Israel savages EU over ‘outrageous and indecent’ human rights review
Posted by Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 100 comments
Posted by Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 100 comments
MeNameSRB@reddit
For ages, Israel has been following a foreign policy doctrine of rules for thee but not for me so ofc it'll act so suprised and triggered with this, how dare the EU judge israel on human rights which is an integral part of the rules based world order.
Does the EU not know that Israel is super special and is above us "petty" nations in these matters? /s
DefiantDistance5844@reddit
FYI: the report is a compendium of media reports that have not been verified. It also includes H group propaganda and events that did not happen. The report was not meant for publication and contains NOTHING that isn't already in public. It was leaked to generate this type of engagement.
sxnmc@reddit
There's this quote about conservatism that goes
And I feel like it maps to the Western perception of the "rules based world order" just as well.
imunfair@reddit
Israel is always outraged when held to account, playing the victim has always been one of their main strategies. The other one is completely disproportional responses in hopes of discouraging further attacks, which doesn't seem to work so they just end up looking vengeful and in the case of places like Gaza downright genocidal (especially when combined with their dehumanizing rhetoric).
Onion_Guy@reddit
They’ve killed almost 400,000 people so far, so their “defense” ratio is even worse than 30x
Quarter_Twenty@reddit
How many deaths should Israel tolerate? Even one is too many? When someone attacks you, it's not unreasonable to take away their ability to continue attacking you and killing your citizens.
No_Macaroon_9752@reddit
How many deaths should Palestinians tolerate? 2023 was the deadliest year for children in Palestine (illegally killed by settlers and the IDF) even before October. When you look at the number of Palestinians killed in the last 80 years compared to the number of Israelis, your question starts to look a bit silly. Who exactly is killing whom?
Quarter_Twenty@reddit
Israel pulled out of Gaza 20 years ago, yet the Gazans lobed random missiles into Israel all the time. Israel was far too tolerant of Hamas' genocidal intent--until October 8th. Should Israel have stopped at 1200 killed, leaving all of their hostages in Gaza and the tunnels in tact? Total insanity. Hamas had to be neutralized. All the subsequent killing and destruction could have been averted had Hamas returned the hostages and the perpetrators of the attacks.
insitnctz@reddit
You really believe what you are saying right now?
I mean by your own logic, why Palestine lobbying missiles seems wrong to you? This is your own reasoning. They trying to defend themselves as well, against a state that took their lands and have been aggressive since forever.
Idf has done what hamas did on October 7th a lot more times. I'm not taking hamas side, but to say that Israel is in Gaza right now because of October 7th and their safety is pure ignorance.
Even the argument of human shields is something reported mainly by Israel in order to excuse their genocidal acts in Palestine.
Sorry but all these organizations will exist as long as Israel exists. Don't forget their history. How they took these lands on 1948, how they were the aggressors in most conflicts since then etc. So you expect no answer from the rest of ME and to just give away their lands to "God's chosen people"?
Quarter_Twenty@reddit
The Arabs in 1948 got a whole country in the division, Jordan, that's several times larger than Israel. Pakistan was partitioned in the same year so what's your point?
When Palestinians lob missiles randomly at nearby towns for 2 decades and the kill and rape kids at a music festival, these are war crimes. It's not 'defense.' Nobody in the world even expects them to limit civilian casualties because they're a death cult, who celebrates killing Jews and their own martyrdom. No part of Hamas wants peace. The Gazan civilians are their greatest hostages. Israel has to stop Hamas to protect innocent people on both sides.
kitti-kin@reddit
So you live in Nauru, huh?
Quarter_Twenty@reddit
G'day mate.
kitti-kin@reddit
When did you move from Berkeley?
No_Macaroon_9752@reddit
Israel has occupied Gaza since 1967. An occupation does not require a direct presence of soldiers. Israel has completely surrounded Gaza with a border wall (within the green line, a violation of armistice), with military stationed all around. Gaza does not control its border in international waters, either. Fisherman are prevented from fishing in areas where Israel has forbidden it, despite Gaza supposedly being free. Israel has blockaded Gaza ever since it “pulled out“, inspecting everything that goes in an out, from people to aid trucks. Gaza has had no chance of developing an economy, negotiating peace or trade agreements, gaining international recognition, employing its people, or accessing any kind of self-determination, a right guaranteed by the UN Convention (which was signed by Israel).
As for human shields, try again. Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, Human Rights Watch, Breaking the Silence, B’Tselem, the UN, etc. have shown that Hamas does not use human shields in a way that is unusual in urban warfare (unless you think having the headquarters of the IDF and Mossad in Tel Aviv is using Israeli civilians as human shields), and the IDF uses Palestinians as human shields in violation of international humanitarian law. https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields
https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/mde150152009en.pdf
Israel uses the excuse of Hamas using human shields and protected civilian infrastructure to downplay war crimes. Israel is rarely able to provide actual evidence of violations of civilian protections by Hamas, and when it claims to have evidence, it tends to be debunked upon further examination:
https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/assessment-israeli-material-icj-jan-2024
https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-hospital-attack-analysis-contradicts-israels-evidence-justifying-airstrike-13367823
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/21/al-shifa-hospital-gaza-hamas-israel/
Israel claimed to find some guns and “combat gear” in a hospital that they said was a “command and control center.” Hamas soldiers could have been being treated at the hospital, and their gear confiscated when they entered the hospital. Doctors have a duty of care, no matter who the patients are. Three guns and some outfits is not evidence of a command center, unless you think the farmer down the street from me is secretly planning to take over the US with his shotgun collection.
Israel claimed that the basement connected to Hamas tunnels. WP showed that the tunnels did not connect to the hospital, and the basement was actually built by Israel back in the 1980s. No evidence of a command and control center was produced, especially not on the scale Israel claimed in the propaganda video released by the IDF.
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2023-11/Amnesty%20International%20briefing%20-%20Israel%20Gaza%20crisis%2023%20Nov%202023.pdf?VersionId=9Jp8TjIb5zEqygKLPfuzdAqh8USWQEfE
War crimes committed by an enemy is never a justification to commit more war crimes. It does not matter if your enemy is Hamas or an army of demons or men tying babies to themselves as some form of body armor. There are international humanitarian laws, which Israel agreed to follow, that protect civilians. Hamas violated those laws when they attacked civilians in Israel, and that is one reason why Hamas are treated as terrorists with no international recognition as a state. If Israel wants to be better than Hamas, then they need to actually act like it.
modianoyyo@reddit
perfect
Oppopity@reddit
👏👏👏
cheeruphumanity@reddit
Uncanny how many accounts here are spreading Israeli talking points and their nonsensical narratives.
Upping the budget for influence campaigns by $150 million really seems to pay off.
insitnctz@reddit
Bot accounts that don't know history, don't know what zionism is and are pretty much lack the ability to critically think.
Quarter_Twenty@reddit
Is that supposed to be a counter-argument?
ExtremeAcceptable289@reddit
Right, they pulled out of gaza - not before having settlers destroy a metric s###load of infrastructure and placing a blockade causing 100s of millions of $ of losses
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
How is Israel pulling out of Gaza justification for Israel killing children in the West Bank?
DarkCrawler_901@reddit
Do you think this conflict started with Hamas?
Brilliant-Tackle5774@reddit
By murdering tens of thousands of innocent children?
Quarter_Twenty@reddit
Hamas bears sole responsibility. They could end this today.
Antalol@reddit
Israel: Starves millions of civilians on purpose, destroys all their sources of clean drinking water, causes the highest number of child amputees of any conflict in modern history
You: HAMAS
Brilliant-Tackle5774@reddit
Hasbara troll pretending to be from Nauru
imunfair@reddit
It's more a question of proportion, there are plenty of long running tit for tat feuds, but when the strategy of a nation is "you kill 10 of ours we'll slaughter your entire village, your cat, and salt your fields so nothing ever grows there again" - the response from onlookers isn't "whoa he's strong" it's "calm down psycho".
Funoichi@reddit
How many deaths should Gaza and Iran tolerate? Israel has been inflicting daily death on Gaza since way before Oct 7th.
Then Iran was attacked completely unprovoked. They are justifiably retaliating to the aggression. I’m sure Iran is happy for your support and mine.
It will be good to remove Israel’s ability to continue attacking, although there is a long road ahead on that.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Please identify what any EU member state would do differently in response if a neighbor attacked and killed and took hostage a similar proportion of its people.
No_Macaroon_9752@reddit
Sure. Look at Ukraine right now. How many Russian civilians have died compared to the number of Ukrainian civilians? Moscow has not released an official count, but an independent news source (called 7x7) estimated 79 deaths between Feb 2022 and Jul 2023. Between Feb 2022 and Feb 2025, over 12,654 Ukrainian civilians died. In comparison, Israel alone killed more Palestinian civilians (specifically over 16,000 women and children) in one year than in any other modern conflict, including in the Syrian civil war and the US war in Iraq (where civilians were killed by both sides fighting in the conflict), https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-children-killed-gaza-israeli-military-any-other-recent-conflict .
Israel has also destroyed over 90% of civilian infrastructure (homes, hospitals, schools, shops, aid distribution centers, etc.), killed over 90% of the agricultural animals (sheep, goats, donkeys, etc.), made over 95% of the agricultural land unusable (destroyed wells, greenhouses, fields), killed more aid workers and journalists than any other modern conflict, and has murdered people seeking food after a complete blockade of Gaza for months. https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/a-cartography-of-genocide
Seems like Israel’s actions are a bit disproportionate, even if you widen the search from EU states to the entire world. My guess is today’s member states would have a hard time justifying the number of war crimes Israel has committed, let alone a genocide.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Bad example since what Ukraine can do to get its kidnapped children back is more limited than what Israel can do. Tell me what Ukraine would have done if it was Moldova who attacked, not Russia.
No_Macaroon_9752@reddit
I can’t tell you what Ukraine would have done if Moldova attacked, but my guess is that it wouldn’t have been anywhere close to what Israel is doing. First of all, Moldova is part of the Partnership for Peace, as is Ukraine. Both Moldova and Ukraine are also aspiring EU members. They already have a negotiation and diplomatic framework in which to operate without resorting to violence. There have, as far as I know, not been any modern conflicts between Ukraine and Moldova, so there aren’t ethnonationalist or racist tensions that affect how logically this can be approached. Neither Ukraine nor Moldova claim irrelevant religious or indigenous priority over land; there is no historical violation of human rights that led to more violations of human rights. There is no international favoritism that makes one nation significantly more powerful and less accountable than the other.
The question of how Ukraine would respond would be rely on what Moldova’s goals were - when civilians are at high risk, steps are usually taken to solve problems with less violence. For example, when US citizens were held hostage in Iran (due to the US overthrowing a democratically-elected government to install a Shah who would sell cheap oil to the US), the US didn’t just bomb Tehran to the ground (which Israel absolutely has done to Gaza), dooming the hostages to a very high risk of injury and death. When the US found out Bin Laden was in Pakistan, it sent in a tactical team instead of using a two-ton bomb.
Israel also has a diplomatic framework to negotiate, in that it and the US have established Qatar as neutral ground. Qatar has experience in these types of negotiations. Israel, with Netanyahu and other far-right officials, have consistently stated that they are not going to accept any peace treaty that would indefinitely prevent them from continuing their ethnic cleansing (all you have to do is listen to what they have said in Hebrew, and more recently, English). Israel is not engaging in normal foreign policy here. The limits that exist on other countries (diplomatic, political, and monetary) just do not apply to Israel, as has been testified by numerous international aid organizations and people who have resigned from the US State Department due to this conflict. The US provides cover for Israel and funds over 1/3 of its military, as well as providing the missiles Israel uses for the iron dome and to attack Iran.
Honestly, though, you’re asking for hypotheticals specifically because Israel’s situation just does not exist for other European countries, and that is not an accident of circumstance. Europe was engaged in war for a majority of its existence, and only since WWII has peace been any kind of priority. That takes work and compromise and recognition of shared humanity and rights. Israel has not been motivated to make the same sacrifices because it is backed by the US, UK, France, Germany, and other powerful countries. It has not been held accountable for atrocities committed during its founding, nor has anyone high up in government or the military faced any real consequences. They have been able to maintain the myth that mistakes happen, but they seem to happen with alarming regularity for Israel (and the US, but that is another discussion).
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
If you want to hold Israel to a standard, first you have to establish that standard through comparable circumstances.
You refuse to answer my question though, assuming that what happened to Israel could not happen elsewhere and then blithely assuming that if it did there would be a different outcome.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
“The UN report, mandated by the Human Rights Council, documented 143,350 civilian deaths with detailed information and used statistical techniques to estimate an additional 163,537 deaths, bringing the total to 306,887, according to the UN. This represents an average of 83 civilians killed each day due to the conflict, according to UN News. The report emphasizes that these are deaths directly resulting from war operations, not including those who died due to loss of access to essential services.”
A risk Syrian war estimates are close to 500k when you account for deaths due to lack of water/food/care
ExtremeAcceptable289@reddit
Gaza MoH data doesnt take lack of needs into account
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Because the lack of needs doesn’t factor in until after the war is over
ExtremeAcceptable289@reddit
Yes. It is dishonest to take those into account
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
I didn’t, I just simply pointed out it’s closer to half a million with them. Without them it’s 306k.
Assassinduck@reddit
All of them.
Israel is unique in its evil, here. It holds a culture that breeds evil as if it was grass.
The idea that you have to project some constant idea of bloodlust on the entire world, to protect the Zionist entity, should tell you how wrong you are.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Wow, you really layered on the tropes without identifying how other nations would respond differently to such an attack.
Assassinduck@reddit
I don't need to try to beat your argument, because it dies on its own merits. It rests entirely on an unspoken presupposition that what Israel is doing, is normal and fine, carried by nothing other than the need for that to be true, which, if you believe that, you are Irredeemable.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
You mean you have no counter argument.
Assassinduck@reddit
No.
I explained quite clearly why it's a waste of time. Not all "arguments" merit a response, because se of them are actually dumb that I don't have to cuz it's obvious on its face.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
No, you illuminated how antisemitism works and how little ethical or real world credibility you have.
Assassinduck@reddit
Antisemitism?
I've never claimed this evil that lives in Israels veins, to be a product of its Jewish character. It's merely the obvious byproduct of creating and nurturing a society that puts power, and narcissim over everything in the world.
It's white supremacy in its purest form. My ethical and real world credibility is perfectly fine, thank you.
PainterRude1394@reddit
White supremacy lmfao
Assassinduck@reddit
Correct.
White, not as in skin color, but is in social, legal, and spiritual, grouping.
OsgrobioPrubeta@reddit
Google Iran-Contras, it includes Israel sending weapons to Iran, imagine that!
That case returned to the spotlight during Obama's presidency, go see why.
Hasn't Israel negotiated hostages situations before successfully? It has.
EU countries dealt with many hostages, terrorism and disputes via diplomacy many times, in fact it was our preferred and only method before Bush-war-on-everything policy became dominant.
We had a colonial past, more recent that you might think, and we even fought each other at some even being friendly on our own territories. With the majority we managed to abandon those territories and maintain good relations, we also used those good relations as mediators in conflicts. Europe was THE place for diplomacy, no wonder many peace agreements were made in Europe and have European names on them.
Unfortunately 2 diplomacies were adopted by Europe more recently that undermined our credibility and capability, the already mentioned “Bushification", and the Peace by Trade created by Angela Merkel that backfired.
But the European population still prefers the diplomatic method, having no problems with military intervention if needed, BUT on a proportional and objective way, not a free-to-do anything way.
If we go into results... US methods, mostly done by Republicans, only created more problems.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
You ignored important parts of the question. I am not talking about handful of deaths and hostages. Imagine this was say France, if the proportions were similar it would be thousands of hostages and tens of thousands killed in a brutal cross border attack. You think she would just negotiate?
OsgrobioPrubeta@reddit
Where are, or where the thousands of hostages or killed? Only at true victims side, unless you're trying to aggregate them all. As I already told you, we were at that point many times.
Want one success from the US that combined, military action with negotiations, and probably the biggest plan that involved the whole Europe? WWII, how allies dealt with Nazis and fascists, how at same time countered URSS and the Marshall plan. There was almost to none punishment or retaliation, learned from previous mistakes and didn't imposed draconian measures, forced treaties so that peace was assured, lended billions of dollars to promote a stable democracy... and look at us now. It worked, didn't it?
The war of punishment never worked.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
We firebombed Dresden and leveled most cities in Germany until they unconditionally surrendered. Has Hamas unconditionally surrendered yet?
OsgrobioPrubeta@reddit
The bombings didn't do anything better in order to end the war, the same way it didn't at Vietnam, Cambodia, just accusations of war crimes.
Not comparable.
Funoichi@reddit
What would any eu member state do if they had their territory surrounded by hostile foreign forces who then decided at gunpoint to dictate the terms of their continued existence?
souperjar@reddit
The founders of Israel made it really clear that the goal with Israel was to steal a whole bunch of land right in a spot where people already lived. They knew they were the aggressors, they knew it would make enemies. They didn't give a shit about the consequences, their plan was to kill their way through any problems.
Nahum Goldmann reported that David Ben-Gurion said to him on the issue of Arab opposition to Israel:
”Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country."
When have the Israelis ever sought to fix relations with their neighbors after these crimes? Never. Right now, Israeli settlers continue to rob Arabs at their borders with the full backing of the government.
Despite all this, I am still somewhat sympathetic to those born into this horrible circumstance, but my sympathies do not extend from the innocent individuals to the enormously guilty state project, which obviously has to cut this shit out if they don't want to be surrounded by enemies.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Israel made peace with Egypt, with Jordan, with all the nations that attacked her but Syria and Lebanon, and the nascent Palestinian state, because those entities have refused peace.
Brilliant-Tackle5774@reddit
Complete and utter bollocks
Funoichi@reddit
Yep yep, great additions. Hope that intrepidad2478 sees this too. Since they were trying to defend Israel.
Brilliant-Tackle5774@reddit
They wouldn't murder tens of thousands of innocent children
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Neither has Israel. What would they do? Be more specific.
Brilliant-Tackle5774@reddit
Liar they have murdered hundreds every day for the past 20 months, no point talking to hasbara, they always just lie
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Hamas, by hiding amongst the civilians is responsible for civilian deaths under the laws of armed conflict.
imunfair@reddit
There are plenty of examples - France and England fought each other for centuries, most of the European nations fought each other in fact, and rarely if ever did they use starvation as a weapon or put civilians to the sword in an attempt to punish the army of the enemy nation.
The only instance I can think of starvation being used is in castle sieges, not as a method of collective punishment.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Castle sieges were collective punishment…
imunfair@reddit
Not in any intentional sense of the word. The purpose was to starve out the defenders - any civilians were just collateral, not a pressure point.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Civilians were a pressure point, release them to be slaves or let them starve to death. There’s plenty of instances of armies burning all the surrounding farms, poisoning the wells, launching disease ridden carcasses into the castle….those acts don’t only hurt the defenders, they’re made to cause pressure by committing everyone inside the walls to misery.
imunfair@reddit
Unfortunately the examples you just gave just show that you don't understand the concept. Try to think about it in terms of what Israel wants from the civilians in Gaza, versus what a castle siege wanted from any civilians sheltering in the castle. Then maybe you'll understand why one is a pressure point and the other is collateral.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
“Collective punishment is when a group of people are penalized for the actions of one or more individuals within that group.”
I mean cmon man, let’s at least try to be sensical. The erasure of entire bloodlines in castle sieges due to the actions of a single member of a family? The entire population of the castle enduring starvation, disease and dehydration because of the actions of their lord? These are the basic fundamentals of collective punishment.
imunfair@reddit
Sorry that you can't wrap your head around the difference between collateral damage and people being penalized for a reason. Not much more I can do to help you, I gave you a couple clear explanations, if you don't want to understand it no one is going to be able to make you.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
lol that’s such a Reddit answer. “You just don’t understand” it’s the literal definition it’s an apples to apples comparison of collective punishment.
Gaza government attacks a foreign country, foreign country lays siege to Gaza and denies civilians water, food, medicine
Now change Gaza to France or Gaul or Britain and make it a castle instead of a city.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Except Israel is trying to feed the civilians while denying g food to the government.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
At most points yes, I agree with you. I think there were definitely temporary lapses though, these are what critics of Israel capitalize on. Proving that these lapses equate to collective punishment with no extraneous circumstances is a grey area for a lot of people.
imunfair@reddit
And demanded actions from the civilians in order to stop depriving them of those items. Thus demonstrating that the action was specifically pressure against the civilians and not Hamas. Welcome to the conversation, you've discovered the difference between collective punishment and collateral damage.
GR1ZZLYBEARZ@reddit
Nah, civilians in a siege were not collateral bro unless they were hit by trebuchets firing at defenders, they were collectively punished. You can read lots of historical accounts saying the same thing. They all call it collective punishment, not collateral damage. The civilians in Gaza are collateral due to the nature of how Hamas operates, same as the trebuchet example above.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
In WW1 The UK purposefully starved Germany by denying the importation of food. In WW2 the allies bombed indiscriminately (because they could not be more precise sometimes, sometimes it was the point).
cheeruphumanity@reddit
Everything.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Be specific. Would they use military force to free hostages? Would they allow the enemy government to continue in power to do it again later?
thethirstypretzel@reddit
This is one of the most succinct and accurate analyses of their strategy I’ve seen. And the strategy has worked on a small scale, but under scrutiny and widespread attention it falls apart because it lacks the consistency of honesty. I can only hope for the day that those responsible are held accountable or at the very least openly and universally shamed. It was trending in this direction, so it’s extremely fishy that after 30+ years of being ‘on the brink’ of nuclear weapons, action against Iran is suddenly urgent. The indisputable ‘evidence’ can’t be provided beyond a ‘trust us’. Another call for unquestioning support and a distraction from daily war crimes.
Sacaron_R3@reddit
It works because Israel has a lot of supporters in the american congress, which in turn gained them a lot of supporters in other countries. Pretty much every high ranked politician in germany would rather bite off their tongue than criticize Israel.
I'm not convinced Israel is every gonna see the fallout of their decisions. They might end up like Japan, whose past gets internally glorified and externally ignored because its a useful geopolitical ally. Why should they change their ways if no one ever pushes back?
ChaosDancer@reddit
I always dismissed allegations that Israel somehow controls the US political process. The money provided by the Israel lobby has always been peanuts and the religious angles has always been beyond me.
But after the bombing its beyond the shadow of the doubt that the US is really subservient to Israel political interests.
waj5001@reddit
It's just the intersectionality of power between religion and wealth.
Israel's power over the US, UK, France, etc. is derived from the wealthy Jewish diaspora in those countries. A system of dual-allegiance allows massive amounts of domestic political pressure to implement policy that aligns with Israel. You can easily see this when you look at local elections in places like New York City.
When it's structured that way, It's not really an "Israel lobby", it's just the highly influential business and finance community in their resident nations/communities that is over-representing geopolitical viewpoints and support because of the underlying faith of those influential individuals.
idontgetit_too@reddit
I think this doesn't quite apply to Judaism. While Christians and Muslims can face that dilemma, ultimately in their grand vision, you'll become one of them and therefore your allegiance to a nation isn't a threat / blocker.
But Judaism doesn't really care to convert you, they see themselves as the chosen people and everybody else can suck a fat dick, so by extension of that vision, any nation other than Israel is to some extent, either an enemy or something to subvert to further your own goals.
The othering they get is mostly a reflection of the othering that they perceive the world with. It's purely self-inflicted because there's no way all the tribes that came and settled in Europe managed to mingle and melt into their future nation state identity in a matter of generations and yet those guys from the middle east somehow couldn't hack it over centuries. And it's not just a purely religious thing but very much a cultural bastion they will not let go of. To some extent it's the same recipe that's plaguing the US with identity politics and that weird origin fetish -45% Swedish, 30% Spanish, 25% Goldfish; which again, only matters for Judaism, as the other Abrahamic religions will take you in regardless of your pedigree.
I mean, they still mad about the Roman Empire and the Titus gate. While it's silly, you got to take a moment to ponder why that is and when you get to an answer then it explains a lot of things.
Ultimately, the best outcome would be the creation of a second Israel (a sane one) somewhere else not rife with conflict so that they can live their Zionist dream in peace and leave the rest of the world alone.
Morgn_Ladimore@reddit
Not just the US. Many countries in Europe as well.
adeveloper2@reddit
Israel relies on lies, American backing, and extreme saturation of propaganda in English media to achieve their goals.
Lonely_Dragonfly8869@reddit
Well said, the only thing I will add is they do starve gaza as well, destroyed not only the hospitals but every bakery in the strip of 2 million. Impossible to read that as anything but genocidal
Private_HughMan@reddit
The idea of adjusting terror attacks by population size seems very wrong to me. Like, does that mean one Canadian murder is equal to 10 American murders? When 100 French civilians were killed in Nice, does that mean it was as bad as the ~700 Israeli civilians killed on Oct 7th?
imunfair@reddit
The ironic part is that Palestine has an even lower population than Israel, which by the Israeli logic of population size should double the amount of horror created by any Palestinian death. So that makes what Israel has done in Gaza sixty times worse than the Hamas attack they claimed was "worse than 9/11".
anomie89@reddit
not to both sides it, but that type of behavior is very middle eastern. the indignant outrage-victim strategy. I don't see it done elsewhere quite like the Islamic nations and Israel. I just assume it's like a cultural thing from that region.
shieeet@reddit
mfw someone with a North America tag is finger-pointing about another region's supposed "indignant outrage-victim strategy" 🤦♂️
They renamed French fries to "freedom fries" lmao
crackassitoni@reddit
"No hearing. No draft for comments, only a list of questions! Not even a minimal opportunity for Israel to respond, to defend itself, or to be treated with the respect owed to any sovereign nation"
Respect owed to ANY sovereign Country?! Like Iran maybe? Fuckin hypocrites
Brilliant-Tackle5774@reddit
Not really a country though is it, more like a failed zionist land theft experiment
crackassitoni@reddit
if you mean isreal then yes
Edelkern@reddit
"Sovereign" while being propped up by the USA.
crackassitoni@reddit
what a joke
Prosthemadera@reddit
Good, good. What is Israel going to do about it? Israel is not an important enough country.
The more Israel attacks the EU the better for everyone.
This is ridiculous, of course, but it's also dumb to argue that Hamas will attack Europe. Hamas has never done that in all these decades.
eggnogui@reddit
Israel, the eternal victim.
Weirdyxxy@reddit
In before the review? During the review? Are the questions lacking questions about justifications? Is this response not a drafted comment, or is it not expected to be received by those doing the review?
There might very well be a glaring oversight, but I don't know if there is. As for common customs of diplomacy, I don't know enough to comment too much on the respect angle
classteen@reddit
And r/worldnews bots still have the guts to support Israel. Fucking bandwagoners. Even EU, as hypocritical as ever, acknowledges their genocidal acts.
Tangentkoala@reddit
Legit hands down Netenyahu doesn't give two fucks. He's old as fuck and he just wants to die in office.
He doesn't care for the future peace of israel or the alienation from other countries. Cut the fake outrage lol
empleadoEstatalBot@reddit
Maintainer | Source Code | Stats
AutoModerator@reddit
The link you have provided contains keywords for topics associated with an active conflict, and has automatically been flaired accordingly. If the flair was not updated, the link submitter MUST do so. Due to submissions regarding active conflicts generating more contrasting discussion, comments will only be available to users who have set a subreddit user flair, and must strictly comply with subreddit rules. Posters who change the assigned post flair without permission will be temporarily banned. Commenters who violate Reddiquette and civility rules will be summarily banned.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.