Porsche Is Using AI To Catch EV Battery Problems Before They Happen
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ifeelwonky@reddit
Battery monitoring down to the cell level to predict failure is far from new
analytical_rex25@reddit
Everyone now uses “AI” for their marketing bullshit. Take it from a guy in industry that this is just a pretty typical Machine Learning model.
To give yall a fun fact and timeframe of how long machine learning has been around, the engineers at nasa ran logistic regression models that predicted the o-ring failure. Unfortunately, the execs didn’t exactly listen, to the model that showed an incredibly high chance of an o-ring failure.
Atompunk78@reddit
In what world isn’t machine learning ai?
AI is in no way wrong here, even if using the word is an active choice
analytical_rex25@reddit
Again, I’m in the industry, with education as a data scientist, just to give my self credibility.
As a general statement, AI is meant to replicate humans, machine learning is meant to learn data to establish patterns.
Atompunk78@reddit
Where are you getting this definition from? I’m adjacent to the industry (molecular dynamics) and ai to me has always meant anything ‘artificial’ (eg non living) and that which appears ‘intelligent’ which means literally anything from hardcoded enemy interactions in videogames to machine learning
PRSArchon@reddit
Lol, hardcoded interactions have never been considered AI.
Atompunk78@reddit
That’s not remotely true
Machine learning has only existed for a small few decades, yet the word ai has existed almost as long as computers have
Explain that if ai has never included hardcoded stuff?
frunklord420@reddit
The words for perpetual motion have existed for quite a while too. How are we doing on that front?
Atompunk78@reddit
That’s exactly my point though, if you agree hardcoded videogame enemies are AI then there we are, you agree with me?
frunklord420@reddit
No. It's not. It's a simulation of intelligence.
By your logic an if/else statement is artificial intelligence. The intelligence came from the person coding it. The computer didn't do any of the 'intelligent' bit.
If you wrote some code that said: if a == 1 return b else if a == 2 return c
Then the coder has had to come up with the solution to an input. The 'intelligence' came from the coder.
If you create a program that will take an input of a, and you train it to give the correct output of b or c in the correct scenarios, then the program has 'intelligently' come up with it's own solution. That is artificial intelligence.
Hardcoded video game enemies are just called AI. They aren't actually.
Atompunk78@reddit
You’re right that it’s a simulation of intelligence and that’s precisely my point
Artificial (not real; simulated) intelligence
It’s really this simple, and this broad. The definition doesn’t require the program to create its own intelligence (somehow), I’m unsure where you got that from
PRSArchon@reddit
Hardcoded interactions are not the same as machine learning.
Atompunk78@reddit
Obviously I know that
PRSArchon@reddit
You just stated the opposite
Atompunk78@reddit
No I didn’t
Machine learning is a subset of ai, hardcoded enemy interactions are a subset of ai
It’s not fucking hard man
PRSArchon@reddit
Its not hard, you are just wrong. Hardcoded outputs to a given input has never been considered AI.
Atompunk78@reddit
Define AI for me, in a way that encompasses the array of usage of it from reliable sources, then show me how hardcoded enemy ai isn’t that
What do you call hardcoded enemy behaviour if not ai anyway??
PRSArchon@reddit
Can you even read? I said AI has been used for NPC behavior for decades, but that were not hardcoded responses.
analytical_rex25@reddit
That’s the way we were taught to define this in a more layman’s terms. You are correct in that ML is subset of ai, but my og comment is trying to explain that people are calling everything as AI as a buzzword, when the concept of things like anomaly detection has been around for decades.
Recoil42@reddit
The problem is your framing: You're trying to suggest that it isn't 'true' AI and it's just being marketed as such, when you should have gone the other way — all modern AI is just statistical modelling and interpolation.
The 'AI' label isn't the problem, the problem is the knowledge gap for the layman audience and what it means when something is called AI in the first place.
Atompunk78@reddit
So you accept that ML is a subset of AI?? And therefore ML is AI?
I know ai is used as a buzzword, but that doesn’t change the definition or relationship between the words
analytical_rex25@reddit
Agree, but there has to be a distinction that all AI is not ML.
InvasionOfScipio@reddit
A series of if then statements is not AI.
gumol@reddit
It's actually a classic ML technique
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_tree_learning
Atompunk78@reddit
Machine learning is primarily matrices multiplication not if-thens, I’m not sure you understand what machine learning means
If nothing else, you please explain how machine learning is not ‘ai’? Like what differentiates the two such that the former is the case?
InvasionOfScipio@reddit
Im specifically talking about the whole article we’re here in the first place.
adjusts glasses
Atompunk78@reddit
That’s all great, but I was very clearly replying to a specific person about a specific assertion they made, rather than the article itself
hi_im_bored13@reddit
“It’s not ai it’s” lmao
Atompunk78@reddit
Exactly ahahah
Free_Range_Gamer@reddit
After ChatGPT came out, within a few months EVERY damn software product webpage is AI AI AI AI AI everywhere.
5GCovidInjection@reddit
Yeah I mean an airplane’s autopilot could count as artificial intelligence, and the autopilot computers have been around since the 1950s
analytical_rex25@reddit
The method of execution defines it as AI/ML. There is no learning involved in autopilot. It’s just following a heading, altitude or climb/descend rate,
gumol@reddit
How? It doesn't make any decisions. It follows a very specific (and honestly simple) algorithm. It's like dumb cruise control.
AIaris@reddit
i hate how the term “ai” is plastered on everything and anything
ViperThreat@reddit
welcome to the wonderful world of marketing.
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Good_Air_7192@reddit
That URL perfectly captures tech marketing shite
CortaCircuit@reddit
You know how you avoid EV battery pumps? You don't make EV cars.
NoctD@reddit
Too late - the problem for Porsche is EVs failing for them now as a strategy, they're in deep shit for ignoring ICE and wanting to go to EVs so quickly. Didn't need AI to tell them that either.
nevergonnastawp@reddit
And then what?
techtimee@reddit
Charge you out the ass for service
6786_007@reddit
Well AI isn't cheap lol.
throw_me_away3478@reddit
Batteries are usually covered under warranty.
CaptainGo@reddit
No no, this is Porsche we're talking about.
They'll charge you out the ass to remove it
KSAWill@reddit
First im gon stack my flow
NiceGuya@reddit
So they can void warranty, of course. You should not be breaking your battery
LloydDoyley@reddit
This isn't AI FFS.
GimmeChickenBlasters@reddit
It is AI, but it's likely not GPT which is the new hot thing. AI is a huge field that has been in practice for decades with applications we've all benefited from like spam filtering and credit card fraud detecting.
krombopulousnathan@reddit
A.I.: Allen Intern
bwoah_gimmethedrink@reddit
They should be catching what the Chinese brands are doing and why their EV's are failing in sales.
2005CrownVicP71@reddit
Looks like it’s a machine learning-type model that can use failure data to predict a failure.
BlazinAzn38@reddit
Which has been used for a long time in manufacturing
corbin6611@reddit
Not unique.
YellowFogLights@reddit
Oh my god, who the hell cares
knowledgeable_diablo@reddit
How’s that, by not putting them in in the first place? Just kidding.
Percolator2020@reddit
We think your car is about to break down, so we disabled it. You’re welcome!