While entering addresses is still painful despite a full keyboard; my Hyundai nav shows the speed limit, my gps speed, and what lanes turn or go straight at the upcoming intersection all without having to be navigating to a destination. On top of splitscreen sharing music, Bluetooth, or Android Auto. It even shows little arrows in parking lots where the aisles are one-way. Google maps in Android Auto doesn't show shit unless you're actively navigating.
?? You don't want to know what's ahead in a new area or if you can cut through on another road if there's traffic? Of course there's a destination *in mind* it's just not plugged into navigation. Do you need a disembodied voice to guide you to get to work every day?
Huh? Doesn't the Blazer EV have Android Automotive which supports voice input.... The same as Android Auto and CarPlay?
Hell I can't think of any new shipping vehicle in the US that doesn't have voice addresses input support.
There are other issues, mind you. But this is definitely not one.
It's a reply, the comment it's a reply to mentions using a silly input method.
Moreover, this doesn't matter because GM's Android Automotive has the same input options available as Android Auto and CarPlay. That is a touch based keyboard or voice input. It's the same. Therefore this line of criticism of it is completely unfounded and wrong
Again, there's plenty to complain with GM's approach. Nowhere do I dispute this. But it bugs the hell out of me that when trying to criticize something people are either flat out or wrong or worse misrepresent the situation. It makes their criticism ineffective and contributes to the shallow and useless circle jerk behavior this sub is so obsessed with these days. (And then this sub wonders why the market goes in a complete opposite direction of what it complains about.)
For instance a valid navigation criticism of GM's EVs is that since you must use the in-car system and not your phone, you must re-enter your destination when you exit the vehicle. That sucks.
Here is a use case: On my phone, I get a text with a link to a restaurant from a friend. I click on the link, see an address. I click on the address link, and it opens in Apple Maps. I click on “get directions” and see the timing. I get in my car, CarPlay fires up and suggests turning on turn by turn directions to the restaurant. I hit begin navigation and I am off and running. Can you do that with GM AA? I don’t want to have to re-enter my address using any interface in the car.
The answer is you can if you use google maps on your iPhone, because it has an option to send directions to car. It's not *quite* as simple as having carplay, but it works almost as well
Source: I have an equinox EV and an iphone
Thanks! I wasn’t trying to make a point, but I was actually just wondering what was possible. It sounds like “send to car” is just one additional step, so maybe not too bad.
Voice input is bullshit. I’m not speaking to my car (only for it to take a while to interpret the command and then not understand me anyways). I want to type.
Does the Tesla voice input suck that bad? All recent Google and Apple products I have used in this space are just as responsive as a smart phone and generally get the intended location outside of times I am searching for a place that has a name that isn't in my primary language.
Tesla has gotten worse. Used to be able to tell it “save dashcam” and while it would think I was saying “save - cam” it would still do what I wanted. But now it tries to navigate to a place by that name… meanwhile buttons always just do what I want.
And the voice search in the iX I rented was horrible… had to speak the address like a perfect robot, it took a few seconds to process each query, it would still sometimes get it wrong, and even when it got it right you still had to click on the search result to get it to actually navigate, defeating half the point.
Cool. There's also a keyboard for it. The GM solution has the same input options as CP and AA.
There are many valid issues with not allowing those. The input one isn't it.
> Doesn't the Blazer EV have Android Automotive which supports voice input...
you know what's better? Not typing, not voice commands, just selecting a location on your phone by clicking on the star on the map. Or typing the address on the phone, and getting suggestions on the fly.
In fairness, if you use google maps there is an option to send directions to your android automotive based car. Having said that, I still think it was outright hostile by GM to exclude AA/CP
You also have a map in the car. Likewise the GM solution is literally Google Maps.
Where I agree is that the disconnect between your phone, which you can use outside the vehicle, and your vehicle sucks. That's valid. The original criticism was not.
Confuses me too but GM electrics are going for a Google based infotainment system that lacks CP/AA integration. Meanwhile the traditional ICE vehicles still seem to offer CP/AA.
If you use an Android phone, what is even the issue with EVs that use native Google systems? Its essentially the same experience, at least for the first 5-10 years while the car's included 5G connection remains online without a subscription? You still have seamless access to media saved on the phone and still have seamless access to texts and phone calls.
Maybe if the SOC was shit and the native Google lagged, but as far as I know GM EVs and Teslas are the only EVs that don't allow phone mirroring right now and their hardware and software implementation is totally fine.
From my understanding, as they redesign each model vehicle, they will remove those options. Vehicles released before the announcement should still have it.
I'm aware of that but that doesn't address what I'm talking about at all.
The GM EVs support voice-based address input. The person above suggested that their Blazer EV did not... But that's just flat wrong.
The app is 99% used for charging / managing AC or dog mode / route planning / tracking vehicle location / managing maintenance work. All it did was add the ability to share something on google maps to the app and it automatically sends to my car which unlike google/apple will make sure i route to chargers as needed on my trips. It’s nice when you don’t have a shit app. The only question is if the navigation is good and I haven’t had issues 99% of the time.
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FWIIW - Carplay Ultra is not carplay, it's a super bizzare version of carplay that also runs your HVAC and gauge cluster...and if you have ever had carplay connection issues...well yeah.
> and if you have ever had carplay connection issues
This makes it sound like CarPlay will replace the car's infotainment system's OS. It does not, it runs on top of it. Disconnecting CarPlay will let you adjust X via the car's stock OS. So if you are having issues... just disconnect.
> Disconnecting CarPlay will let you adjust X via the car's stock OS. So if you are having issues... just disconnect.
That's still incredibly annoying though, especially if you it's an all or nothing thing where if Ultra doesn't work basic CarPlay functions also don't work. So if you have connection issues in the middle of a drive you have to disconnect it if you want to use the HVAC, lose your maps and music, use the HVAC, and then reconnect.
I'm constantly having issues with CarPlay no matter the car I'm in. The screen freezes, sound doesn't work through Spotify, Google Maps and Waze get stuck and my location doesn't move. I have a 13 Pro and it's fully up to date on software and it's been happening almost since the phone was new. I thought maybe it was car specific, but it does it in both my cars, my parents' cars, and in rentals. It's not incredibly common, but common enough where if it was something that took over the car's HVAC and gauge clusters it would be really really annoying.
I just learned something new. From the looks of it, you are able to pick between the two - standard CarPlay and Ultra.
Here’s the device screen on the Aston Martin showing this: https://i.imgur.com/bA4AOWD.png
So instead of disconnecting as I suggested above, you can prevent it from taking over your screen.
So how does the gauges on the screen work if Ultra is controlling everything including that, and Standard doesn't? You have to have SOMETHING running the screen, managing the HVAC, and monitoring battery SOC to use in the nav, which standard doesn't do.
The car still controls everything. CarPlay Ultra just packages it in a different interface for the user and helps control it.
Everything is all different computers talking to each other. Imagine you got a main one, that’s not your car’s infotainment system. This main computer controls *everything* about the car.
Then you got your infotainment system/computer - this computer talks to the main computer to facilitate changes that the users wants to make, and show info back to the user.
CarPlay runs on top of the infotainment system/computer. It just passes inputs in a different interface as I mentioned to change settings.
Hmm. Since the automakers don't want their gauges to look like every other manufacturer except for that limited palette and logo, leaving that in place when switching to standard CarPlay doesn't seem like something they'd like, either. Personally I don't miss it, even though I've had CarPlay in a number of vehicles, stock, and added it to my 2013 MINI and 2007 Class A RV. But it does glitch out and freeze my location in maps and Waze. Everything I could do in CarPlay I can do in the GM system in my Equinox EV. And a bit more, like this:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9XRJzwWMY4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9XRJzwWMY4)
I dont know why you're having so many issues with carplay, ive had it on 2 cars now (Focus St wired, Bolt EUV wireless) and 3 iphones and could count on one hand how many times ive had problems.
It's at least once a week. I thought it was maybe because I was on an old iOS so I updated and all the issues persisted. It's happened with a Mercedes, VW, Cadillac, Subaru, Kia, and Toyota. Wired or wireless, doesn't make a difference.
It can’t skip the middleman because CarPlay Ultra goes with you when you leave the car. CarPlay just changes the UI for most vehicle functions to something more familiar to the user.
Sure, in the industry we'd call this a vehicle abstraction layer. You're always going to have some OEM involvement integrating this sort of system, but from the customer perspective this is irrelevant to the customer.
I honestly would rather just have good old fashioned analog instrument clusters. For HVAC thats ok for it to use voice controls to adjust settings. I also understand that Carplay Ultra having that level of control opens up lots of new cybersecurity issues.
It's crazy how big the disconnect is between manufacturers and most car owners. Maybe the issue is just how different tastes and incentives are for new car vs used car buyers, but I genuinely feel like most buyers don't want most electronic crap they put on cars nowadays.
I recently drove a late model BMW X-series and it was insane how bad the electronic nannies were. There were a million useless buttons and screens that did everything but what I wanted them to do, the seatbelts tug the shit out of your shoulder when you start driving as some kind of pre-tensioning system, and the overall driving experience was beyond numb and disconnected. Was watching a review for the car where they were talking about a $4k repair for the head unit due to a bluetooth chip failure which cause Carplay to no longer work.
Holy shit. I'd much rather just buy an old car at this point and slap a $300 carplay-compatible head unit and rearview camera kit on it and call it good, that's all the tech I want. Everything else should be as simple and reliable as possible.
I hate to break it to you, but the buyer survey data proves you're wrong here. Car buyers HATE touchscreens, and provably so.
Automakers rushed to put them in because of how fucking cheap they are, and the cost savings were too good to pass up. But nearly every major brand has already admitted they screwed up, and they're changing back because consumers have complained so much about it.
[https://futurism.com/the-byte/people-hate-touch-screens-used-cars-knobs-buttons](https://futurism.com/the-byte/people-hate-touch-screens-used-cars-knobs-buttons)
[https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/hyundai-going-back-to-buttons-because-american-buyers-dont-like-touchscreens/](https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/hyundai-going-back-to-buttons-because-american-buyers-dont-like-touchscreens/)
Anecdotal of course, but I haven't spoken to a single person who likes having HVAC controls on a touchscreen. I've heard multiple, very non-reddit, people at work complain about it when they've gotten new cars. They LOVE the screens, think they're super flashy and all that, but just can't understand why there aren't physical controls for things as well.
I have no issue with them *when done properly.* If they have an auto mode that actually works, and temp adjustments are permanently on the screen, it’s fine. It’s when things are buried in menus and the car can’t keep temperature to save its life that it’s a problem.
That's basically the only thing that we reasonably complain about. I actually don't mind it tbh, though it needs to be always accessible and have automatic climate.
But stuff like a screen in place of the instrument cluster, which is what op was complaining about? That's actually really nice, you can change what you see an the position of the various items plus you can have the speed on the display, which I find more readable than with dials.
Yeah, I actually really like the 100% screen instrument cluster on my car BECAUSE I can easily change it to show exactly what I want it to.
Meanwhile the 2017 M240i I traded in for this vehicle had physical gauges but not one of them could tell you any of the various important temperatures on the car. Seriously, they have no temperature gauges or monitors and no way at all to access them without reprogramming the car yourself to un-hide that information.
It's true, but there really is a disconnect between what the manufacturers are incentivized to make and what most car buyers want. Most owners did not buy their car new. There is a reason why manual cars command a significant premium over autos in the used car market right now, or why some vehicles depreciate more or less than others. That's not to say that most people want manuals, but certainly the demand is higher than the supply.
To some extent manufacturers are concerned about lease residuals which are directly linked to resale value and depreciation. Part of why BMW completely overhauled their lineup to try to improve reliability
The new BMWs are horrendous for that and I hate it. I was really surprised the new Supra doesn’t have any of that. There’s CarPlay, and a very unobtrusive lane assist that you can disable if you want. Other than that, just revs.
Drove an X5 loaner, love iDrive 8.5
The UI/UX is full of character and easy to use. Like you can even see the signal turned on in your in screen model, that’s how detailed it is.
I only dislike the lack of buttons. They should definitely be redundant buttons.
I wouldn't mind physical buttons for AC, but honestly the auto climate system works well enough that I rarely ever need to adjust.
And I too like the general design of idrive, and having a digital cluster lets you have different designs for saying daily driving and tracking. And I can toss up more relevant info on the dash like tire pressure/heat and stuff.
Though I wouldn't mind some extra customization, some of the telemetry stuff is just silly and I wouldn't mind to be able to select just what I want.
I also went in expecting to absolutely hate the Mini OS9 and was pleasantly surprised. It’s hardly perfect and there are couple places where I felt they could’ve used less graphics designers and more UI designers. But it was the first touch centric system outside of Tesla that I found usable. Granted, I’d rather use MazdaConnect 2.0 for a more driver focused system, but I also see the priority is a little different between a Miata and a Mini Cooper or a 3 Series. Both good in different ways.
I recently had to buy a new car and got a Subaru. They did it right, sort of. Their actual infotainment app sucks, but I use CarPlay so that’s great. AC, volume, tune, and others are all physical buttons. The only thing the touchscreen controls is music
It’s a great functional car so far! I got a crosstrek, so not sure how well it compares to the Outback.
The whole drivetrain is a disappointment to be honest. I got the 2.5L in mine and it’s still pretty sluggish. But I average like 25 mpg doing stop and go highway traffic during rush hour, so not too bad.
This car would be a more enjoyable drive if it had a turbo or just a bit more acceleration. I don’t particularly like the CVT, but it’s hard to find a new/newish car (not older than 2020) that doesn’t use a CVT.
I was specifically looking for a daily commuter that I can go camping with. So it works great for that, but every car I could find within my price range and condition were CVTs. It’s a disappointment but I can get over that.
It’s a pretty standard BMW in terms of controls. Once you own one for a while you know what all the buttons do and they’re very useful.
It sounds like you got into a modern luxury suv and are disappointed it’s not an old sports car.
You can thank the “seatbelts are unsafe” crowd for the tug.
It’s to check if the seatbelt is buckled or if they put one of the buckle things in. IIRC on VWs it throws an seatbelt/SRS light that has to be cleared at the dealer (I generally don’t like that, but forcing those dumbfucks to explain why and what did it, then getting charged for a repair not covered by the warranty, I’m ok with) not sure on BMWs.
It maintains tension the entire drive. The initial high tension tug, afaik, is to measure body size. Supposedly if you own it for a while it will adjust to your body size a little bit, but still yank and then loosen a bit every time you start moving. It was very disconcerting to me, I don't like when cars do things I don't tell them to do.
CarPlay Ultra runs locally on the vehicle's hardware, as opposed to standard CarPlay which transmits a video stream to the car's infotainment and receives touch/button events back. After the initial setup your phone will not need to be connected or even in the car for CarPlay Ultra to run.
lol I've had my OEM head units in high-end (not base) modern Porsches and Mercedes randomly reboot when they felt like it.
Never had an issue with CarPlay, though.
The nav on my car is better than the CarPlay one (tried various apps) if only bc you can pinch to zoom. But it isn’t $400 a year better (active traffic nav is 3rd of sequential subs you need for internet, basic features, then nav full feature).
I looked it up bc it was so annoying and what I found said that it is possible but that the car’s system has to allow it. I try it on every car I’ve driven and none allow it so idk if that was true at all.
They just announced support for it on the CarPlay side at WWDC but it will require the vehicle to 1) support multitouch for its screen and 2) update the infotainment software to transmit those touch events to the phone.
I have a radar detector that gives me active police alerts and I live in the Midwest, so construction is guaranteed.
That being said, the built in nav on my F30 BMW had construction and traffic alerts (before the 3G networks were shut down despite BMW knowing that would happen) as part of ConnectedDrive.
> I have a radar detector that gives me active police alerts
AFAIK there's no LIDAR detector that can notify you before the police system has already detected your speed, so Waze is unbeatable in that scenario.
I get them on Waze and they have not helped even once. The car nav, when it was active, did active routing based on issues that slowed traffic and had light cameras and such. But I’m also in an area without much police or weather activity. More than a worthy trade off here for an easier and better interface. And the voice controls were far superior, as was the ease of texting addresses direct to the nav instead of having to cut paste and it often not working right. Though I will admit most oem systems I’ve tried were pretty bad.
This is specifically about CarPlay Ultra. Most of the same manufacturers will still support regular CarPlay, so alternative music, text, maps apps, etc. will still be available.
I personally think CarPlay in its present form is fine, but I don’t really see much of an up side to Ultra. I see little value in having an “applefied” display of vehicle functions.
Let's open it up the other way around: does Apple offer the possibility to use something else than iOS on their devices?
No bro don't use Linux I swear bro pay for our app store and the 30% cut
Its much less about subscriptions and much more about wanting sole control of telematics. OEMs are forecasting that selling vehicle data (telematics, app usage, location data, etc.) is going to be a billion dollar business for them when mature.
Car Play and AA send a lot of valuable data through your phone and phone connection and outside of the reach of the OEMs. That gets even worse if even vehicle telematics is controlled by Apple.
Here bro, pay me a monthly fee to warm those cheeks bro, don’t worry bro, here bro subscribe the Sirius XM bro, no bro it’s dangerous to work on your own car, let our techs work on it bro, we have free shitty coffee bro.
Automakers have no business forcing their tech crap on us. I have a 2025 Silverado 2500 ZR2 with GMs built in google apps system. It is so friggin slow that it’s infuriating to use. I swear they went back 10 years and bought the guts of the slowest android tablets of that era and put it into the head unit. Then to top it off they want you to pay for a friggin data subscription through them to make the built in apps work.
Cars already have that now. The question is do we want a car company to put menus of bullshit or a subscription paywall in front of each simple control or do we want Apple, who has done this for decades and quite well at that, to make it easy for everyone? If Apple can stop the subscription bs then that's the side I'll stand on
>Automakers like Renault don’t want CarPlay Ultra in its cars as the tech allows outside companies to access more vehicle data, while replacing automakers’ own controls for features like the climate control. Beyond this apparent intrusion, automakers are also keen to exploit in-car services as a revenue source, offering customers the option of paying for new features, whether long-term or temporarily
I just want to drive my car, see the map on the screen, and control the AC
Instead, they milk my data and money like a cash cow so I can drive to work everyday
The auto/tech industry sucks
Not that I would side with auto manufacturers on this, but it costs a lot to develop an infotainment system and they never make any money back on it, so this is how they often justify the data collection, subscriptions, etc. Most software engineers are paid to produce software that produces cash flow in one way or another in other industries. I kinda don’t see this changing for cars soon. Hope I’m wrong.
> they never make any money back on it
What? It's a part of the car they sell. They don't make any money back on developing new control arms either by that logic.
The internet-connected data services and long-term OTA update support cost money while long-term support of a control arm does not. Could automakers fix this by putting less tech in cars? Sure, but a lot of what drives consumer demand is access to convenience features provided by the manufacturer.
Every infotainment discourse I see on this sub often results in me concluding this way (with the double DIN being a radio delete). Except that's not possible in the U.S. due to the rear-view camera mandate.
Oh wait. [Just adopt what GT3 race cars already do to comply with the rear-view camera requirements, minus the arrows thing.](https://api.lemans.org/media/cache/component_photo_1600/assets/fileuploads/66/64/66645dbbd3598.jpg)
The shitificstion of industries recently has been brutal, between everything becoming a subscription service and tech just being over complicated and clunky it’s time to get away from it and go back
The difference was felt so starkly for me when I recently got my '03 e46.
Honestly experiencing this interior was genuinely the most *"oh my god, I get it"* moment to me. Everything is so tactile and intuitive and robust and analogue and it just makes fucking sense.
This 21 year old car blows the hell out of every single new and "modern" car I've had my entire adult life. At least from an instruments and interior functionality standpoint.
How did we regress so far from this.
I remember when new stuff was fun and tech was cool. Now its all just a giant data mining scheme that you pay for the privilege of getting to use each month. Nothing is sacred anymore, at this point your fridge is probably listening to you and transmitting your diet to corporations worldwide
I agree and I'm really getting sick of it
Apple wants car telemetry data. OEMs won't give it to them thinking it's theirs.
It's actually the customer's data. The phonemaker and the automaker are tussling over shit that is not theirs to begin with.
What telemetry data does Apple want that they can’t derive from the device itself? Your speed? That’s just GPS and math. Your location or destination? GPS. Favorite services? The phone has all of that.
Who knows. But getting it is the hardest part. Maybe they can figure out that if someone has the AC on high, they are a fraction of a percent more likely to respond positively to an ice cream ad.
Apple don't care about piddly shit like that. They simply want to expand into and dominate a new market to increase the inescapable net that is their ecosystem.
Inescapable? You can use an iPhone with GMail, Spotify, Microsoft Authenticator, and a million other third party apps.
Switching sides has been trivial for a decade now.
Hyperbole sure, but I'm describing how the "apple ecosystem" functions at large as some supposedly seamless set of interfaces. Not that you can't circumvent it or just exit if you really want to.
> Switching sides has been trivial for a decade now.
For many it's not. For many they barely know how to use their phones/tablets/computers. And the fact that certain ones just "meld" (in their mind) means they'll never have to, or want to.
In EV's it could be battery percentage and some kind of access to start pre heating, Teslas are wildly successful in large part to the fact these are all integrated, you put in your destination and it automatically routes you to chargers at the appropriate times and preheats the battery when you're close to minimise charging time. Tesla specifically doesn't offer carplay to force you to use the proprietary software, I can see Apple wanting to be able to offer a equivalent level of usability to get their foot in the door with more OEMs.
Carplay takes over wifi and BT.... two services that can determine your location (for apple AND apps) when location is turned off. If you have notifications enabled for any apps, those can also transmit location.
What makes you think Apple wants that data? My reason the situation is that Apple is more interested in licensing fees from automakers than data because they’ve made user privacy a strategic initiative.
But what about the data?
My whole point is that Apple is making their money by keeping you locked into their ecosystem and buying their hardware. They don’t want or need your data because that’s not how they make their money.
It's not about whether you're right or wrong. Your comment doesn't follow from the one you replied to. Someone claimed that Apple wanted Carplay Ultra in everything to harvest user data, and you chimed in saying that Apple wants people using Carplay to be locked into their ecosystem. Those are different topics.
It's like if someone asks you what the weather is like and you reply that all squares are rectangles. Your statement is correct, but it's also not useful.
why are you downvoted? this is the truth. they provide it (as well as development assistance) for free because the subscription revenue is worth it tenfold.
Also based on the article those particular carmakers want to monetize certain features behind subscriptions and they believe CarPlay Ultra would make it harder for them to do so.
Some people are like “Apple wants your information.”
I don’t think that this is it at all.
Apple HAS your information. That pocket computer is following you when you’re in your car and everywhere else. You might also have a watch, so it’s also listening to your body more than you are most of the time.
I think that this is more about manufacturers preserving what they deem as their “user experience.” More and more your experience driving is determined by the electronics, and by making it all “the same” which is to say “apple dashboard” then you are taking a HUGE part of why someone might buy one brand over another.
Think about TVs. If you have a Roku or Apple TV or whatever, your TV is just a monitor. Half of the marketing BS about what “smart features” their TV has is entirely irrelevant to an increasing number of consumers. I care about the quality of the panel, its size, etc. but I don’t care about what version of LG’s android it’s running or even what microchip it has in it as long as it hits whatever performance benchmarks I care about.
It might very well be the same, except sooner or later cars are going to mostly all be EVs and electric motors will also make performance largely a spec line: how fast? How big a battery? Besides that it will be form factor and how comfortable the seats are… they want to be able to keep their “identity” on the dash as much as possible.
I agree it’s an issue but does ultra allow custom Skins? Seems like a huge fail if they don’t. I don’t want a generic dash either. Manufacturers could have their own. Users could pick that or the apple one. Hopefully users could make or download skins. Ive seen some android based dash replacements that allow really cool customization.
Its not in the article. And the AM video doesn’t really address it other than minor tweaks. Granted it might be in the keynote, but I don’t have time to dig through that. It also would have been quicker to answer the question than give a snarky ‘did you google it’ response. Great everyone look at him. He’s so smart and unhelpful.
“I don’t have time to dig through that” but you had time to read an entire article, watch the video, and reply back to my comment. Hmmm.
Yeah, googling was far quicker than asking someone to basically google it for you. Anyways, here’s the answer you were looking for:
Apple CarPlay Ultra introduces customizable "skins" that allow automakers to tailor the user interface of the instrument cluster and other screens to match their brand aesthetic while integrating iPhone features deeply into the car's systems. These skins extend beyond the main infotainment screen to include the gauge cluster, climate controls, and other vehicle functions.
Give me my contribution award now.
I switched to a Chevrolet Equinox EV that doesn’t have CarPlay and to be honest, it’s been perfectly fine. It integrates nice, gives good range estimates, the map takes up the whole screen etc etc. I don’t miss CarPlay at all.
The PROBLEM is that while I currently have it free for the entire lease term, there’s no effing way I would ever want to pay for it. That was the nice thing about car play is you use your phone which has most of the features anyway. I’m already paying the car company for the car, why do I now have to pay them to use different parts of the car. Absurd.
You don't use Spotify/YTMusic/Audible?
You don't want messages to be read to you and to which you can immediately reply text to speech?
You don't possibly prefer a different navigation system like Google maps or Waze?
One of my cars even has inbuilt google systems and obviously it works great, but it can never ever replace CarPlay
I also much prefer the CarPlay UI, the ability to go "split screen"?
I also have an equinox EV and it can do literally everything you mentioned. Don't get me wrong, it's offensive that GM excluded CP/AA, but it's not an overall terrible experience
BMWs system lets me have both at once. CarPlay runs in the background and you can seamlessly swap. You can also use its map, but I prefer the car’s version since it’s darker and not so bulbous, and keeps extraneous info out. I don’t stream music because that uses data and is lower quality. I have a USB solid state drive in the centre console that has all of my music on it at higher quality. But I can use CarPlay when I need a text read to me which is almost never. I don’t reply even by voice though since I’m driving and prefer to focus on the road.
None of the things you listed are exclusive to carplay except maybe iMessage (probably restricted by Apple).
I use and support Carplay, but there’s nothing inherently wrong with a manufacture focusing on built-in infotainment. The problem is they’re usually shitty and/or locked behind a subscription.
Why the hell would I want to ever respond to texts while I'm driving? I leave my phone on DND most of the time and while driving is a really good excuse to not be bothered by notifications.
I swear, do people ENJOY notifications?
Some of us need to answer important calls or messages while also driving
Ain't gonna respond to my client an hour later because I'm stuck in traffic or an hour long post-arrival phone session responding to each employee and/or customer
If you are on your way home, or from the store and your significant other needs you to pick something up it would be nice to get a notification before pulling in the driveway.
>You don't use Spotify/YTMusic/Audible?
>You don't want messages to be read to you and to which you can immediately reply text to speech?
>You don't possibly prefer a different navigation system like Google maps or Waze?
The GM system does all of these natively...
Spotify/ YT goes over bluetooth automatically.
I almost never use the messaging functionality.
The navigation i sometimes prefer google maps and sometimes OEM.
The infotainment in my Golf is very well done so really i rarely use google maps.
How come you can't zoom out in Google maps in Carplay like you can with Android Auto? So frustrating. Or is that just my wife's iPhone?
She's always like "my phone doesn't do that!" when her phone is linked to the screen.
Its actually wild. I have an android for personal and an Iphone for work, and the car play experience is so sub par compared to android auto its laughable. I can't even scroll all my albums on car play. The worst android makes me do it wait for the 'safety pause'.
Really? I have only been using Waze and Gmaps since Apple Maps is known to provide quirky navigation experience in my region. Might need to check it out.
I am using some oldish aftermarket head unit not one that comes with the car, so that might be cause for some differences, but yeah I can pan around the map, zoom, pretty much everything. But I can’t on Google maps, and I have not tried Waze. Primarily using Apple cuz I had an issue with Waze beeping randomly (yes I did disable all the pings in settings, still beeped randomly) and Google didn’t tell me about cops (but I believe now it does, idk if they hooked into Waze since they own it or if it’s separate but it didn’t alert at the time. Had both Apple and Google running and Apple would alert me like 10x as much so I just switched)
Which is so bizarre because it makes it WAY more distracting. It takes like 4 taps and watching it to zoom a map out on carplay. It is slower and you are more distracted. And if you need to navigate with that map, there is no 'just don't do that' The whole thing is like that. Want to enter an address? "Sorry, I don't have a connection to process your voice" 1/4 mile later. Keyboards are literally less distracting.
You can zoom out the UI just doesn’t make it obvious. There’s a button or icon you tap which puts you in a mode that allows you to move the map around in CarPlay. When in this mode the zoom in/out buttons also appear.
Every time I need to zoom out I do a little dance with my fingers since I forget how to do it, it’s so annoying.
Not to mention GM is already behind on updates. If you have a 2025 blazer SS you have updated software that allows you to have apps like Amazon Prime Video. But 2024 Blazers don't have that update yet. An ominous sign for future support in a few years.
They are slow on over the air updates but go complain at the dealership that you want the latest infotainment due to bugs and missing features and likely you'll get the latest update through service.
I actually listen to SiriusXM or a podcast. Occasionally listen to Apple Music playlist which is definitely suboptimal on there.
Messages are read to me and I can reply.
Chevys system uses Google Maps which works perfectly fine for me. It also has Waze but the range estimates are only integrated in to Google Maps.
It also does have split screen to where I can have the song on the left and map on the right. Or I can change the screen behind the steering wheel to have the map.
Ok, gotta admit, doesn't sound bad at all. I probably just don't like change, like an old man.
Besides the fact its paid after a certain amount of time
If you have an android phone, you will notice almost no difference. It's just all the apps on your phone are now native to the car screen. Also in the future more apps will be added to the car screen. iPhone users might find it a bit more annoying but I'm sure it will be more normal later.
Only problem is you may have to pay for data plan later to use those features. Unless they all you to tether your phone data instead
The other issue that I can see is the automakers dropping support after a while, so you get outdated apps or laggy software. While as long as you have CarPlay you’re good, no matter how old your car is (until they release car play 2 or something)
I’d wager that, since these infotainment systems are all running Android Automotive, that somebody will figure out a way to upload your own apps from the Play Store and then hack CarPlay into it. Just gotta wait, and possibly void a warranty or two in the process.
[Someone already did](https://insideevs.com/news/742325/wams-carplay-kit-ev-ultium/
) but took it down for unclear reasons (probably GM forcing them to).
I think when the free subscription runs out, the whole thing will be out of warranty anyway, so hackers or the aftermarket will likely be able to fill a massive void.
Car play and android auto will improve with continual updates and be faster with new phones etc as well.
We all know that built in systems will be abandoned after a couple years and never improve. Even if they do start to charge for it.
CarPlay ultra runs a mix locally on the cars hardware and using your phone for a few things like navigation. Much more reliant on the car manufacturer than normal car play.
What this means long term? Who really knows.
Alternatively, I have a Blazer EV and I miss CarPlay every day. Bluetooth randomly nixes my playback, I want my maps on the car rather than Google Maps.
And this is just a knock on Chevy: why do I need a subscription to remote start my car to cool it down during the summer? My Ford isn’t even an EV and doesn’t require a subscription.
The ford subscription is just a free trial, my Mach E says after 2 years I need to pay $10/mo.
FWIIW - IDK why people ever thought it would be free - Cellular data costs a LOT of money.
Rovers a subscription for remote start. My understanding is its mostly the cost for the sim card in the car plus whatever profit margin rover is adding on top. Which I don't think is much, like 10% maybe? I'd have to double check what the subscription cost is and then check what a data only plan from Rogers or someone is.
A friend of mine has a blazer and has had a lot of infotainment issues as well. No clue why there’s an experience gap between the blazer and equinox. You’d think it’s virtually the same thing.
No way you can convince me this is a real opinion, CarPlay is the best innovation I’ve had in my cars in forever and has virtually removed my need to ever pickup my phone or look at it when I’m driving. The safety reason itself is why I’ll never not drive a car without it.
I don’t need to pick up my phone with my current system. However, as it’s been pointed out, once the trial runs out and the system ages it probably won’t be great.
Hey man, the first paragraph was great. Delete the second one and this post is good. By the way Dave said to stop by his office this afternoon. He says he wants to talk to you about posting more Chevy glaze comments on Facebook. We’re really losing the battle with Toyota and Ford there.
My wife and I bought a Lyriq recently which has Carplay on top of the same system. We both insisted we needed Carplay and I kept ranting about how it was so silly that they got rid of it.
We never use Carplay. The voice control works well for maps and Spotify and that's about all I do aside from phone calls or ignoring texts.
I think I "get" it for like 7 years for free and then after that it's allegedly paid. However, it's a 2 year lease for me so I'm covered the length of the lease.
Sure, they want to charge for extra features with really poor or none existant UX. Cars UI are the equivalent to emails HTML5 capacities... they think it looks nice, are a pain in the ass to program and they use tech that has been outdated for at least 10+ years.
Sure I want to use your sheetty UI with a very laggy response. Sure I'll like that, oh and you'll charge me an extra feed for my already expensive vehicle? Sure I want that
I bet low tech car companies or the ones that do not want to spent lots of money or making their UI and UX will adopt that while high end car brands will reject it and after loosing market share due to that decision will finally adopt it. Let's remember what happened with Nokia, Motorola, BlackBerry... they tried to defend their own OS even BlackBerry tried to fight against Android, also Nokia went with Windows Phone and now BlackBerry is gone and Nokia devices use Android.
> Beyond this apparent intrusion, automakers are also **keen to exploit in-car services as a revenue source, offering customers the option of paying for new features**
There you go
"CarPlay Ultra" is the one that takes over the dashboard and infotainment. Too many people are commenting (including elsewhere) thinking about the infotainment only option.
I kind of agree with the automakers here. The OEM instrument cluster would have to be stable and it's not going to change visually because some UI/UX designer at Apple thinks they need a raise.
Best though is physical gauges in the instrument cluster with a center screen for trip computer/fuel economy/alerts/etc., but that ship has sailed.
This is a misunderstanding of how CarPlay Ultra works. Yes it replaces the dashboard but carmakers have completely control over the UI/UX. It's highly customizable, and Apple is completely transparent with developer guides posted online. The only difference is offloading the software development to Apple instead of having that as an additional in-house cost. It's a win-win.
The only reason an automaker wouldn't want to do it is if they plan on monetizing the dashboard behind a subscription model.
I very much lamented the loss of physical indicators in my most recent car purchase (a used 5-series bmw). I look at enough screens all day, didn’t want MORE screens in front of me. I still don’t.
Now, what I realized was that I really don’t look at my dash very much. I do have a heads-up display, but that usually just yells at me that I’m (a little) over the speed limit.
Truthfully, most in car displays, especially outside of the standard CarPlay stuff is pretty superfluous. It’s just Boomer marketing gimmicks and shit.
Unpopular opinion but CarPlay is kinda trash. Native apps like Spotify in the infotainment would be much better. CarPlay puts a big burden on your phone. It’s not just sending some information and then the car’s infotainment handles the display, no, CarPlay is your phone projecting an entire display. It’s fine for short drives like most people go on, but if you drive a lot/for a long time, you’ll notice even a new iPhone gets hot and uses a lot more battery than just regular Bluetooth. That’s to be expected, sure, but it’s too much for me
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This, this is what consumers actually want. Throw a phone mount in with a physical connector that charges and plays music. Done.
Completely agree. The ideal solution, IMO, would be a build-in, horizontal phone mount on the dash that could be covered/uncovered as desired. The mount would charge the phone and wireless BT would handle the integration with the car's audio system.
It’d be hilariously sad if only exotic automakers had CarPlay ultra while the other brands stuck to their cheap and buggy UIs just to scrape every last drop of data from you.
Like you got Chevy saying noooo ultra on the suburban would be bad for the user noooo and then Aston Martin is just like yo check out this Apple-like tachometer and speedometer on your dash we even got the color matched it to your car.
Fully half the comments in here: “I don’t currently know anything about CarPlay Ultra and I’m not going to read the article but I do want to let you all know where I stand on this issue”
My wife’s Tesla Model Y doesn’t have CarPlay and it drives me *nuts*. The navigation is worse, the dictation sucks, and the notification system is severely lacking.
You pay premium dollars for a premium vehicle that has it's own sim card and its own satellite link working real time, cloud based crowd sourced data...
Why would you keep yourself anchored to the phone?
I'll tell you why. It's because that's exactly what the phone people engineered. For you to have to rely on the phone for navigation, streaming, and maps.
The car is better at these operations. Is better at it and, drives too!
CarPlay is generic. It's the same experience in a six figure lux'd out performance car as it is in the last hooptie econobox rental car on the lot. Apple and Google have done a number on people.
I've never used a car navigation system that was even remotely as good as Android Auto. They are all ass. BMW has pretty good infotainment software and their implementation of Spotify in there is also significantly more of a pain than the phone version.
So no. I disagree with you strongly on every point you made.
Several years ago, BMW, Audi and MB bought Nokia's mapping technology. The system operates in real time, is cloud based, crowd sourced and highly functional.
It alerts to changes in the road surface, it alerts to emergency vehicles, it alerts to accidents and performs reroutes on the go. You even get alerts to speed traps.
Android Auto, CarPlay and Waze rested on their laurels, meanwhile, auto manufactures have moved ahead of 3rd party app phone navigation systems. It's why they're confident about pushing them out of the car.
To say they're ass says to me you've been using AndroidAuto for so long that you don't know how well the likes of BMW ConnectedDrive navigation is performing at this point.
Spotify, on ConnectedDrive, is wildly simple to utilize. You get in, turn the car on and instantly, there's Spotify. Playlists appear instantly. Recent songs appear, instantly. The last track that was on, picks right up where it was when the car was turned off and does it, instantly.
Everything you mentioned also happens in Android Auto. I get literally every single thing you listed. On top of that, I search something in Google Maps on my PC it shows up on Android Auto when I get in the car.
Comparatively, the vehicle systems are inferior to the Android Auto. I can't speak to Car Play because I don't use Apple.
It’s not about what the automakers want. It’s about what the customers want. If a customer wants it, they will buy a car that has it. If you decide the car you make doesn’t have a feature that people want, you shouldn’t be surprised when people are buying something else.
I really couldn't car less about CarPlay or more relevantly AndroidAuto, I listen to Minidiscs, CD's and DAB for music & use my phone in a cradle as a sat nav. I did think before I read the article that it was because they didn't want intrusive CarPlay screens instead of their own, but of course it's more cynical subscriptions for trivial car functions.
They don't want to lose control while duplicating dev costs. It's understandable. But legacy automakers, particularly American, are bad at front end software. (I don't want to discount all the code that goes into any car behind the human interface)
There are exceptions. I prefer BMW’s interface to CarPlay for most things. It’s thoughtfully darker and less distracting than the immutable CarPlay UI and looks more grown up and interesting to boot. I also find iOS UX to be super boring so I’m biased.
I don’t need CarPlay to control the gauge cluster and vital components of the car. That’s just asking for issues and what happens if your phone isn’t with you? Does it just revert to the standard cluster? CarPlay is great as it is. I’m not sure why it should be anything more…
I think you're a little confused, this isn't like Android Automotive (not to be confused with Android Auto), an OS that runs on the car.
This works exactly like normal CarPlay (broadcasted from the phone and displayed on the car's interface) except it also works on the gauge cluster and has the ability to interface with other parts of the car like the A/C.
They want to monetize the data you’d generate instead of giving it to Apple/Google.
Even though consumers overwhelmingly prefer CarPlat/Android Auto to any OEM system.
This is exactly why removable head units of the past were such a good thing - you could retrofit new technology if you really wanted to. Now radio is baked into infotainment, so you're basically screwed if your car didn't have carplay from the factory.
The 2 big disadvantages of removable head units were that you often had to choose between buttons and screen size and they rarely looked integrated with the car. It works on older cars, but with the way car interiors are designed today, most of the headunits would look out of place.
IIRC, the biggest screen size you're likely to get on a double DIN unit was around 7" or so, unless you went with a pop up single DIN or some no-name Chinese Android unit that was "custom" to your car.
The lack of cohesion with modern car interiors is part of what I'm complaining about! Even cars from a decade ago have quite a few OEM-ish options on the aftermarket, especially if you're willing to buy a custom dash panel to properly integrate it, but doing something like that is nearly impossible on most modern cars with how integrated the touchscreens are to the rest of the car.
I remember the removable head units, and yes, they were a shit show, but an even bigger shit show were the non-modular consoles of the 90s, with their huge rounded buttons and no ability to do anything to the stereo, etc.
Imagine if you just had a physical control, that you knew by feel where it was, and could press it one, two, or three times depending on how hot you wanted your seat. You wouldn't even have to look down! I bet they could charge a lot for something so convenient and safe
From what I understand from hearing it discussed in open issues meetings...Apple Carplay already has some really strict latency and other hardware and software requirements and Apple is generally really difficult to work with. I can't imagine how much worse it is for a more integrated system like CarPlay Ultra.
Just give me an aux jack and blue tooth adapter, sound is all I need going through the car components. I don't even wanna connect to the vehicle directly.
I think it could make sense for consumers, but I think ultimately we need some regulation in this area to make sure that cars have infotainment systems that are future-proof and secure.
>Automakers like Renault don’t want CarPlay Ultra in its cars as the tech allows outside companies to access more vehicle data, while replacing automakers’ own controls for features like the climate control.
I hate this data collecting/selling nonsense. Modern marketing is a black hole that destroys all it touches.
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