[-]

It’s not the bots. The entire western neoliberal establishment laughed at it for years because they couldn’t wrap their heads around the idea that not everyone loved democracy, technology and capitalism. Much of it still does. They act like Dugin is a clown, when in reality, Foundations is a playbook for Putin’s Russia. Their is astounding and probably civilizationally terminal.

[-]

Hosj_Karp@reddit

What? Its not relevant because its just repackaged Ivan Ilayn, Carl Schmitt, and Lev Guimolev.

Putin references Ivan Ilayn all the time. Thats scary enough. Dugin isnt relevant.

[-]

ComicCon@reddit

How exactly is Russia going to invade and occupy a large portion of Northern China? Because IIRC that’s something the book calls for. I wouldn’t say the spirit of the book isn’t influential. But trying to say they are using the strategy in the book 1:1 is just wrong. People tend to focus on the few things Dugin sort of called(although even that is debatable), while ignoring that the is a very different place than it was when the book was written.

To use your other example, I don’t think I’ve ever heard people say “The Turner Diaries” isn’t a very disturbing work of Nazi propaganda. Or that they’d do “Day of the Rope” and all that if they could. But I’m also not pouring over it trying to figure out their exact battle plan.

[-]

Altruistic-Joke2971@reddit

I never said it was 1:1. Those aren't words I used. I said it was a "playbook." You don't run every play in the playbook. Maybe it's not a perfect analogy, and you're right. Today's Russia doesn't look like the late Soviet period where Dugin began his journey with Orthodox mysticism and the European New Right. However, they've taken the parts that work and left the rest.

And I didn't say that people claim "The Turner Diaries" isn't a "very disturbing work of Nazi propaganda."

What I said about both pieces is that they're far more influential and relevant than 'The Establishment' gives them credit for being.

Most of America still doesn't know about either book which serve as a, let's use the term 'Guidebook' instead of 'Playbook', for their respective movements which seek to radically transform if not outright destroy fundamental parts of the world as we know it.

This is because that establishment has decided that they don't make sense to them and thus can't be as important and relevant as they are. It's the same sort of arrogant dismissiveness towards and contempt that the same people have shown for MAGA.

[-]

ComicCon@reddit

You know what, fair enough. I think we mostly agree, I'm just so used to people talking about it as if it's a 1:1 playbook that I lumped you in there. Sorry about that, clearly wasn't fair. I agree that the mainstream underplays how important texts like this can to these fringe movements, and why have a working understanding of them is good.

It would probably fracture the support base entirely, I mean this Iran strike already has splintered it. Tons of people on the right are already saying that all trump did was expose us to potential reprisals for a bullshit attack with bullshit reasons. The bots are trying to drown them, but there’s enough actual people who are pissed that it’s not working.

[-]

Ello_Owu@reddit

Throw those people one "attack" on the US from "Iran" and theyll be wearing Make Iran Great Again (MIGA) shirts with a mushroom cloud underneath, cheering on democrats getting arrested for protesting the military escalation in America.

[-]

2024-YR4-Asteroid@reddit

Nope, there are a ton of them all over twitter proclaiming that if anything happens it’s on Trumps head. The serpent finally consumes itself.

[-]

Ello_Owu@reddit

gif

Securing the Homeland against Iranian Terror, or SHIT for short.

[-]

Rods-from-God@reddit

I mean, the PATRIOT Act was always intended to be used against anyone determined to be an enemy of the state. As of Trump's last presidency, technically, anyone taking on the name of AntiFa was liable to be investigated and surveilled, and then if enough of a case can be made, charged under said act. The Trump regime kicked this off during their last term, and MTG picked the ball right back up this past January.

So to the above discussion's point, they don't even have to classify you as Iranian when that AntiFa terrorist group designation resolution passes. I would expect this to be rushed through at lightning speed and discussed in hushed tones with no media attention until after it's passed.

Essentially, as we know how the fascist aligned jump at the chance to accuse anyone who'd hand a bowl of soup to a homeless person of being AntiFa, this would give them carte blanche to round up and charge and try behind closed doors whomever they want gone. This would include the practice constitutionally protected actions, given how the resolution defines what gets you labeled as an actual full blown terrorist by the Trump admin.

> Whereas the far-left militant organization held signs reading, “We are ungovernable” and “Abolish ICE, no cops, prisons, borders, presidents”, illustrating their dedication to lawlessness

Say Abolish ICE? You're an enemy of the state.

> Whereas, in August 2017, approximately 100 Antifa rioters incited violence during a peaceful rally in Berkeley, California, where these terrorists were repeatedly punching and kicking innocent people, sending several peaceful protestors to the hospital, and ultimately 13 rioters were arrested on a range of charges including assault with deadly weapons and **obstructing a police officer**

Record police? You're an enemy combatant.

> Whereas the Congressional Research Service reports that Antifa literature urges followers to publicize information such as home addresses, phone numbers, photographs, and social media profiles of perceived enemies

Retweet or share the name of that deputized gravy seal who pointed a gun at the head of a child for approaching the vehicle her mother was being whisked away into? You're a terrorist hacker as far as they're concerned.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/26/all-info

Idk—I think Trump has a clear idea of what he wants to see happen in the world, and it has very little to do with hating anyone.

Something that would make sense is to make sure they don't know if they have the real information,

If they really have the information and release it early, Trump's plan changes.

If the information is false, against intelligence, they lose the informant.

By declaring that you have the information and not releasing it you can make them sign it with some type of verifiable token that marks what this information was before the attack and by releasing it after the attack and verifying the information then we would be sure that it was a false flag attack.

JacksMicroplastics@reddit

Yeah, completely agree. I guess it comes down to how effective their messaging will be -- which has me worried. MAGA world is convinced that a strongman leader is what we need and rightwing propaganda has shown to be incredibly effective. Republicans in Congress also seem totally fine with letting Trump do whatever he wants.

Anecdotaly, I remember my parents repeating the talking point "we shouldn't switch leadership in the middle of a war" used by Bush to get reelected.

To quote Susan Collins, 'I am concerned '.

[-]

AnonymousBanana405@reddit

Remember, no Russian.

[-]

ASOG_Recruiter@reddit

gif

pink_faerie_kitten@reddit

Iran hacked T's campaign last year. They might have dirt. I hope the release anything they have on him.

[-]

hoirkasp@reddit

Yes

[-]

Ricky_Ventura@reddit

Yes. "It will be Visible, brutal, and blamed on a Middle Eastern state" is the quote.

[-]

david8601@reddit

Almost seems scripted

[-]

Sir_Jony_Ive@reddit

100% scripted. Everyone knew the B-2’s were on their way. Iran cleared most everything out, so it was mostly just a waste of bombs and money.

It’s all theater, because we can’t take out the boogeyman too quickly, or else we can’t justify the rest of the money and resources being spent on a pro-longed conflict. Just like Iraq and Afghanistan.

It wasn’t some sort of accident or major blunder that we “let” Osama escape when we first invaded Afghanistan. That was by design.

[-]

GENERAT10N_D00M@reddit

Or it could be a combination of genuine sleeper cell attacks and a big false flag. Its not limited to one or the other.

[-]

Traditional-Handle83@reddit

Yea but in addition to instilling marshal law state side, it'd give him every excuse to basically drop every ordinance ever made that the US has, on Iran and basically glass it out of existence. Cause let's be honest, hes been itching to use a nuke for awhile. When them b2s changed route, we came insanely close to it happening.

[-]

Sir_Jony_Ive@reddit

What do you mean changed route? I don’t think there’s any evidence that any of them had any live nukes on board, is there?

7 B-2’s dropped bunker busters on Iran with a fighter escort, with 2 B-2’s headed to Guam as a slight diversion tactic. I don’t think the Guam diversion really fooled anyone though, because tankers headed out to the Atlantic and Middle East, days prior to the bombing run over Iran.

[-]

Traditional-Handle83@reddit

Thats the thing, no one's going to say out loud if a b2 has a nuke on it or not. Thats just basic don't tell policy 101.

When they moved towards Guam, that was the tell tail sign something was about to happen hence why I said changed route.

Not sure what you're not understanding from what I said and why you are bothering to over complicate it by saying the same thing with more details.

[-]

Sir_Jony_Ive@reddit

There was no “route change” for any B-2’s is what I’m getting at. The 2 different packages headed in completely opposite directions from the get-go.

No one (Trump, the Deep State, etc.) decided at the last minute to divert a few B-2’s away from Iran that were carrying nukes. I can confidently say that because of the total tonnage in ordnance dropped on Iran. There isn’t much room left in their carrying capacity to also carry a warhead.

[-]

Traditional-Handle83@reddit

Ok you don't seem to grasp what I'm saying and I feel like trying to get you to understand will be a wasted effort because your comprehension skills seem to be lacking.

[-]

Sir_Jony_Ive@reddit

You’re the one that lacks basic reading comprehension skills, or else you’re just frustrated that someone threw some facts and logic at you, so your argument (whatever it was supposed to be in the first place), crumpled in on itself.

I feel like we’re on the precipice of an eventual escalation ladder into a nuclear strike by someone, somewhere (just like most of us in here), with this strike being another climb up another rung, but this particular strike was never planned to be a nuclear one from the outset. The logistics of the mission just don’t allow for it (even as a contingency).

[-]

Traditional-Handle83@reddit

You're using your argument based on the post bombing. What i was saying was in relation to pre bombing. No one except those had the Intel knew what the b2s had BEFORE the bombing. So stop this magical argument that you knew way ahead of time that they didn't have a nuke and it was public knowledge way before the attack.

[-]

scipkcidemmp@reddit

If you think iranian "sleeper cells" are a thing you're a moron.

[-]

MezcalFlame@reddit

"Never let a crisis go to waste."

[-]

PrudentLingoberry@reddit

I'm telling y'all if its anything it'd be a car hack. In a false flag you can't do too much damage to yourself but need enough to get people into an existential fear state. But americans are so desensitized that violent acts like mass shootings hardly make news anyway, and we've been living under constant threat of bombings for decades. So even when such things do happen the media cycle immediately churns it and people barely care anymore. Thus enter the singular car hack: enough to leave an impact, but not enough to do permanent damage.

An article explaining that there was a high likelihood of domestic terrorism from extremist groups since the agency preventing it had been gutted and an eyebrow-waggling fresh graduate had been placed at its head? Nah, not relevant to prepper intel! /s

Yeah, it made me wonder what else wasn't getting posted and the reasons why. Pretty spooky

[-]

maeryclarity@reddit

I spend as much time as I can talking to people. It's amazing what someone at the gas station that you just strike up a short conversation with may share with you. Social media is a really new thing for the human mind, our original viral information source was talking to each other.

I especially find it useful to be interested in what they have to say, not to interject with what I think I've heard unless it's quite significant to the conversation.

[-]

NoOneBetterMusic@reddit

The thing is, if there’s a legitimate attack from Iran, 50% of the country will see it as a false flag, even if it’s real.

[-]

rjorsin@reddit

I’ve never really been one for conspiracy, but if there were to be a major attack on us soil you couldn’t convince me it wasn’t Israel even if Iran took credit.

[-]

NoOneBetterMusic@reddit

At least you’re honest.

[-]

ExoticCard@reddit

It's a false flag buddy

I would argue that most of these accelerationist podcasters who tell their viewers to kill their neighbors in America all the time are doing more damage than any sleeper cell ever could. Too many Americans like the idea of feds grabbing people off the street, not realizing they could be next.

Well seeing how Bush started both conflicts I don't see why he would need approval for conflicts we were already in.

And naw, rather not send our troops to do Israel's and the Saudi's dirty work for them. And Obama negotiated a deal with Iran that Trump ripped up.

Try harder.

[-]

CommonRagwort@reddit

Why you think Obama made that deal with iran? Because they Iran can't have nukes. Yes, Trump ripping up that agreement was dumb as shit, but they still can't be allowed to have nukes.

Here is harris talking about Iran:

https://youtu.be/k5JLOb7itXk?si=kGsXkAoUcs9nlDSm

The War powers resolution allows the president to deploy troops for up to 60 days:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

Please educatate yourself about your own country. I am not even american and know more than you do, it's embarrassing.

Try harder.

[-]

ashtonioskillano@reddit

To claim that they’re in the minority for not wanting to get involved in the Middle East is delusional. 80%+ of Americans in polls said they didn’t want this

[-]

Pizzasupreme00@reddit

There are no elections during wartime.

[Citation Needed]

[-]

badasimo@reddit

What are you talking about? We never skipped elections during a war, and that was when elections were more difficult to administer

[-]

Fine_Luck_200@reddit

That doesn't matter to the average GOP voter. Their God Emperor on the golden toilet will tell them he needs a third term to win the war and only he is capable of such.

[-]

kormer@reddit

There are no elections during wartime.

We had an election in the middle of the Civil War which is about as bad as you could possibly get.

[-]

Cannabisjarad@reddit

He looks like Sylvester Stallone and Fred Savage had a baby

[-]

pointblank41@reddit

He looks like a 14 year old trying to Cosplay as Marco Rubio

[-]

Krakenspoop@reddit

Can't pull off a Rubio w/o these:

Maybe it'll distract from his acne.

Personal_Bit_5341@reddit

And the mines.

[-]

iridescent-shimmer@reddit

Alas, it is a reservation only farm visit! 😂

[-]

darkmeowl25@reddit

I have had a feeling that is the date as well.

[-]

ThePenIslands@reddit

What am I missing here

[-]

pink_faerie_kitten@reddit

Anonymous said seven days ago that they plan an info dump in 17 days (so ten days from now).

[-]

No_Pirate_1409@reddit

Fuck you I’m to high for that joke now my dogs awake lmao

[-]

Intelligent-Coconut8@reddit

You can thank the Biden admin for allowing these terrorist into the country and can now thank democrats for obstructing their deportations.

If you think that’s true then you have a severe misunderstanding of what “consent of the governed” is.

Consent isn’t just you voting once every four years or posting things on Reddit for against some political action.

Every moment that you apathize about, or despair about, or tell yourself “this is bigger than me” you are consenting.

Every moment you’re not making them terrified of doing something stupid, you’re consenting.

Every moment that they don’t wonder if taking that donation from some corporate lobbyist is going to land them face down in a ditch, you’re consenting.

They have to manufacture this consent, constantly, because people won’t Warhawk on Facebook if everyone who thought like you was willing to set them straight.

Fine_Luck_200@reddit

The GOP voters don't feel sympathy they just need to feel validated. Hitting LA and Calf would be a BOGO for them.

[-]

pink_faerie_kitten@reddit

The fact that this is true shows why we really are two separate countries living in a toxic relationship. We need a national divorce.

[-]

Buccees

Flashy-Law-5838@reddit

The bots are at work sawing division.

Trump doesn't care if he is a prophet of war or peace. He just wants to be a prophet that profits.

He sees profit in destabilization. More eyes on the war less eyes on ICE.

Third term? If the USA is in an active war with other countries, do you think he will step down?

Trump doesn't care if we have all out civil war just as long as he gets a huge portion and can remain in power.

As long as he remains in power, he can keep creating chaos to hide from whatever secrets are in the files.

A lot of things can happen, obviously a false flag.

Russia can align and show 100% support of Iran. N Korea is aligned with Russia.

Once things globally get destabilized enough China will use this as the golden window of opportunity to reclaim Taiwan

New world order does not have to mean one government or one currency. New world Order could be broken in 3 o 4 places.

I think the powers to be know that AI will want to create its own version of new world order. Which could be extreme and with one currency. How many years away is this AI takeover? 2 years or 5 years or 10 years does it really matter in a global big picture scale.

Humans can try to beat AI in what is essentially an arms race. Humans can't do this in a peaceful way. WW3 seems to be the option on the table.

[-]

wisdomHungry@reddit

I m a sleeping cell

[-]

Dingdonger23@reddit

Same playbook as US’s Iraq War to drive fear amongst Trump’s base…Weapons of Mass Distraction all over again.

[-]

amandafiles@reddit

They said the same shit and dragged us into operation desert storm. Don’t fall for Bibi’s bullshit.

[-]

primespirals@reddit

First stating that this happened as a fact, then substantiating it with “According to two officials.” Why would this kind of disclosure actually need to be anonymous?

I remember many unnamed officials before the United States began the slaughter in Iraq, as well.

[-]

Homey-Airport-Int@reddit

Why would it need to be anonymous? Uh, because they were not authorized to share the information and therefore could/would lose their job if unmasked? You know, like every other time this has happened? Which is all the time?

[-]

primespirals@reddit

The video starts with the premise of asking “Iran directly threatened America?”

What supposedly happened is an unnamed intermediary conveyed this sleeper cell threat to Trump during the G7 summit.

I wonder how many US officials were privvy to this exchange? Some articles are vague about how this was conveyed, though some state some kind of more formal communique was delivered.

Presumably enough people are in the know about this that these officials were not concerned about being suspected of conveying unauthorized information to NBC news.

On its face I find it deeply unlikely that Trump would not immediately speak publicly about such a direct threat. But the White House has not responded to requests for comment.

Perhaps such secrecy was recommended to him for national security reasons.

That hasn’t stopped this detail from being included in the droves and droves of reworded but deeply similar articles that have come out in recent days about the dangers of sleeper cells. Many quote the same named officials who do not have intelligence of a direct threat, but do have lurid details about the dangers.

A few other articles include this supposed threat to civilians within the US alongside other verified, direct quotes from Iranian officials threatening military response against US military bases abroad if the US continues to escalate.

Unfortunately none of the articles that have included this tip have seemed to indicate a desire to verify that such a direct threat was made, or the relationship of this intermediary to the Iranian government.

I would certainly appreciate such an effort from news media. Since we’re trying to inform the populace of a credible threat and not encourage rumor-mongering or hysteria. This amount of irresponsible journalism would be concerning whether organic or part of a PR package.

So as far as my concern for this key detail being secret and conveyed by unnamed officials: I believe that Iran will deny this claim of a direct threat to US civilians.

The great news is that no US officials nor Trump made this claim, so no one will have lied.

NBC may eventually release a quiet update that no one reads stating that Iran denies this claim.

But plenty of eerily similar, breathless articles including it will still have been read by a concerned populous.

But shit, maybe you’re right and I’ll eat my hat. But this is an expansion on my initial concern.

[-]

Life_Pineapple_3545@reddit (OP)

Thanks for your input, I was too young right before Iraq, so this gives me perspective

[-]

hillbillyspellingbee@reddit

I remember the news and Bush administration pushing this idea of “sleeper cells” so much that my friends and I would bring it up when playing SOCOM on PS2.

Never seemed to be true. Just seemed like a way for the news/gov to keep people suspicious of their (brown) neighbors.

Pappa Pooh Bear in China firmly said no to Iran this morning.

[-]

pile_of_fish@reddit

A thousand cheap mines can do terrible damage to the global economy there.

[-]

ShihPoosRule@reddit

If Iran sinks 2-3 ships, insurance carriers start dropping coverage and it quickly becomes cost prohibitive to ship via the strait of Hormuz.

[-]

Slayers_Picks@reddit

And if this is true, they have every right to do so as their country is actively being attacked.

[-]

I do not for one second believe that Iran has had the power to do harm in the US all along but refrained from using it.

[-]

Rednuht0@reddit

Now, there are reports that they moved materials prior to bombing, but the current location unknown. We have this intel for some reason, but still bombed the site and lost track of the trucks?

So, tinfoil hat theory: dirty boom boom. War, martial law becomes a regular thing every time there is any protest/violence, radiation detection/surveillance drones hover above cites.. remember the drones over NJ? What was that like 10 yr ago?

[-]

WreckinRich@reddit

Supposedly, my Israeli friend told me.

[-]

dr_analog@reddit

This would be such a profoundly dumb misunderstanding of US politics on Iran's part if they think this is going to deter the President.

The President's approval rating would shoot to unprecedented high levels if they did a terrorist attack in the US and we'd be at total war with them within 3 days.

[-]

SeigneurMoutonDeux@reddit

"We will dance again"

[-]

If a Draft is considered working, maybe.

[-]

Key-Memory-6858@reddit

if its true, than maybe avoid parading around helplessly in crowded areas with like minded helpless idiots.. like immigration protest and other fringe events, also including church events, stadiums and theaters.

Anything else should be fairly safe, if some jihadist tried some shi in my local Walmart, he'd get stone cold by one of the strapped patrons. just a fact, play the role of victim or play the boss. A herd of humans in a confined space was always a liability, history show this.

[-]

moni_bk@reddit

Our Congress is filled with Israeli sleeper cells.

[-]

lt1brunt@reddit

I think Trump is using this rhetoric to do martial law and suspend the mid terms, U.S or Israeli false flags coming.

[-]

_aquavitae_@reddit

Sarah Adams set the groundwork for this on the Shawn Ryan podcast. Once CIA always CIA.

[-]

Feel-A-Great-Relief@reddit

We're in good hands 🙌 /s

[-]

Pitiful-MobileGamer@reddit

There is so many soft targets in the US.

Everybody considers suicide bombing against civilians as the worst case scenario.

What happens if these sleeper cells start pulling down community water towers, going after electrical pylons, destroying Telecom infrastructure, terrorist attacks on bridges and in tunnels.

gif

[-]

SightUnseen1337@reddit

Taking bets on what the Reichstag Fire will be this time?

[-]

7222_salty@reddit

The second wave will occur on the second Tuesday of November.

[-]

Automatic_Teach1271@reddit

Nice try. Our teenagers took them out in highschool.

[-]

A8Warmonger@reddit

A false flag could work right now, too. Fuck Trump and Fuck Iran

[-]

Molsem@reddit

Iran could do the funniest thing right now.

@Iran hey uh... those of us who oppose you will be wearing masks and XXL tac vests! Come and get us you bastards!

[-]

brbgonnabrnit@reddit

Ill believe it when i see it

[-]

hillbillyspellingbee@reddit

I still won’t believe it then either.

“Sleeper cells” my ass.

Same post-9/11 rhetoric BS.

[-]

hillbillyspellingbee@reddit

Inside job incoming.

gif

[-]

DonBoy30@reddit

This is almost copy and pasted from 15 years ago. Do they have a Obama funded training camp in upstate NY, too? Lol

[-]

MyCatIsLenin@reddit

Makes zero sense for Iran to do this.

Iran has shown themselves to be very rational. Inflaming the US public in such a manner has no positive return.

They will attack US assets and likely increase Israeli bombings.

[-]

Savage_Sushi@reddit

It’s all just programming the public beforehand to believe whatever false flag is Iran

[-]

Shmeepish@reddit

Preemptive 9/11 like conspiracies are kinda cringe. Our military just dropped 30,000lb bombs on their valuable (regime protection-wise) nuclear industry, and they have tried to kill the president in the past. Wouldn’t be that crazy for them to try something like this, especially when their regime is teetering on collapse (ie less reason to worry about response if you think your end is coming).

bluelifesacrifice@reddit

This is going to get so freaking dumb.

*could activate. This title...

[-]

Vegetaman916@reddit

Supposedly?!

Right now, Iran is activating every single thing they have, and trying to get whatever they can elsewhere. This pot has barely begun to stir...

[-]