Jetzero Future of aviation and aerial refueling!
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United Airlines and USAF is investing at this apparently. It looks cool though
Fenriss_Wolf@reddit
All I can think of for the passenger version is:
First class gets all the window seats, and every remaining seat is a middle seat now! And now you've got to walk past a dozen people on the same aisle as you any time you have to go the bathroom. đ đ đ
It's a really cool design otherwise. Supposed to increase cargo capacity and fuel economy too, if I remember it correctly?
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
More importantly, to my mind, a shape such as this makes it far, far easier to find the volumes necessary to store hydrogen fuel, which in the normal tube-and-wing airliner is a helluva lot more difficult. You canât store hydrogen in the wings, since it needs either a cylindrical or spherical tank for compressed or cryocompressed hydrogen or an extremely insulated tank with low surface area for liquid hydrogen, and those canât fit into narrow spaces like that. That means that an enormous amount of space would be eaten up inside the fuselage, which is where an airplane is supposed to be making money.
An airplane, not unlike a passenger train, has as its limiting factor in revenue potential the volume in which it can put more people, who each require a certain amount of space even in economy-sardine configuration, and not necessarily the weight, except in the case of extremely long-haul flights that cut down on seats to maximize their fuel load.
That dynamic is pretty much the last thing that hydrogen plays well with. Compared to kerosene fuel, it is extremely lightweightâeven with the extra fuel tank equipment, it still weighs half as much as an equivalent kerosene energy content. However, it takes up a truly prodigious amount of space. Blended wing bodies and airships are pretty much the only kinds of aircraft that have the internal space to accommodate hydrogen tanks without taking a severe hit to passenger capacity.
4art4@reddit
I just watched this relivant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgEJ9jEDPcQ
redmercuryvendor@reddit
I still think Ammonia is a much more viable aviation fuel alternative than Hydrogen. Ammonia is very mild cryogen vs. Hydrogen's literally-the-hardest-element-to-liquify-and-keepliquid cryogen, 9.7x denser, not an explosion hazard (vs. Hydrogen's extraordinarily large mix ratio range supporting detonation), a very low fire hazard (narrow combustion range vs. Hydrogen's "yes, it will burn"), and requires minimal additional hardware to convert existing aircraft and engines (storable in wing tanks with additional insulation, catalytic cracker to break the Ammonia to gaseous Hydrogen and Nitrogen, and an exhaust catalytic converter to minimise NOx emissions), though dedicated designs are still preferable for maximum efficiency. The downsides are those NOx emissions (direct emissions higher than hydrocarbon aviation fuels, though converted NOx from atmospheric Nitrogen is lower due to lower combustion temperature), and the easy switchover from existing infrastructure also means direct competition with hydrocarbon aviation, which would remain cheaper if external costs are not applied (as they currently are not).
predictorM9@reddit
for Ammonia how do you handle a crash like for example the Indian air crash that just happened? If it had been full of ammonia, deaths would have been in the thousands, not hundreds...
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
Ammonia is seemingly always just barely on the wrong side of being viable, despite the numerous advantages you mention. Very frustrating indeed. If only it were a little less caustic, a little more energy-dense, a little less polluting⌠as it stands, it exists in an unenviable middle ground between the characteristics of hydrogen and the characteristics of kerosene, which usually tips in favor of one or the other rather than towards NH3.
seanhir@reddit
Put passengers in the wings!
4art4@reddit
If I understand it right, the reason we don't have these rolling off the lines right now is at least in part due to this shape is very difficult to engineer to survive the multiple trips to low air pressure/high internal pressure cycles that tube designs are relatively good at. So the hydrogen tank is a pressure vessel, but the human areas might also need to be pressure vessels. If that is true, these designs get a weight penalty for needing a separate aerodynamic structure and crew/passenger and the hydrogen pressure vessels. Conventional wings as fuel tanks "just bolted" onto the human pressure vessel is less complex and was shown to be lighter... when using what is now older tech.
That said, I really want to see this happen if some mad genius can make all of the numbers work.
greenizdabest@reddit
How about hydrogen in fuel cells ? If they can be used as fuel cells in submarines, im sure the engineering can be scaled up for aircraft. Might just not be cost efficient barring some major breakthrough
4art4@reddit
I am a huge fan of the idea of hydrogen. I used to think it was going to solve all of our energy problems. So every time I bring it up or read about it, I get so disappointed by the real world issues it brings.
Fuel cells get more power per kg of fuel than a turbine, but turbines get far more thrust per kg of "engine". This tradeoff might work for an ocean going vessel, but not an aircraft. But people are working on it, so maybe some day.
It is sorta a similar tradeoff with gaseous hydrogen vs liquified cryogenic hydrogen. Lower pressure (aircraft safety of high pressure is a concern during crashes, hard landings and even just over time), lighter materials, and no boil off - VS - much higher fuel density.
Never mind that everything the hydrogen touches will likely have to be swapped out on some schedule because of hydrogen embrittlement. This is not a great thing for an aircraft that normally uses the fuel tanks as part of the structure. There are materials that resist this, but those are expensive and/or brittle.
For all of a commercial aircraft's complexity, they are also elegant solutions. A hydrogen aircraft needs to bring the same level of elegance to the table to have a chance, but they bring more challenges than solutions. The winner in the near term will be good old jet A. In the mid-term, SAF. But I hope hydrogen will have its day in the sun.
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
The good news is that the weight of an âengineâ matters far, far less than the weight of the fuel for certain long-distance applications. Just the other day, I was doing the math on what a modernized, 200-ton helium rigid airshipâs performance would be if you switched it over to using ZeroAviaâs hydrogen fuel cells/fuel tanks and increased its cruising speed to 100 mph for transatlantic service.
The original 1930s fuel load and powerplant were 65 tons (including 3 tons for the fuel and oil systems) and 10 tons, respectively. With ZeroAviaâs ~1kW/kg fuel cell system running at 50% average efficiency and 50% H2 mass fraction fuel tanks, even with nearly double the horsepower requirements to sustain a higher rate of speed, the fuel plus fuel system weight drops to just under 30 tons and the âengineâ weight drops to just over 7 tons. Thatâs 38 tons of weight savings despite a large speed increase! Itâs also not even considering medium-term future improvements, such as high-temperature fuel cells that have over 3 kW/kg, or fuel cells with 60% efficiency, or even up to 85% efficiency with waste heat recycling, both of which save even more weight.
4art4@reddit
Lighter than air aircraft are an interesting option that I vaguely know people are working on. I saw one test article that was sorta a bwb/airship crossover. Very cool. Making the buoyancy of hydrogen work in your favor is exactly the type of elegant solution that just might work someday.
I definitely do not know the state of the art of fuel cells, and maybe the total roundtrip efficiency is much better than I know. Fuel cells are not competing with 1930s tech, nor would I find it interesting if someone could make a very expensive proof of concept. That said, your numbers look very positive.
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
Yes, there are three major playersâLTA Research, Hybrid Air Vehicles, and Flying Whales. Of those, every single one is trying to implement hydrogen as soon as they possibly can with such new technology because itâs such a slam-dunk for the airship and hybrid airship use-case. The upsides of hydrogen addresses airshipsâ greatest profit and productivity factorâweight savings, rather than volumeâwhile also suffering from none of the huge drawbacks of hydrogenâs bulk, since airship hulls already have vast amounts of unused space between the hull faring and gas cells.
Hydrogen fuel cells are an incredibly useful powerplant for airships, not just because it saves tens of tons of fuel weight, but also because they provide free, on-demand water ballast 9 times the weight of the hydrogen fuel on board, plus the ability to release hydrogen fuel into internal ballonets encased in inert, fireproof helium or nitrogen gas cells for additional lift, plus they provide a huge, constant stream of superheated nitrogen which isnât just useful for keeping potential hydrogen lift gas safe, but also for heating helium lift gas which can provide up to 30% extra lift on demand, and because fuel cells generate electricity rather than direct thrust, it allows for a more efficient, vastly more maneuverable distributed thrust vectoring system with electric motors. The Pathfinder 1 electric Zeppelin being flight tested by LTA in California uses 12 electric motors distributed all over the ship, for instance.
Thatâs a lot of really significant ancillary benefits.
True, 1930s airship engines weighed 4.5 pounds per horsepower (and if that sounds atrocious, know that itâs a definite improvement from 19th century airshipsâ 80 pounds per horsepower), whereas the best fuel cell systems we have today weigh 1.7 pounds per horsepower and standard turboprop engines weigh 0.5 pounds per horsepower.
However, the efficiency differences are enormous, and render even the most extreme differences in powerplant weight utterly negligible. For example, a 20% efficient internal combustion engine burning hydrogen (ICE engines are less efficient at burning hydrogen than normal fuel) would have a fuel and fuel system weight of 72 tons, and a turboprop burning hydrogen at 25% efficiency would require 58 tons of fuel, as opposed to the just under 30 tons for a 50% efficient fuel cell. Considering that modern powerplants only weigh a few tons at most regardless of type, efficiency is far more important than weight savings.
4art4@reddit
It seems like the slow speeds of airships will only be useful in niche applications.
Maybe international cargo to split the difference in time vs costs of ocean vessels and standard aircraft. I can imagine a future where most international shipping goes by airship, and mostly in the direction of the trade winds. That doesn't seem likely, but possible.
Maybe very short passenger trips like San Francisco to LA. And only then when the weather is suitable.
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
True, long-haul flights will have an overwhelming time advantage. However, those are only about 5% of all flights. Over 80% are short-haul flights where airships would excel both in terms of efficiency and operating costs, with little loss in relative time due to the lower distances involved.
Airships arenât actually that slow. Over short distances of a few hundred miles and carrying 100 tons of payload, the most productive cruising speed for a hybrid, heavier-than-air airship is 180 knots, and for a conventional, lighter-than-air rigid airship, 145 knots. Both are a fair bit faster than the average helicopter (~120 knots), and on the upper end of bullet train top speeds (and given how often trains stop and decelerate, their actual average speed is far lower).
However, longer distances demand slower cruising speeds. The optimum for distances of a few thousand miles is 150 knots and 82 knots, respectively. Hence why I was looking at 100 mph cruising speeds for a midsized conventional rigid airship, which converts to about 87 knots.
If you want to keep your airship below the length of a cruise ship or fuel tanker, your upper limit is about 500-1,000 tons of payload, depending on the design. That wonât replace bulk ore, fuel tankers, or anything really heavy and cheap, but it is far cheaper than conventional air freight per ton-mile, which is good for things like high-value manufactured products and food.
A significant additional benefit is the avoidance of transshipment costs and delays. Airships can land in any open field with enough space, or even lower down payloads while in flight with a gantry that just needs to be filled with water ballast or additional cargo while offloading, thus donât need airports, warehousing, rail transfers, trucking, etc.
Probably not most shipping, but a really good chunk of it. Particularly for bulky cargoes like aircraft and rocket parts, wind turbine blades, mining equipment, and so on that canât physically fit inside most airplanes.
Short ferry flights are the most promising passenger application, yes. The weather is less of a big deal than you might thinkâmost airships today are only small vessels used for advertising and sightseeing, but even the Zeppelin NTs used by Goodyear have a wind limit for landing and takeoff of 35 knotsâwhich is the same as the limits for a modern airliner like the Boeing 737. The all-weather Navy radar blimps used in the Cold War had an 88% mission availability during inclement weather like blizzards and thunderstorms, which is better than most military aircraft can manage even in clear air today, and their wind limit for takeoff and landing was about 45 knotsâwhich is towards the upper extreme of a literal gale-force wind.
As a general rule of thumb, the faster an airship, the higher its wind limit. Those Navy airships had a top speed of 82 knots, and a modern hybrid could be designed to be much faster than that.
greenizdabest@reddit
Thank you. Til
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
Oh, most definitely. A double-bubble cabin similar to some of the original A380 design concepts will probably be necessary, or else some sort of truly exotic and engineering-intensive organic shape that will be an absolute nightmare to design and manufacture.
The BWB looks like it has some compelling upsides on paper, but bringing it from paper to practical reality is such an utter nuisance that I highly suspect that it will prove, like the A380 and 787, to be too expensive to really justify itself. Iâm betting the first decently-sized BWB airliner comes in at least at $20 billion to develop, after all the predictable delays, problems, and so on.
cleverkid@reddit
Why do you say the 787 is too expensive to justify? Is it the extensive composite testing?
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
Nah, itâs referring to the fact that Boeing will likely lose money on the 787 due to the expense in R&D not being fully repaid by sales and maintenance, after all the recent issues with production and recalls and whatnot.
cleverkid@reddit
yeah... that's why I said the composite testing.. that was a huge factor ( maybe the primary factor ) in the design/certification costs. Totally new approach that had to be validated cost millions upon millions. Makes the project only turn a profit after thousand of examples are produced. Good think they've got the 737. That thing is still paying dividends.
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
Oh, itâs definitely a big factor, quite possibly the biggest single factor, but a lot of the 787âs production delays and recalls have had nothing to do with the composites.
And thatâs before we get into whatever might have caused the recent Air India disaster⌠which may or may not cause more delays and design changes to be made. M
cleverkid@reddit
Yeah, that's all true. It's monumentally challenging to field a new type based on fresh concepts. That's a sad reality of the commercial aviation universe. That's why Oshkosh is so much fun to see all the experimental stuff genius weirdos scrabble together in their garage.
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
The advent of 3D printing and various micro-manufactories has been a real boon for the âweirdo inventor working out of a shedâ demographic lately. Sadly, that still doesnât change the fact that thereâs basically no money in general aviation, hence the engines they have to work with, which can be more accurately labeled âfossils.â
Throwaway1303033042@reddit
Proposed seating arrangement isnât that bad:
https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2023/05/jetzero-factorydesign-bwb-cabin/
predictorM9@reddit
this means that we won't get the "quintuple excuse me" configuration?
KokoTheTalkingApe@reddit
It looks like there are three sections running down the length of the plane, with the seats arranged like 2-3, 2-2, 3-2.
And it looks like there's only a low wall between sections, but no openings in the wall so you can move between sections if needed. You'd think that would be important in case people need to evacuate.
Activision19@reddit
They probably will get rid of the wall in production models. I would bet the wall is only there to make it look more appealing to passengers in the concept images so it doesnât just look like 14 across seating.
KokoTheTalkingApe@reddit
The wall seems to cover the lower parts of those arcing diagonal columns/braces, which I suppose are structural. If they really do need to be diagonal, then it might be good to block them partially, so people don't walk under them and bonk their heads. But I think at leats a break in the wall here and there is necessary for safety.
RockApeGear@reddit
Looks a lot better than I imagined. Hopefully, they stick with this design and don't try to implement that God awful ass to face double-decker bullshit that keeps circulating on the internet.
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
Oh, Iâve seen those things. They seemingly exist to delight technocratic airline bean-counters, eproctophiliacs, and pretty much no one else.
4art4@reddit
Right? How in the heck would a stripe of window along a large section of seating work?
Sarkelias@reddit
Pretty sure those are meant to be screens showing a panoramic view from external cameras. I've heard of that concept a fair bit
4art4@reddit
That would make more sense. Especially because the human areas would likely not be on the skin of the aircraft. A realtime display might help mitigate motion sickness.
Stenthal@reddit
It's a screen. Which will definitely be used to show ads.
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
Or, more importantly, how the heck would it pass safety and evacuation standards?
00sucker00@reddit
Seems like the divider wall that is shown in the article you posted, could have a digital screen to mimic a window out of that side of the plane.
Inspi@reddit
Just wait for some analyst to take a look at that and realize they could make the arms 10% smaller, the padding 50% thinner, and take a few inches off the legroom to cram a ton more people in there.
francis2559@reddit
I wonder how flat it really is. Maybe the middle is for the galley, bathrooms, even cargo?
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
Youâd really want to save the innermost area for the nicest seats, since the effects of rolling would be much more pronounced on a BWB than on any normal commercial aircraft, where people are seated in a tube that is anywhere between 6 and 21 feet wide.
francis2559@reddit
Huh, so you can keep your window seat or your lunch? No thanks.
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
Yeah, itâs quite a bit more extreme on a BWB, but not nearly as bad as on a full-on flying wing. A BWB cabin like the Jetzero one has, by my rough estimation, a main cabin that is 36 feet wide (assuming fairly generously-sized 20â seats and 28â aisles). Thatâs nearly twice as much rolling as even the widest airliners today, but itâs nothing compared to the rolling of a flying wing airliner that may be 70-100 feet from the centerline.
Imagine youâre trying to have lunch, and the pilot decides to take a normal 3.5° turn to avoid a patch of rough weather coming up on the radar. One moment youâre relaxing, the next the poor flight attendant and his meal cart are pinned to the ceiling, and the moment after that, suddenly itâs raining chicken piccata and ginger ale all over you.
start3ch@reddit
Itâs much more efficient aerodynamically. But structurally itâs a challenge to make the pressure vessel for the cabin
Concise_Pirate@reddit
You're right about the window seats but not about the aisles. Nothing in this design limits how many aisles there are, and evacuation rules effectively mandate more than one. Even today wide body airplanes have two aisles.
DeltaV-Mzero@reddit
You actually want to be in the middle.
When that thing turns, the left and right extremes are Changing elevation by 15-30ft
zalurker@reddit
Between the complex pressure vessel and heavy rolling in the outer seats...
Cute. But this is going to end up mainly for cargo and tanker roles.
sevgonlernassau@reddit
I trust Scaled to successfully deliver a flying scaled aircraft, pending JetZero actually paying on time unlike a certain supersonic company. Everything else, I donât know.
2beatenup@reddit
Power plant maintenance crew has left the chatâŚ. What an idiotic design.
Adventurous_Eagle438@reddit
I got to see a part of the fuselage that they are building, it is going to be really, really cool to see fly. Jetzero/NG are already at work on an aerial refueling demonstrator, I think one of the guys told me they are targeting first flight in 2027, but not 100%.
HKTLE@reddit
BLENDED-WING-BODY (BWB) design ????
ganerfromspace2020@reddit
Can't lie, jet zero is incredibly sexy
Linkz98@reddit
As I understand it the reason these don't exist but have been concepted for decades is that nearly all infrastructure is not built for such a wide aircraft.
Ill_Profit_1399@reddit
If I had a dollar for every CGI planeâŚ.
Throwaway1303033042@reddit
So did they simply take a Boeing X-48C and slap new livery on it?
https://youtu.be/28blrKKg0Uo?si=Sizfv3PoTv9yEiyF
hippitybobbityty@reddit (OP)
Boeing had so many good designs.
KeneticKups@reddit
Had being the key word
hippitybobbityty@reddit (OP)
Sadly.
KeneticKups@reddit
MD buying Boeing with their own money got us here
Quackarov@reddit
So ugly
pinkfloyd4ever@reddit
Iâll believe it when I see it.
postmodest@reddit
this is definitely one of those "cool story, brah" designs.
InappropriateSquare6@reddit
Theyâve been teasing artistsâ renditions of these flying wing commercial airliners for decades.
I have yet to see a single full sized prototype that actually flies.
nothas@reddit
They're making the first full scale one now and are on track for first flight in 2027. Google is your friend.
pinkfloyd4ever@reddit
Again, Iâll believe it when I see it
KeneticKups@reddit
If we get this as a passenger aircraft I'll be exited but I ain't holding my breath
thetobesgeorge@reddit
Is it just me or does anyone else see the Arkbird from Ace Combat in this?
DirkMcDougal@reddit
My thought with these BWB designs is that it's going to take a few prototypes and iterations before they can be optimized and actually be better than wing and tube. I don't think any American company has the foresight and patience necessary for such a radical departure. I've got $50 the Chinese or possibly Airbus get something revolutionary to market first and we'll have to bail out Boeing.
Begle1@reddit
I'm pretty sure I saw this is Popular Mechanics 30 years ago.Â
It's been the plane of the future for a long time now.Â
YesMush1@reddit
Yeah it happens, if you look up old proposed fighter designs from the big companies a lot of the designs go back years but only now are we able to pull off the technologies that go into them.
LessWorld3276@reddit
I think of all the flying wing designs and how they contributed, back to the Horton Ho 229
P-38Lighting@reddit
meanwhile, actual flying wings that contributed:
waytosoon@reddit
He said back to, which would include every one you've mentioned.
LessWorld3276@reddit
I only mentioned the Ho because it was the first jet powered flying wing.
Jong_Biden_@reddit
It was a different concept of a double decker with 3 engines, this one is more serious and feasible
michael_in_sc@reddit
Definitely excited about this, especially given the total disaster the new tanker program has been and the lack of anything in the pipeline to replace the aging C17 fleet.
erhue@reddit
ill believe it when i see it.
The FAA has never certified such a design either, so that alone would be hell
jjamesr539@reddit
Theyâve looked into this a bunch of times and every time it fails for the same couple reasons.
This is a far more efficient shape for an aircraft in terms of fuel and speed, but the price tag of building an irregular pressure vessel like this makes production of at least civilian passenger versions impractically expensive. It doesnât save any money if the purchase price is doubled or tripled, or the service life is cut much shorter.
Passenger comfort is also a huge practical and safety issue, and itâs not one that be fixed. The further out from the centerline a seat is placed, the higher the g load for normal maneuvering. When a conventional airliner banks into a turn, the window seats are going up/down 3-4 feet, itâs manageable because even in a wide body design the window seats are only 20â or so from the centerline. The distance those seats travel when the plane banks goes up much faster than youâd think; at 40â from the centerline, the same seats are going up and down 15â-20â. In the biggest versions of this type of design, the most outboard seats would be pogoing up and down 60-70â in a few seconds every time the aircraft made a normal standard rate turn. Itâs not hard to imagine the amount of motion sickness based puking that would cause when 90% of the seats have no windows
GrafZeppelin127@reddit
Wouldnât the window seats be at most ten and a half feet from the centerline, even on a widebody? The widest of those I know of is only 21 feet from bulkhead to bulkhead, and assuming the center of rotation is exactly in the middle, that means the window seats would be no more than half that distance from the rotation axis.
BassKitty305017@reddit
Funny how just the paint job on the tanker makes it look stealthy. The body shape looks just about right then you see those two turbines that scream â here I amâ in terms of RCS. Then again, if youâre refueling in a place where youâre afraid of being lit up by opposing radar, you probably have some poor logistical planning.
murphsmodels@reddit
The only reason blended wing or alternate fuel airliners aren't going into service is because airlines and airports are too invested in "tube with wings" airliners. Blended wing airliners are wider and have different passenger doors than tubes. So gates will have to be widened, and boarding ramps redesigned. Ground handling equipment will need to be adapted or replaced, and mechanics retrained. Service procedures will have to be changed too. Right now mechanics can just walk up to a plane, pop open a door on the engine, check fluids and perform any service needed while the plane is sitting at the gate loading passengers.
BWB planes with engines on top will require special trucks or ladders/gantries to access the engines, which will slow down the turnaround process, and possibly take the plane out of service for routine servicing.
Plus infrastructure for alternate fuel and electric planes will have to be added, and built into the scheduling.
People have been trying to go away from tubes with wings since before tubes with wings were a thing. Google Vincent Burnelli, who was designing lifting body airliners in 1915.
werewulf35@reddit
Agree with all your comments regarding the redesign of the airports and the infrastructure changes.
We studied this concept when I was in school many years ago. The infrastructure issue was definitely one of the things that came up as a limiting factor. 2 other things:
1.) "The Aunt Martha Factor" as my professor labelled it. There is a mental concept of what airliners are and should look like because that is how they have always been - tubes with wings. So if "Aunt Martha" has a concept of what an airliner should look like, she would be skeptical of what a new and radical design. This could lead to lower revenue for the airlines and make the aircraft less viable. In time this could be adjusted, though.
2.) Passenger Cabin egress. In the event of an emergency on an airliner today, there are several exits to get out of the aircraft. 4 to 8 usually. However, in a new design like this, there comes into question how you get the passengers in the middle of the body out within a certain time frame. If you cannot get the passengers out efficiently and quickly, there may be design certification hiccups.
Overall, I personally love the BWB concept and seriously hope we see these in full scale operations in the future. Definitely a very viable option for cargo transport.
Fenriss_Wolf@reddit
I get the feeling that if they ever fly, we'll end up with some weirdly bastardized versions that are slightly blended bodies on the outside for aerodynamics and something along the lines of side-by-side angled tubes on the inside to save on costs...
ShakyBrainSurgeon@reddit
Nice renderings, I will be back when they have have an actual demostrator flying.
hitechpilot@reddit
That a350 front section is wild.
InfiniteBid2977@reddit
If I recall correctly a humongous hurtle to overcome is designing that flat body with a pressurized interior for occupants.. Easy to make cylinders or spheres structural sound for crew compartment pressurization requirements. A giant delta of complexity to make any other shape economically, physically & weight wise into a pressurized compartment for crew n passengers at 30 angles.
pouya02@reddit
Is it achievable render or just vaporware
AutonomousOrganism@reddit
I think a propfan would work well for such a configuration and increase efficiency.
hippitybobbityty@reddit (OP)
It will use PW2000 same as 757 and globemaster
Remarkable_Koala_311@reddit
Very cool.