Yemen’s Houthis movement has issued a stark warning to the United States: "Any strike on Iran will trigger direct attacks on American naval vessels in the Red Sea. (just 2 hours ago before the Iran news.)
Posted by AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 430 comments
Curious_Avocado2399@reddit
I’m far left as they come. But drone strike the diddlers, slaver, and zeolots. Fuck em
martareyes995@reddit
The civil war in Sudan is already tragic. With Iran's entry, the conflict risks becoming another geopolitical flashpoint, with consequences for Israel, the Gulf States, Africa, and the West. Preventing it is a shared responsibility.
The_Black_Death_3@reddit
Now we wait to see if they will follow through?
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
We already bombed Yemen how many weeks ago... then the recent Iran news... if they touch the boats, we're going to be bombing them then again, without fail historically speaking.
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
That worked out so well in Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan. US coming in 0-3 on fighting smaller, less equipped forces in the 20th and 21st centuries.
As an Afghanistan vet it boggles the mind how we still think air superiority is some magic key to victory. Wars aren’t won from the sky or the sea, literally all the Houthis have to do is survive. Brute military strength doesn’t beat insurgents, ask the Redcoats and General Cornwallis.
StarDue6540@reddit
With our dear leader the anti war president at the helm. No less.
Astral-projekt@reddit
I’ve never fought in war, but the one thing that’s been obvious to me about war is you can’t kill an ideology unless you eradicate all life.
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
You’re smarter than any general I served under.
Astral-projekt@reddit
Makes me sad, dropping bombs and starving families and leaving children to pick up the pieces metaphorically and literally only breeds an eternal resentment and a guarantee that you will have enemies down the line. It’s inhumane and it’s not sustainable.
HabitualK@reddit
I completely agree with this sentiment, but curious what is the alternative? Do we just accept as society that we need to live with global hatred, and threat of life because of conflicting ideologies?
I’m not saying bombs are the answer, but realistically, what else is? How do you fight death cults? Education and olive branches have never proven to work… is the western ideology of life wrong? Should we be striving for something more aligned to China/Iran/Russia? Or something in the middle?
There’s so much complaining on the internet, but absolutely zero solutions.
krutacautious@reddit
Western imperialism is wrong. The solution is simple, non interference policy. Westerners think they can suppress ideologies with bombs, they are very wrong.
Why bring China here lol. They're actually the good guys.
C-4isNOTurFriend@reddit
im not arguing your numbers, China is not the Cillian it is painted as, nor is it the paragon of virtues youseem to be leaning towards. it has some major flaws, but we could EASILY take the good and learn from the bad and be better for it
b16b34r@reddit
Sadly the real world doesn’t come in good guys and bad guys, pointing the bad on USA doesn’t mean China is the good one, they’re setting the scenario to become what the USA is(or was if you will) in the last 80 years, they want the influence and leverage USA has, “investing” in infrastructure around the world isn’t a good will move, is gaining leverage and control of other countries. There are no good ones, just selfish interests.
bama501996@reddit
I don't disagree with anything your saying necessarily, but painting China as a one sided force for good is a bit extreme. Their treatment of the uighurr Muslims being the most extream counter point i know. Other than that there is their take on censorship, and their policy on crimes committed in or against other countries. They've also been strong arming their whole new silk road project for a while.
To be clear I don't think America is in any position to judge how other countries are being run right now. But we shouldn't turn a blind eye to problems because of some alleged results (they are fairly good at controlling information about their country after all).
krutacautious@reddit
Since you mentioned Uyghurs and Xinjiang, I have to go into the details.
The Mujahideen fighters and the funding of extremist Islamic ideology by the USA (well-documented, with Pakistan aiding the US in this effort) to fight communists in Afghanistan had unintended consequences in the Middle East and neighboring Central Asian countries. After the USSR fell, the US lost interest in the Mujahideen, and those groups evolved into what became the Taliban. Later, organizations like ISIS were formed.
During the USA's "War on Terror," which caused extreme destabilization in the Middle East and Iraq, extremist Islam spread into China through Central Asia.
Dozens of terrorist attacks were orchestrated by Uyghur extremists against other minorities in Xinjiang (which isn't only home to Uyghurs, but also Tajiks, Mongols, and Han people). These attacks caused hundreds of civilian deaths. The Chinese government had to intervene to stop the flow of extremism into China. They sealed their borders and increased surveillance.
It's undeniable that the Chinese government was harsh on Uyghur Muslims during that time, but the situation was heavily exaggerated by Western media. There were no state-sponsored mass killings or state-run concentration camps holding millions of people, nor was there widespread Uyghur slave labor.
First of all, there is no genocide of Uyghurs happening in China.
U.S. State Department Lawyers Concluded China Committed Crimes Against Humanity in Xinjiang but Not Enough Proof to Prove Genocide in a Court of Law https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
Even U.S. State Department who always over exaggerated China's problems, agree with it.
The Uyghur population has actually nearly doubled, both in absolute numbers and in relative percentage compared to the majority Han population. This is most likely because Chinese minorities, including Uyghurs, were exempt from the one-child policy (which only applied to the majority Han community).
Since there’s no actual genocide happening, the new narrative is that China is conducting "cultural genocide" of Uyghurs, like by making Mandarin a compulsory language to learn. Like what? How is that different from Native Americans or American minorities learning English as a second language? How does that qualify as cultural genocide? They were already stretching the definition of genocide by adding "culture" into it.
Speaking of language, the Mongolian minority in China still uses the ancient traditional Mongolian script. Meanwhile, Mongolians in Mongolia use Cyrillic script due to Soviet influence.
And it’s not like China hates Muslims. There are around 39,000 mosques across China. The majority of Muslims in China are Hui Muslims.
By the way, most Western media outlets cite the work of Adrian Zenz when reporting on the Uyghur genocide. Adrian Zenz is a German evangelical Christian who believes God sent him to destroy China. He doesn’t even speak Mandarin.
There’s a reason why there’s zero evidence that can stand up in a court of law proving that a Uyghur genocide is taking place. If the Chinese government really did detain one million Uyghurs in concentration camps, as Western media claims, that would mean roughly 1 out of every 10 Uyghurs went into these camps, which would have caused a noticeable population drop.
That would also mean nearly everyone would have a friend or family member who went to a concentration camp. Yet, no such widespread testimonies exist. Uyghur students even receive preferential treatment for university admissions in major cities ( by getting free points in Gaokao ). Cities like Kashgar and Urumqi show no signs that entire communities have lost family members to camps.
https://youtu.be/ykZZocm1nmE?si=74FMzL7wzG9rZaCV
https://youtu.be/_mrm0H7sibE?si=aI8Kev37Sb8bmUCv
Take these vlogs with a grain of salt, but honestly, it doesn’t look to me like these people are being genocided or have family members in concentration camps
bama501996@reddit
Look I'm not going to debate the finer details and justifications for miss treating minorities. You also spent a lot of time countering the massacre and concentration camp claim when i made neither. America isnt doing that to their black comunites but if i claimed they were being mistreated at least half of the internet would agree. Yet I'm sure the state department would say it's all good. So even if it's not a black and white issue a cursory google showes that its still an ongoing issue.
The US state department and the un wouldn't have investigated nothing. Them being too scared to outright condem China is hardly proof that China did nothing wrong.
I noticed you ignored my comments about censorship, crime, and the new silk road though. I'm sure all of their actions are above board there.
You did bring up the one child policy which is an awesome sign that they are the good guys in all of this.
Also pointing towards America's treatment of native Americans probably isn't the win you thought it was. I disagree with that in a historical context as well
The point I was trying to make is that No nation is the good guy. It's all naritive spin. If your Chinese I'm sorry if you thought I was dissing your country. China is clearly killing it on the world stage rn. That doesn't mean they have a squeaky clean closet though.
These might all sound like separate thoughts and that's because they are. Sorry I don't feel like structuring them in actual debate format but we are in a reddit comment section after all.
krutacautious@reddit
USA always exaggerates issues happening in China a hundredfold, while downplaying the issues happening in say allied countries like Israel.
So if they’re saying genocide isn’t happening in Xinjiang, I would believe them, and think Xinjiang is doing far better than what the US State Department claims.
Meanwhile, when it comes to Gaza, the USA is actually scared to condemn Israel. So I would assume much worse is happening there.
Believing what the USA and US media say about China is like believing what Russia says about Ukraine. Russia Today (RT) claims Ukrainians are Nazis and were mistreating Russian speaking minorities. Do you believe that?
No powerful or wealthy Muslim nation has condemned China. In fact, many have sent embassy officials to visit Muslim-majority regions in China. Some Arab leaders have even praised China’s counter extremism efforts. So I don't understand why Westerners ( who generally harbor hostility toward Muslims ) suddenly claim to care about Uyghur Muslims. Meanwhile, actual Muslim countries, such as those in the OIC (Organization of Islamic Cooperation), have never condemned China but continue to condemn Israel's genocidal bombing campaigns in Gaza ( which is being ignored by all major Western powers )
Because the comment would have become too long. Censorship isn't a problem. You can’t post hate speech against any minority community on Chinese social media, hate speech is actively banned there. It's perfectly reasonable for a country to shield itself from Western narratives dominating its internal discourse. The CIA and MI6 have a history of exploiting open and welcoming societies to cause chaos and topple governments (look into the CIA's methods in overthrowing Iran’s democratically elected government in 1953, its success became a blueprint for later operations).
China values societal stability above all else. Most Eastern cultures are like that, whether democratic or not. (For example, Japan is essentially a one-party state, people always vote for the LDP, which has been in power for over 70 years post-WWII. Despite the LDP’s low approval, they still win. In contrast, the CCP in China enjoys high approval, with around 100 million members doing grassroots work. That means around 700–800 million Chinese are connected to someone in the CCP.)
You disagreeing doesn’t change the fact that Native Americans were displaced & replaced by Europeans. Their culture has been nearly erased. There are too few of them left in the US and Canada for their cultures to thrive & evolve.
Meanwhile, the Uyghur population kept growing. They weren’t subject to the one child policy, and they were not, in fact, being sterilized en masse as Western media claimed. Their language and culture still survive, and they have enough of population for their culture to keep evolving.
Contrast that with Ethiopian Jews (people of color) in Israel, who were being sterilized for years.
Never said it. Chinese government was initially too harsh on the Uyghur community following the terrorist attacks.
But the reporting in Western media is often highly exaggerated, biased, and sometimes blatantly false. You can’t really fault them, China is percieved as an enemy country after all. And Media is a weapon.
What’s interesting, though, is that most educated Chinese people are aware of their own government and media propaganda. Meanwhile, even educated Westerners seem to gobble up cartoonishly evil portrayals of China ( always doing human rights violations for fun and conspiring against Americans )
Take, for example, the case of two respected & well known in their field, Chinese scientists from the University of Michigan, whose work has been cited by many in Nature. They were caught at the airport carrying fungus samples for research.
This is not unusual. Many scientists do this without the paperwork because the approval process takes too long, and the samples might degrade or die. Academic competition is cutthroat when it comes to publishing research, so some people have been caught doing it to save time and costs.
Yet this innocent, albeit illegal act (with no malicious intent; the fungus already exists in the USA) was blown out of proportion by American media. Headlines claimed: “Two Chinese scientists linked to the CCP caught smuggling deadly fungus into the USA,” and saying China is unleashing bioterrorism on USA. How unscientific and insecure does that sound?
And since the CCP has around 100 million members, it's natural that 700–800 million people have friends or family in the party. So, it's not out of the ordinary that two random Chinese scientists would have some family members in the party. But it became a cause for hysteria in the Western press.
Same with blaming China for the fentanyl crisis, portraying it as China’s revenge for the Opium crisis back in the day. Instead of addressing the underlying issues like mental health, housing problems & relaxed drug laws, they’ve found a convenient scapegoat. For example, India imports the majority of China’s active pharmaceutical ingredients and precursors, yet it doesn’t have a fentanyl problem.
bama501996@reddit
I don't have time to parse all that individually but let me hit the high points. Loved the Isreal misdirect. And randomly bringing up a hyper specific story about the 2 scientist. Your continuing to ignore the big picture I'm talking about though.
Calling out the US's use of propaganda and then saying we should trust the Chines government to self report sounds disingenuous.
And I'll make no claims about how the US's government treats Muslims and muslim majority countries, but plenty of citizens have been against Israel's actions and against the various wars in the middle east.
The original point I was making stands. Your initial comment was painting China as a white knight saving the homeless and disenfranchised. All I was suggesting was that there may be some nuance that, that take was lacking.
I wouldn't call China cartoonishly evil because I don't think the world stage is so black and white. Which, again, was my whole point. If I had to attribute one addictive to China it would be effective. I also think most educated people in America understand propaganda exists both ways. However, I will admit, an effort has been made by the leadership in this country to hamper education. Trump has made it very blatant, but it is the result of a process that has been going on for decades.
krutacautious@reddit
Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
I brought it up because it literally happened just two weeks ago. It's a very recent event and a clear example of hysteria.
I never said that. I'm just pointing out that not everything the USA says is true, and not everything the Chinese government says is false. People should understand that the first thing a rival country does is try to destroy the credibility of its opponent. Even though USA is better at these things now, China might become better at them in future.
Umtks892@reddit
Why you guys suddenly discussing China lol.
What happened to the actual topic?
Honey_DandyHandyMan@reddit
They invaded Tibet and subjugated it's entire population just because they could. They have enslaved millions of dissidents to either donate their organs or work in sweatshops till they drop dead. Yeah no they are not the good guys. Unfortunately no one is.
krutacautious@reddit
Tibet had been part of China way before USA was a country.
Baseless propaganda with zero proof. RT says all sorts of things about Ukrainians being Nazis, do you believe that?
Westerners just love muddying the waters. It's like they can't digest that a non-Western government is objectively doing far better and actually gaining power without killing people & causing chaos around the world.
twirling-upward@reddit
Bro after the western imperialism you didnt need to elaborate on your nonsense
krutacautious@reddit
I have free time
Sparkly_Pie@reddit
Bombs are absolutely the cause of the hatred. To assume any action out of Brown people against America is just jealousy of our freedoms and not a direct response to our endless actions against them is ignorant. Any hatred we receive is unfortunately an absolute consequence of us supporting or directly exacting violence upon those communities
cjenkins14@reddit
Global hatred will never go away, full stop. The states has caused too much damage round the globe to too many generations for it to ever go away. The threat of life doesn't exist because of conflicting ideologies. It exists because we won't stop sticking our dicks in everything to line the coffers of the military industrial complex
StoneDiggers@reddit
You realize that the literal death cult is the majority religion in the USA?
dremolock@reddit
That and the fact that a jihadist hierarchy has a strangle hold on the Islamic state.
AzureWave313@reddit
This is the truth none of the warhawks want to hear. Their “perpetual enemy” or “terrorists” are the fathers, sons, and brothers of the wives, daughters, sons, and brothers killed by soldiers in the name of “eradicating terrorism”
cldstrife15@reddit
Reasonable and compassionate foreign policy doesn't sell bombs.
Interesting-Kiwi433@reddit
If you aren’t willing to go all the way, don’t start a war.
MTgunguru@reddit
They dropped bombs on Nuclear facilities numbnut
foxlikething@reddit
heartbreakingly well-put.
Mountain-Ask-6223@reddit
Which general did you serve under?
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
Townsend, Kurilla and Mingus. Can’t stand Kurilla
mythozoologist@reddit
All about the scope of operation. You could hit airfields, shipyards, bases, and infustructure. Reducing their ability to make war for a time period. Or you can topple a government in days. What you might not be able to do is get the regime change you want. Occupation until the preferred democracy hasn't gone well in the Middle East.
jacquesroland@reddit
How was Nazism and Japanese imperialism defeated? Most Nazis survived WWII, yet Germany is not some future iteration of the 4th Reich.
DaisyHotCakes@reddit
They survived in the US. What do you think is happening in the US right now?
Herban_Myth@reddit
Hooray Capitalism!
NotDavidNotGoliath@reddit
What’s even worse, by forcing these children to grow up in a post war world you are creating future enemies
katbyte@reddit
You can win a people over by giving them food money education jobs a better life building homes school etc
But that’s hard and takes time effort and empathy
The money goes to lots of people and the country you are trying to help vs enriching the already wealthy who profit off war
So bombs it is!
Crytid_Currency@reddit
Yeah nah. You’re making meme arguments.
The US took Afghanistan in no time with very few losses. Victory and occupation are not synonymous.
LTIRfortheWIN@reddit
exactly, it's am an Iraq veteran. i agree with you 100%
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
Thank you for your service and glad you’re still here
LTIRfortheWIN@reddit
Thank you
slurpeedrunkard@reddit
^^ well informed war fighter
darthnugget@reddit
Let’s be honest, many of the US wars were fought with heavy restraint because the US wanted something from them or had some vague noble reasoning. Not sure this applies to today. Unless the want is less oil supply? Serious question, what would the US want from Yemen?
fortevn@reddit
"Heavy restraint"? in Vietnam? They bombed the shit out of everything, civil target or not. Napalm, Orange Agent still fucking up my country to this day.
"Noble reasoning"? Please lmao.
BackgroundSea0@reddit
Korea is still an armistice, which happened once China’s raw numbers forced a stalemate. The military was 100% not allowed to go all out in Vietnam due to a combination of factors, including less controlled media reporting, national politics, and civil unrest in the US. Iraq allowed for the military to flex its muscles in the initial invasion but was forced into restraint during the subsequent occupation. Afghanistan has a lot of caves…
darthnugget@reddit
Definitely “Heavy restraint”… the US didn’t nuke Vietnam.
bad_kiwi2020@reddit
More tonnage of bombs was dropped on Vietnam, Cambodia, & Laos, than was dropped by all combatants during WW2
SirPhilMcKraken@reddit
Yet zero nukes were used.
SirPhilMcKraken@reddit
Heavy restraint because the US COULD have used hundreds of nukes in Vietnam…and in fact a certain individual was planning to use nukes in the Korean War…but was stopped.
NewManufacturer6670@reddit
And didn’t deploy into the north so yes heavy restraint.
Missingyoutoohard@reddit
You have no understanding of what our true defense capabilities are capable of if you think an herbicide & glorified sprayable liquified fire weaponry, it’s vastly clear that you not understanding that we actually did use heavy restraint in Vietnam because we could have easily cleaned house much faster than what was trying to be accomplished.
If we even got involved with some of the Advanced Weaponry Projects that are confidential and black contract, or even bioweaponry EVEN AT THAT TIME was capable of cleaning house much faster than what the prerogatives design played out to be.
Not releasing a biological agent in our ADWP strongholds & archives as well as some weaponry that could blow your ear drums out giving you a severe handicap as a fighter and then what?
Do you know how easy it would be to not show restraint?
Do you know how many people are mad that we actually are and have to show some kind of restraint?
We have weapons that you can’t even fathom unless you’ve had personal experience with these organizations or are very close to someone that was.
HistoricalWash6930@reddit
Including countries they weren’t even at war with like Laos, and Cambodia. Anyone who makes claims of restraint is just straight up lying
carterwest36@reddit
Henry Kissinger secretly dropped more than 2 million ordnance on Laos (neighbour country) which is more than all ww2 explosions including both nukes put together. On Cambodia it dropped 500k tonnes and then we still have to get to Vietnam..
The countries literally have a few thousand deaths due to 6-8 million unexploded ordnance laying around, some are big shells and other are small dirt covered cluster bombs that mostly maims and kills kids.
Remember this bombing is like 6 decades ago and it will take another few decades to clear it all. (All in all 30% didn’t explode)
bad_kiwi2020@reddit
We rode bikes through these countries, & the warning signs covered many large areas. Bombs & other unexploded ordinance, minefields, etc. Really makes you feel for the people who live with this every day.
Hinterwaeldler-83@reddit
Don’t forget Mad Man theory by the Nixxon administration „oh, maybe we will use nukes, who knows“. Very restraint.
Repulsive_Corner6807@reddit
It’s kind of cute you think the US has an actual reason to go to any of these wars and it’s not just for pumping more tax payers money into the DOD where trillions of dollars of it can go mysteriously missing and lining pockets of weapons manufacturers companies owners.
darthnugget@reddit
You’re not wrong but there is always a hook. Whats the hook this time?
Missingyoutoohard@reddit
This.
myopinionisrelevent@reddit
Silly American fascist
dyslexic-alien@reddit
Heavy restrained in Vietnam? Iraq?. The next step would have been the neutron bomb!.
If the US would have gone 1 more step, the whole world (specially poor countries) would have selling their mothers for a nuke
Gengaara@reddit
500,000+ dead Iraqis. You really have to wonder what these sociopaths would consider gloves off.
jacquesroland@reddit
I suppose gloves off would be the Japanese/Germany treatment. It worked for them.
krutacautious@reddit
It worked for them because they were previously industrialized societies with an established intellectual base & power structure.
That wasn’t the case with Afghanistan and Iraq's entire power structures were toppled.
The case of Germany and Japan is an exception and hasn’t been replicated anywhere else. I laugh when warmongers justify going to war by citing Germany and Japan's post war success.
Da_Martinez@reddit
The US didn't kill those Iraqis. They killed each other in sectarian violence.
offhandaxe@reddit
Gloves off would be draft + no/altered rules of engagement.
UncreativeIndieDev@reddit
They probably think it was "heavily restrained" when Truman didn't okay turning a chunk of Manchuria into an irradiated wasteland during the Korean War and think all we need is "just one more atrocity, bro" to somehow convince other nations to just surrender.
dyslexic-alien@reddit
I’ve heard it was around 1 million and basically a whole society destroyed with millions as refugees. They will never recover
Gengaara@reddit
I tend to go with the 1 million as well, but not everyone accepts it.
Minimum-Ad-8056@reddit
The objectives were unwinnable. Just strong arm millions of people hiding within civilian populations. Lol
IncomeElectronic9152@reddit
Yeah, the US famously held back in Korea, nam, both gulf wars and Afghanistan.
Considering our current president I believe you’re right. I have zero doubts that Trump will kill enough Iranians that history books will note the depopulation effects of the region after the war.
MajorLazy@reddit
Fucking HUH?
4BigData@reddit
You are insane, the US committed massive attrocities everywhere it went
Not-a-thott@reddit
Modern drones didn't exist in any of those wars. War has changed.
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
I will respectfully disagree. Ukraine is a perfect example of how war hasn’t changed. Ground war in Europe 80 years after WWII and you still have trench warfare on the front lines. The tools change, war does not.
Not-a-thott@reddit
I guess but can you imagine shit China has in store. Drop one load of 200k small drones all with specific targets. With anti jamming tech it's unstoppable.
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
It would essentially be a modern day carpet bombing campaign, but it has the same logic flaw that the US has fallen into for the past 4+ decades. You can’t bomb a country into submission and you can’t conquer without boots on the ground.
And before someone counters with “but Hiroshima and Nagasaki” don’t forget that Japan was losing soldiers in the pacific islands (as were the allies) and they saw the slow advance of a foreign army towards the Japanese homeland, it wasn’t only the bombs that won the Pacific theater.
RatGodFatherDeath@reddit
Thank you for your service, I think Yemen and Iran are different in that they rely on large missile launchers rather than small militia groups, they have ships, naval yards missile sites etc that can be targeted
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
They do, and that’s a good point. But the also have one of the most well developed and global threat networks in the world (read terrorist organizations and sleeper cells). RAND published a white paler on the Iranian Threat Network in 2021, it is a good and quick read. The main threat is not Iran’s conventional military, while significantly more formidable than Iraq or Afghanistan but their ability to coordinate well planned and well resourced attacks on US targets across nearly any continent.
DiamondNuts72@reddit
Korea was a draw
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
I’ll bite. How was Korea a draw? The war technically never ended and we are still being forced to the negotiating table with the pain in the ass family regime decades later.
DiamondNuts72@reddit
Geographically speaking the 38th parallel hasn’t changed since the ceasefire. True there was never a formal end but the South Korean people are a lot better off defending themselves. Pretty sure S. Korea could handle N. Korea if the bullets start flying. South Korea is one of the most advanced countries in Asia. From an economic standpoint are you kidding me. Finished.
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
All valid points. My counterpoint is that NK has spent decades building out one of the most advanced military systems in the known world. If you thought the tunnels in Afghanistan gave us issues look up NK’s IADS. They are significantly more advanced and militarily capable now to the point where the only way we win a renewed conflict is through attrition.
NK’s strategy in regards to SK is called a “lake of fire and sea of ashes”, in short they know they don’t have the supplies or logistics for a protracted war so they will attack in force immediately which is probably catastrophic for 2 reasons. 1) Seoul is within striking distance of thousands of artillery and missile systems and 2) 1/3 of SK’s population lives in Seoul. So yes, SK almost inevitably wins a protracted war the destruction and loss of life from that initial salvo from NK would probably hamstring them until the US and other allies forces arrived.
So I guess my take is that the outcome of the Korean War was more of a win for NK because it gave them time and space to become a drastically more dangerous enemy to the US.
DiamondNuts72@reddit
I will add that if there was a renewal in the fighting between the Koreas, China would swoop in and plant their own hand picked regime. China doesn’t think too highly of Rocket man.
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
Fair point
crlthrn@reddit
This will cost American lives, one way or the other. If there's one thing that the Middle East excels in, it's terrorism...
Loose_Helicopter1014@reddit
lol bomb another country and then call them terrorists 🤣
MTgunguru@reddit
Has your head always been in the fucking sand? They sponsor Terrorist all over the world! Educate yourself and quit being ignorant
Able_Pipe_364@reddit
lol what ?
you need to read a history book , US is the terrorist , always has been. they made the middle east the way it is. even funded a bunch of it.
crlthrn@reddit
Did you read my recent post, as I suggested??? It's easily found.
crlthrn@reddit
Check my recent comments. I addressed that too.
matt0941@reddit
Ever think about the fact that most of the world sees us as the terrorists?
crlthrn@reddit
Yes. I absolutely do. America's involvement in South and Central American wars, the Iraqi post war debacle, Guantanamo incarcerations without charge or trial, renditions to torturous regimes, etc, etc, is common knowledge if one is even the least bit informed.
Rinereous@reddit
I guess just confused about the wording or were you trying to make a broader point by it?
crlthrn@reddit
I was merely pointing out in my earlier comment that Iran's military capability is maximally degraded when it would come to striking back against the US, so true to character Iran (or its proxies) will probably now hit 'soft' targets, places where Americans, official or civilian, may gather like embassies and consulates in other countries where security may be laxer, or Starbucks coffee shops, and the like. It's not just American military lives at risk now.
Regarding my response to Matt0941, I was merely responding to his question about American administrations and policies being considered by others as terroristic.
slywombat45@reddit
As the ones who train, arm, influence and initiate it. Definitely.
MagentaJohnLS@reddit
And guess who provides most of the support to the terrorists?
StahPlar@reddit
Israel is the ones that excels at terrorism. In fact it's how the that illegal state was founded. They murdered Palestinians and the Brits to force them to agree to their colonization of that land. They are the pioneers of terrorism in the Middle East. For example the stern gang and the Hagana
GrapheneRoller@reddit
Yep, also adding that Irgun is another terrorist group. One of the places that they attacked was Deir Yassin, which of course people don’t know about.
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
I was an apache pilot for a decade. I flew over villages, obliterated buildings and killed people who were loved ones to someone. I have regrets over my actions because the guys on the ground I was protecting made it home to their families but I have no illusions that the children, siblings, parents, or spouses of the people on the wrong end of my trigger see me as anything other than a terrorist and I don’t blame them.
JayBachsman@reddit
Spot on. I’ll pray for you, brother. 🙏🏼
Mildly-Rational@reddit
Pray for us all. There is no good end down that road. I wish so much more for my children I hope you do as well.
Tibernite@reddit
A thoughtful and nuanced take.
AzureWave313@reddit
Have fun in the afterlife. I’m sure it’ll be a great place for you.
derangedtangerine@reddit
We’re supporting a theocratic foreign ethnostate in a region we have no business being in with a leader indicted on corruption (Netanyahu or Trump, take tour pick!, and that launched an unprovoked attack on a neighbor state and has been terrorizing civilian populations for decades and committed documented war crimes…and they’re the terrorists?
Astral-projekt@reddit
What would you call a foreign invader on your land? We are terrorists
Somethingpithy123@reddit
Yea but think of how well all the defense contractor stocks are going to be doing! /s
4BigData@reddit
It's the anglo crusaders, including the US, who made the middle east that way
Shall_notbeinfringed@reddit
We have to win.
They have to not lose.
One is far easier.
Mildly-Rational@reddit
It kills people and looks sexy. Great add copy. That's where it ends. No follow through no plan. Blind people trying to fence, pigs trying to fly.
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
Username checks out
NathanielTurner666@reddit
The more we bomb, the more future insurgents we create. We can probably topple Iran's military like we did in Iraq, but the insurgency that follows will be so much worse than Iraq/Afghanistan due to FPV and fiber optic drones. When we inevitably put boots on the ground, we will pointlessly lose so many US soldiers to cheap drones that can easily destroy tanks and IFVs.
Ive been paying attention to what's been happening in Ukraine and both sides are dealing with serious losses due to drone warfare.
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
Promote this man!
psvamsterdam1913@reddit
None of these wars you mention are comparable. The USA wont put boots on the ground in Yemen. Most likely Saudi Arabia and the yemeni government will fight a prolonged war, with some USA air support if the Houthis are stupid enough to attack US interest.
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
The Saudis have been fighting that war for a decade. They led the military intervention into the Yemeni civil war in 2015 and still have a combat presence in the country/on the border
everythings_alright@reddit
To achieve what?
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
To prove that the US didn’t defeat them.
Interesting-Kiwi433@reddit
Real question. If you actually wanted to defeat the insurgents what would you do?
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
This is going to sound like a smart ass answer but it’s not. First, I would truly evaluate whether my end goal was truly worth a protracted war against an insurgent force. If it wasn’t I would pursue diplomacy and negotiation.
If you truly determined that the best course to achieve your goal is military engagement with a guerrilla force then I would follow the examples of Genghis Khan (look up his tent color stratagem) or the Brits during the second Boer War. Both examples end with a scorched earth/kill everyone outcome but the difference is how quickly that escalates.
The takeaway is, there is no good way to win a war and winning against an insurgency is going to take a massive amount of bloodshed and destruction, which few leaders and societies have the will or fortitude to stomach.
No_Apartment3941@reddit
Lol, none of those countries "won" the war. The US just stayed till it got politically bored. Also, an Afghanistan Vet and the loser of the whole Afghan conflict was the Afghan people.
cherenk0v_blue@reddit
Are you arguing that North Vietnam didn't win the Vietnam War?
The US pulled out of the country and the South Vietnamese government fell 2 years later. North and South Vietnam were reunified as a communist country. How is that not North Vietnam winning?
No_Apartment3941@reddit
Name 5 battles they won against the Americans without Google.
land_and_air@reddit
You heard the phrase, won the battles but lost the war
Razafraz11@reddit
Stop moving goal posts
Th3_Admiral_@reddit
"Yeah, well can you name ten North Vietnamese generals and give a dissertation on how their tactics influenced the lives of the soldiers fighting under them? No? Well then how can you say North Vietnam won the war, huh?"
No_Apartment3941@reddit
Just get one through the uprights.
Ok_Strain_1624@reddit
"Ha! Now try and make that kick all the way...
OVER HERE!"
Fun game you're playing.
Dirt_Grub8@reddit
So the government propped up by the French and then the USA is still in power, right?
I guess those images of the Americans running from their embassy are from a movie.
cherenk0v_blue@reddit
Lol, are you giving me a closed book quiz or something?
North Vietnam entered the war with the intent to topple the South Vietnamese government and unify the country under its own. That's what happened in 1975.
How is that not "winning?"
Rip1072@reddit
N.Vietnam won, by defeating S. Vietnam. It was the souths cartoon win and they blew it.
land_and_air@reddit
What do you think losing looks like if not that, if you fail to achieve your goals and the other party succeeds, you have lost
Just_Side8704@reddit
The Taliban absolutely won in Afghanistan. Pompeo surrendered Afghanistan to them, agreeing to the release of 5000 Taliban terrorists.
Alert-Ad9197@reddit
Getting the occupying army to leave your country so you can take over is definitely “winning” an insurgency. The population are the real losers of this though, no argument there.
No_Apartment3941@reddit
By definition, then, no one has ever won a war.
Alert-Ad9197@reddit
I’m not following.
No_Apartment3941@reddit
Because the occupying army eventually has to go home. Even the Japanese Okinawa Islands' soft power to move the US out could be considered an insurgency of sorrs giving them the long game win if they eventually move them out. It's hard to win a war with no real or shifting objectives. Going in to rebuild a nation for 20+ years rarely works out well in the end, especially in the Middle East. Maybe it is time we pull out of everything there, seal it off, and let them sort it out. If people want to get involved, give them a plane ticket.
UncreativeIndieDev@reddit
Your logic doesn't follow. Yes, in many cases these occupying army can't simply stay there forever. However, when they aren't just "occupying" a place but are annexing it, it works out much differently as local institutions, police forces, and military units are rebuilt to be in line with and subservient to the conquering nation to the point that, without serious continuous resistance, it will ultimately become part of that nation and thus they will have won the war. For instance, take the Winter War: while an embarassment for the USSR for how bad they did for quite a bit of it, they eventually did succeed and conquer the land they wanted. Most of the Fins were forced out and Russians were sent to resettlement it and to this day it is considered Russian land and there is virtually no chance of Finland retaking it. I don't see how your logic could dictate that no one won this or any other war.
Ok-Coyote87@reddit
This is just cope from americans. If they weren't to prideful maybe they might be able to reform some.
Politically bored is a cute way of saying we were not meeting our political objectives (AKA the whole point of any war) so we decided to leave (AKA a lose)
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
Same with all the other conflicts. They didn’t lose either and the US didn’t win. Just a sinkhole of lives and resources
Euronated-inmypants@reddit
Money stolen from a generation of Americans who will likely never get to see their social security or medicare contributions get used for themselves.
Suitable_Isopod4770@reddit
They are about to create a line of martyrs for radical Islam. They don’t understand that when you kill one, 20 will take up arms and declare inshallah they are mujahideen. They also don’t understand how these people do not forgive or forget.
ProfessorZhu@reddit
Hell, against the Houthis themselves. All of our bombing and it hasn't hampered their operating ability
Minimum-Ad-8056@reddit
No one wins occupations or long ground wars in modern military campaigns.
baphomet_fire@reddit
And who do you think was supplying the other side of Korea? Smaller, less equipped forces my butt. Learn your history
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
Ohhh right, I forgot about all the Viet Cong fight jets and the North Korean bombing campaigns. Yes they were supplied by Russia and China, no shit but Russia and China weren’t fighting, so yes smaller and less equipped. Perhaps you should revisit your history.
baphomet_fire@reddit
Wrong. China absolutely sent their own troops during the Korean war and is what pushed back the American front.
mjace87@reddit
Yep but for civilians it’s been pretty chill. There is not way to win any war where you’re fighting the indigenous culture. We need to define win as something possible.
TheRealCrowSoda@reddit
What a shit take. We militarily destroyed those countries.
We tried the worst of both worlds of subjugation:
We should have killed everyone or never went in.
dyslexic-alien@reddit
People can barely read and you think they’ll under matando military tactics?, remember what Trump said “I know more than the generals” and the lemmings cheered
Content_Bed_1290@reddit
How are wars won?
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
The same way since time immemorial. A) Kill everyone. Men, women, children,…everyone. Or B) kill enough people that the other side truly loses the will to fight and accepts unconditional surrender.
Content_Bed_1290@reddit
Ok I see what you mean, thanks!
Southern_Loquat_4450@reddit
They aren't. Someone survives, kinda like a bar fight.
AntiBoATX@reddit
So we don’t have the firepower and technology today to wipe them off the map? Because general sentiment (mine included) is that we just weren’t taking them all out due to geopolitical and optics
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
We have the firepower if you’re willing to nuke several countries, most of which are neutral or potentially allies. The majority of taliban leadership left afghanistan for most of the war to live in Pakistan or India or other western nations because they knew all they had to do was wait. So sure, you could the Netanyahu approach and somehow believe all of your enemies are going to remain in the kill zone and you’ll magically end them if you destroy Gaza/Afghanistan/etc. but they are called networks for reason…they are all over. Glassing Afghanistan would give you a higher casualty count and maybe the Taliban wouldn’t want to rule over a wasteland but it wouldn’t have “won” the war.
strikedizzle@reddit
You only loose if you send troops. They wanna fuck around and find out. They’re gonna get bombed. War sucks, but also USA helps maintain world order.
Proper_Look_7507@reddit
We did send troops to all of those places. Also as hard of a fact as this might be to swallow, the US is single handedly responsible for more global destabilization than any other country post WWII. Look at the history of the South American continent during the Cold War. To say nothing about the fact that Iraq was significantly more stable and prosperous under Sadaam, same with Libya and Gadaffi. Both of them are terrible awful men who should burn in hell but their nations weren’t failed states under them, which they are after US intervention.
Don’t get fooled by the star spangled banner bullshit and Call of Duty.
Ok-Calligrapher9115@reddit
Don't leave out Libya, Syria, and the rise of ISIS
oldbutfeisty@reddit
Gee, sounds a bit like the US vs England back in the day. Those folks are committed, Americans either see it as news, or it's their job (military employees). It's not going to end well.
crockett05@reddit
Bro, we've been bombing them for 15 years and they still there. They are the reason that F-35 fell off the carrier last month..
SirDixonSidarBuss@reddit
What happened with Desert Storm? You conveniently leave out the only comparable situation to this in recent history. Where Iraq was one of the largest militaries in the world at the time and they got fucked so hard and so fast they were mass surrendering to not be literally slaughtered…
crockett05@reddit
Iraq was ass kicked by the US & a Coalition of forces not a country run by a dime store Hitler..
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
USS Harry S. Truman has experienced a series of incidents where fighter jets have fallen from the aircraft carrier into the Red Sea. The most recent incident involved an F/A-18 Super Hornet that went overboard after an arresting cable failure during landing.
crockett05@reddit
The F-35 fell off because the Truman was avoiding a Houthi attack. The F18 was a different issue but it still happened during operations against the Houthis but it was directly related to them.
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
I cannot find any news on a F-35 falling off, only 30+ year old hornet.
crockett05@reddit
I was wrong, I edited my posts. I could have swore it was an F-35 but I guess it was an F-18 after all.
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
When an F-35 goes down, its a big big deal, those are actually modern.
FreddieMoners@reddit
There's no point to bomb Yemen, the Houthies are funded by Iran, the bombs should target the regime in Iran
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
Likely what I fear we're / we'll get into. Iran has a history of being behind global terrorism for over half a century now.
C-137_Squirrels@reddit
Didn’t Trump just make a deal with them for them to stop attacking ships in the Red Sea because the bombings weren’t stopping them?
dremolock@reddit
We still owed them for the USS Cole to be honest, they were more concerned with imaginary wmd’s then. Seems as though that trend is still going strong, also a republican to take us into a brutal conflict with another capable adversary.
Solomon-Drowne@reddit
Fuck those boats. Dumbest fucking mentality, 'nobody touch us while we get all in everyones business.'
Shall_notbeinfringed@reddit
Don't touch my boats
scenr0@reddit
YOU DONT TOUCH AMERICA'S BOATS!
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
Eagle screeetch*
scenr0@reddit
https://www.tiktok.com/@jakethemechanic6/video/7334821209072209195?lang=en (don't hate me for the platform, but the video is gold)
PunnySideUp99@reddit
It really sounds like you have no idea what’s been going on over there for the past 12 ish years.
AsterKando@reddit
The reason Trump negotiated with them is because using SM2s, SM6s, and Patriot missiles to shoot down improvised drones and missiles that are literally almost a thousand times cheaper isn’t sustainable.
betasheets2@reddit
We always talk about these "successful" missions at taking out leadership but does leadership really matter that much when they're pretty much expecting to die every day?
Like it's just a revolving door of people. It's like in Starship Troopers where Rico became general because everyone above him kept dying.
Chaiboiii@reddit
How many reaper drones did they shoot down again?
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
7 of 400+
Chaiboiii@reddit
What's the 400+ number? The US has a fleet of ~280 reaper drones. Typically 10-20 are kept in rotation during the Houthi missions.
Quirky_Chicken_1840@reddit
Never mess with American boats as this YouTuber, The Fat Electrician” said.
https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE?si=KqGQSwMN9Nn_aFDs
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
https://i.redd.it/ys4fjyv4xd8f1.gif
CJ_7_iron@reddit
Boacero@reddit
You bombed them and they are still there! Last conflict you were in you fled leaving your equipments and shit. Karma is coming in fast and hard, can wait to see you all getting your teeth kicked in with a new conflict. Hopefully this is the last one you warmongering ghouls of a country, unable to let people live in peace
International_Emu600@reddit
No touchy boats!
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
https://i.redd.it/y78v5rrind8f1.gif
Shrewta@reddit
And they will continue touching the fucking boats. The houthis have only gotten stronger since their civil war started. More bombs won't get rid of them. How many times do we have to try the same God damn thing
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Until the rich are sick of being rich.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Erm, there's definitely fail historically speaking.
DumbNTough@reddit
I for one think it would be hysterically funny if they did
OptimismNeeded@reddit
As if they weren’t doing this already 😂
They keep getting whooped.
RunMysterious6380@reddit
The US just sent our oldest aircraft carrier to the region, the least protected one that is long overdue for decommissioning, as bait, similar to what the US did so that we would have justification to get into the Vietnam war.
Expect that ship to get attacked, possibly sunk, and then we are going to be in another Iraq 2.0 or worse.
Warm-Ice12@reddit
There is an approximately 0% chance that Yemen or anyone else in that region sinks an American carrier.
RunMysterious6380@reddit
An AI analysis disagrees with you with respect to Iran's capabilities to do serious damage to the ship, now that the Nimitz is being moved to the area, especially if it's put into a vulnerable position, but let's put a pin in it and see what happens.
everythings_alright@reddit
Does this mean 'I asked chatGPT?' lmao
--Muther--@reddit
An AI analysis? You asked ChatGPT. Doesn’t count for anything.
Ok-Aardvark-9938@reddit
Ahh yes grok, the primo source for military intelligence on countries in the middle east
RunMysterious6380@reddit
You win poor assumption for 500 Doge coins. 😂
Sad-Objective573@reddit
No they don’t. The houthis have been launching missiles against American destroyers for the last year with zero impacts. American ddgs strike the launch sites almost right away. The Houthis and Iran would both be wiped off the face of the planet in a full scale war with incredibly minimal casualties for the U.S. It’s dealing with the insurgency for the next twenty or thirty years that’s the problem.
reddit_tothe_rescue@reddit
We are in Iraq 2.0 already
techdaddykraken@reddit
Attacked? Sure.
Sunk? That’s laughable.
For one, it has more air superiority power than many countries do, chained to its flight deck.
For two, it will be shooting back, not just a sitting duck.
For three, even when the U.S. military tried to sink their own carriers to test how much firepower it took, they were unable to do so. They had to tow the carrier back to shore after weeks of bombardment, and this was a carrier which WAS unprotected and a sitting duck.
HenryBemisJr@reddit
Also, aircraft carriers are NEVER alone
crockett05@reddit
You do realize that F-35 that rolled off our carrier a few weeks fell off because they were doing evasive maneuvers to avoid a Houthis attack? They literally indirectly already destroyed one of our F-35's.
david8601@reddit
They fuckin will.
Sarasotadave10@reddit
I was right
mikki1time@reddit
Bro looks high as fuck and is trying his best to not show it.
Responsible_Brain269@reddit
Isn’t it a bit late? And besides, Houthi have been attacking international shipping with missiles and drones so I would be expecting a very heavy bombardment to hit Houthi very very soon.
CPUequalslotsofheat@reddit
I wish I could read Arabic.
Effective-Growth2602@reddit
All hot air lol
swomahahusker@reddit
Houthis? Houthat?
v-irtual@reddit
Strong ISIS vibes here
dxlachx@reddit
To be honest, this shit sucks and is dumb.
But the reality is threats from Iran and Yemen on the USA is fucking even dumber. Like either of these countries won’t hold a candle in conventional means.
Specific_Ad_6046@reddit
Ukraine changed the idea of warfare though. You remember that sea drone attack on Russia that sunk there naval vessel. https://gur.gov.ua/en/content/era-maury-komanda-hur-vpershe-prezentuvala-novitni-morski-drony-zdatni-nyshchyty-vorozhi-korabli-ta-litaky#:~:text=Over%20two%20years%20of%20combat,%2C%20Caesar%20Kunikov%2C%20and%20others. I’m not implying these nations can win but they can make us hurt bad. Can you imagine the optics if we lose a ship.
lchthyosaurus@reddit
You see the diforence between Russia and US is intelligence. Russian intelligence is full of lies, deception, half truths, and distrust within their own country bc they say what ever makes Putin happy. That makes them unorganized, unprepared, and in the dark. The US? Knows where you, your friends, your family, associates, and assets are at any given time in any given place. If Yemen or Iean try any of the sneaky attacks Ukrain is trying on Russia on the US, the US will know about it
Vercoduex@reddit
The fact were getting pushed into war again in the middle east. Part of me also feels like its trumps plan to go to war, national emergency the nation and stay in power destroying the us entirely well living nice and fat with his buddies. I dont have any hope for decent lives with my generation but I do hope the next ones can live peacefully and not scared all the time.
SpaceKalash05@reddit
lol neat
the_need_for_tweed@reddit
This is your fucking false flag. Right here.
WadeBronson@reddit
False flag? The United States just went from proxy war to full war, completely unprovoked, with the Muslim population of the middle east.
Politically, i know we disagree. Prepperaly… i hope you have Tuesday covered.
Homey-Airport-Int@reddit
No we didn't. If so, the war started 5 years ago when we drone striked Soleimani.
the_need_for_tweed@reddit
Do we disagree politically? I’m not sure we do. When I say false flag, I mean an excuse to get boots on the ground. This is absolutely war, but we’re still one step away from full on boots on the ground like we had in Iraq. I’m no expert but this is the feeling I get watching this.
WadeBronson@reddit
We will have boots on the ground, we just disagree on what that ground is. Over 1 million fighting age male Iranians emigrated to the United States from 2020-2024. The boots we’re now talking about… are the ones in your closet. Godspeed.
why_am_I_here_47@reddit
Where are you getting that number? There are only 500,000 total Iranians in the US, which is only an increase of a little over 100K in that time frame you quote 1 million fighting aged males. This total number includes women, children, and people who came here as refugees in 1979....well beyond fighting age. Iranians make up .15% of the population. While the concern for Americans is absolutely terrorism, not air attack....you are grossly inflating your numbers here. You are fear mongering. You are going to help cause the next wave of xenophobia with that misrepresentation.
Iranian Population by State 2025 https://share.google/liBn5orBAsoZgXhqH
BialystockJWebb@reddit
No boots on the ground lol why? What makes you think US troops will be used inside of Iran or Yemen or wherever? What hypothesis do you have to justify that statement?
the_need_for_tweed@reddit
I don’t disagree with this completely. Entirely possible.
FluffyDiamonds89@reddit
That's not what "false flag" means.
beaucoup_dinky_dau@reddit
nah this is just the preamble, that part is coming to justify a larger commitment
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
Probably, then we'll be chasing the houthis all over the sandbox .... just in time to stimulate the economy.
the_need_for_tweed@reddit
I mean you couldn’t ask for a better gift than this if you were planning a false flag. Fuck.
SoupGoblin69@reddit
They’re running back operation praying mantis?
CraftyProposal6701@reddit
I've always wondered based on how vulnerable we truly are in CONUS to asemetric Guerilla warfare why the streets aren't running with American blood.
I'm not sharing this as a how to but merely offering examples to support my theory.
First let's all be real. If a smart state sponsored terror organization wanted to get human assets into the United States undetected it wouldn't be easy but it wouldn't take a rocket science to figure it out and make it happen.
Second all law enforcement and counter terrorism activity in the United States is reactionary. Meaning terror organizations have the tactical advantage of choosing when, where, and what to target.
Third, the population is not situationally aware. Most people go about their daily lives oblivious to even the threats and vulnerabilities posed by every day life. They simply aren't able to process and react to being threat aware.
So we have a target rich environment. We have nation state threat actors with a cause. All of the resources to wage a guerilla war on American soil are here.
And yet the main source of blood on our streets is from mass shootings by Americans against Americans.
What am I missing here?
KarmaCommando_@reddit
Touch the boat motherfucker lmao
Observeus@reddit
This is definitely not getting the sexiest language nomination this year...sorry iran.
Jackal4550@reddit
So many syllables to say so little
Honest-Yak-6621@reddit
Iran will be unrecognizable if they attack US Warships
Ashamed-Country3909@reddit
M. Bison sure likes to yell. This looks like the 1990s street fighter movie. The hat, the emblem at the top.
Anyways, there's that.
QM1978@reddit
I’m honestly not sure how I feel about what’s developing and what has happened, but I know this for sure… if I were on the receiving end of what the US is apparently poised to send, I damn sure wouldn’t be making threats. Kid in school kicked the shit out of me for nothing once, I didn’t know what I did, but I made sure not to do it again.
Long_Walks_On_Beach5@reddit
Excuse my French, but the big guys with monetary stakes in the military industrial complex are cumming their pants right now.
Reggaeton_Historian@reddit
They've been doing that in the past 2 weeks.
Ropeswing06@reddit
Almost like actions have consequences. And it will be deserved.
TheSeparatistJedi96@reddit
Houthis always have that Ride or Die energy.
hotsa68@reddit
This looks like AI
bigbobbermomma@reddit
I can say pretty definitively The voice is not AI. AI is not capable of that realistic of human speech and especially not on Arabic dialects yet
hotsa68@reddit
Zoom in on the face and how the mouth is moving I don’t think this is real
WorldWarPee@reddit
Cool. Iran is going to rally Muslims in a "holy war" and global terrorism is going to rise. World War Pee is coming along nicely
Ok-Coyote87@reddit
On the flip side, it is dubious that Trump will have a "rally around the flag" effect.
UncreativeIndieDev@reddit
He might among conservatives from the looks of it. Apparently all that talk about opposing another war in the Middle East was all bluster yet again. Can't wait to be told in 4-8 years by conservatives how they are the pro-peace party and how Democrats are all warmongers when all the wars the U.S. keeps getting into are all started by Republicans.
oRAPIER@reddit
Conservatives no longer have an ideological thesis. They believe and will die for whatever FOX feeds them each evening, regardless of what FOX told them yesterday.
SteedOfTheDeid@reddit
Muslims in the region don't even like Iran, I think we'll be ok
kjfkalsdfafjaklf@reddit
That might not go the way you think it will.
Remote-Spray5947@reddit
These idiots just yell a lot, once the bombs start dropping they dress like women and hide.
No-Tie4400@reddit
I really hope they don't. There will be so much death as a result.
savetinymita@reddit
Why do the weaklings always have the coolest hats.
Ornery_Bath_8701@reddit
That's just a raspberry or beret the kind you find at a second hand store! "Prince"🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
MarkedByNyx@reddit
I’m not gonna lie, I advise any Americans out of the country, especially in 3rd world countries that gather in public American places such as a Starbucks, an embassy, a big company, ANYTHING of the sort that is perceived as American , to be extremely careful or to just avoid going there all together, I can already smell the terrorist attacks on civilians coming from a mile away.
Semperdave22@reddit
I wonder how long this guy will last.
Co-flyer@reddit
Well, that is very noble. I suspect they will try, and the hundreds of aircraft, two aircraft carriers, and dozens of battle ships will make quick work of them.
chi-nyc@reddit
The US Navy hasn't had an active battleship in quite a while. There are a few left serving as museums.
Konstant_kurage@reddit
We bombed them just to give Israel a leg up and show Iran we could. How do they think these asshats in the White House will respond to a direct attack? We have 70+ guided missile destroyers, even if they got lucky and took out a few they’d be fucked.
BigMaraJeff2@reddit
Haven't they been trying that already?
Prestigious-Plant338@reddit
Not Really, it’s been relatively peaceful. Middle eastern at least, but the orange messiah done did it now.
BigMaraJeff2@reddit
But houthis have been routinely launching missiles at US ships over the years
Prestigious-Plant338@reddit
Yea true. Guess only time will tell, I pray I am wrong. But 2,000 years of history has told us that whole region has said otherwise.
Hephaestus-Theos@reddit
Wtf are they gonna do? Throw a rock at a warship? Hahaha
Barnowl-hoot@reddit
Oh...so now it's a war on land sea and probably air
Bright-Internal229@reddit
DaisyHotCakes@reddit
This is the first time I’ve seen him depicted as a rodent.
Liquid_Lizzard@reddit
Iran will lose
4peaks2spheres@reddit
Aaaaand the next 20 year war begins 😞😮💨
I-mean-maybe@reddit
I say just let freedom fly, and by freedom I mean missiles.
platoface541@reddit
Why is he yelling into a microphone…
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
So uhh... they're thinking about touching our boats.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Of course, Israel got away with it and they hit over 200 sailors with surface ti ship missiles.
Stygg@reddit
Yeah, only Israel can get away with attacking one of our ships, killing 34 sailors, and wounding 171 more and get away with it! Everyone else, RIP!
Miller8017@reddit
Last time someone touched our boats, we rebuilt 2 of their cities for them.
Talimorg@reddit
Forgot about the Korean War?
jjohnisme@reddit
Hey... Wake up the kid.
"Would you intercept me? I'd intercept me....zzz"
gravy_train53@reddit
HLC reference in the wild!
squidwardTalks@reddit
At first I thought I was in the HLC sub.
gravy_train53@reddit
TIL he has a sub lol
Found the Franklin song.
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
https://i.redd.it/sa857kusmd8f1.gif
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
m0nk3y42@reddit
JTS_2@reddit
How's that prosperity going for ya? Is it guarded?
squidwardTalks@reddit
Don't ...touch...the...boats!!!!
Bubbly_Lead3046@reddit
Time to let the kid out
Flimsy_Breakfast_353@reddit
The young will suffer on both sides for the sake of old men and old ideology.
Ok-Medium2866@reddit
"Most of what's bad in the world is because of stupid old men!" -Maria Renard, Castlevania Nocturne Season 2, Episode 4
AzureWave313@reddit
Let the fools who voted this warmonger in send themselves and their sons and daughters first.
OllieTabooga@reddit
Baron Trump enlisting soon /s
FenixOfNafo@reddit
Nah.. I have a spot in my bingo card where they sent people from blue states or those they presume to be illegal immigrants.. Also I say it's a couple of days before some MAGA politician publicly say, illegal immigrants can go fight for US in middle East to earn citizenship
ButterscotchTop4713@reddit
They won’t. Maga soldiers only harass minorities.
liminalmilk0@reddit
They’re cowards. They will follow in the footsteps of their great leader and dodge the draft.
That or the Trump administration will target the citizens of blue states with ‘random’ draft letters.
AzureWave313@reddit
I can confirm that many MAGA, at least the ones I’ve interacted with personally, are EXTREMELY insecure individuals who need mental health treatment desperately but they view that as “woke” and outright reject the idea entirely.
Flimsy_Breakfast_353@reddit
I agree wholeheartedly
4BigData@reddit
The driver of this is Zionists' greed
Groundbreaking-Ask-5@reddit
This guy is, at best, the 8 of clubs on the kill deck.
Some-Zucchini6944@reddit
Wait, I thought the Houthis were all squared away a few weeks ago when Trump declared victory /s
Suspicious-Rush-3310@reddit
Never touch the fucking boats!
jamieoneball@reddit
Another crazy Muslim talking trash
alpharaptor1@reddit
We're going to regionals!
Bright-Internal229@reddit
Bright-Internal229@reddit
AdorableBowl7863@reddit
Nimitz plan seems to be steaming forward
TennisEcstatic594@reddit
We’re coming for you
BillIndividual8571@reddit
lol your wanna get bombed again or what?
Muz56@reddit
Going once. Going twice. Sold!
One-Bird-8961@reddit
Yet more of the world's insane fanatics.
A8Warmonger@reddit
Dead man walking
Hot_Housing_7314@reddit
Oh bless, they sound just like the Argentinians
esoxr@reddit
Like they can make a fist
tossitcheds@reddit
Thing guys is dead meat
johnnybones23@reddit
PlumbGame@reddit
Good fucking luck. Attack the US, especially a naval vessel. Fucking find out.
rockeye13@reddit
And here they've always been so peaceful
Strict-Ad-7389@reddit
Good luck!
Sea_Range_2441@reddit
I don’t understand his language, but he definitely sounds like he means it
CCJockey381@reddit
Nice to see Baghdad Bob is alive and well…
DanceFluffy7923@reddit
Wamp Wamp
stinkyshittykitty@reddit
The Trump stickers on gas pumps will be... numerous.
Traditional-Fan-9315@reddit
Put up or shut up Yemen
Cornbread_Collins13@reddit
They have tried touching our boats so many times. God forbid they had a missile that could actually hit something. Just do it already edge lords
Far_Trifle_8988@reddit
F Iran
OptimismNeeded@reddit
As if they weren’t doing it for the past year anyway.
Hopeful_Ladder8496@reddit
How do you take them seriously when they sound so theatrical?
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TwerkLessons@reddit
How many ships do you want destroyed sir?
Parking_Jackfruit350@reddit
Half of the southern states voted for this
Pristine-Barber-6325@reddit
As an American this egoism and chest thumping that some how being stronger gives you the right to do things with impunity. That is what a bully does, if you attack others it’s only fair that they will want to attack back.
I don’t understand those who sign up to serve actually believe they are defending America, instead of carrying out orders to keep up an empire.
One of Americas greatest strength was its soft power its respect and its genuine standing on its principles.
The conservatives elected a rotten individual because he promised to get rid of black and brown people but the joke is on the superior race because you’ve just voted for your own destruction.
The sad part is that most of you don’t have college education, don’t even know history or last book you read was a how to cut lumber. Yet you feel entitled to vote. You wear your stupidity like a badge and it’s a shame your vote is equal to mine. America became great because the average man understood he was average.
If you think that you can attack people and not expect anything back, the rational thing for Iran would be to conduct terrorist attacks.
Just remember before you reply that you most likely have a high school education and things like Real Politik, means of production, sunk cost fallacy will sound like liberal words but I promise that the world you never see very much understand these concepts.
Please stay in your lane and work on your cars and trucks history is filled with similar situations when the mob elects a populist only to realize they didn’t have the intelligence to pick somebody better.
Our down fall will be that simple minded folk thinking they know how to elect a leader who must play a game they don’t understand. It’s so easy to fool you.
America has lost its moral way. When you serve, you serve to defend but what are you really defending. A nation that doesn’t care for its poor, a nation that lets the wealthy buy elections, politicians that get away with corruption, police officers attacking citizens, certain white people doing everything to push non white people down, creating a two tiered class system. Attacking others who are different. Gun violence, poor education system, 10 years to build one bride.
Wrap yourself in the flag and say muh freedom. Those ideals are just that ideals, they aren’t real anymore.
Electrical-Return-17@reddit
Nailed it. This is why the country is so messed up. We just let anyone vote! You absolutely should be required to have a college degree in an approved curriculum from an approved university. The people working on cars and trucks have no right to influence the path of this nation.
Pristine-Barber-6325@reddit
There's a reason we don't let children drive cars. Why naturalized citizens are required to take a test but nobody else does. The proof is in the pudding. A nation gets the politicians it deserves, if Trump is repugnant, then he's just a reflection of the society he represents. I think the basic requirements on how a bill becomes a law, how money affects politics, how capitalism works, supply and demand forces. Education is not bad, there was a period called the dark ages when being educated was punished.
Suburbking@reddit
Ok, we did it. Your move bitch.
Icy-Independence5737@reddit
Based on this guys voice I’m thinking his balls haven’t dropped.
Reeko_Htown@reddit
Heading to fill up my 15 gallons rn
noah7233@reddit
Gonna need a lot more than that.
Reeko_Htown@reddit
Luckily I have another 10 gallons filled from last month for Hurricane season
noah7233@reddit
Personally if you wanted my opinion. I'd switch to a diesel vehicle. Lasts longer. Specifically a truck of some kind where you can run an external tank.
60 or 70 gallons worth. More milage. Lasts longer. Best of both worlds
Reeko_Htown@reddit
I dream of a Hilux but I want to learn more about repairing diesel engines first.
Pffffftmkay@reddit
I hope they try. Let’s castrate the houthis just like Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran have been castrated.
Mildly-Rational@reddit
Have we, u.s. unfortunately, attacked the irgc or Iranian navy's boats?
ShdwWzrdMnyGngg@reddit
Those Israeli fucks took advantage of us having a braindead moron in office. They saw their opportunity and took it. Fucking war mongers.
irsh_@reddit
How much blood and treasure this time?
SaltyHooker69@reddit
Can we just carpet bomb their asses?
Past-Community-3871@reddit
They've been attacking our vessels for 5 years?
Ok_Fan4354@reddit
He sounds lvery obligated to give this speech. Interesting style considering the Houthis haven’t shot a missile in Irans defense since the attack. But it’s also very ominous that after hundred of millions Iran has poured into the Houthi’s, that they have not attacked.
Ahava_Keshet5784@reddit
Our thoughts as unbiased observers is that the USA will not need to “Nation Build”. The broke ya bought it era of Israeli foreign policy would be a great model.
Bomb 💣 the crap out of everything the regime values the most. Clearly Iran cares nothing for the Palestinians or any other Arabs. Now Iran has proven they won’t or can’t protect their own citizens. The leaders and their families hide in luxury apartments underground that would make most American and Western billionaires blush.
Collins210@reddit
Mecca lecca high Mecca highny ho
No_Mail404@reddit
Look, I hate that US did this shit, but this didn't work out for the Houthis last time and it won't this time either.
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
Iran broke nuclear non proliferation treaties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons
and the Houthis, are terrorists with a sheet miles long. US does so much to promote global trade and peace through actions like this, as much as it sucks, it would undoubtedly be much worse if things weren't policed. I personally don't see anyone else jumping in to keep trade and overall peace treaties enforced.
No_Mail404@reddit
Yeah buddy, and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
Or failure of compliance.
No_Mail404@reddit
So here's the thing, maybe, just maybe, Iran did have the potential for nukes. Thing is, I have zero reason to believe that because I don't give the US Government the benefit of the doubt. Because why the fuck would I?
usafmtl@reddit
LOL ok kids, time for bed. FAFO.
Soccerfanxl@reddit
Sit down Yemen. You’re a threat to no one.
lavapig_love@reddit
Yep.
Ralfsalzano@reddit
Man and i thought my wife’s bitching voice was bad
Stunning_Ad_1685@reddit
I’d almost rather listen to trump talk about flagpoles
ConcentrateKind8234@reddit
What do we even have to do with this mess in the first place?!!! Like where tf did this U.S. involved war come from?
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
They broke nuclear non proliferation treaties.
Icedoverblues@reddit
My son just graduated high school and this is the world these weak loser maga failures have dumped on us all for a child rapist business failure that has never worked a day in his life.
Donewithitallhere@reddit
Well this guy just joined the deadpool, I claim July 3rd!!
Less_Tacos@reddit
No problem, Hegseth already told us we have defeated these guys and they aren't any threat.
DeathsDefiance@reddit
Ask the Japanese how that worked out
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
Second biggest economy on earth, so pretty good actually.
DeathsDefiance@reddit
I’m sure all those Japanese sailors and pilots at the bottom of the ocean are enjoying that economy.
SeattleHighlander@reddit
The biggest economy on earth is the United States.
Japan is number 5.
Ricky_Ventura@reddit
What? Did you read at all what you replied to? I said it's the third biggest economy which is true. US, China, Japan.
Next is technically California
Malcolm_Morin@reddit
Germany is #3. India is #4. Japan is #5.
SeattleHighlander@reddit
Japan is number 5.
https://cleartax.in/s/world-gdp-ranking-list#h0
Kroadus@reddit
Houtis clowns. Lol. They are the laughing stock of terrorist organizations.
DiamondNuts72@reddit
Geographically speaking the 38th parallel hasn’t changed since the ceasefire. True there was never a formal end but the South Korean are a lot better off defending themselves. Pretty sure S. Korea could handle N. Korea if the bullets start flying. South Korea is one of the most advanced countries in Asia. From an economic standpoint are you kidding me. Finished.
nick0tesla0@reddit
Always talk of god being in favor of everyone’s side. Religion is a poison.
Rare-Geologist7100@reddit
Pretty sure the Houthis have already shot at our ships in the gulf.
og_cosmosis@reddit
Its almost like they somehow got a signal of what we were abt to do.
JayBachsman@reddit
He literally looks like a little whelp.
pappyvanwinkle1111@reddit
This fucker has a death wish.
Puzzled-Station-1054@reddit
It really amazes me how people really don’t understand the need to keep Iran weak. Also It’s even crazy how people ignore the fact that Iran funds Terrorist groups.
19peacelily85@reddit
I’m so excited to be in an unconstitutional war that’s got about as much support as the Vietnam war, if not less. The winning under Trump is just knocking me out it’s so amazing.
RunNCIC@reddit
Don’t… touch… the boats.
N64Seller@reddit
Google 'Operation Praying Mantis' for some insights on how this would go for them...
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
https://i.redd.it/g1xqmdr9xd8f1.gif
9uYx3QemUHKy@reddit
If anyones gonna catch a nuke its these guys
bluelifesacrifice@reddit
Time to buy military industrial stocks because this is going to escalate.
DabbieMcDoob@reddit
this didn't age well
Mil3s101@reddit
Very punchable guy
IronCoffins90@reddit
It’s ok we don’t do a lot of things well but we’re great at bombing ppl. We will bomb you to obliteration
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
Especially if they have oil.
BardanoBois@reddit
2 hrs before Iran news. Honestly they probably bombed them a while ago.
Actaeon_II@reddit
So trump just unilaterally bombed a country with 2 nuclear powers supporting them and the ability to shut down shipping in a significant way.
noideawhatoput2@reddit
F22s above him just waiting to be intercepted
doublegg83@reddit
Too late. Trump said the Americans already left the area.
Sarasotadave10@reddit
Houthi bbq
matt0941@reddit
Youre sick in the head
dheldkdk@reddit
They’ve been attempting this already
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
Yeah... yeah they have.
JGCities@reddit
Houthis 5 minutes ago.... they used what to bomb Iran? It carries how many bombs? And the US has how many of them??
Nevermind America..... we good.
BlkSmth@reddit
😂💪🏻 yeah baby! Let’s get the fn party started already!
Unfair_Mail_5445@reddit
Part of me is saying fuck it lets knock the table over have the war and be done with it. I’m be really pissed off if I pay my debts off then we go to war
techdaddykraken@reddit
Not sure why we keep dancing around the ‘optics’ and ‘morality’ of being at war in the Middle East.
We have multiple carriers in the area, with tankers nearby, as well as B-2 bombers able to be launched at will.
Just wipe them off the map and forget about it. War is ugly, there will be civilian losses, and it will be horrible. As long as you are willing to accept that, you may as well do it quickly rather than prolong this charade.
Large-scale bombing runs to completely obliterate the Yemen and Iran military capabilities would rid us of all of this trouble. Instead we want to make isolated ‘tactical’ decisions to save face. If they are seriously that much of a threat, just by existing as a country, then stop trying to thread the needle and destroy only the bad guys. Just remove the country.
This is our current attitude: “where are the enemies?” “Copy that, launching targeted air strikes to those specific coordinates.”
This is the attitude we should be taking: “The enemy is in that direction” “Copy that, removing that direction.”
BABarracus@reddit
Trump is probably at home golfing
westex74@reddit
crlthrn@reddit
Why are these idiots always stridently ranting? N. Korea does this type of presenting too. It's ridiculous.
panzerdevil69@reddit
But funny to watch tbh. Especially NK news.
crlthrn@reddit
It's definitely funny.
Physical_Mirror6969@reddit
Houthis people think they are?
SeattleHighlander@reddit
I think perhaps the Houthis haven't figured out the concept of "counter battery."
c'est la guerre
Wellsy@reddit
Well, guess we’ll find out!
National-Rate5686@reddit
Inshalla
Confident-Arm-9843@reddit
Good luck with that little Yemen
solarpropietor@reddit
I’d advise them to ignore the US forces and focus on Israel. Do not take the bait.
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)
Celticness@reddit
Oh. Well if that’s it, please go ahead and take them. We can make more.
3490goat@reddit
Well, they will need a lot of “Gods help”. But this is all around terrible news
Quick_Bet9977@reddit
Of course the Houthis will be upset as Iran has been their main supporter and supplier so if Iran is crippled as seems to be the case the Houthis are probably going to be a lot less threatening in future.
StrawberryLeap@reddit
Well now we shall see considering the U.S. literally just bombed 3 Iranian nuclear sites
revan12281996@reddit
🎶 Here comes the sun, doo, dun, doo, doo Here comes the sun 🎶
Main_Finance88@reddit
Bro you talk too much, either do it or shut up.
Jimimninn@reddit
Well, here we go again
Dry-Membership3867@reddit
Are they high? Ask Iran what happened last time they did that
TheIrishWanderer@reddit
Sounds like the Americans and Israelis are asking for it.
Again.
RoyalSpectrum91@reddit
lol Iran lmao 🤣
SerotonineAddict@reddit
Oh the same that we're very silent and letting Iran die? Guess they got pressured into saying something at least
shadowfax12221@reddit
Why did they pick a dude with such a goofy voice to deliver their intimidating address? He sounds like an 8 year old reciting the Quran for the first time in front of all his relatives.
Upset-Diamond2857@reddit
Good teach them a lesson
HelpfulNobody@reddit
They’re gonna need more canoes.