Jesus was, in a sense, the last 'real,' Jew being the Messiah. The sole purpose of the tribes of Judah, the nation of Israel and the line of David and all of that was to ensure the lineage from which the savior would be born as promised to Eve. After the savior was born and especially once he died that ancient promise was fulfilled- he was the last to live under the Jewish law before the law itself was fulfilled in him, (better read as complete in him,) and, in doing so, saved humanity, Jew and Gentile alike.
Yes, god had sacrifice himself to himself be able to change his own rules. And to made sure everyone is saved he arranged to have a handful of second/third hand witnesses write it down 60 years later so humanity absolutely would know the truth
There is sin in this world, a just God would punish all sin, even the slightest imperfection was not worthy of God, but humans are imperfect beings, capable of both good and bad on a whim, to subject all of humanity would be cruelty. And God is goodness, and love, so God turns himself into a man, instead of all of humanity being subjected to hell, he suffers hell instead, on the cross where he is humiliated and spat on by the men he sought out to save, lifted up for all to see, the God man dies, seemingly defeated, but in reality he had defeated the devil and his plot in eden to seperate God and the seed of adam for all eternity. On the 3rd day he rises up from the tomb, being the only man to do so, thereby defeating death as a man. In his resurrection, it proves that all who seek out and follow him will be lifted up from the grave and be with him even beyond the end of time.
God basically used a loophole against his own rule, not changing it, its not a cheap loophole by any means(which would cheapen it), since he suffered immensely. He was beaten, spat on, humiliated by crowds of people, whipped and scourged, sleep deprived, starved, cold, naked, scared shitless, forced to carry an absurdly heavy piece of wood around the city and up a hill, nailed to it for all to see and jeer at. Not a cheap price at all.
I asked a Muslim from Istanbul what they thought about Lucifer and the angels rebelling against God.
They believe that’s simply impossible, angels are automatons, and that their equivalent of demons are Jinn, which is a very different category of being.
hurrr human brain is not able to understand gods mysteries durrr
as much as i like to read about christian history, apologists are dumb as shit and modern apologetics is more and more starting to look like creationism
It's the same in other fictional sandbox universes. It sucks.
There should be like an overseer before content gets released who makes sure it matches.
I hate retcon
They don’t believe he is the messiah. Huge difference. He is still recognized as existing, despite even that being debatable. He was a jew, who believed himself to be the fulfillment of old testament prophecy. Jews of the day didnt like this however, for a multitude of reasons, and rejected this. This led to an offshoot of judaism called Christianity.
Whole new testament is centered around the fact that he's a jew that came to fulfill the jewish rold of bringing light to the nations. Not to mention the 12 disciples, mary and joseph, paul ans list goes on. For Christ's sake seeing these type of comments remind me i gotta close my access to reddit, feel like i lose an IQ point each round
What I do know is the Torah, Psalms and Prophets all taught about the Messiah to come. Jesus is that Messiah. The first Christians were Jews that believed in the Torah's prophecies.
Therefore, it is very, very Jewish to follow the Messiah. Paul even goes so far as to say the true Jews are the ones who follow the Messiah.
Christianity is arguably just an offshoot of Judaism, similar to, say, the split between Orthodox and Roman Catholic or Protestant. I think there are some Christians who call themselves Jews or something because of this.
And from 1607 to 1776 America was part of England, despite being seperated by the Ocean. But if someone's ancestor here was one of the firsts colonists who stayed I wouldn't refer to them as English
Ok but you were asking about the original followers of Christ not contemporary Christians. And I think you would consider the original colonists English so I’m not sure what your point is.
But if someone's ancestor here was one of the firsts colonists who stayed I wouldn't refer to them as English
But then you'd be wrong. A UK guy landing in the 13 colonies is British. Otherwise, what do you make of the 20-30% of American loyalists who fought for the British during the war?
They saw themselves as Jews, and were Jews in the ethnoreligious sense. Retroactively applying Christian as a category can get a bit tricky, the historical Jesus' conception of his project is going to be vastly different from the religious movement that came after (obviously a believing Christian is going to have a different opinion).
there's a new cope on the internet saying that Jesus wasn't a jew and was from Galilee & spoke aramean. this is true but he's still jewish. he's still a descendant of Abraham and of King David, both of whom were jews.
That's the most blatant cope I've ever heard in my life.
A group of people gets their asses kicked over and over and over. Kicked out of their land multiple times. Their men killed and their women raped and enslaved. "Bro, Jewishness goes through the mothers side!"
LMAO. I've heard 8 year olds inventing rules in the middle of Monopoly that are less contrived than this.
We're an ethnicity! It goes through the mothers side though... I'm 100% Jewish even though I look like Ed Sheeran. Won't somebody think of my right to return to my homeland?
when the jews came from the reptiloid dimension in the portal blast that caused 9/11, they used their mandella machine to rewrite our history so that jesus was jewish and taught disciples the virtues of being peaceful and submissive cattle
Jesus people are usually the rudest people because they think they're protected. This guy just spent 30 nins attacking me in my DMs but then he'll go pray about it later and think its fine
We were arguing about racism and he didnt like my opinions so just called me fatherless and broke and uneducated over and over again. Most of my response was just laughing and calling him sad but he went at it for awhile lmao
You have a mental illness on top of learning disabilities all whilst posting gay fanfic of me in my DM's. Drop the stalking before I block, you ill-raised, illiterate vermin.
In uni I would tell people I met through other friends that I was hebrew, the reactions were funny af because apparently jews are somewhat rare in my region of germany.
Vlad_The_Great_2@reddit
Christ is a Jew. The fact people don’t read their own religious text is insane.
Jah_Ith_Ber@reddit
That's like saying George Washington was British.
roryc89@reddit
Yes, he was.
901_vols@reddit
You really think millions are ignorant to this , is more likely than you not having a full understanding?.
Is insane
camelyoga@reddit
he was born in israel 😭 cope
Cumsocktornado@reddit
Jesus was, in a sense, the last 'real,' Jew being the Messiah. The sole purpose of the tribes of Judah, the nation of Israel and the line of David and all of that was to ensure the lineage from which the savior would be born as promised to Eve. After the savior was born and especially once he died that ancient promise was fulfilled- he was the last to live under the Jewish law before the law itself was fulfilled in him, (better read as complete in him,) and, in doing so, saved humanity, Jew and Gentile alike.
CIK
TypicalMootis@reddit
Completely unrelated, your username conjures a horrifying image
gayblackcock@reddit
He's making a crucial point and you're looking at his username?
TypicalMootis@reddit
Yes
Cumsocktornado@reddit
I know u got my back gayblackcock
cc81@reddit
Yes, god had sacrifice himself to himself be able to change his own rules. And to made sure everyone is saved he arranged to have a handful of second/third hand witnesses write it down 60 years later so humanity absolutely would know the truth
BigBadZweihander@reddit
Not change the rules, but fulfill the rules.
There is sin in this world, a just God would punish all sin, even the slightest imperfection was not worthy of God, but humans are imperfect beings, capable of both good and bad on a whim, to subject all of humanity would be cruelty. And God is goodness, and love, so God turns himself into a man, instead of all of humanity being subjected to hell, he suffers hell instead, on the cross where he is humiliated and spat on by the men he sought out to save, lifted up for all to see, the God man dies, seemingly defeated, but in reality he had defeated the devil and his plot in eden to seperate God and the seed of adam for all eternity. On the 3rd day he rises up from the tomb, being the only man to do so, thereby defeating death as a man. In his resurrection, it proves that all who seek out and follow him will be lifted up from the grave and be with him even beyond the end of time.
God basically used a loophole against his own rule, not changing it, its not a cheap loophole by any means(which would cheapen it), since he suffered immensely. He was beaten, spat on, humiliated by crowds of people, whipped and scourged, sleep deprived, starved, cold, naked, scared shitless, forced to carry an absurdly heavy piece of wood around the city and up a hill, nailed to it for all to see and jeer at. Not a cheap price at all.
tastybabyhands@reddit
Why would you need to sacrifice yourself to do or change anything if you are all powerful tho? And how did peasants know how to read and write?
Sanguine_Pup@reddit
Not to mention completely incompatible lore.
I asked a Muslim from Istanbul what they thought about Lucifer and the angels rebelling against God.
They believe that’s simply impossible, angels are automatons, and that their equivalent of demons are Jinn, which is a very different category of being.
nikoll-toma@reddit
as much as i like to read about christian history, apologists are dumb as shit and modern apologetics is more and more starting to look like creationism
Sanguine_Pup@reddit
What?
CodSoggy7238@reddit
It's the same in other fictional sandbox universes. It sucks. There should be like an overseer before content gets released who makes sure it matches. I hate retcon
Silkyjoker85@reddit
Yes that’s correct.
angus22proe@reddit
Banger username. Banger comment
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No-Fan-9847@reddit
Jesus was a jew.
Sure_Confidence_6974@reddit
But jews don't believe in Jesus, he's literally Jesus, how tf does that work?
No-Fan-9847@reddit
They don’t believe he is the messiah. Huge difference. He is still recognized as existing, despite even that being debatable. He was a jew, who believed himself to be the fulfillment of old testament prophecy. Jews of the day didnt like this however, for a multitude of reasons, and rejected this. This led to an offshoot of judaism called Christianity.
Sure_Confidence_6974@reddit
So Jesus doesn't believe he was the messiah then?
No-Fan-9847@reddit
Trolling or regarded?
Alkeryn@reddit
He wasn't a jew...
chilizi@reddit
Whole new testament is centered around the fact that he's a jew that came to fulfill the jewish rold of bringing light to the nations. Not to mention the 12 disciples, mary and joseph, paul ans list goes on. For Christ's sake seeing these type of comments remind me i gotta close my access to reddit, feel like i lose an IQ point each round
Cesar_PT@reddit
most well educated american
Alkeryn@reddit
I'm not American...
Specialist_Okra2231@reddit
sloptranwnbag above me
jakegore99@reddit
“Jesus wasn’t a Jew”
deathgrinderallat@reddit
How can you remain religious after spending time on 4chan
TypicalMootis@reddit
Biblically speaking, big J was the only one that did not turn his back to god
name212321@reddit
What about the Jews that followed jesus tho
TypicalMootis@reddit
Legitimate question, are they really Jews at that point if they're devout followers of Christ?
name212321@reddit
Well its an ethno religion so they would be considered half jews
MurkyChildhood2571@reddit
What about their kids? Quarter jews?
belabacsijolvan@reddit
quote from the Wannsee conference
the-apostle@reddit
TypicalMootis@reddit
Wat
Cumsocktornado@reddit
underrated comment
therecan_be_only_one@reddit
By themselves? Yes. By other contemporaneous Jews? Probably mostly yes. By the Romans? Also yes.
Winter_Low4661@reddit
Early on they would've been cut.
TypicalMootis@reddit
If foreskin is a requirement to be Christian I have bad news for the majority of the West
theSearch4Truth@reddit
Yes. Following the Messiah is the most accurately Jewish thing you can do.
TypicalMootis@reddit
Are we talking about the same Jews?
theSearch4Truth@reddit
I dont know.
What I do know is the Torah, Psalms and Prophets all taught about the Messiah to come. Jesus is that Messiah. The first Christians were Jews that believed in the Torah's prophecies.
Therefore, it is very, very Jewish to follow the Messiah. Paul even goes so far as to say the true Jews are the ones who follow the Messiah.
TypicalMootis@reddit
Well, I learned something today. I'd say I agree
TheIronGnat@reddit
Christianity is arguably just an offshoot of Judaism, similar to, say, the split between Orthodox and Roman Catholic or Protestant. I think there are some Christians who call themselves Jews or something because of this.
forward_only@reddit
The fact that they followed Christ and considered him God made flesh made them Christian by definition. Jews do not believe Christ is God
FerretAres@reddit
For the first few hundred years of Christianity it was considered a sect of Judaism.
TypicalMootis@reddit
And from 1607 to 1776 America was part of England, despite being seperated by the Ocean. But if someone's ancestor here was one of the firsts colonists who stayed I wouldn't refer to them as English
FerretAres@reddit
Ok but you were asking about the original followers of Christ not contemporary Christians. And I think you would consider the original colonists English so I’m not sure what your point is.
TypicalMootis@reddit
I'm an idiot on reddit, posting on a 4chan sub, and I'm not Christian. I don't have a point
FerretAres@reddit
Ok so when you said legitimate question you didn’t actually want a real answer.
TypicalMootis@reddit
I can't say I was actually expecting one
arbiter12@reddit
But then you'd be wrong. A UK guy landing in the 13 colonies is British. Otherwise, what do you make of the 20-30% of American loyalists who fought for the British during the war?
TypicalMootis@reddit
Traitors
Tayschrenn@reddit
They saw themselves as Jews, and were Jews in the ethnoreligious sense. Retroactively applying Christian as a category can get a bit tricky, the historical Jesus' conception of his project is going to be vastly different from the religious movement that came after (obviously a believing Christian is going to have a different opinion).
JuanchiB@reddit
They became christians because they became followers of Christ.
SalvationSycamore@reddit
That's just because he learned a lesson from his mom: if you turn your back on the big man you'll end up pregnant
ahackercalled4chan@reddit
there's a new cope on the internet saying that Jesus wasn't a jew and was from Galilee & spoke aramean. this is true but he's still jewish. he's still a descendant of Abraham and of King David, both of whom were jews.
Stunning-Field2011@reddit
Judaism comes down the line of the mother so people should check into the religion of the women who gave them their children.
Jah_Ith_Ber@reddit
That's the most blatant cope I've ever heard in my life.
A group of people gets their asses kicked over and over and over. Kicked out of their land multiple times. Their men killed and their women raped and enslaved. "Bro, Jewishness goes through the mothers side!"
LMAO. I've heard 8 year olds inventing rules in the middle of Monopoly that are less contrived than this.
ahackercalled4chan@reddit
I'm aware. but the prophecies mention the line of Abraham and David, which is what i was referencing.
prisonsuit-rabbitman@reddit
when the jews came from the reptiloid dimension in the portal blast that caused 9/11, they used their mandella machine to rewrite our history so that jesus was jewish and taught disciples the virtues of being peaceful and submissive cattle
Theghostbuddy@reddit
This, this is the kind of schizophrenic take I come here for. Bless you sir.
Jah_Ith_Ber@reddit
I love this series of gifs. I have a collection of Alice In Wonderland ones.
ReincarnatedAyotolla@reddit
Jesus was the only good one.
Agianttruckofpizza@reddit
Mel Brooks is a pretty funny guy.
ReincarnatedAyotolla@reddit
I am more of a Mel Gibson guy.
Agianttruckofpizza@reddit
Can’t argue with that. Hacksaw Ridge is pretty great.
ReincarnatedAyotolla@reddit
I am more of a 'The Passion of Christ' kind of guy.
AmericanPatriot1776_@reddit
No way youre a jesus guy too after all the insults in my DMs youre so sad🤣😭
BurebistaDacian@reddit
The duality of man
AmericanPatriot1776_@reddit
Jesus people are usually the rudest people because they think they're protected. This guy just spent 30 nins attacking me in my DMs but then he'll go pray about it later and think its fine
Cesar_PT@reddit
send the dm print and a pic of your bussy and feet
Swimming_Register_32@reddit
Why was he attacking you about though? Was it justified? We need context
AmericanPatriot1776_@reddit
We were arguing about racism and he didnt like my opinions so just called me fatherless and broke and uneducated over and over again. Most of my response was just laughing and calling him sad but he went at it for awhile lmao
ReincarnatedAyotolla@reddit
Would gladly send screenshots of DMS but Reddit doesn't allow scroll screenshots.
AmericanPatriot1776_@reddit
Screenshot of you insulting how im fatherless and broke and me just laughing at you in response? Okay 🤣
ReincarnatedAyotolla@reddit
You have a mental illness on top of learning disabilities all whilst posting gay fanfic of me in my DM's. Drop the stalking before I block, you ill-raised, illiterate vermin.
all_hail_michael_p@reddit
Stephen Miller is calling...
ReincarnatedAyotolla@reddit
The Israeli guy? Disagree.
all_hail_michael_p@reddit
Le unlimited brown migrants are actually based...
lobotominizer@reddit
Dayummmmm
Ok_Art6263@reddit
Spot a protestant.
MetalGearXerox@reddit
In uni I would tell people I met through other friends that I was hebrew, the reactions were funny af because apparently jews are somewhat rare in my region of germany.
OrangeEvasion@reddit
NO!! My fan fiction is better than yours!
LordWetFart@reddit
*King of jews
forward_only@reddit
Least transparent psyop