Ford’s Recall Numbers Are Exploding This Year And It’s Only June
Posted by DocPhilMcGraw@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 122 comments
Posted by DocPhilMcGraw@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 122 comments
commies_get_out@reddit
Ford actually recalls issues whereas GM and Dodge just brush it under the rug and pretend the problem doesn’t exist, or just have fixes that intend to push the issue outside of warranty. Just look at the L87 6.2 recall, 0w40 oil is not going to fix the problem these engines have, only services to prolong it till past 60k miles. I say this as a GM dealership service parts guy.
HeavyDutyForks@reddit
Its not like all of these are recalls due to catastrophic engine failure. Would you rather them just not address issues as they crop up?
CartographerAny1066@reddit
Ford gets so much shit for recall numbers but I swear they do more voluntary recalls in the benefit of the customer than most companies
Alpine_Exchange_36@reddit
When Toyota does it they’re looking out for the customer. When Ford does it it’s because they made a shitty car….
imagen_leap@reddit
Not really a fan of either, but Toyota’s been denying warranty claims for GR corollas left and right, one bc the owner went above 85 mph. Just a singular case but still Toyota is a corp just like any other corp, not some angelic organization sent to revive customer satisfaction in the auto industry.
gothicserp3nt@reddit
This is incorrect and it's insane people still parrot such asinine nonsense. Toyota did not deny the warranty "because the owner went above 85 mph" and if anyone has at least 3rd grade reading level, the Toyota statement makes it clear that wasn't their cited reason.
The engine caught on fire. Car fires are always a car insurance issue, not a warranty issue. If anyone bothered to read the statement that takes like 30 seconds to read, they would see the 85mph was just an irrelevant point brought up to further deflect liability, but it had no bearing on their decision
bluekoda@reddit
This guy is on the Toyota PR team, clearly.
gothicserp3nt@reddit
Understanding the difference between warranties and insurance claims means I'm on the PR team? Ok
bluekoda@reddit
Nobody is misunderstanding the difference between insurance and a warranty. The direct response from Toyota in response to the claim as referenced in the root comment is as follows:
You are putting a lot of effort into turning around the blame onto the people involved and willfully disregarding how ridiculous the response Toyota gave is. As if the people involved are just a bunch of idiots. Why else and for what gain would you so blindly defend one of the largest car makers on the planet.
gothicserp3nt@reddit
There is no blame to turn around. Pointing out reality isn't a lot of effort. Point me to a case where a car caught on fire and it was a valid warranty claim that was approved. I'm sure you wont find one, because it is and always has been an insurance issue. I mean just look it up, dont take my word for it. Toyota's response is nonsense and gibberish, but they still need to make a statement since the incident is documented
bluekoda@reddit
I never advocated or claimed that engine fires are a warranty issue, full stop. The problem as I see it is that THE corporation that ultimately may be responsible made an extremely vague and ridiculous statement in response to a completely reasonable claim in the first place. As loophole-ridden and vague as insurance and warranties are, the person making the claim IS NOT being unreasonable by doing so, but Toyota's response IS. YOU are claiming that everyone above is a bunch of "insane parrots" and that the whole thing is "asinine nonsense". Let me break something to you simply. If the whole story wasn't so ridiculous, it wouldn't have reached so many people and garnered the attention that it did.
My point this entire time is that you're doing a lot of work to make it seem as if everyone else is the problem, for what? Again... to my original comment, I don't see any reason for someone to do so except that you must have a greater interest in doing do, like as if you were on Toyota's PR team.
gothicserp3nt@reddit
Credit to you, you saying Toyota is wrong for closing the doors to something they may have responsibility over is a much more reasonable argument than "Toyota’s been denying warranty claims for GR corollas left and right, one bc the owner went above 85 mph". I mean seriously anyone who thinks that's a true statement needs a reality check.
Warranties sure. With car fires and insurance, it's actually pretty clear. Anyone can pull up their insurance's basic FAQ page or look up their policy
Welcome to the internet, where clickbait stories with no merit get parroted. Here's a challenge - find an actual credible source (motortrend, car and driver) that reported on this story because all the reports i can find are from lame clickbait sites like motor1 and carscoops or whatever.
Never forget when Doug Demuro (whom I dont even care for, but at least he's closer to the car industry) clarified here that Subaru does not have any control over dealership markups, and that their demand volume simply isnt there to justify mark ups, this sub was adamant he was wrong because some months before, one person made the baseless claim that subaru corporate punished dealerships that marked up vehicles, and this sub ate it up like cake.
You seem to be ok with people wasting their time and barking up the wrong tree. If there's an actual motor defect causing car fires, the focus should be on establishing that link and pushing for a recall. What's whining about warranty policies and how stupid Toyota's statement was going to do if it's always going to be an insurance problem?
bluekoda@reddit
You're still implying in your argument as though I making the claims that Toyota is wrong for denying this guys warranty claim when in-fact my comments haven't been about the actual story from the start. This entire time I've been goofing on YOU for presenting yourself as some sort of online corporate shill defense bot who's out to shut down any rhetoric that makes their company look bad.
I see it like this. A car burned to the ground, Toyota acknowledged the obvious reason as to why it burned down, and anyone with a head on their shoulders would assume that it was most likely defect, but they then chose not to do anything about it. It doesn't matter whether the information being broadcast is or isn't "correct". The parts to the story that are relevant to how it was told and the way that it makes Toyota look bad could have been entirely avoided by Toyota from the start. Toyota the company was fully capable of preventing such a "commotion" by simply presenting themselves to their customer as anything except a money-hungry corporation, but that's what they chose to do. Toyota likely has hundreds of millions of dollars available to put towards real PR firms that would have never allowed a situation like this to occur in the first place. Maybe they should hire you up.
If you insist on pedantry and are complicit getting railed from behind by mega corps, then fine. But THAT is the reason why I'm arguing with you that you don't seem to understand.
gothicserp3nt@reddit
Actually it's pretty clear in writing. Anyone is free to pull up their warranty and insurance policy to clarify what incidents are covered. In fact pretty much all major auto insurance companies will have some basic FAQ page explaining what comprehensive insurance covers
This is already a lost cause but whatever - it has nothing to do with defending toyota or PR and everything to do with understanding how reality works. When you dont and people bark up the wrong tree, they complain about the wrong things, nothing gets solved, and they stay upset for the wrong reasons. Ask yourself - if there is a legitimate issue with GRC engines catching fire, what purpose does complaining about warranties serve if car fires have nothing to do with warranties? The correct focus should be on establishing that link and pushing for recalls that actually have to do with safety. Why does it matter if I dont care about Toyota? Replace Toyota with any brand or vehicle you care about, and when you see this level of silliness you will realize that all the fuss does nothing to improve the situation
Welcome to the internet where people parrot nonsense. Here's a challenge for you - find me an actual credible news source (e.g. motortrend, car and driver) that reported on this story. Because all the reports I can find are from lame clickbait sites like motor1, torquenews, or carbuzz
I still remember when Doug Demuro (whom i dont care much for, but at least he's much closer to the car industry) clarified that Subaru doesnt have a policy punishing dealership markups - they just dont have the volume demand to justify it. This sub insisted he was wrong because one person made the assertion that subaru punished dealerships that did markups, it this sub ate it up like cake
alldewhey@reddit
the engine caught on fire because it spit a rod out the block and the oil sprayed on the exhaust/turbo
gothicserp3nt@reddit
Source?
If a defect is linked to engine fires, the affected cars will be recalled, but any car already caught on fire will be an insurance claim
bluekoda@reddit
You're making all this fuss and yet haven't read the entire statement, even though it's been put in front of you for the third time now?
gothicserp3nt@reddit
Lmao. Spitting a rod isnt the only way a hole can appear in a block. The person i asked described it as if that exact sequence of events was determined, which is why I asked if that was an actual statement from Toyota or just their interpretation of what happened. What they said is plausible based on the toyota statement you quoted, but there's a difference. I'm sure that nuance will be lost on you though since you just like to argue
bluekoda@reddit
So what you're saying is that you're actually on Toyota's legal team, not their PR team, and that you need proof of how the engine that is still under warranty developed said hole. "Internal engine damage" not good enough apparently.
gothicserp3nt@reddit
I asked for a source, that's all
lmao
m0viestar@reddit
Direct quote from Toyota:
So yes, exceeding 85mph was a factor in them denying the warranty.
gothicserp3nt@reddit
Post the entire quote
carbide632@reddit
Probably because it was in first gear.
kilroy-was-here-2543@reddit
That’s the point he’s trying to make. Toyota has a ton of goodwill in the community so people tend to downplay their missteps, meanwhile those same people blow any issues from other companies wildly out of proportion
looselytranslated@reddit
Wow denied because the owner went above 85? That's insane...
airfryerfuntime@reddit
No, he was denied a warranty claim because he had aftermarket parts and money shifted. The ECU recorded it hitting like 12,000rpm before exploding. The warranty doesn't cover abuse and driver error. The 85mph thing was just something Toyota listed in the preliminary report, because that's when it exploded.
T-Baaller@reddit
Their comment had a sarcastic accent
spongebob_meth@reddit
Ford isn't even recalling anything relating to reliability. Owners are on their own for that. Safety stuff only.
Ford does build shitty cars lol.
gothicserp3nt@reddit
Why is this downvoted? Recalls are always for safety related issues. Not reliability.
spongebob_meth@reddit
Goes to show this sub's understanding of the auto industry...
One example that happened to me to drive this point home. Ford uses plastic quick connect fittings on the end of their coolant hoses. These fittings are junk, totally wrong material and virtually 100% chance of failure. Several of the ecoboost engines are super sensitive to air in the cooling system and will blow up as soon as they run low on coolant.
I bought a 1.0 ecoboost fiesta new in 2014. One coolant hose going to the turbo with these junk fittings failed and dumped the coolant. Luckily it had its failure pulling into the garage and it didn't blow the engine (most others were not so lucky). This hose was not recalled.
However, the 1.6 ecoboost in the fiesta ST using the same exact hose would cause the head to crack where there was pressurized oil, starting a fire. This one was recalled. Same exact part on both cars, but since my car would just blow the engine and NOT burst into flames, ford basically "good luck."
gothicserp3nt@reddit
Yea, the "ecoboom" joke was a thing for a while.
Across all sorts of cars with known failure points affecting reliability, there are so many comments here whining about recalls. Not how it works. You'll get a TSB or extended warranty coverage if you're lucky.
Oh and I'm still being accused of being a toyota shill for pointing out that gr corolla fire case is an auto insurance issue, not a warranty issue. Cars could be recalled if a direct defect was linked to fires, but it's not like Toyota expects people to bring the ashes of already burnt cars back to the dealership for a drivetrain replacement. No - that's what auto insurance is for to give those owners a check to replace the car
HaggardSummaries@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/ft86/comments/1gps7b1/a_new_subaru_and_toyota_engine_failure_lawsuit/
Are they looking out for the customer by voiding warranty claims over taking it to the track day they give you for free?
Are they looking out for the customer by not doing a recall over the oil pickup issue with the GR86?
gothicserp3nt@reddit
Nope. Their warranty policy around track use sucks
There is no oil pick up issue. Even if there were, that would be a reliability concern potentially fixed via TSBs. Recalls are for issues affecting safety
Hrhagadorn@reddit
Seems to me based on the fact that most of the recalls are minor things Ford is building pretty decent to good cars and on their dime fixing any mistakes. Kinda like a computer program getting got fixes to make it better.
kilroy-was-here-2543@reddit
The only big recall I know of for Ford is the “stop driving order” placed on the Super duty series trucks because theirs a missing retaining pin on some of the brake assemblies
osfn8@reddit
I had a Bronco Sport recall a couple years ago where they mailed me a sticker to put in the engine bay because the original had a typo on the fluid capacities.
Formber@reddit
The only recall I've had on my Ranger was to put a new sticker in the door jamb for the weight capacities. Otherwise not one actual issue with the vehicle itself.
jlt6666@reddit
This is amazing
signfang@reddit
Shh you don't get to defend brands other than Honda and Toyota in this subreddit
SettleAsRobin@reddit
No it shows that Toyota has quality control. Ford seemingly does not.
Alpine_Exchange_36@reddit
Which is why Ford is replacing over 100,000 engines….oh wait that’s Toyota…that’s great QC there
saml01@reddit
Thats GM.
I_amnotanonion@reddit
Toyota is as well
Hypnotist30@reddit
Let's not forget the frame issue! I think it took a class action to get them to take action on that issue.
392_hemi@reddit
Remind me again which brand makes expeditions and f150 and have timing chain and phaser issues around 60,000 miles. So you pay 40,000$-60,0000$ just to pay 6000$ more in parts and labour for timing chains. Ford should be ashamed of themselves
RunnerLuke357@reddit
That's what he said but in simpler terms.
iCama23@reddit
Yeah, that's why Ford can narrow a problem down to 10 cars an Toyota recalls 100000 /s
GimmeChickenBlasters@reddit
Like when they denied GR86 engine replacements for track driving and only caved in when they got swarmed on social media? Or when two completely stock GR Corolla's caught on fire and they denied their claims because they didn't have the "right tires" to drive over 85mph? That Toyota?
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BigAl265@reddit
Idk how ford is so bad at backup cameras. I love my ‘15 mustang GT, been driving it since I bought it new, but it’s had three recalls for that damn backup camera failing. They finally got it fixed, but it took like six years of bullshit before they got it right.
dbcanuck@reddit
VW has a similar recall.
6786_007@reddit
What's crazy is back up cameras aren't even new tech lol. Like how hard is that to fuck up? Cheap pos amazon backup cameras worked for years on my Camry when I installed it many years ago.
rob_s_458@reddit
The camera itself on my Mustang was fine, but the wiring harness was in a thin nylon and chafed every time I opened and closed the trunk. It was fixed under warranty before the recall and the dealer put it in a hard plastic that won't chafe, and it's been fine since. Technically the recall is still open but I like what the dealer did so I'm not having them redo it.
The camera on my Maverick is fine, but apparently the software glitches and causes the image to freeze on the screen, which would cause people to not realize they're about to hit something
6786_007@reddit
Yeah id be mad if that happened.
Tomur@reddit
My 19 GT also had a recall for the backup camera, lol
MrReadilyUnready@reddit
Recalls are a legal requirement, it's not a choice for them lmao
VioletGardens-left@reddit
I mean, if the issue with sheer amount of recalls or the issue is this bad, they would be in way worse predicament than Stellantis by now
randeus@reddit
Yeah, thankfully the pre-facelift s550 never had any serious recalls related to the drivetrain I think. Only one I had so far was the BCM not activating to show the brake fluid level being low. Not good, but it was an easy fix.
M3Core@reddit
Saving those catastrophic engine failure recalls for GM.
count_nuggula@reddit
You leave my lifters out of this!
What_the_8@reddit
Ecoboost 1.0L would like a word
DJMagicHandz@reddit
cries in 7.3
gulf_stream_fox@reddit
I had an issue with my Ford F-150 accelerating on its own
RiftHunter4@reddit
This is astonishing. How is it that my local shop can slap in a plain-ass android auto head unit and back-up camera, but manufacturers still can't get these, right? I got into a new Highlander the other day, and the backup cam looked worse than mine. Why does my $5000 Toyota have a better infotainment setup than a $50,000 new one? It's getting ridiculous.
testthrowawayzz@reddit
I'm less concerned about recalls because they're legally required and that's for any manufacturer. I'm more concerned about how a manufacturer handle other quality defects that won't lead to a recall because it's the little issues here and there that really wears down on my patience.
DocPhilMcGraw@reddit (OP)
I’d prefer they make a quality product from the start that didn’t require as many recalls.
I view it the same as when a game is launched and it needs a half dozen patches to make it playable. Sure I appreciate that the developers create a patch to enhance or fix the experience, but I’d still prefer it if it launched that way from the start.
Hrmerder@reddit
Ford will actually recall stuff. Dodge will tell you it’s your problem Hyundai will tell you to but another one
Interesting_Theme19@reddit
Lambo will slam you into a tree
Wrench78@reddit
I'm tired of looking at the 20 ecosports that have been sitting on our lot for almost a year now.
Formber@reddit
Why are you lying? Ecosports have been out of production for like 4 years now.
Wrench78@reddit
Why would I lie about something like this haha. Its a car rental lot I was talking about, said it in a post right under that one.
olov244@reddit
what the f is an ecosport? they just call a car anything these days
Iliveatnight@reddit
Imagine if Ford made a Yaris and gave it a small lift kit. What you’re picturing is an Ecosport.
C-C-X-V-I@reddit
A car that's been out of production a bit
Ghost17088@reddit
Hasn’t the Ecosport been out of production for a couple years now.
Wrench78@reddit
Rental lot
Exact_Mastodon_7803@reddit
Don’t you guys rotate them like every 6-8 months?
Wrench78@reddit
Maybe a decade ago, now it's 2-4 years. Rentals with 50k is normal. Although the OEMs have started up some programs agian, those will be that time frame and 10k miles.
rob_s_458@reddit
Sounds like Hertz. My work has agreements with both Hertz and Enterprise/National. Every Enterprise car has under 10k miles, even had a brand new car with 12 miles on it. Every Hertz has 40-60k
Exact_Mastodon_7803@reddit
Are you with one of the big brands? I did notice some higher mileage cars lately. Since Covid, I guess?
SoterPie@reddit
I had a Maverick... biggest piece of shit. r/cars thinks its the greatest thing ever for some reason.
timberwolvesguy@reddit
I work in the parts dept at a Ford store and most of these recalls are software updates or simple things like replacing a rear camera or checking that nuts are properly torqued. Even the battery recall mentioned in the article is just swapping it out with a new one.
I’d much rather a company fix these little issues, than deny anything is wrong.
billsbillsbilled@reddit
Have a ford that has had a few recalls the past couple of years and also some other small issues that ford repaired for me. Yeah you don’t want the car having issues but I’ve been pleased with ford’s response to issues
timberwolvesguy@reddit
That’s the thing. Idk why people see recalls as a bad thing, when it’s clear the company is trying to perfect their product. Most of these aren’t even catastrophic.
Specialist-Size9368@reddit
Must be a dealer thing. My ranger makes a grinding noise when changing certain gears. Its been going on for 30k miles. Dealer can reproduce it on demand. It has had multiple trips to diagnose and they can't figure it out. I have an extended warranty on the truck. It is worthless. They won't try anything unless they can pinpoint the exact cause.
billsbillsbilled@reddit
Very much dealer dependent. I did have a terrible service center at first that fought me on the first two issues even though they could reproduce and ford had notes out about diagnosing the issue and how to fix it.
Took it to a different dealer and it was fixed immediately. Try a different service center if you can
bgarza18@reddit
I got a brand new battery on a recall I didn’t know about while visiting for another software related recall. Pretty happy.
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dumbname0192837465@reddit
Fix or recall daily!
ALaLaLa98@reddit
Manufacturer doesn't recall: "what a shitty brand"
Manufacturer recalls: "what a shitty brand"
Never change car people. Never change.
SlayerSEclipse@reddit
Fix it again, Tony
justaboss101@reddit
Fiat?
orangutanDOTorg@reddit
It’s from Dale on King of the Hill
mbcook@reddit
Oh it’s much much older than that.
Certified_Dumbass@reddit
https://youtu.be/3AJCdmW33fM
orangutanDOTorg@reddit
I didn’t hear it used for Ford before that, just for fiat
PristineReputation@reddit
Fix Or Recall Daily
aprtur@reddit
With three minutes left in the 9th inning, he slam dunks for a touchdown!
Busterlimes@reddit
Maybe companies should stop cutting so many corners.
natesully33@reddit
Two on my lightning so far. One was a firmware update at home, the other required a dealer visit to ensure the factory actually torqued the front upper balljoints (turns out they did but I got new nuts anyway, yay). So, better than Stellantis with my Wrangler (3 visits for 4 recalls, I think?) as of today!
I can accept the firmware ones, since as a software engineer I know complex software breaks a lot and modern cars require complex software for regulatory and market reasons. Well, Slate aside maybe. What I don't understand is the recalls related to under-torqued fasteners, unclean engine machining and so on - you'd think carmakers would be pretty good at that stuff by now.
TenguBlade@reddit
That stuff was simply ignored under Fields and Hackett.
fak3g0d@reddit
Is it true recalls are self-reported? Companies willing to do recalls before 30,000 engine failures seems like a good thing.
DocPhilMcGraw@reddit (OP)
And yet Jim Farley still gets to keep his job.
WordWithinTheWord@reddit
Probably because Ford is the best-selling brand in the US?
Automatic-End-8256@reddit
Nah, it's because he was Chris Farley's brother
ragingxtc@reddit
Cousin. Though they definitely look alike.
Lucreth2@reddit
I thought the point of corporate America was to always be growing?
Ford is missing out on a ton of easy points
hehechibby@reddit
Think that’s Toyota , but only by like 26k vehicles
gulf_stream_fox@reddit
Sudden Unintended Acceleration in My 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning XLT— Crashed While Parking, Looking for Legal Support & Feedback
Hi everyone,
I’m posting to raise awareness and hopefully connect with others who may have experienced something similar — and to document what happened in case it helps others down the road.
Vehicle: 2024 Ford F-150 Lightning XLT (leased, VIN ending in G51898)
Date of incident: June 16, 2025
Location: Residential driveway in Florida
Mileage: Under 9322
While slowly pulling into my driveway and gently braking to park (foot was firmly on the brake), my Lightning suddenly and forcefully accelerated forward without me touching the accelerator. It launched into the wall in front of me, causing significant damage to the front end. There were no warning lights, and I was traveling at near idle speed. The truck acted on its own.
Questions:
I’ll update this post with dealership findings, EDR data (if I can get it), and medical reports once I’ve seen a doctor. Thanks for reading — and if this helps even one other person down the road, it was worth posting.
Stay safe out there.
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TXJKUR@reddit
Stop spamming reddit and call a lawyer.
gulf_stream_fox@reddit
stop covering for Ford and hide this accident
Confusedlifec@reddit
always been told ford isnt the best
gulf_stream_fox@reddit
My 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning XLT had Sudden Unintended Acceleration and Crashed While Parking
6oh7racing@reddit
Issue was found to be between the seat and the pedals
CombinationBitter889@reddit
In other words, don’t buy a Ford 😂
Ok_Cardiologist_6471@reddit
Have you seen Tesla's recalled list?
ZeroWashu@reddit
Well the difference tends to be Tesla has many recalls that are solved via OTA. However for those that are not there are quite a few where mobile service will drive to your home to replace the part in question.
Example, my 2018 3 was part of a wiring harness recall which was a wear issue with the wiring harness which provided the rearview camera feed. I scheduled it in the app and the technician arrived at my home and replaced. That did require removing inner trim pieces for the trunk and such but it sure was convenient. Twice in the seven years of my ownership the 12v needed to be replaced, both with prior warning, and each time it was less than $110 via a mobile tech.
Just dig into the details of all these Ford recalls, some are for a very small number of vehicles which is testament to how manufacturers learned that investment into tracking nearly every part that goes into each vehicle pays off in lower warranty costs. Used to be they would drag every owner in now they can tell when the bad batch was on the line. BMW did something similar when the K1600 motorcycles had failing, think 3rd gear, in the transmissions. They knew
OkDirection8015@reddit
Time to fire Farley.
fr4nk_j4eger@reddit
Such a great idea that wet timing belt, right?
toomanydamnwatches@reddit
Fix Or Recall Daily?