fridays in Times Square is going to have to do some heavy lifting if it's going to pay for the health care of 7 million people.
Goddamnpassword@reddit
That’s my point, the rent freeze will not change the cost of rent for the vast majority of renters in NYC.
He can’t tax by fiat, the city council will have to approve both the new taxes and the spending. If you think they are going to levy enough taxes and then allocate them to a public health system I’ve got some ocean front property in Yuma really cheap.
Nervous-Hair-2107@reddit
You’re right. But the alternative was actively increasing rent.
Zohran has raised 400 million to eliminate debt for taxi drivers. Plus the opposition was funded by the mega corps so yeah id take the precent chance to have more saftey nets than the guy actively saying “i want to kill your grandma and take yo money to buy another house in the suburbs”
FireDevil11@reddit
Can I ask an American, why was every single one of his opponents answer to "where will you first visit" was "Going to Israel" when they get elected? wtf?
afoxian@reddit
NYC has a significant and very politically active Jewish Orthodox population. So, with their opponent being Muslim, it's just a very easy way to get some of those votes.
DarkSkyKnight@reddit
The alternative is building more apartments.
Nervous-Hair-2107@reddit
Also true. I don’t think Zohran ever said not to build apartments though. And if you were keeping up with the race the alternative was Andrew Coumo, who was funded by LAND MEGA PAC— he was 100% going to unjustifiably increase rent.
Goddamnpassword@reddit
He didn’t raise 400 million, he got the city to back stop the debt at 170k and the city helped secure their assets from collection. It was basically a city financed bankruptcy.
Nervous-Hair-2107@reddit
Why can’t you just be happy with money going back into the hands of the working poor.
I think its 170k per driver that applies
idontknowjuspickone@reddit
Lol at mega corps
Deldris@reddit
Is that 1.3t before or after taxes?
Nervous-Hair-2107@reddit
1.3 trill in Gdp so idk and matching NJ’s tax rate won’t cuase that number to decrease
Captaincorect@reddit
His plan is "The Rich will pay for it!" we'll tax them and tax them. But the taxes wont be enough, the rich will move out and then the middle class will take the taxes until private industry is gone and the city is taking out loans just to stay afloat
Nervous-Hair-2107@reddit
Rich people— not corp HQ rarely run from higher taxes if it means their quality of life would also improve. For reference rich people love stay in Cali.
And yeah Zohrans policies actively improve quality of life for everyone. If you’re making 1m and 20k extra guess to taxes but you get clean free buses, clean metros, more funding to social services making the streets cleaner, you would stay in NYC
Captaincorect@reddit
Free, nothing is free. Also people are fleeing California right now
Cdog536@reddit
It is definitely not the easiest of business to run a mass grocery chain, but maybe on some plus side, it will open up jobs. Grocery is highly competitive and all of the businesses basically use the same vendors. Nonetheless, I’m interested to see where that goes.
Rent freeze gonna fuck over every small landlord holding rent-stabilized majority buildings. Meanwhile municipal companies and construction industry might jack their prices. Not sure what happens with property taxes here either. Small landlords in this situation are better off selling the buildings to the banks.
Smelldicks@reddit
Nobody, including myself, gives a fuck about the landlords, but rent control is a shit bandage for the problem
Cdog536@reddit
Any solutions to how housing should be done?
Taaargus@reddit
Build more housing.
Kinda funny how the main politicians complaining about a cost of living crisis in their cities are Dems, and then cities in red states that just build a shitload of houses don't have nearly as significant of a problem.
Smelldicks@reddit
It’s a boring answer but it’s the right one. You need to build more housing. And that’s best effected at the state level. NYC is constrained mostly by the lack of new builds outside its borders than its very high density housing. Makes alternatives less feasible and drives up rents.
That said — it’s still the best solution Mamdani has available. Get rid of the red tape in new construction and build, build, build, as much as you can.
Hot_Raccoon_565@reddit
No renting. If you don’t live in the property you aren’t allowed to own it.
comicnerd93@reddit
Then what about multi family units?
There's a place for renting. It's not single family homes though.
Hot_Raccoon_565@reddit
The developer owns and pays taxes on it until it’s filled. The other families will not pay for the empty space. This encourages developers to lower the price until the home is filled. If they claim that this would prevent them from creating more housing that is fine. Go out of business if you can’t develop and build houses. A new company will form that will do it.
Smelldicks@reddit
Increase supply
Captaincorect@reddit
the grocery chains wont be a business, they will be a government program that that will be inefficient and will need to take on extra tax burdens to the people just to operate at 1/3rd the quality of a private grocery store
ShinyArc50@reddit
The grocery store thing is being set up with money earmarked for grocery subsidies to begin with. I’m interested to see if this works
glockenballz@reddit
The city run grocery stores are the only idea that I think is just misguided and bad. Like if we’re being real here all those stores are getting ransacked on the daily and it’s not like Walmart where who gives a shit but instead they’re siphoning it from taxpayers.
comeonandham@reddit
Yep.
Rent control is bad for housing costs on the whole, NYC needs more housing to keep up with demand and rent control disincentivizes building housing.
The city-run grocery store is just for show, total nothing-burger.
The guy's ideas are all over the place, he's trying to be all things to all people
thestridereststrider@reddit
Specifically New York that seems to be the case. What I want to know is if it is economical to develop new housing other places, then why isn’t it economical in New York? On paper the high demand should mean even a subpar product would see interest from people.
I know it’s economical in other metros because I’ve been a part of the team that’s built them in less high demand areas.
SlayBoredom@reddit
ironically trump says the same but continues to do the very opposite.
> people vote for him because of inflation
> what causes this reaction?
paco-ramon@reddit
The measures he wants to implements are the ones Spanish progressive government already implemented, rent prices has increase over 10% since the new law was implemented around a year ago.
p4r4d0x@reddit
NYC has had a rent controlled apartment system since forever and it works great. He’s talking about expanding that system. It’s entirely uncontroversial to NYC residents which is why he won.
JakeTheSnake0709@reddit
Does it?
Metrix145@reddit
Yeah but the supply is pretty low (due to most buildings being owned by companies)
thestridereststrider@reddit
And why is the supply low?
Soldier_of_l0ve@reddit
Because they’re popular buildings and people don’t leave them.
thestridereststrider@reddit
Are they popular because they are rent controlled?
Soldier_of_l0ve@reddit
Yes. Incredibly
thestridereststrider@reddit
So the supply is low because people won’t leave them and the solution is to add to this?
FunnyP-aradox@reddit
He also wants to BUILD more house to avoid just making the problem worst
thestridereststrider@reddit
So the plan is to make situation worse in one way and better in another? So cheaper rent isn’t going to happen…
FunnyP-aradox@reddit
build more AND lock the rent so it is still affordable idk what is the worst part in this ??
thestridereststrider@reddit
It doesn’t fix anything… it keeps the situation the exact same, which is a cost of living crisis…
Soldier_of_l0ve@reddit
Do you live in nyc? It’s incredibly expensive. Families can afford to live there because of this housing. The plan is to add more affordable rent stabilized housing. What is your point? Why are you so mad? The millionaire property managers are not going to fuck you. Who are you defending? Are you just arguing to argue?
thestridereststrider@reddit
My point is why not just increase the supply instead of continuing to do the thing that lowered the supply. It’s stupid.
Soldier_of_l0ve@reddit
It doesn’t lower the supply it increases demand. Please stop talking about things you don’t understand there’s /r/conservative for that
thestridereststrider@reddit
I guess you belong there
Soldier_of_l0ve@reddit
The Classic no u
thestridereststrider@reddit
I guess. I personally don’t think trying to insult people is a good way of going about things
Soldier_of_l0ve@reddit
There’s only one way to stop people from spewing bullshit
thestridereststrider@reddit
Is to spew it yourself?
LuigiBamba@reddit
The concern with rent control is that developers will not be incentivized to build more if they can't make a profit. Price controls in all sorts of markets have historically been very poor attempts to keep prices down. Black markets almost emerge to fill the gaps.
To build more in a rent controlled market, you would need non-profit organizations such as municipal governments to foot the bill. Non-market housing is not the same as rent control.
Soldier_of_l0ve@reddit
Add more affordable housing? Yes. That’s the solution. I’m glad youre not regarded
LuigiBamba@reddit
Rent control isn't the same as affordable housing...
Soldier_of_l0ve@reddit
🤡
LuigiBamba@reddit
Oui live in a society
Noiseyboisey@reddit
Most buildings being owned by companies
thestridereststrider@reddit
Why aren’t they building more? If it is a great investment they can make a ton of money off of, then why aren’t they reinvesting their money into more…
LighthousePilgrim@reddit
Unironically, the land itself is what's valuble. The longer they hold onto that, the more they'll make as the value around them increases. They're not going to bother building anything new on thesest lands because that's too much effort compared to just waiting.
thestridereststrider@reddit
But surely having an income stream and putting valuable property on the land would make significantly more money right?
womerah@reddit
Landlords make most of their profits off of land appreciation in the 21st century. Rent basically just exists to offset land taxes and maintainence. It's not a major driver of profits.
Socarch26@reddit
not necessarily because further development would require a capital investment and also caries risk. Sitting on it doesn't have any risk.
thestridereststrider@reddit
Yes it does. It comes with the risk that the land will not increase in value and it will consistently be a loss until sold due to property taxes.
Socarch26@reddit
developing it further actually increases taxes and assessed value. And land is absolutely not falling in NYC any time soon.
thestridereststrider@reddit
Yea… but it also comes with a revenue stream to cover the increased property tax. Betting on the real estate isn’t a zero risk game. Yeah prices might not drop but if they don’t dramatically increase then you’re taking a loss on the property when you sell…
FunnyP-aradox@reddit
Except if there's a market crash worst then 2008, no sadly they'll make more POTENTIAL money out off housing inflation
thestridereststrider@reddit
In that situation wouldn’t it make sense to have additional units to profit off of if that happens then? All while maintaining an apparently very lucrative revenue stream on a property that would otherwise be taking a loss?
clotifoth@reddit
Anyone else seeing intense intentional stupidity cope tactic over and over again in the face of the obvious problems of NY rent control
thestridereststrider@reddit
It’s not intentional stupidity unfortunately
clotifoth@reddit
I get the vibe like they're dodging your rhetoric device on purpose over and over.
They're engaging with it because they have no good answer for the flaw, intensely. One after the other.
But they're doing it in a sort of bad faith where they're trying to deflect to these other, their-ideology-coded concepts as culprits or implicated in some scheme that changes the conversation away from the obvious, massive flaws of NY's rent controlled housing system which you're begging with your repeated question, building tension as the inevitable end seems to approach closer and closer with each passing apologism
thestridereststrider@reddit
Unfortunately always ends with insults
LighthousePilgrim@reddit
Yeah, they might build a small building and charge a fuck ton of rent, instead of a large building with affordable affordable apartments. They will spend as little as they possibly can. The real value comes from simply owning the land and hoarding it.
dirschau@reddit
An unoccupied building in limited supply keeps appreciating in value, or the land does at least, while requiring minimum to no maintenance.
So they just sit their fucking asses on it.
LuigiBamba@reddit
Ok, but that's an issue fixed by land taxes. How does rent control have anything to do with this situation?
throwtheclownaway20@reddit
Buying existing housing is cheaper than building it yourself.
thestridereststrider@reddit
Yes, but if you rent a building generally you shoot for covering your yearly costs plus a profit margin. So over the time a well managed place in a market with massive demand should pretty quickly see an ROI.
MajLoftonHenderson@reddit
Primarily because zoning laws prevent new housing from being built.
thestridereststrider@reddit
That’s annoying. I guess shitty zoning is an issue everywhere
flyingpilgrim@reddit
You know Reddit is fucked when even the 4Chan sub is that delusional about this shit.
Landen2DS@reddit
It has been fucked let’s be real lol
xpacean@reddit
He's also been saying that he's realized on the campaign trail that increasing housing supply is a big part of it too, so all the armchair economics shitting on his rent freeze can rest assured that the real guy agrees with them a lot more than the caricature.
DarkSkyKnight@reddit
I hope he actually does the hard work of expanding supply instead of just making more apartments rent controlled.
You can't rent control your way out of what is fundamentally a mismatch between supply and demand.
Taskforcem85@reddit
He has plans to build more housing. It's a zoning/regulation issue at the moment.
a1_on@reddit
We had the same thing in Argentina and it was a complete failure because less people were willingly to let the government decide what price you land your house so at the end it had the opposite effect
FunnyP-aradox@reddit
The differencebis that the governement of New York has more power than the governement of "free-falling into anarchy for +30 years" Argentina
a1_on@reddit
The Soviets had the same line of thought until reality destroyed them
FunnyP-aradox@reddit
Nope they just sucked in production because they forgot that there were people outside of Moscow and St. Petersbourg because their heads were so far up their ass, so there were producing massive famines, the USSR waa about 1/2 of the entire world, this is just New York City
Gifs_Ungiven@reddit
How much would rent have increased without the new measures?
paco-ramon@reddit
Hard to tell but never more than 10% in a single year.
RocksHaveFeelings2@reddit
Ya but that's because they're spanish
BamaBlcksnek@reddit
Not to mention what happened when the USSR nationalized their grocery stores.
proletarianliberty@reddit
What happened again? All the pineapples the Tsar had been importing disappeared?
BlurredSight@reddit
Except Mamdani's measures are more in line with economists than Trumps ever was.
Hell everything that was predicted to happen if Trump got elected inevitably did happen
DarkSkyKnight@reddit
I don't disagree but rent control is not in line with economists.
The_Knife_Pie@reddit
Building more apartments using government funds and using rent control to keep those apartments low cost is very much an economist backed solution to rising housing prices. Not universally, if anything ever is, but it’s absolutely one of the orthodox methods to this problem.
LaughRiot68@reddit
UChicago does a poll where they ask economists their opinions on statements regarding economic issues. They asked mainstream economists whether they agree with the following statement.
2% agreed with the statement. 81% disagreed or strongly disagreed. The rest were uncertain, had no opinion, or did not answer. When asked for commentary, Caroline Hoxby of Stanford said
Cecilia Rouse of Princeton said
Richard Schmalenese of MIT said
Nancy Stokey of UChicago said
Richard Thaler of UChicago said
Source: https://kentclarkcenter.org/surveys/rent-control/
The_Knife_Pie@reddit
Yes, not building more and capping prices doesn’t increase supply. Increasing supply while capping prices lowers cost. This is economy 101.
Also lol at the guy saying landlords won’t make modest priced housing with rent fixes, like a parasite would ever make something with “modest pricing”.
PurplurPuzzlehead111@reddit
MAGA Americans are some of the most propagandized people in the entire world
Helgrind444@reddit
judaism
rayschoon@reddit
It’s not government overreach when trump slaps insane taxes on random imports, uhhhh because I said so
ProprietaryIsSpyware@reddit
He wants to implement rent controls, rent freezes(???) and build more houses without easing off the regulations, this guy is a socialist and he'll give the country a very valuable lesson.
ursoyjak@reddit
The rent freeze thing is the worst part. There are already tons of vacant rental spaces needing renovation in NYC that will stay vacant due to being rent frozen and the owner does not want to put money into the property if the rent will stay the same regardless
NotSuluX@reddit
The point is to get these people to sell the apartments instead of renting it out for higher and higher prices because owned property is so much better for the city because people fkn care about their home and environment if they own a stake.
Now you're gonna say that the rich landlords will just sit on the properties for speculations sake. But this has already been figured out too by the oh so "socialist" northern European countries. You just add very high fees for owning vacant housing in densely populated areas.
You don't make it so that landlords can essentially tax up to 50% or your lifetime for their personal gain. My god conservatism is a mental illness.
ursoyjak@reddit
You can read my other comment but that’s what I’m saying. You can’t implement rent freezes without also adding consequences for sitting on vacant property or you’ll have the exact situation we have now. And I could be wrong but I haven’t seen any mention of this combination, just the rent freezes
But thanks for just insulting me instead of having a normal conversation about it 👍
NotSuluX@reddit
Your argument is some helpful change is useless without also doing more other helpful changes. Rent freeze will benefit a lot of people there already by stopping the horrendous increase of living cost. Later you think about the vacant apartments. The rent freeze is the big part not the vacant apartments that are already vacant, especially when talking on a political platform. Change is and will always be implemented iteratively
I'm pretty certain Mamdani knows all about this concern but rent freeze is much easier to sell to the public than higher property taxes on vacant homes, which would definitely be misconstrued by the media.
clotifoth@reddit
"Mamdani is playing 4 dimensional chess and akshwally he's doing something totally different when he's doing something." This is a MAGA-coded argument. Are you being for real with us?
Next you'll tell me that Mamdani wants to make New York "great again"...
NotSuluX@reddit
Not what I said but I didn't expect reading comprehension in the first place
Res_Novae17@reddit
It's even worse than that. Rent freezes just lead to black market subletting. The space is worth what it's worth to people. If you tell a landlord that he can only charge $2k for an apartment that is valued at $3k, someone is just going to rent it and charge someone $3k to live in it under the table. You are stealing the difference from the landlord and giving it to a glorified ticket scalper.
rayschoon@reddit
they’ll only be able to charge $3k/month for a studio, the horror
Mr_Ios@reddit
Nah they'll just be forced to sell to mega corporations becuase they wont be able to afford the mortgage.
The corporations will then charge 5k a month.
ursoyjak@reddit
I’m not arguing about the morals of landlords charging excessive rent, I’m telling you what is happening now. Unless somebody makes a consequence to holding onto vacant property in NYC then they will never go into the housing supply that the city desperately needs. And doing a punishment for vacant property is already a whole other argument
mymemesnow@reddit
Those aren’t even socialist policies. Socialism at its core means that all means of production is socially owned.
My country (Sweden) is very capitalistic, bit also have things like a strong social security net, free healthcare and laws that regulated how much rents can be raised and so on…
Those aren’t mutually exclusive and you don’t need to go full socialist to stop corporations from fucking you over completely.
ProprietaryIsSpyware@reddit
My country (Norway) also has socialistic shit like free healthcare and strong social security nets, these will be what eventually will destroy the country as well. Social democracy is unsustainable with a shrinking population.
clotifoth@reddit
"Your country" set up 200k oil wealth in your name dipstick (geddit? Dipstick like an internal combustion engine!! You use it to check the oil level in your car!)
ole_olaf@reddit
LOL
derp0815@reddit
Sorry you can't spell "social democracy" without starting "socialism" and we all know that means Stalin II eating children in their cribs.
mymemesnow@reddit
Yeah, sorry. I forgot about the babyeating.
SeingaltUNo@reddit
To never try socialism again, correct.
Smelldicks@reddit
It’s not like he has the power to effect much of his agenda
6fat_basterd9@reddit
sup3rrn0va@reddit
This guy is being a snowflake telling New Yorkers what they should and shouldn’t be upset about while not living here. The 4chan equivalent of a white girl saying how latinos should really use Latinx.
Get the fuck out of here. Hope this schmuck never has a good slice of pizza for the rest of his pathetic meaningless existence.
clotifoth@reddit
"S-someone attacked Mommie New York! I'm not a transplant I've lived in a Brooklyn apt for 4 years!! You're the transplant because you spent your whole life in Nassau County taking the train in! NYC HAS NO FAULTS IT HAS BROADWAY, MSG AND BARS. GET DA FUKK ADDA HEEH see i even talk like a new yorker im so new york NYCCCC!!!1!"
nicojarr69@reddit
Wasn't it proven that most /pol posts come from israel
DryRug@reddit
Same with all the major subs on reddit lol
potatohead671@reddit
Shalom mossad agent
NoSpeaker324@reddit
Fuckk! I can't tell if Anon's being sarcastic or unironic!
ISIPropaganda@reddit
This is literally just Charlie Kirk lol
yoavtrachtman@reddit
Wake up babe another blatant antisemitic post on r/greentext
Nobodyherem8@reddit
nooooo instead of trying something new, we should keep doing things the old ways which caused NY living cost to skyrocket. Ok.
MothMonsterMan300@reddit
I love how the right's talking heads project/perceive themselves to be these stoic, confident leaders who keep emotions separate from actions, they're the "same" voices of a "crumbling society" and blah blah fucking blah
And yet, evidently Brown Man Elected Mayor of Liberal Shithole City I Despise = SHARIA LAW! END OF WESTERN SOCIETY!! DONT COME ASKING FOR HELP WHEN NYC TANKS(which, El oh fucking El, how does the national budget work?) Really stoic, collected. Definitely not throwing xenophobic bitch fits over the fact that their weird made-up 1950's "idyllic time" isnt coming back.
These are the same people who burned their Nike gear and destroyed bud light and jack Daniels... After they had already fucking bought and paid for it, and then post videos of themselves doing so, and without a shred of irony or self-awareness will roll their eyes and accuse people of virtue signaling when they say something like "hey maybe our tax dollars shouldnt be pink misting Palestinian children"
StrawberryWide3983@reddit
Seriously. The dumbest part is that they're not even basing their nostalgia for the 50s. They're basing their nostalgia for 50s ads. Something that never existed at any point in time. They look at something made and designed to sell fucking appliances or some shit and say "(((They))) took this from you" when 99% of the people never even had tbat
MothMonsterMan300@reddit
Right? Or oil paintings of cotillion balls "they took this from you"
Uh, no, you would have been one of the peasants cleaning the rich folks' shit out of the stairwells
Sean-Benn_Must-die@reddit
Populism is so fucking easy its unreal, empty promises NEVER stop working as long as you get people mad at their neighbor
StrawberryWide3983@reddit
Lmao. Reminds me of a Twitter post I saw where someone was asking why they don't have balls and galas anymore. And someone responded by saying that just like they would've been too poor to be invited back then, they're still too poor to be invited now
SpaceSick@reddit
Another layer of irony to add to that is the fact that during America's time of so called "greatness", society was working all well because we had like a 40% capital gains tax which was used to fund all sorts of public services.
AKA, socialism.
And then Reagan came along and started the trend of reducing the tax.
So basically they destroyed what they are saying was America at it's greatest.
Vlaladim@reddit
Gonna say as a socialist it truly amazing how the US government was essentially running a market based socialist economy for so long but just don’t realized how amazing it was. Most of the Soviet states could just used that line of thought and boy it be super effective countering the red scare tactic the US. “Scared of socialism and communism? That 40% Capital gain tax is a the first step to that road comrades”
ShinyArc50@reddit
The last 50 years of America can be summed up with “I’m sorry, they cut the budget this year”
Total_Network6312@reddit
just so everyone is on the same page,
(((they))) means jewish people
cell689@reddit
Yeah, would have been way better to destroy the property of others instead, like the leftists do.
MothMonsterMan300@reddit
Oh I forgot, it was a bunch of blue-haired pronoun havers who literally smeared their own shit inside the capitol building. My bad
a_code_mage@reddit
What an absurd cope.
whatducksm8@reddit
How is it absurd? It seems we managed to come up with two instances of property destruction from both sides, but the right never wants to acknowledge its role in the Jan 6th riots.
cell689@reddit
They were too busy destroying cities in their fiery but mostly peaceful protests.
Empero6@reddit
Where are the razed cities?
cell689@reddit
Where's the destroyed Capitol?
Empero6@reddit
The capital wasn’t destroyed. It had shit smeared on the walls. Again, where are the razed cities?
cell689@reddit
The cities weren't razed, there were just millions of dollars of damages in theft and vandalism.
Empero6@reddit
cell689@reddit
Yup
DoorsToZeppelin@reddit
Dumb hog. Maybe one day you will get the healthcare (therapy) and education (high school) you need.
cell689@reddit
Oh wow you're really pissed off, like completely mad. Try touching grass, that really helps.
DoorsToZeppelin@reddit
LOL bro the only thing I'm missing is popcorn. I think you are projecting.
cell689@reddit
You're projecting the need for therapy onto me. Specifically you have serious anger issues if some banter on the internet gets you this angry.
DoorsToZeppelin@reddit
Hey, there's nothing wrong with needing therapy and there's nothing wrong with needing education. You seem to think so and it's so funny to me that hogs like you actively advocate for things that hurt you and your family. If anything, that's what makes me angry (and it should make you angry too).
cell689@reddit
Based on what?
rNBA_Mods_Be_Better@reddit
This is the clearest example of "brainwashed" I've ever seen on the internet, and that's saying something.
cell689@reddit
This is the clearest example of a bunch of people not being able to read properly and getting pissed off because of it I've ever seen since... I dunno it happens a lot.
llamawithguns@reddit
If you find out let me know so i can move there and actually afford rent
Empero6@reddit
Fuck, who are you telling? My rent went up by $200.
Unlucky_Art464@reddit
goomba fallacy dickhead
alarumba@reddit
The people who cry loudest about virtue signaling wear red hats.
PurpleWoodpecker2830@reddit
Imagine being left wing and voting for a Muslim
Cheezeepants@reddit
imagine criticizing a politician because of your assumptions based on their religion, instead of their actual statements and political position
PurpleWoodpecker2830@reddit
Imagine criticizing a politician for the basis for their beliefs instead of what they pretend to say for votes. Damn even r/free text isn’t safe
Aluminum_Tarkus@reddit
Anyone who disagrees with socialist policies who doesn't live in New York should welcome this; if they're right about these policies not working, then they're about to get a strong example to point to. Why does a bunch of people who don't even live in NYC have to clutch pearls about who a group of people they despise choose to run said city? Let them crash and burn if that's what you think will happen.
But sadly, I don't think it'll matter. Anyone who does sympathize with democratic socialism/social democracy is going to find a million other reasons to justify why these policies won't work in NY, specifically, if they do flop. But shit, even the people against socialism will do the same if it somehow ends up working out. People love to explain away outcomes that don't align with their worldviews.
rayschoon@reddit
I wish it was the norm to like, do research on how to best fix social problems. Everyone largely agrees what the problems are, but which side you’re on politically determined which solution you’re “allowed” to support. Why can’t we just approach each issue individually and try to intellectually determine how best to solve it?
zabder@reddit
Literally the most normal and logical take and you’re being downvoted?? Fucking bots and shills.
Dont_Touch_My_Nachos@reddit
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
Their “research” is reposting political memes they think are funny on Facebook
Repulsive_Mechanic74@reddit
that would require nuance and humility.
in america…
Herpderpotato@reddit
Sorry bud, that makes you a... checks notes centrist, and thats bad mmkay
jackshiels@reddit
But every single economist already knows what rent controls do. This has been concluded for the past 60 years lmao
EffablyIneffable@reddit
I always wonder this about California. Like, anyone who has been to CA and seen the quality of life they have compared to others states is like night and day. It's weird when you force people to say stuff out loud so they can hear what they are saying. You don't want to fund public schools so the kids have better education? Why? You don't want to clean up the areas and make the environment more enjoyable and clean? Why?
9/10 these people are the FOX watching routine hoarders who barely get out of their house and socialize anyways. What is so wrong about wanting to make the place you live better as well as improve the lives of the people that live there?
Crapcicle6190@reddit
Because they don't think it affects them or that it will increase their taxes
Conservatives are ruled by one core value: selfishness
"I like the way things are now. Why do we have to change to make future generations/other people's lives better if it will make my life a little uncomfortable in the short term?"
These people fit into 3 buckets: a) too stupid to realize how this will affect them b) willfully ignorant because the truth is too uncomfortable for them to bare so they cling to fantasy interpretations of the world (e.g. conspiracy theories) or c) racist/bigoted/religious so logic doesn't apply to their beliefs
raysofdavies@reddit
They’re shitting themselves at the sight of these positions growing in popularity
Long_Leaper@reddit
As they should be. Nobody wants the killing fields in their back yard.
Long_Leaper@reddit
Because everyone in the northeast has their livelihood is directly tied to companies based out of NYC. Socialism doesn't work and will especially not work on the scale of one of the biggest cities in the world.
It's not that complicated tbh. He won't win the election though so it's a moot point. He'll be exposed way before that and can go back to code switching in rap career.
Drago_727@reddit
Because their bullshit will affect us, as they are one of the largest cities in the world and a major trading hub globally, the rest of the U.S. will be dragged down by their bullshit.
BadAtStonk@reddit
The US is being dragged down daily by weak men refusing to tax billionaires. Cowards who would rather take a small bribe than fight for the American people. We finally maybe have one single man in congress who won't take billionaire bribes and suck them off for a seat near their table.
P41N90D@reddit
So you want them to be like China, black-bagging billionaires for their assets or attitude before they take it elsewhere.
Because that's what you'll have to.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-super-rich-population-drops-tech-crackdown-global-factors-hurt-wealth-2023-03-23/
https://archive.md/Agfp7
Lilshadow48@reddit
I mean if it's between billionaires using the world as a playground or blackbagging them if they refuse to play nice then yeah I know which one I prefer and it's certainly not what I'm currently living under.
P41N90D@reddit
Does money make the man or is it the man that made all that money in the first place ?
MatthewMob@reddit
Well almost never does the man make the money, their parents did and they simply took advantage of the pre-existing capital.
Rhaps0dy@reddit
It's genuinely incomprehensible how any random person ever could defend and side with BILLIONAIRES.
The_Gunboat_Diplomat@reddit
Shit yeah I'd be down for that
BadAtStonk@reddit
All billionaires are leeches.
BadAtStonk@reddit
Yeah definitely.
Drago_727@reddit
So, basically this guy goes "When I become school president, I'll give everyone puppies and extra recess" and *Only the rich white parts of New York* fall for it and vote for him, then they'll wonder why they never got the stuff promised. If it's too good to be true, it probably is.
BadAtStonk@reddit
"If it's too good to be true, it probably is" is called dogmatic thinking. You've been told that so many times that you believe it without questioning it. The reason Americans don't have basic necessities like health insurance and social security blankets has already been proven by other "first world" countries across the globe. If we allocated our money in even a remotely acceptable way then we wouldn't be on the verge of economic collapse and civil war. When countries reach this level of disparity in wealth, science and history have proven that the people will remove those in power and fix it.
akeith01@reddit
It's crazy how nearly every member of Congress has their own assigned '''billionaire''' mouthpiece to consult before making any decisions
Res_Novae17@reddit
You're right. And anyone who thinks protectionism is bad for blue collar workers should welcome the experiment Trump is doing. If you're right, it will fail and we will all learn never to try it again.
ThePandaRider@reddit
New York is a big city, if you fuck it up people will move out and the consequences will be felt across the East Coast. If this was Burlington Vermont then I would say 100% do it.
thestridereststrider@reddit
Why would we want another example of rent control though? We already have seen how rent control affects things. I am interested to see how the grocery stores go though.
mcj1ggl3@reddit
I’m looking forward to another example even tho there are several, but it’s sad it will have an impact on real people
Aluminum_Tarkus@reddit
I have less remorse when the people voted for it. For the ones who voted another way or couldn't vote, I'll feel sad for them if (and I'm assuming that's going to be more of a "when") the system ends up harming them more than it helps them. For those that either voted for him or chose not to vote, fuck 'em. They made their bed.
If it ends up being a resounding success (which I doubt), then people's lives are better and we'll have learned something from this. There's wins happening either way.
mcj1ggl3@reddit
Yeah that’s not exactly an example of a win-win. My side is a little different, where I want a better life for everyone even if they’re so dumb that they don’t know what’s good for them. The people that vote for this guy see free stuff and don’t understand there’s still a cost. It’s not the land of rainbows and butterflies.
And the people I feel worst for are the children of these people. Little Timmy can’t eat even tho he stood in line with mom at 5am with 3,000 other people for a chance at 1,000 loaves of 50 cent bread. Sorry buddy this is all because of the government and rich people :(
I prefer not to do mass experimentation on real people because if it goes wrong, it will go really wrong. I’m really hoping that a relatively low-level position just doesn’t have much of an impact and he can be kept in check by the city council and governor
jackedcatman@reddit
Yes this will be the first time a left wing politician promising free stuff for cheaper will get elected. What are you 12?
Maybe the government should just start a cheaper Netflix too because everyone deserves entertainment and how hard can it be to just start a business for the whole city for free?
Aluminum_Tarkus@reddit
Where did I say I agree with the guy? I just said that the people who disagree with him should watch how this unfolds instead of freaking out about a different city. I just like to see radical political/economic experiments unfold in communities that ask for them. There's much to learn from this when it's all said and done, but I'm expecting that I'll just end up saying, "Price control doesn't work? No shit."
jackedcatman@reddit
Yes Chicago has learned that bankruptcy is the inevitable consequence of promises funded by debt, not all lessons are good to learn again.
derp0815@reddit
Given how the US has started several wars over "they're maybe doing a communism over there" I'm not too surprised.
BobDylansBasterdSon@reddit
Their scared it might work.
bootmeng@reddit
🤣 lol NYC is going to crash and burn real bad.
bumbuff@reddit
What policies did he advocate for that will do any of this?
Stunning-Drawer-4288@reddit
My parents said I couldn’t have ice cream for every meal. Are they simply evil?
FHAT_BRANDHO@reddit
What a comprehensible statement
Stunning-Drawer-4288@reddit
You can say you disagree and that it’s not too good to be true. Pretending like you can’t parse my meaning just makes you look dumb
FHAT_BRANDHO@reddit
Until you said "too good to be true" just now i truly only suspected your intent lol. Im comfortable with you thinking im dumb lmao
jackshiels@reddit
He's right though you totally misread an obvious joke
Stunning-Drawer-4288@reddit
I’m curious about whatever intent you thought I might have had
FHAT_BRANDHO@reddit
The strawman that you have confirmed you intended
Stunning-Drawer-4288@reddit
The OP image is a strawman. Suggesting that people who have an issue with zohran simply have an issue with cheaper groceries, rather than 1: preferring another candidate, 2: having an issue with his other policies (such as his stance on undocumented immigrants), or 3: doubting the efficacy of his strategies
What strawman was I promoting? That opposition voters are evil? That was comedic hyperbole, done to illustrate the lack of nuance in OPs way of thinking
arbiter12@reddit
It's comprehensible but it doesn't really apply here. In essence, he's saying that someone not giving you the "easy path" is not necessarily out to get you, "it could be for your own good".
It works for parenting, because ice-cream at every meal is demonstrably unhealthy for kids.
I'm not too sure it works for rental, because, while the "cheaper stuff" generally means higher taxes, I also don't believe that high rents are "for your own good" in the first place either.
Stunning-Drawer-4288@reddit
Upvoted for the good faith representation of arguments. (Though to be clear I’m not in favor of high rent. I’m not saying it builds character or anything)
If I’m just dumb like the other guy said below i don’t see why intellectual dishonesty should be more effective than just disagreeing with me. Genuinely I think it makes people look bad, even when they’re on my side
jackshiels@reddit
Going to one (1) economics class and learning about what happens when you implement rent control (hint: it has failed in literally every single experiment ever recorded).
Dmitruly@reddit (OP)
Thread
pepitobuenafe@reddit
Thanks for the thread link. It should be mandatory to add it. If there was any way to implement that rule.
ExoTheFlyingFish@reddit
Generally, this kind of thing relies on user reports. Reddit lacks sufficient tools for automation beyond "I don't like this user, send a WMD to his house every time he posts"
BadAtStonk@reddit
Reddit is uselessness and hate incarnate
username_taken55@reddit
If it were useful, it would be productive, which given out for free is a deadly sin to capitalism
chainer3000@reddit
Ironic coming from the sub reposting about a Mongolian basket weaving forum
BadAtStonk@reddit
The culture of the mods of reddit has ruined every sub.
ExoTheFlyingFish@reddit
It's generally fine outside of top 1% subs. Some top 1% subs are okay, though, and some smaller ones are 1984.
DarkSkyKnight@reddit
They should add an archive link instead of an active link.
pepitobuenafe@reddit
Beautiful idea.
big_shmegma@reddit
threads die after like 8 hours, thats why its not a rule.
Dmitruly@reddit (OP)
I always do that, you're welcome.
PassiveThoughts@reddit
Oh this is wonderful. There’s an all-out war in this thread
Neither-Chipmunk-590@reddit
Goddamn, the replies are hilarious
Bud90@reddit
PM_ME_DNA@reddit
Shortages in reality
BreakinMyBallz@reddit
I mean, people should have red flags going up in their head when they hear cheaper anything. Like his idea to freeze rent, why would landlords want to build new property or maintain their existing ones if they make little money off it?
VagHunter69@reddit
I don't even get why people have such insane reactions to this. Like even if you don't think it's gonna work out the way this guy is planning to, what exactly are your options right now other than the 3-4 mega corpo sponsored candidates? Give the man a chance, if he can't keep his promises you can still get fucked by the mega corps afterwards.
PassiveThoughts@reddit
Did people seriously wanna vote for the candidate that DOORDASH is backing?
mars-bitches@reddit
If his policies work for the better their whole view on capitalism gets cracked, and they’re not emotionally intelligent enough to accept that change. We’ve been doing the same old song and dance for decades now.
WigglySchlong@reddit
The same old song and dance is promising people free shit then everything becoming worse. “It will work this time trust dude”
mars-bitches@reddit
Being able to afford a life isn’t promising free shit.
Aakujin@reddit
Because they've literally been trained to by billionaire-controlled media designed to keep the status quo.
It's easier to keep people in line if you train them to disregard fact and experience and instead make their decisions based on instilled, irrational hatred with no basis in reality.
ilFau@reddit
Voters are so dumb that they paved the way to higher prices because of government regulation, but instead of recognizing the issue, they keep voting for politicians that will impose more regulations, therefore, the future prices will continue to raise.
RunInRunOn@reddit
Because they're actually temporarily embarrassed billionaires
Res_Novae17@reddit
You just don't get the pride some people have in being able to completely support themselves. It's their right to feel that way. You could show them a world where they live in a nice house with marble counters and drive a new Porsche and tell them the government gave it all to them and they would still pick the chipboard counters and pickup truck with 150,000 miles on it because the pride of not taking any help means more to them than the stuff would.
CaptainInuendo@reddit
Republicans are allowed to make insane promises they can’t keep all the time why can’t we
Omnizoa@reddit
I'm convinced Socialists just have a learning disability at this point. They're so smug about it too.
Res_Novae17@reddit
You'll see the problem as soon as every rich person cuts their losses and leaves the city.
BazelBuster@reddit
“Why don’t voters trust a politician at face value and not care about any of the fall out of these policies?”
“Must be the Jews!!”
flaspd@reddit
Omg a politician makes promises. Hurry up guys, this one wont lie 🤣
This fucker had pro terrorist comments
FUNNYGUY123414@reddit
Almost everyone wants those things except for landlords and the extremely wealthy. But, most anyone that isn't a leftist is apprehensive or horrified by the ideas because they have been trained to defend the capitalist and managerial classes. We barely tax the wealthy and people are so beholden to the whims of billionaires that they fear every single one of them will leave. Almost none of them will do so, but they will threaten over and over. There was an interview the day after the election on Fox news where some nobody said he had to talk many people off the ledge. This is psychotic behavior: let them 'jump', and if they don't, let them be exposed for their manipulation.
TudorG22@reddit
Once they start implementing these ideas, the bar for "extremely wealthy" will start to slowly go down. It's the billionaires today, but the working people tomorrow. See France as a perfect example
podaporamboku@reddit
Is he going to use his own money to give free and cheap shit? Sign me up!!
Jedimaster996@reddit
He already does. And so do you. And so do I.
Just like how you get everything else catered to you in this society, like protection for your country, fire departments for your city, paving crews to repair your roads in your county, etc.
podaporamboku@reddit
I pay enough taxes for that, so as long as these politicians can provide free shit without hiking taxes then let them knock themselves off.
Jedimaster996@reddit
So only pay taxes for things that benefit you specifically and your unique circumstances?
podaporamboku@reddit
Yes! I don't want to pay for bringing the cost down for a big ass coca cola bottle.
Jedimaster996@reddit
But they do go to stuff like that, and help people out in more unique situations than your own, even some situations that you don't find yourself in today but might find yourself in tomorrow that you hadn't planned on.
The point of your taxes is to raise society as a whole up a notch, not just you as an individual. It's the whole purpose behind funding scientific R&D for things like cancer or diabetes, even though you might have neither. It's why we put money into Social Security even though you likely won't be able to draw on it any time soon. It's the same reason even a person who doesn't enjoy the outdoors will still pay towards restoring and maintaining your local parks and playgrounds for children.
It's not just about you, it's for everyone else too.
evremonde@reddit
Pick one
ISIPropaganda@reddit
The alternative was Andrew “I’m not a creep, I’m just Italian” Cuomo, and a bunch of other corporate stooges (except Lander I guess). Oh, and also Eric “New York is the _ of _” Adams. Both men are obviously more aligned with Trump than they are with their actual constituents. Maybe Mamdani’s plans won’t work. Maybe they will. I don’t know. Either way, New York has been going to shit for years now, plagued by corruption and greed.
Adams spent over 1.6 million dollars to McKinsey only to for that firm to tell him that I should put lids on the bins to prevent rodents. He took money from foreign entities. He’s clearly corrupt.
Cuomo is obviously a piece of shit. He stole money from the MTA, lied about deaths in elderly care facilities during COVID, and resigned in disgrace as governor when he was accused of sexually assaulting a bakers dozen of women. Not only is he supported by billion dollar companies and billionaires who put Trump in the White House, he doesn’t even live in NYC. He only rented a place (for 8k a month I might add!) so he could technically be qualified to run for mayor.
At least Zohran is genuine to his own rhetoric. Even if you don’t like his policies, his honesty and genuineness is refreshing.
I’d rather an honest non corrupt mayor that I don’t agree with rather than a mayor who says everything I want to hear but still takes money from Trump billionaires and Turkish businessmen.
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
All his wokeness is forgiven because hes smoking a cigar.
BadAtStonk@reddit
People who got tricked into thinking being woke was bad are pathetic sheep.
sheepmolester2@reddit
sheep you say
BobDylansBasterdSon@reddit
How can that be true if everything i dont like is woke. Checkmate librul
PaulieHehehe@reddit
What are you talking about? That’s a penis.
KashiFarts@reddit
Marx / Lenin: Hi, my ideology is what your country will be following. I want to give you equality and justice for all and a perfect utopia to live in which will make you all happy.
Communism killed 100 million people
Good intentions don't mean good results. The right can be a bit heartless at times, but the left is completely brainless, all the time.
Jedimaster996@reddit
Which of his policies will starve the populace of New York with widespread famine?
KashiFarts@reddit
Which of Marx's did Marx and his fans think would kill so many? That's exactly the point, the left are too stupid to see the failings of their policies. Even when they fail they blame anything but their policies. Dunning-Kruger effect.
So I take it this is the left sub and r 4chan is the right?
Jedimaster996@reddit
You dodged the question. Which policies will do this? Just because Fox spins this dude as a "ULTRA MEGA COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST/NEXT COMING OF MARX" doesn't mean you have to eat that shit up lmao.
Specifically, what policies that he's campaigned on will be the ruin of NYC?
KashiFarts@reddit
I don't watch Fox news. Clearly I wandered into the soymilk bar, sorry "guys" I'll head over to the other sub. I bet you've all got those distinct nu-male facial pubes, it doesn't make you look masculine but that doesn't stop you from trying. You won't lift though, that'd be toxic masculinity hah
AmbulantCholesterol@reddit
The problem is the plan not the objective
Sbotkin@reddit
Never ask a woman her age, a man his salary and a 4channer who's at fault.
Low_Abrocoma_1514@reddit
looks inside
facepalms
fosterslager1889@reddit
I like this guys ideas but I can't really see them working. Though I did like how he didn't immediately kiss Israel's ass in the debate.
Not entirely sure why there is a question about where you want to go after to win your campaign, nor why so many of them just sat there praising Israel and talking about how they wanted to visit Israel a bunch...
DonnieG3@reddit
i mean hes shia muslim, ofc he wouldnt suck up to israel
abattlescar@reddit
Two of his largest promises aren't something he has control of, he's dependent on the state in regards to free bus service and universal childcare. The greater concern is that the rich business owners will leave New York to Texas or Florida, which does have some pretty concerning implications that New York will lose their tax base to support these programs.
I think the fact that these billionaires stick around New York as it is, is already telling that they don't contribute their fair share to the tax base, so I say good riddance.
Aakujin@reddit
"The billionaires will leave" is an empty threat. Turns out when you have an enormous amount of wealth, most of which is not liquid but tied up in businesses and property, you can't just up and move everything you own across the country on a whim.
It also implies that billionaires are somehow necessary for the economy to function, when they are purely parasitical.
AgentSkidMarks@reddit
He's the same as all the rest. He says it but the dumbass plans he has for actually doing it aren't going to work. A bunch of state run grocery stores will be about as helpful as the DMV.
Markkk01@reddit
I’ve never had a bad experience at the DMV and I’d much rather have my taxes subsidize a state run grocery store than war in the Middle East.
AgentSkidMarks@reddit
That's a bad argument because 1) your state taxes aren't funding war in the middle east, that's federal taxes, 2) you act like our politicians would take money from one thing and put it towards another as if they actually care about balancing a budget and as if that is the thing they'd draw money from to fund these stores, and 3) I don't know if you've ever been to or lived in NYC, but there isn't a whole lot of big corporation grocery stores. We're talking family-owned bodegas that he's threatening to run out of business. So what do they do now? We have small business owners that are just trying to get by who will be forced out of their business by a government-owned entity that doesn't have to play by the same rules they do (the intent is for them not to turn a profit) and then they'll do what, end up on unemployment? Become a wagie at the grocery store that ran them out of business? What a great idea!
Markkk01@reddit
“Small business owners just trying to get by will be hurt by the democratic socialist” yea ok bro, sure.
NotSuluX@reddit
It needs to be studied how the American elite succeeded in making the majority of people think they have no choice but to bend over and lift ya ass up in a democracy. It's like your will is so broken by the time you barely turn adults you don't even want to believe in a happy life anymore outside of bootlicking
AgentSkidMarks@reddit
I think it needs to be studied why so many Europeans think their happiness is intrinsically tied to the amount of handouts they get from the government.
Ottoblock@reddit
Oh gee I hope nobody shoplifts from the state run grocery store everyday and doesn’t get in trouble for it.
eddieiey@reddit
In NYC and other non-sheepfucking hick parts of the world nobody gives a shit what religion you practice if you're not a dick about it.
TurretLimitHenry@reddit
LOL, “I want to give you cheaper rent by further restricting new development unless it’s being built by the state”. Dude needs to have his bank account monitored, 100% he’s going to get hired as a “consultant” after his mayoral term.
Stoocpants@reddit
I don't know man, this conveniently leaves out the whole calling for an intafada thing
WisherWisp@reddit
He quite literally suggested state-run grocery stores.
Socialists can't actually do any of those things mentioned because they don't know how anything works and they don't learn from mistakes.
Creative_Stick8780@reddit
lol 4chan thread. Full of scared cuck white boys
WerewolfFlaky9368@reddit
The dude’s a communist and delusional. If he tries to raise taxes to pay for his imaginary utopia people will leave the city and it will be worse than ever.
WerewolfFlaky9368@reddit
No doubt, in the former USSR. He way too far left in his ideologies. He’ll destroy the city if elected. One topic alone, defund the police, is a proven failure and disastrous.
Bbdubbleu@reddit
I’ll take the bait.
The dude is a social democrat, he’d be a pretty standard politician in any developed country other than the US.
rayschoon@reddit
People freak out and say he’s gonna implement sharia law and communism and he just has a few mildly progressive policies. One of the things he talked about was making it easier for street vendors to get licenses. Currently there’s a system where people hoard the licenses and charge people a shitload of money to run a stall, so they’re just profiting off of the bureaucracy while adding no value. Mamdani just wants to eliminate the loophole that benefits nobody but the license owners. That seems super fair and reasonable to me
SkizerzTheAlmighty@reddit
It's another politician saying "I will fix all the problems!!1!!" To get elected, and the supposed means of doing so are bad, and it doesn't take an economist to discern it.
This is the equivalent of a kid running for student council president claiming they'll require gumballs with every lunch meal if they're elected.
This is the crux of a lot of political strife regarding the left politicians. They make claims like "I will solve homelessness" and put something on the table that's utterly ridiculous, and when anyone critiques it the response from leftists is "wow so you LIKE people being homeless? Disgusting Republicans I swear" it's impossible to have a fucking conversation anymore when politicians load everything up the way they do. They even name things in such a way that, if you critique it, it makes you immediately "look bad" or that you're against what it supposedly is solving.
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SaltyBigBoi@reddit
Yall talking about him like doubling the minimum wage in 5 years isn’t going to implode the economy
GoofyGoffer@reddit
Rent control doesn't work though
not_nsfw_throwaway@reddit
How exactly does a mayor plan to accomplish all that. I get that new york city is a pretty big deal so the mayor is influential... But like how exactly would he even manage to affect healthcare, or even grocery prices? Is it just gonna be pure subsidies?
Cdog536@reddit
Grocery prices are highly influenced by everything in the world. Geopolitics such as trade changes and war, natural disasters, climate change, vendors, cost of industrialization.
Like poultry and all other birds for instance suffered continuous Avian Flu outbreaks since 2021. Only solution is mass depopulation of entire stocks to prevent spread and worse outcomes. Highly demanded commodities with lower supplies. Vendors overcharging retailers to make up margins on both ends. It’s wild what retailers are doing to try and help, when they choose to care.
Stores are really at the mercy of much of this. Some stores are scummy with doing all they can to make profits. Others are doing wonky shot to prevent churn and retain customers. Nonetheless, all stores are suffering from the higher cost of acquisitions. Generally would say fuck their margins until one realizes that big grocery employs hundreds of thousands and the layoffs start at the bottom of the food chain with herd thinning and store closing.
Really to make that grocery idea work, I imagine ramp up taxes. “Tax the rich” promises have been made over and over again, but feels like the poor are the ones who get stuck with it. Still expensive now to live in NYC, then.
But ultimately, really attacking those egregious salaries would be a big help.
BobDylansBasterdSon@reddit
The avian flu stuff has mostly been going on in the US.
Cdog536@reddit
Correct. Wildlife bird outbreak noticed in 2021 affecting all poultry supply gradually for US and NA. Constrains seen months later in YoY comparison for US supply and flock population.
Winter_Low4661@reddit
Vote for me and I'll ban all homework and detention!
Kronomancer1192@reddit
I dont know shit about the guys policies. But anyone standing on a stage yelling "WE WILL STAND UP TO THE FACIST TRUMP" is probably a fucking idiot that just knows how to work a crowd. Its not hard to tell people what they want to hear to get them to like you.
arbiter12@reddit
I also wouldn't vote for such a dude. Not because i'm against what he's proposing, but because we already know he has no power to make it happen.
Give me an openly evil guy long before a guy openly lying about good things, if elected. Those are the worst.
Orange-Concentrate78@reddit
???
Nervous-Hair-2107@reddit
How evil? Is having 13 S.A. allegations and being funded by mega pacs and trump pedophiles enough?
cell689@reddit
True, but also a lot of the things he proposes would be bad even if he could make it happen, like "rent freezes".
ckpwrson@reddit
the thing with nyc as it seems is that every time they elect a new mayor on any part of the political spectrum everyone always dunks on them. if i recall correctly NYC has always been kind of shitty, the NYC boomers are fantasizing about was an NYC with a way higher murder rate as far as the 60s on are concerned. we have over 100 years of poverty and wealth inequality in NYC to look back on, so i wouldn’t blame anyone who actually lives there for wanting to try something different. it probably won’t work, but i’m not sure how much of that will be because of socialism vs the more realistic reality of politicians being too incompetent to implement it effectively.
Cdog536@reddit
From a landlord’s view, freezing rent is fine. But then address building maintenance costs and address utility company costs. Big landlord owners are the issue because they jack up costs like crazy and can get away with it and hire negligent property management companies. They take advantage of offering completely illegal rooms as well.
But smaller landlords in boroughs such as queens, brooklyn, and the bronx have to deal with buildings which are heavy rent stabilized (as in more units are stabilized versus not). Rent stabilized units cannot become free-market value for many years as it requires someone to live in there the whole time to serve the duration. Love to have happy tenants who can pay affordable pricing for rent, but it’s costs of running that must be addressed. Otherwise this attacks small business owners and the rich get richer etc etc. Note that this may even include (or open the doors to) attacking rents with store fronts and restaurants.
It cannot just be one sided. There are a lot of scumbag landlords, but it’s ignorant to believe there aren’t reasonable ones.
Nobody wants a bronx situation where at one point it was more profitable to burn buildings down to collect insurance rather than own buildings at low cost rents but high cost maintenance.
Azurehue22@reddit
Probably because the last time this was done, people starved.
EngineeringOne1812@reddit
Oh yeah Jewish people like paying more for stuff now?
LidiaSelden96@reddit
Can't believe we fell for the DLC ending again, classic America moment