The difference between the two is within margin of error at 1.8k RPM + the T30 can go up to 3k which is always nice to have, especially if you've a high noise floor (not all of us are blessed with whisper quiet rooms/offices).
The lack of noise normalized testing is also a major omission.
Yeah that's one of the reasons I've been cooling off on Noctua, they take AGES to develop and by the time they do come out someone already beat them to the punch with a comparable product that may go the extra mile.
Don't get me wrong, 10 years ago you wouldn't catch me using anyone else's fans, but it's too hard to justify waiting these days.
Not sure why you where sleeping on the competition 10 years ago. It’s only recently that they have actually been able to outperform their competition with the A12.
11-14 years ago the Gentle Typhoon was pretty much the undisputed king. There’s always been comparable or superior fans from companies like BeQuiet, Scythe, Noiseblocker etc.
You do loose out at the bottom of the range. A computer when its not doing much the airflow fans can be running at the 350 rpm sort of range whereas the Phantek can't below 600rpm at 20% PWM. Its not much louder since fans at these speeds are very quiet anyway but most of us never want to be anywhere near a fan running at 3000rpm its obnoxiously loud.
Interesting message from Noctua at 10:00: the G1 will continue to be sold with the G2 at the same price until inventory runs out.
Makes a lot of sense to discontinue the G1 when they're priced the same. The G2 are straight upgrades across pretty much all scenarios (perhaps except for niche applications where you don't have access to PWM control, or if you need a 5V version).
It does mean that those who are currently running G1s though. And want to expand with a couple of identical fans for easier control/tuning etc. Should hurry up and get them while they are still around.
There's people like out there like me who has 10+ G1s in a system due to radiator count. If one breaks down the line I really don't want to buy all new G2s or other fans if I don't have to just to have matching fans.
Because they have different sound/RPM sound profile? So you would have to setup a different control group just for that replacement fan. Which may also include running a long ass extra 3 pin cable to the fan controller.
Swapping in a identical fan is a 2 min job I can do without moving the PC for all but one of my 4 radiators. Adding another fan group would take even more work than getting to that one radiator that takes a bit of extra work.
I think they're referring to the slim 92mm fans (A9x14). Those are super popular in SFF as a fan swap on the AXP90 Thermalright coolers, but haven't been updated for quite a while.
At this point Thermalright are coming out with an updated LCP slim fan on their coolers, so unless this design translates very well to being scaled down a Noctua update would be super late considering it's not even on the roadmap.
To be fair, it's hardly a huge investment to put a sata/molex power injector in between the motherboard and fans. All you need from the header is the PWM signal after all. Daisy chaining is mostly about not having a crows nest of cables when running 3-4 fans radiators.
fkinra@reddit
What’s the max rpm?? Does it beat the t30 at 3000rpm??
GenZia@reddit
The difference between the two is within margin of error at 1.8k RPM + the T30 can go up to 3k which is always nice to have, especially if you've a high noise floor (not all of us are blessed with whisper quiet rooms/offices).
The lack of noise normalized testing is also a major omission.
blackbalt89@reddit
Yeah that's one of the reasons I've been cooling off on Noctua, they take AGES to develop and by the time they do come out someone already beat them to the punch with a comparable product that may go the extra mile.
Don't get me wrong, 10 years ago you wouldn't catch me using anyone else's fans, but it's too hard to justify waiting these days.
JesusIsMyLord666@reddit
Not sure why you where sleeping on the competition 10 years ago. It’s only recently that they have actually been able to outperform their competition with the A12.
11-14 years ago the Gentle Typhoon was pretty much the undisputed king. There’s always been comparable or superior fans from companies like BeQuiet, Scythe, Noiseblocker etc.
blackbalt89@reddit
Yeah, I know little something about GTs, I have 8 of them in my 2010 rig.
JesusIsMyLord666@reddit
Still have a 1850 rpm one in my current rig as an intake in the top. It’s amazing how low these fans will spin, considering there’s no PWM.
blackbalt89@reddit
The AP-15 was a god amongst fans, did they ever make the switch to PWM?
JesusIsMyLord666@reddit
There are PWM versions sold under the Nidec brand. There’s also versions sold under Adata XPG Vento PRO that are PWM.
They actually seem to be performing really well https://www.hwcooling.net/en/adata-xpg-vento-pro-120-pwm-polishing-the-imperfect-review/18/
I will consider them next time I need a fan
zdy132@reddit
If noises are not much of a concern, it's probably a good idea to just use industrial fans like Delta.
GhostsinGlass@reddit
I just use a leafblower.
omicron7e@reddit
I just installed an exhaust fan from a hog confinement building in my case
account312@reddit
I bought a decommissioned 737 and ducted the engine outflow through mine.
-WingsForLife-@reddit
You should avoid Boeing
TheCh0rt@reddit
What does that mean?
omicron7e@reddit
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=hog+building+fan
BrightCandle@reddit
You do loose out at the bottom of the range. A computer when its not doing much the airflow fans can be running at the 350 rpm sort of range whereas the Phantek can't below 600rpm at 20% PWM. Its not much louder since fans at these speeds are very quiet anyway but most of us never want to be anywhere near a fan running at 3000rpm its obnoxiously loud.
Morningst4r@reddit
Even being in the same room as a 3000rpm fan sounds horrible lol
a12223344556677@reddit
Interesting message from Noctua at 10:00: the G1 will continue to be sold with the G2 at the same price until inventory runs out.
Makes a lot of sense to discontinue the G1 when they're priced the same. The G2 are straight upgrades across pretty much all scenarios (perhaps except for niche applications where you don't have access to PWM control, or if you need a 5V version).
Alive_Worth_2032@reddit
It does mean that those who are currently running G1s though. And want to expand with a couple of identical fans for easier control/tuning etc. Should hurry up and get them while they are still around.
There's people like out there like me who has 10+ G1s in a system due to radiator count. If one breaks down the line I really don't want to buy all new G2s or other fans if I don't have to just to have matching fans.
dragonorp@reddit
Why can't you mix?
Alive_Worth_2032@reddit
Because they have different sound/RPM sound profile? So you would have to setup a different control group just for that replacement fan. Which may also include running a long ass extra 3 pin cable to the fan controller.
Swapping in a identical fan is a 2 min job I can do without moving the PC for all but one of my 4 radiators. Adding another fan group would take even more work than getting to that one radiator that takes a bit of extra work.
Impressive_Good_8247@reddit
Who cares? If it cost 10x as much as the second best option, I'll take the second best any day of the week over it. Besides, their ugly af too.
GRIZZLY_GUY_@reddit
They're*
TheBigJizzle@reddit
I wish they did thicker fans, maybe the next decade at the pace they are going
ColdSkalpel@reddit
Are they updating a9x-14 as well?
BrightCandle@reddit
The 14 G2s are already out, have been for some months.
Iggydang@reddit
I think they're referring to the slim 92mm fans (A9x14). Those are super popular in SFF as a fan swap on the AXP90 Thermalright coolers, but haven't been updated for quite a while.
At this point Thermalright are coming out with an updated LCP slim fan on their coolers, so unless this design translates very well to being scaled down a Noctua update would be super late considering it's not even on the roadmap.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/1krwle4/thermalright_axp90x53_pro_w_lcp_slim_fan/
MaverickPT@reddit
Noctua being very late is very much a Noctua thing
Iggydang@reddit
Not on the roadmap, so anywhere between "no" and "no but with 2 year's delay".
https://noctua.at/en/product-roadmap
PhunkeyPharaoh@reddit
No sound test vs. T30 at equivalent dB is a bad miss. My T30 sounds much more pleasant than those noise samples up till <2000 rpm.
imaginary_num6er@reddit
Would be interesting to see current draw comparisons too. Like you can’t daisy chain more than 2 T30-120 Advance fans before PWM header goes boom
airmantharp@reddit
I've got my three daisy-chained... first off of a motherboard header, and then off of a Quattro (I think...)
Spearmint9@reddit
Some motherboards have 1.5 amps or even 2/3A for water pump.
Alive_Worth_2032@reddit
To be fair, it's hardly a huge investment to put a sata/molex power injector in between the motherboard and fans. All you need from the header is the PWM signal after all. Daisy chaining is mostly about not having a crows nest of cables when running 3-4 fans radiators.
Reactor-Licker@reddit
Check the hwcooling review, they test power draw.
WorldClassPianist@reddit
Didn't realize T30-120 are $40 a fan now. Wow, they used to be $30.
kikimaru024@reddit
Where is the round frame version?
Reddit_is_Fake_@reddit (OP)
Beating the thicker T30 is impressive, the time they spent making these paid off.