Srsly if your a race of space murdering genocide whatever the fck they were, lizards maybe? Fuck you, you deserved to be wiped out. Remember kids there is always someone bigger and badder out there in the universe. Don't be a total dick.
I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM
I always wished they'd delve into stories with these alien species. There's quite a few interesting characters that only got a 1 & done. Id also like more on the Q. Voyager gave us the most we've seen how the Q operate.
I liked this epi. Wasn't it drawing similarities from Hitler, Mussolini and Mao Zedong? My thoughts were that each leader was in the doing what they thought were maybe the best intentions, but similarly, each was also provoked into what would inevitably be 'provoked' into destroying many more than they intended? I dunno. This is as far as my mind takes me. (Although Hitler was the sole stand out of this, since he intended to rule the world)
No, that’s really the circumstances of the episode.
In the episode, his character is a supreme (almost Q like) being with immense power. However, he’s also a staunch pacifist who refused to engage in any sort of violence. So when the Husnuk attack, he doesn’t fight or resist along with the other people in his community. It’s only after his wife is killed and he sees her body that he snaps, and in a brief fit of rage totally destroys their entire species… and he regrets it immediately because, not only did he break one of his core values, but the lives he took are not equal to the lives lost.
The final scene with Picard is him grappling with the fact that he’s a monster, and he knows he’s a monster. He resurrected an image of his wife and home to play house with, but he knows it’s a fantasy.
He's powerful enough to cause death and destruction on a scale we can't even comprehend, but not powerful enough to put back together what he broke. The universe is capricious enough as it is without having to worry about whether a being like this is going to snap. If he were a Q, he could bring his wife back, he could undo acts of destruction. Perhaps these ultra-powerful beings need someone to guide them through the stage where they're not yet powerful enough to control themselves.
That's a really good point. Having guidance in the early development of these supreme beings would certainly keep these beings from turning into monsters and if you look at Q from a certain angle, he can be considered a monster; if we look at the episode Deja Q, we can see that those who populate the Continuum aren't all bad apples because Q gets tossed out on his ass because he's basically a dick. (Lol) I'm referring to Q being a monster when he's being "tested" to see if he's really changed and then he manifests the gas cloud people and Q says something to the effect of "if you think that I was rotten to you before, you ain't seen nothing yet." But of course, Corbin Bernsen pops his head out of the wall showing that he's still watching Q.
But this subject reminds me of a an episode of TOS: 'The Squire of Gothos.' In certain Trekker circles, it's been postulated that Trelane is a child Q and his planet and everything else (including his burgeoning powers to capture the Enterprise and everyone on it) were playthings. My favorite part is at the end when his 'parents' tell him essentially, to stop teasing the mortals and come home, along with the apologies to the crew.
How do you feel about Trelane? Do you think that he's a child Q? (I think that this would make a great question on the Star Trek reddit!)
Thank you for your reply. You are, of course, correct about this, I had totally forgotten about 'Kevin's' pacifism. As committed 'Trekker,' I'm almost embarrassed to have forgotten the subtext of this episode. (I had an illness recently and it affected my memory) I wish that I had the Paramount channel. I'm way overdue to take in the show again in its entirety. (Btw, love your SN!)
It was one of my favorite episodes (when I could remember it all!) if I'm not mistaken, isn't one of the crew caught by the ankle in a trap when they try to go to the house? And Rishan tells her husband to let them down? This might be, if we stop to think about it, how the whole 'house house of cards' gets built, before it all comes crashing down when they find out who Kevin really is.
I always thought that. What? Has the Federation never heard of genocide? Prosecuting and imprisoning him, on the other hand, might prove more difficult.
This was one of the great scenes. It was as though a murder confessed to an ant. What could that ant possible do to absolve, condemn, or even respond to the revilation.
Idk. Have you really decided they're the right answer if it was only for a second or two?
I've read before that when we're undoing learned biases - let's take racism as an easy one - you might still have an initial, gut response to seeing a person you previously would've responded negatively to.
Its the second thought you have, that "No, that's not right, they're human just like me and deserve respect" that better reflects who you really are, because you recognize that you're wrong and you're working to make yourself better.
This guy had that gut reaction, but by the time that second thought popped in, he'd already acted. By the time he thought, "No, that's not right," it was too late.
And he couldn't do anything to make it better.
I think we all have those moments, we just lack the ability to react to it in a meaningful way before the self-correction thought can happen.
perrin68@reddit
Srsly if your a race of space murdering genocide whatever the fck they were, lizards maybe? Fuck you, you deserved to be wiped out. Remember kids there is always someone bigger and badder out there in the universe. Don't be a total dick.
Raterus_@reddit
I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM
usefulidiot316@reddit
Roses are red. I like your hair. I hate sand, it's rough and coarse and it gets everywhere.
pjs-1987@reddit
Roses are red
Tuskan raiders aren't people
From my point of view
The jedi are evil
zrice03@reddit
Roses are red
Anger leads to hate
Around the survivors
A perimeter create.
ZealousidealClub4119@reddit
Roses are red
Twileks are blue
Mace Windu's arrest team
Didn't have a clue
PrestegiousWolf@reddit
Roses are red, you are all dead!
Temporary-Star2619@reddit
Expanded...
Roses are red, you are all dead.
I am too sexy, per Right Said Fred.
LV2107@reddit
An omnipotent being who wipes out civilizations. Named Kevin.
Raterus_@reddit
Don't piss him off
Maganus@reddit
Husnok, you're supposed to say "Husnok."
EntertainmentMean611@reddit
Take that sand ... people
l33774rd@reddit
I always wished they'd delve into stories with these alien species. There's quite a few interesting characters that only got a 1 & done. Id also like more on the Q. Voyager gave us the most we've seen how the Q operate.
SoftSquishyGoodness@reddit
Yes, the Voyager Q episodes were rather good. 'Deathwish' is probably one of the best Q episodes in all Trek, imo of course.
Revolutionary_Kiwi31@reddit
One of my favorite Captain’s log entries to end any episode.
"I'm not certain if he should be praised or condemned, only that he should be left alone.”
SoftSquishyGoodness@reddit
Yep. Definitely one of the more profound ones.
Prudent_Leave_2171@reddit
Finds out guy in front of him is near omnipotent being who snapped for a second and wiped out an entire species.
“Yeah, we’re gonna peace out and let you play house on the desolate planet. Don’t let us keep you.”
(Backs slowly out of the room…)
Gupperz@reddit
"We have no law to fit your crime"
Bro? Genocide isn't illegal in the future? How bout just murder!
Perfect-Campaign9551@reddit
This episode had such great writing.
Just, what the hell is wrong with TV these days, we don't have writing like this. Or excellent quotes. Writers today suck so much ass.
Kiki1701@reddit
I liked this epi. Wasn't it drawing similarities from Hitler, Mussolini and Mao Zedong? My thoughts were that each leader was in the doing what they thought were maybe the best intentions, but similarly, each was also provoked into what would inevitably be 'provoked' into destroying many more than they intended? I dunno. This is as far as my mind takes me. (Although Hitler was the sole stand out of this, since he intended to rule the world)
imascarylion2018@reddit
No, that’s really the circumstances of the episode.
In the episode, his character is a supreme (almost Q like) being with immense power. However, he’s also a staunch pacifist who refused to engage in any sort of violence. So when the Husnuk attack, he doesn’t fight or resist along with the other people in his community. It’s only after his wife is killed and he sees her body that he snaps, and in a brief fit of rage totally destroys their entire species… and he regrets it immediately because, not only did he break one of his core values, but the lives he took are not equal to the lives lost.
The final scene with Picard is him grappling with the fact that he’s a monster, and he knows he’s a monster. He resurrected an image of his wife and home to play house with, but he knows it’s a fantasy.
EffectiveSalamander@reddit
He's powerful enough to cause death and destruction on a scale we can't even comprehend, but not powerful enough to put back together what he broke. The universe is capricious enough as it is without having to worry about whether a being like this is going to snap. If he were a Q, he could bring his wife back, he could undo acts of destruction. Perhaps these ultra-powerful beings need someone to guide them through the stage where they're not yet powerful enough to control themselves.
Kiki1701@reddit
That's a really good point. Having guidance in the early development of these supreme beings would certainly keep these beings from turning into monsters and if you look at Q from a certain angle, he can be considered a monster; if we look at the episode Deja Q, we can see that those who populate the Continuum aren't all bad apples because Q gets tossed out on his ass because he's basically a dick. (Lol) I'm referring to Q being a monster when he's being "tested" to see if he's really changed and then he manifests the gas cloud people and Q says something to the effect of "if you think that I was rotten to you before, you ain't seen nothing yet." But of course, Corbin Bernsen pops his head out of the wall showing that he's still watching Q.
But this subject reminds me of a an episode of TOS: 'The Squire of Gothos.' In certain Trekker circles, it's been postulated that Trelane is a child Q and his planet and everything else (including his burgeoning powers to capture the Enterprise and everyone on it) were playthings. My favorite part is at the end when his 'parents' tell him essentially, to stop teasing the mortals and come home, along with the apologies to the crew.
How do you feel about Trelane? Do you think that he's a child Q? (I think that this would make a great question on the Star Trek reddit!)
EffectiveSalamander@reddit
We just recently started rewatching TNG, and in the first couple of Qs appearances he really seems a lot like Trelane.
Kiki1701@reddit
Yeah. Very childish and capricious
Kiki1701@reddit
Thank you for your reply. You are, of course, correct about this, I had totally forgotten about 'Kevin's' pacifism. As committed 'Trekker,' I'm almost embarrassed to have forgotten the subtext of this episode. (I had an illness recently and it affected my memory) I wish that I had the Paramount channel. I'm way overdue to take in the show again in its entirety. (Btw, love your SN!)
imascarylion2018@reddit
Thanks!
Happy to provide a refresher, it’s an extremely underrated episode in my opinion. One of my absolute favorites.
Kiki1701@reddit
It was one of my favorite episodes (when I could remember it all!) if I'm not mistaken, isn't one of the crew caught by the ankle in a trap when they try to go to the house? And Rishan tells her husband to let them down? This might be, if we stop to think about it, how the whole 'house house of cards' gets built, before it all comes crashing down when they find out who Kevin really is.
dalek65@reddit
Yes, I think it was Riker who was caught in a trap. Geordi could see it and tried to warn him but he stepped in it.
Imma_da_PP@reddit
“We have no law to fit your crime.”
Pretty sure we do, actually.
SaltySAX@reddit
Not for something on the scale of that. As Picard himself says, there is no one who would be objective enough to judge Kevin.
dalek65@reddit
I always thought that. What? Has the Federation never heard of genocide? Prosecuting and imprisoning him, on the other hand, might prove more difficult.
firethorne@reddit
Cue the ice cream truck music
Jeff_in_BK@reddit
That Real Doll factory won’t build itself.
danno49@reddit
Beat it, Troi! My other customers like chocolate, too!
Dry-Interaction-1246@reddit
Was that dude basically a hermit Q?
lonely_nipple@reddit
Not quite as much oomph but fairly close.
BosomBosons@reddit
I wish Picard had mentioned the Douwd to Q at some point.
graham_cracker26@reddit
All I hear is an ice cream truck and a sibilant S
matt95110@reddit
Top ten TNG episode. I could watch it right now and it would be just as impactful as the first time I saw it.
Banned4Truth10@reddit
Which one?
matt95110@reddit
This episode. What do you think I’m talking about?
Banned4Truth10@reddit
My bad in asking which episode this is.
Season X Episode Y?
Thin_Dream2079@reddit
So it would have just as much impact.
matt95110@reddit
Thats what I implied.
BathFullOfDucks@reddit
Definitely top 10 monologues of all time for me, delivered by a Hollywood great at the twilight of his career
TheAbsoluteBarnacle@reddit
I know him as Harry, MacGyver's grandpa. Where else should we look for this legend?
CutUnusual1212@reddit
I killed them all?
upthewaterfall@reddit
Not just one but all of them, everywhere.
Relative-Ad-9225@reddit
A single thought and an entire species is gone. 🥶
longlivelevon@reddit
Let’s go get some barbecue and get bizzay
Lokitusaborg@reddit
All I can hear is
“So say we all.”
GreatBarrier86@reddit
This is the way.
HGFantomas@reddit
Ever notice the similarities between Little House ‘Haunted House’ S2E5 and TNG ‘Survivors’ S3E3?
Both deal with husband who cannot get over wife’s death
Both have music boxes as a central theme
Both have an ignorant yet well-meaning outsider come in and try to ‘save’ the husband
Both end with the outsiders leaving the husband alone.
Both guest star the same actor as the husband (John Anderson)
Little House ‘Haunted House’ S2E5 TNG ‘Survivors’ S3E3
gravitasofmavity@reddit
Best 1-off guest star on TNG? He might just get my vote.
MAZE_ENJOYER@reddit
Die must you all
forgettablesonglyric@reddit
Good tea. Nice house.
Commando_NL@reddit
Listen, i am sometimes ready to commit genocide while im traffic or waiting for dinner to be served. The art is to not follow up on that.
im-ba@reddit
Maybe a little genocide, as a treat?
milaga@reddit
Alright, if you all clean up your toys after playing, you can have a little genocide after dinner.
WaxWorkKnight@reddit
regeya@reddit
Uxbridge!!!
We...uh...have no law to fit your crime.
PsychoBilli@reddit
That's fine, it's not like it was an overreaction.
milaga@reddit
This was one of the great scenes. It was as though a murder confessed to an ant. What could that ant possible do to absolve, condemn, or even respond to the revilation.
TDS_isnt_real@reddit
Unfathomably based.
When I was young, I was like “oh no that’s terrible that he did a genocide. He should be punished even if they were bad people”.
When I got older and got married though, I thought “Nah, I get it bromigo. I would’ve snapped them out of existence too.”
Arborebrius@reddit
He did a genocide after being stung by the consequences of choosing not to intervene. Morally monstrous
Zauberer-IMDB@reddit
It's like a Republican god. Dude said not my problem until it affected him then he decided war crimes were the right answer.
lonely_nipple@reddit
Idk. Have you really decided they're the right answer if it was only for a second or two?
I've read before that when we're undoing learned biases - let's take racism as an easy one - you might still have an initial, gut response to seeing a person you previously would've responded negatively to.
Its the second thought you have, that "No, that's not right, they're human just like me and deserve respect" that better reflects who you really are, because you recognize that you're wrong and you're working to make yourself better.
This guy had that gut reaction, but by the time that second thought popped in, he'd already acted. By the time he thought, "No, that's not right," it was too late.
And he couldn't do anything to make it better.
I think we all have those moments, we just lack the ability to react to it in a meaningful way before the self-correction thought can happen.
fistchrist@reddit
Fuck it, we ball
OneTwoFar_@reddit
"Warp factor seven. Engage!"
techm00@reddit
an incredibly powerful episode, and wonderful performance by John Anderson.
Mayoo614@reddit
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Mayoo614@reddit
https://i.redd.it/duzgxdv1a39f1.gif