It's starting, company just let go all scrum masters (50+) and replaced with Jira AI tooling
Posted by abrandis@reddit | ExperiencedDevs | View on Reddit | 334 comments
So we all hear that AI is an existential threat to jobs, but now at my friends company he just told me they actually let go folks and replaced them with AI tooling.
So it's not existential anymore, it's real , and pretty sure this is the beginning of a lot more similar initiatives...
Have you guys had any similar stories happen where you work?
Zaratsu_Daddy@reddit
As a proud agile scrum master it’s heartbreaking to see the lack of respect in this thread. Those 50 fallen scrum masters slaved over their certificates for days and this is the thanks they get?
Fair_Atmosphere_5185@reddit
I'd say that most of the takes in this thread are just straight up wrong.
Scrum masters are supposed to safeguard the process of scrum and ensure agile principles are being upheld. A chat bot cannot do this because the chat bot / AI agent can only evaluate the data it is being fed.
All this initiative will do is force developers to write tickets in the proper format, with proper acceptance criteria, and followed the defined standards - with absolutely no deviation.
That's not what agile is about and not what scrum masters were supposed to do in the first place.
All this is going to do is force time mandated waterfall in the guise of agile onto developers without the benefits of agile
PragmaticBoredom@reddit
Sadly, most of the takes in this thread are exactly what I’ve experienced with real life full-time Scrum Masters.
I’ve heard all about what they’re supposed to be or do, but in practice it’s very rare to find someone who does a full-time Scrum role well. The role has become a target for people who want the easiest job where they can do little work.
Fair_Atmosphere_5185@reddit
You could replace scrum master with developer and your statement could just as a true.
When you've worked with people who are good at their roles - it can really highlight how the role is supposed to function
PragmaticBoredom@reddit
No, the statement is not at all true if you substitute developers.
Most developers produce output because their work can’t be shifted to other roles and it’s much more obvious when they’re not contributing.
Fair_Atmosphere_5185@reddit
You clearly have rose colored glasses.
I've worked with some truly atrocious devs.
You miss my point. Most people aren't great at their jobs - they are decidedly average. You can't judge a role by some examples.
I'd argue that a scrum master is a much more difficult role to do well than a developer. It requires convincing people to do stuff when you have no power to compel the behavior. It's all soft skills.
PragmaticBoredom@reddit
I’m sorry most of the people you’ve worked with have been bad at their jobs and you’ve worked with some atrocious devs. That has not been the case across my career. Perhaps this difference is why you imagine scrum masters to be so valuable?
Fair_Atmosphere_5185@reddit
I’m sorry most of the people you’ve worked with have been bad at their jobs and you’ve worked with some atrocious scrum masters. That has not been the case across my career. Perhaps this difference is why you imagine devs to be so valuable?
PragmaticBoredom@reddit
The uno reverso doesn’t work here because ultimately the devs produce the work.
A team of good devs and a bad scrum master can still produce good work.
A team of bad devs with a good scrum master isn’t going to produce good code.
You’re just being obtuse.
Fair_Atmosphere_5185@reddit
Dude, code is not a product. Producing code doesn't mean shit
PragmaticBoredom@reddit
I don’t know about you, but in my experience code is indeed what gets shipped. L
We’re certainly not out here shipping scrum master meetings and agile ceremonies to the customer.
Fair_Atmosphere_5185@reddit
The right code is what gets shipped.
Not "code".
And developers usually have a hard time figuring out what the "right" code is.
All the soft skill positions on a team are surrounding getting the right requirements and building the right thing
PragmaticBoredom@reddit
Deciding the right features is the role of a product manager, not a scrum master.
Most of the industry gets along just fine with engineers, their manager, product managers, and project managers. I think you’re projecting half of those roles on the scrum master position.
Fair_Atmosphere_5185@reddit
Scrum masters are there to ensure that user stories are filled out correctly. That is integral to ensuring that the right thing is built.
They are there to protect the scrum process - for example the two week sprint. It's the scrum masters responsibility to push back on stakeholders when they want to shove work into the sprint mid session. This helps keep developers focused on what actually needs to be built.
Scrum masters are supposed to act as safeguards to the process of Agile and the process is highly focused on building the right stuff. When it becomes less focused you often become less focused on building the right stuff.
Look - I get that inexperienced devs love to hate on anyone who doesn't write code but it takes a village to build the right thing. Having respect for all members of the team lends itself to having a better functioning team.
SnooPears2424@reddit
the village doesn’t involve a scrum master. Explain to me how they ensure user stories are filled out correctly when they can’t understand the story at all?
Fair_Atmosphere_5185@reddit
The scrum masters with experience usually have more knowledge of the business works than most devs....
SnooPears2424@reddit
lol. And the Dev with experience can do that and 10x more.
Fair_Atmosphere_5185@reddit
The average tenure of a developer the last few years has been 2 years or less
They mostly don't stick around to learn
SnooPears2424@reddit
I, similar to most people in this thread, have never experienced a scrum master being able to write tickets with the right acceptance criteria. Ever. Because they don’t know information about the business and what the right criteria is. That’s the job of a good team lead and engineering manager.
most people are complaining about the dedicated scrum master whose’s job is solely being a scrum master, not the role and functionality that they’re supposed to to provide. Who wouldn’t want a secretary to schedule a meeting and move tickets for them? But as you can see most people have dealt with scrum masters who can’t even do that right.
PragmaticBoredom@reddit
I have worked with a scrum master who was reasonably good at their job, but it was still all unnecessary overhead for the team.
The pro-scrum-master arguments in this thread all assume a perfectly trained, disciplined scrum master in a team of incompetent developers without social skills. The best argument they can come up with is assuming best case for scrum masters and worst case for devs, then instead of improving the developer skills we’re supposed to believe a scrum master is going to compensate for the developer’s lack of soft skills. The mental gymnastics mixed with hatred of developers is all kind of fascinating.
Stealth528@reddit
Yeah I’d love to work with one of these “ideal” scrum masters because I’ve worked with 5 at my current company and not a single one understands the business or team enough to write ticket. 98% of tickets get written by a PM or dev and then the scrum master hounds them about updates
DreamAeon@reddit
Certs don’t bring value, nor does scrum masters.
We let go of ours and development velocity went up, figures.
SnooPears2424@reddit
I’m pretty sure the above comment was being sarcastic lol.
Sheldor5@reddit
what are Scrum Masters even doing when there is no Scrum meeting?
brinkcitykilla@reddit
My scrum master is like our consigliere. They have been in the org a long time and have a lot of institutional knowledge and they’re very good at keeping tabs on all of our tickets, requests, following up with other teams, tracking down the right people to ask when we’re stuck, setting up meetings with the right teams during planning, etc.
I’m sure there is definitely down time and slow days but the knowledge they bring to the table and the assistance they offer to new team members is very much appreciated. Not to mention they have a great attitude and are very nice to work with. Could they ultimately be replaced with AI? Probably. But I doubt AI could read the room or navigate the organization and communicate in the same way.
But ours is rare, other scrum masters we’ve had are a detriment to the team.
ALAS_POOR_YORICK_LOL@reddit
Yeah this is what theyre like when they are good. Thing is, you still don't really need them
TheHippoGuy69@reddit
u kinda do need that "role" in some sense tho, there must still be someone leading the project timeline planning and helping everyone to navigate the tasks.
Not all engineers are that proactive.
ALAS_POOR_YORICK_LOL@reddit
Is that not what the team lead does?
TheHippoGuy69@reddit
ya my point was that its depending on team size and how they function
Existential_Owl@reddit
Essentially, scrum masters are supposed to be a "change agent."
If an org simply creates a bunch of "scrum master" positions and hires a bunch of folks from outside into these positions, then they're going to be shit. Because these folks will literally have zero power to unblock people, change processes, or optimize workflows.
But if, as you said, you assign scrum master duties to folks with existing seniority and authority within the organization, then said scrum master role will be invaluable.
Because that's what they're supposed to be. People who empowered to change processes, and if they can't do that, then there's literally no point whatsoever to having them.
Kindly_Climate4567@reddit
Isn't that the job of the engineering manager?
_StupidSexyFlanders@reddit
Depends on your org. Technically yes, but if you have a really high performer who has incredible domain knowlege, but don't have the technical skills or background to be an EM than why force them to sit in that seat when you can have the SM take it on.
Serializedrequests@reddit
I was going to reply with something like this as well. A few years ago we had one person with this title, and she really helped smooth everything out, configure Jira, keep me unblocked, and fix broken processes.
Now we've grown and the people doing that have different titles (including more developer responsibility), but that work hasn't gone away.
Kindly_Climate4567@reddit
Before Covid my company had hired a contractor to scrum master for teams. All he did was ask: what have you been working on, what will you work on, any issues. That's it. And he was paid contractor rates.
Dapper-Neck3831@reddit
Our scrum master gets paid for saying 'who wants to share their screen?' at the beginning of our standup. Until 2 months ago at least, she kind of stopped doing that. Not sure what we pay her for now.
TwoFoldApproach@reddit
Same situation here. Went from a competent PM/scrum master to someone who's completely non technical, has no idea of running an IT project and simply does the exact same thing. Nowadays, she employs the same tactic. Enters a meeting, asks someone to lead it through sharing the screen and bitches about people not joining all (unnecessary) meetings she organizes. Complete waste of time and money...
ChrisMartins001@reddit
We had a similar one in my previous workplace, we talked about what he does and novody knew. He basically started and ended meetings and said that we could speak to him if we had any issues or suggestions. I never spoke to him but one of my colleagues went to him with a suggestion about processes and he was basically just "how does this make you feel?", as if he was a therapist. And of course his suggestion didn't go anywhere.
TwoFoldApproach@reddit
Might sound harsh but for me scrum masters and to a lesser extent PMs are a waste of money. A good engineering team with a good lead does not need to rely on this kind of roles. Self-organization and proper communication renders these people useless. In most cases they actually work in an opposite way to what they should be supposed to do, saturating works hours with useless meetings, suggestions and "ceremonies" just to justify their existence.
ChrisMartins001@reddit
Not harsh, I agree. I think PMs can be useful as the point of contact for the client.
farox@reddit
Prioritize stuff, clarify scope, deal with obstacles etc. A good PM is worth a lot
Dapper-Neck3831@reddit
Agree, as a dev, I love good PMs. And unlike scrum masters, most I've worked with were at least decent.
The bad ones that just offload their work to the developers and get angry about missed deadlines or features that were implemted incorrectly are horrible though.
ChrisMartins001@reddit
Good communication is probably the number 1 skill a PM needs. Most of the PMs I have worked with have been great, but the bad ones have been bad because they didn't communicate, and the problems we have came up against have been because something wasn't communicated to us.
Iannelli@reddit
Last month I started working for a non-tech company that creates a lot of custom software "products" aka business systems the employees use. The company is privately owned and they are weird about wanting to do everything in-house.
What I will say is that the technology team is overall quite mature and self-organized, to my surprise. There are no PMs or Scrum Masters (SM) at all. The agile/product teams simply share the load of PM/SM tasks and rotate who does what which week.
They probably save millions of dollars per year by not employing PMs or SMs.
Heylex@reddit
It harder for these people to provide positive value. But, for example, finding the right people to contact to help with understanding problem domain X is more useful duty to pass on to someone else.
However, if PM's were referred to as "Project Coordintor", or worse "Project Secutary", which would more accurately capture the most useful area that PMs directly provide to a team, iy would likely be classed a demeaning vs the current title.
Having worked with Delivery Leads, Business Analysts, Scrum Masters, Project Owners etc. They are seem to have overlapping responsibilities that just makes each other less effective.
At the end of the day, can count on one hand people in these roles that I would deem a significant positive to the team / company.
Slow-Entertainment20@reddit
While I completely agree, finding a competent lead engineer to handle this is actually pretty hard. I think most tech companies would do far better paying more for very senior engineers rather than hiring low/mid engineers. A lot of that is just competency and experience in what to expect
Bosse_Bossesson@reddit
The amount of people that get 'promoted' into PM roles without technical background in technical environments to promote knowledge diversity is crazy.
TwoFoldApproach@reddit
That's politics for you though and tbh I see this happening very often. Last year a person with almost nothing to show in terms of technical skills (just claims) was promoted to PM like position and was assigned a tech team to lead. A recipe for disaster if you ask me. Then, currently one of the worst developers in our project is being sized for a PM -- again -- like position. My experience so far has shown that actual technically proficient people have no time to sweet talk their way into managerial positions. They are simple foot-soldiers that create value and do the actual work. Bad developers and/or engineers on the other hand are the ones that are after such career paths.
itzmanu1989@reddit
Another reason: If you are too good in your current job, it will be harder to find a replacement who performs at the same level. So they lose by promoting you and you end up being in the same position
RusticBucket2@reddit
”But, but I’m Scrum Master Certified™!!”
wRolf@reddit
Sounds like my last 5 managers.
Saki-Sun@reddit
Our scrum master hands out running the scrum.
My last effort was no screen sharing. Express your update in 3 words or less and if you're late you don't get to talk.
I'm the scum master now.
throwawayskinlessbro@reddit
Well, it’s unreal that AI “took ouurrr jorbbbbs” then!
They-Took-Our-Jerbs@reddit
Did you call?
ALAS_POOR_YORICK_LOL@reddit
Yeah man, who would imagine? It takes real skill to ask a single question once a day
mrbrick@reddit
When our very small company got a new ceo he hired two scrum masters full time and each held a meeting every day asking those three questions. There was only like 6 of us on the team. Hated every second of it.
ccooddeerr@reddit
Worst part is if you are actually blocked by something they have no idea what to do, as they are not really technical, they hardly understand what you do.
Derp_turnipton@reddit
I had a manager who asked in meetings how long stuff would take.
A couple of days later he would come round and ask people individually the same questions hoping for a better answer.
Eventually he stopped holding the meetings which we could also mock him for as when someone asked me a project question I said the answer should be in $Name's minutes.
SlightAddress@reddit
Same here
agumonkey@reddit
Mine is paid above but that's justified cause he also loses data on Jira and self-hosted wikis, and that is priceless.
aoife-saol@reddit
It's the standard issue office disfunction! For morale purposes because nothing bonds engineers like a common enemy 🫡
agumonkey@reddit
them smart CEOs
TotallyNormalSquid@reddit
Did he actually help solve issues if there were issues?
SnooPears2424@reddit
wow, this is also several of our scrum masters.
moonaim@reddit
Tbh, that's all that's needed when things work well. The payment could come from times when this is not enough. Additionally there's the subtle learning as a team that one might not even notice happening, if not made explicit.
PasswordIsDongers@reddit
That's because the company will only listen to what contractors say, never its own people.
CoolNefariousness865@reddit
our company def used the role to pump their DEI numbers.
Schillelagh@reddit
My first experience with a full time scrum master was with our cloud partner. We previous had a legit PM that would remember tasks between meetings and understood our business. She held both their engineers and our staff accountable.
The scrum master actually created more friction since he wouldn’t even manage the board well. Forget to close out tasks, create duplicates under separate epics. Sometimes I wonder whether than spread him thin to save money.
It was a nightmare.
fallen_lights@reddit
...did he bill for 8 hours a day
Kindly_Climate4567@reddit
I think so because he was hanging arpund the office the whole day.
mothzilla@reddit
Nice.
twnbay76@reddit
A good SM acts as if they are a project manager, and then gets promoted to that title.
The ones that don't get axed inevitably once a company either realizes they don't need any more dedicated agile roles, or abandons agile to some capacity.
GlasnostBusters@reddit
orgies
FORB_@reddit
Mine doesn't even show up to scrum meetings 💀
joelene1892@reddit
We had a scrum master that was shared between a few teams for a while. He was nice and I liked him but with my team at least I felt he brought absolutely no value. He prepared the review meeting presentation so my manager did not have to……? And otherwise just ran our scrum meetings. I think he was supposed to assist with blockages and he did sometimes but we were always good at handling them as devs so it felt useless.
He was eventually let go. Team was fine without him. This was before AI so we replaced him with nothing. Manager took back running a couple meetings and the team rotates running the others.
Western_Objective209@reddit
My dept hired agile consultants, and we had all the rituals set up and each team had a scrum master. They were pretty meticulous in maintaining the JIRA boards and adding features, but it was like 5h a week of work. They were all let go after about a year
Stealth528@reddit
I’ve been at my current company nearly 4 years and never once have I seen a scrum master unblock anybody despite pretending that’s their job. They have no technical skills, so of course there’s nothing valuable they can provide to a technical team
ings0c@reddit
It’s weird that it transitioned into a job of its own. A scrum master was originally just someone in the team designated as the scrum master.
Another dev is capable of unblocking you. Some guy who has done a few “agile” training courses is completely useless outside of their incredibly narrow role.
patches85@reddit
I’m in the same situation. Our Scrum Master is a nice guy, but he doesn’t handle any Scrum-related ceremonies or tasks.
ab161@reddit
We have a scrum master and we spin a wheel to see which dev is leading the meeting lol. He does triage some stories forward and asks if anyone can pick them up?
Droid3T@reddit
Scrum master a position that makes no sense. A lead should be the scrum master or po.
hardkillz@reddit
As someone who's led scrum for 8+ years as a developer, I can't tell if you are joking or not
Sheldor5@reddit
no, you are a developer and as a tertiary role you also play a scrum master when needed
hardkillz@reddit
It really depends on the responsilities and other members of the team and organization, but being a good scrum master can take up quite a bit of time as they manage the boards and work with management on planning.
Most of the time I wouldnt say being a scrum master requires 25+ hours a week but its not nothing either if you do it right.
FistThePooper6969@reddit
If a tree falls in a forest…
wisdomcube0816@reddit
Well I'll tell you what they do. They deal with the god-damned customers so engineers don't have to! They have people skills! They are good at working with people! Can't you understand that?
i_dont_wanna_sign_in@reddit
A good one should take care of a lot of administrative overhead for the team, learn the produce so they can interact with POs, BAs, and maybe even testers. I've worked with very few good SMs
Comprehensive-Pea812@reddit
reading articles and posting on forums or exchange on how to do proper scrum
thisFishSmellsAboutD@reddit
If a scrum master wastes oxygen and no one notices, was the oxygen even wasted?
Sheldor5@reddit
yes because the oxygen is now missing in the air and impacts everybody else
thisFishSmellsAboutD@reddit
Accepted.
Could you please update the estimate of that impact in story points?
Sheldor5@reddit
sorry I can only estimate in t-shirt sizes ...
valkon_gr@reddit
They help unblocking the team! Haven't you heard???
Starkboy@reddit
QA . Atleast in my org.
RobertKerans@reddit
Whoah whoah, how the hell does that work? Surely the entire point of QA is human eyes on stuff: replacing it with AI seems insane‽
BElf1990@reddit
I used to have a very strong distaste for scrum masters and all the busy work people. I have recently started a new job that has no organisation at all. They're not managed in the slightest, and they're missing deadlines left and right and getting stuck in perpetual fire fighting mode. I've been trying to change that, but it's difficult as I also have non-organisational responsibilities and they're just completely trapped by business commitments, shoddy work that was rushed due to said commitments and many other factors. Some sort of manager to handle the planning/management of development would be worth their weight in gold here.
My takeaway from this is that if you have a decent process that works and enough senior people, you don't really get much value out of a scrum master but that's not always the case.
kutjelul@reddit
Your scrum master actually joins your scrum meetings??
TeeeeeFarmer@reddit
In my first company, our tech manager acted as scrum manager, after an year eventually - it dissolved into talking with product managers + qa + devops by myself & getting shit done. My tech manager has done "scrum certs" - so what's the point of separate ones ? Get the training done if needed & try it out.
In my second company, my manager did "managerial" work & nothing related to tech, made all process / documentation shit so much that, it dragged us down like hell & our team members acted as scrum masters. We know our customers from support engineers, tams, there was no product manager and we had usage metrics.
In my current company, no scrum master - we've backlog + active issues + development , everyone is responsible for themselves & plans their own shit.
Scrum masters were not needed even 6 years back.
SnooPears2424@reddit
I think they were created maybe in the late 90s when the only people who chose to go into tech were introverted nerds. But now that tech work is mainstream, and it’s hard to pass an interview bar at a top company without a good behavioral, they are no longer needed.
menckenjr@reddit
Pretty much as it should be.
Much_Discussion1490@reddit
Umm...I just want to know if a lot of people thought scrum masters were relevant roles in the first place?
Maybe 10 years back but now? In my previous org they let scrum masters go or asked them to get back into tech lead roles . This was a bank so it's not like they are in the cutting edge of innovation. In my current company which is a faang adjacent one , they don't even have scrum teams.
csanon212@reddit
I have never once seen a scrum master unblock a team. It always falls onto the tech lead or manager to solve, because these issues are usually highly technical in nature.
Stealth528@reddit
Yep every scrum master I’ve worked with always says it’s their job to unblock people, but they are incapable of resolving 95% of blockers, because shocker a non technical person cannot solve technical problems.
SnooPears2424@reddit
In my experience they can’t even comprehend the problem enough to identify the right person to help unblock.
zelmak@reddit
I’ve never seen it as a scrum masters job to unblock a team, like you said blocked are usually technical or political. I’ve seen their role to protect the teams time from outside distractions and facilitate effective communication. Unfortunately they rarely seem to do those well.
In a perfect world you have one scrum master to a team, they know the domain well, are fully up to speed with the roadmap, and have time to run interesting and engaging retros, planning meetings, refinements ect.
Unfortunately usually a scrum master is either assigned to several teams in which case they can’t do either of the above, or they’re an engineer wearing a 2nd hat and every minute they spend on learning a new retro format they’re not spending on the work that gets them promoted.
So you end up with a ton of people half-assing the role
Wooden-Contract-2760@reddit
Scrum Masters were never about what the job description claimed.
They were meant to "bridge communication gaps" because someone decided introverts can’t talk. Truth is, devs just skip the fake niceties. Forcing daily small talk didn’t help—it annoyed everyone.
They were supposed to mediate conflicts and support the team emotionally. That lasted until the first heated standup, where tech lingo flew and they had no idea what was happening. Most just checked out after that. No psych background, no real tools—just vibes.
They should’ve kept teams accountable. Instead, they tried being everyone’s buddy. No confrontation, no pushback—just passive agreement with whoever complained loudest. At this point, AI handles that job better, minus the awkward silences and political dances.
So now the role’s mostly ceremonial. But yeah, a few teams could still use someone to translate emotional chaos into actual meaning. That doesn’t make the title useful—just means humans are still messy.
Bottom line: Scrum’s a feel-good layer of corporate nonsense. Like free bananas—pleasant, irrelevant, and not the reason anyone builds great software.
valdocs_user@reddit
Every job I've ever had that included someone with a supposed mediator role, it always fell to the developer to figure it out on their own anyway because we're where the rubber meets the road. The business unit can be confused and the mediator can be wishy-washy, but at the end of the day the code says "x <" or "x <=", "tz = local" or "tz = UTC", etc.
reddit-ate-my-face@reddit
at my work the small bit of ""scrum master" work we have we do have someone for but they are also the tech lead. So it works pretty well imo. They manage the meetings for their project and unblock people and then have actual work to do.
Hexorg@reddit
Maybe I’m using a too generalized definition of a scrum master but I see them as someone independent from coding who can evaluate what features/bug fixes are relevant to customer/goal and which aren’t. This evaluation can be hard to do without a big bias when you’re one of the devs.
On the other hand evaluating priorities is a perfect job for modern AI
Stealth528@reddit
That’s a Product Manager, not Scrum Master
Hexorg@reddit
We don’t have a product manager 😅 that’s probably why my view of scrum master is distorted.
oupablo@reddit
This is because a tech lead understands the tech. It's way easier to have a person that understands the tech prioritize the board and coordinate with a product person than to insert a middleman that just watches the board like a hawk.
b1e@reddit
The type of agile that involves scrum masters has always been a joke and goes completely against what the agile manifesto was about in the first place. Unfortunately one of the authors of the agile manifesto became a grifter and built a whole industry around it and alas, we got scrum masters.
There’s a reason the top engineering orgs in the world rarely use scrum.
bstaruk@reddit
At digital agencies, scrum master is a project role that the PM or BA usually play.
ma11achy@reddit
Our company has hundreds of scrum masters, senior scrum masters and staff scrum masters - there's a career path if you want to go that route.
We also have Line Managers, senior Line Managers, Product Owners, senior Product Owners, Chapter Leads, Chapter Heads and senior Chapter Domain Leads.
None of the above that I am aware of do any development, engineering or creation of Intellectual Property. They seem to be forever in meetings 8 to 9 hours a day, 5 and sometimes 6 days a week.
I'm a senior (30yoe) developer who has been asked many times to join the management teams, but I refused. I love research and development.
So, yes - there are companies out there who have swallowed the agile pill completely.
leakingpointer123@reddit
I think it may make sense to hire a scrum master as a consultant for 2 months or so, so that he can implement scrum or parts of it. For anything the team has problems with. The more mature and experienced the team is the less that’s needed.
RedFlounder7@reddit
This is what the scrum masters at my last job did. They helped people understand how to do scrum correctly and were supposed to back away when things were running well. Only they never backed away. They just kept attending and even hired a second one.
Both really nice people, but not technical enough to actually do more than focus on the process. And yes, they were both full-time to run maybe 10 meetings. No ideas what they did the rest of the time.
leakingpointer123@reddit
I’ve had something similar. There was effort to give them other work. I’ve offered to teach one of them SQL so he could do some data analysis for the project. But all of them were very adamant on not touching anything other than scrum calls and jira. In the end they were fired some time later.
Schillelagh@reddit
I like this idea. The core issue is the scrum (and agile) are simply project management tools. A separate position built only around these tools will eventually become obsolete.
A project manager who happens to be a scrum expert is much more valuable to a company, and can do the consulting on the side.
leakingpointer123@reddit
It depends on the implementation and the maturity of the managers (and the team). In the purest form there will be conflict of interest, if they are the same person. I prefer a short term help, planned as short term, instead of hiring and firing cycles around agile roles - which is what seems to be happening in a lot of companies.
officerblues@reddit
Yeah, I would be absolutely shocked if I ever joined a company that had scrum masters. This is not a role anymore, it's not AI replacing them, it's just that this does not happen in the way teams manage themselves nowadays.
What I think is the real issue here is that the obviously successful move could embolden management towards the stupid direction: if AI can replace scrum masters, therefore it can replace engineers.
The silver lining is that they will figure it out really fast, in that case.
Much_Discussion1490@reddit
Yup using non-causal inference to make decisions and hitting it out if the park ,just randomly, some of the times is the hallmark of a good leader after all.
The number of backtracking i have seen on major decisions by "senior management" who were paid handsomely just a few quarters earlier when they were lauded by everyone for a new initiative or something is more than I would have expected.
Amkimg bold decisions is more important than making correct ones
smalls3486@reddit
Get “back” into tech lead roles? I’ve never even met a SM that was a developer prior let alone a tech lead.
Much_Discussion1490@reddit
Na in my previous org scrum masters were usually senior Devs who were there in the org for like 8-10 years.
They did the project management but they were also knowledge repositories for the squads.
This made them tolerable but they didn't really code or anything.
Then there were scrum consultants , who were hired from outside, who were the typical useless wannabe project manager kind
hybygy@reddit
I ask my SM to help with stuff once in a while. Usually I need help untangling the bureaucratic mess that the good idea fairy creates, and not something that makes sense to be doing in the first place.
jfcarr@reddit
They protected their job security by being the only people with admin level permissions on Jira and the only ones who could extract all the performance metrics from it.
mothzilla@reddit
Scrum Master is basically your immediate line manager. All the definition of "Scrum Master" does is make the role clear (ie servant leader) If you already have an immediate line manager then they'll have little to do.
ProtectionOne9478@reddit
Okay since everyone else is focusing on the content of what you said I'll be the pedant:
That is not the correct use of existential. You should have said "it's not just a threat anymore."
33ff00@reddit
Yeah who gives a shit about scrum? This misuse of existential was like christ this guy should be sacked.
ProtectionOne9478@reddit
It's a little funny because it suggests he thinks existential threat means "a threat that doesn't exist yet", which is kind of an oxymoron, because "I'm not threatening to fire you but I may threaten to fire you later" is itself a threat.
33ff00@reddit
I’m tempted to throw this post in Jira and see if their AI catches the error
LongjumpingMap574@reddit
Was scrum master their only responsibility or what?
beefz0r@reddit
Yeah, big companies that adopt agile/Scrum thinking it will magically resolve their process issues like to hire dedicated resources for that. In my experience they are the biggest waste of money together with agile coaches. They don't know shit about ongoing projects or their intricacies. They 'facilitate' communication you must do yourself anyway
eloel-@reddit
What kind of big companies?
I've worked at a few big companies, and I've seen it being a rotational role like on-call. I've seen an engineer take it on as 20% or so of their role so they'd be slightly less productive. I've seen it just not be a thing. Never ever seen a dedicated scrum master character
WJMazepas@reddit
I worked at ExxonMobil, so a boomer non-tech company, and they still have dedicated Scrum masters on it
beefz0r@reddit
For example a big 4 company I worked for
Far_Piglet_9596@reddit
Non-tech boomer companies
eloel-@reddit
Oh that sounds miserable to work in, I'm sorry
Far_Piglet_9596@reddit
I dont work in one, but thats the only place where these scrum masters still exist
LongjumpingMap574@reddit
Same here.
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arm089@reddit
I bet AI was just the excuse, who needs a scrum master anyway?
SuspiciousBrother971@reddit
AI has replaced bureaucratic roles that had fake responsibilities.
Good
_hephaestus@reddit
Regarding initiatives to replace actual jobs, I’m sure it’ll happen in some places, but generally with LLMs the decision to use them for some business function is based on “how much of a problem is it for this to be wrong”, which is why casual chatting and image generation are still the main usecases.
When a non technical stakeholder can ask an AI to build/maintain something more complicated than boilerplate crud it’ll be a bad day for engineers. However there isn’t a path for AI to prove it can reliably do this without also invalidating white collar work writ large and that problem is bigger than engineers getting replaced.
gekigangerii@reddit
A company reaching 2025 with the bloat of 50 scrum masters should be studied
Strict-Soup@reddit
I despise the scrum cult in all it's satanic forms
rfpels@reddit
I bet you those are the forms where management shoves scrum down your throat but do not adopt the culture itself.
Actual_Ayaya@reddit
I liked my scrum master. He would lead scrum in the morning and have some fun questions for all of us to talk about in our own lives. He was energetic and totally nerdy but had a good heart. He would regularly lead team games and ice breakers, so that was nice and a good rest from the busy work day.
But I don’t know how he got paid what he did. Made more than I as a junior software dev.
rfpels@reddit
Yeah that’s going to work. Let the dev do the interview team coordination. Good for productivity.
whyisitsooohard@reddit
I never understood what are they doing in the first place
r-nck-51@reddit
Remember that investors prefer when their investments are shrinking in operating costs because of AI being so good rather than bad financials.
atxgossiphound@reddit
First they cam came for the Web Masters and I said nothing.
Then they came for the Scrum Masters and I said nothing.
Maybe don't make fake tech jobs that label themselves "Master"?
MountaintopCoder@reddit
My last company got rid of scrum masters before AI released. I think it's just a low value job in this industry.
Farrishnakov@reddit
Piling on, but we just use SM as a way to give our admin an extra hour or so of work per week. Mostly because, if something needs unblocking or a follow up with an external group, she's great at scheduling things
Strict-Soup@reddit
Never ask a woman her age. Never ask a man how much he earns. Never ask a scrum master what they do all day.
marquoth_@reddit
Not that I'm saying we should be complacent about the long term impact of AI but "they laid off all the scrum masters" gets a shrug from me.
IMO you could replace every last one of them with a packet of biscuits and the result would be happier, better functioning teams.
Naimuri@reddit
Is it controversial to say I think this same way about devops? It made sense as an approach carried out by an engineering team on their own infrastructure, as a team in its own right it feels a lot like the intransigent sysadmins of the 00s. Maybe I’ve just had bad experiences though.
mvpmvh@reddit
In an ideal world, no, I probably wouldn't need to exist as a devops engineer; developers would 1. care about how their application is deployed and performing, and 2. handle it themselves. But alas, I work with engineers who barely know what a container is, or that prometheus is even a thing. It's not a product feature, so it's of no concern to them; so it becomes my full-time job instead 🤷🏽♂️
No_Stay_4583@reddit
Its the same bs term with full stack. Trying to cram everyone on a team into be able to do anything. Thus not needing dedicated roles. But as things get complicated you need specialists. Not talking about your mom and pop websites, but bigger ones. Good that John who is a developer can also spin up environments and maintain them. But its like jack of all trades master of none
Akkuma@reddit
DevOps was supposed to be engineers taking the deployment and maintenance away from a dedicated team. Engineers were supposed to understand the impact and infrastructure needs of what they were building. But, as anything gets larger lots of teams need dedicated people to maintain the infra (SREs) resulting in going back to something like that.
ccooddeerr@reddit
It has to start somewhere , today it’s scrum masters, tomorrow it will be something else..
BrickAskew@reddit
Replacing someone with a packet of biscuits is a phrase I’m taking forward in life. Thank you for this.
FaceRekr4309@reddit
Assuming these are biscuits in the British vernacular, so he's talking about cookies.
yeusk@reddit
And s biscuit will also help developers more than scrum gpt.
DjangoPony84@reddit
That is incredibly British.
travelinzac@reddit
Scrum master is a hat not a title. Looks like they figured that out.
RusticBucket2@reddit
Ha. I was ready to post “what does a scrum master do anyway?” before reading the update.
Reddit_is_fascist69@reddit
My scrum master asked me to help her learn Angular because they hired a second scrum master and she had nothing to do.
labab99@reddit
These terms are acceptable
VooDooBooBooBear@reddit
Eh, just cus something is a real paying role doesn't mean it should be, it's like recruiters, their services to society is negligible at best and frankly if we can re-skill these people to more effective riles then that's no bad thing.
ancientweasel@reddit
Scrum Masters should be a developer on the team. I would never accept an outside Scrum Master. I have in the past told them to just step aside.
depresssed_soul@reddit
Yes, in our organisation they let go of entire UI team, there used to be 5 of them, now they are asking us to generate the UI using AI tools
SporksInjected@reddit
I’ve experienced a version of this story: team of data scientists not buying or contracting help on a UI because generative tools made better quality products faster than the contracted teams.
CricketMysterious64@reddit
Sounds like they’re not concerned with ADA or style guides anymore.
depresssed_soul@reddit
The ux teams are still there, only devs were let go, we are kind of backend heavy organisation so don't have much UI to be worked upon as well, even if it's there, they are for internal applications and none of them are for external users so it kind of okish move but not good one to remove entire team
Informal_Pace9237@reddit
Just wait till the UI do not load or work in any browser. How ever great backend teams..
AI will become their sole customer in a few years
Dear_Philosopher_@reddit
Scrum masters are people who don't understand how software actually is built. I believe their existence doesn't contribute to the way software is being shipped nowadays, where engineers are very product driven and own features end to end while communicating directly with PMs. Scrum is obsolete outside of large corporations that do things the traditional way.
primespirals@reddit
The frustrating thing to me is that many of our repeat blockers relate to top-down issues: rigid RTO and ever-churning bureaucratic tasks designed to paint the picture upper-management wants getting in the way of work time, constant layoffs interrupting institutional knowledge and overworking current devs…
There are process improvements on the dev level that can be made, but they are lost in the sea of the above. By the time a new scrum master has been able to piece that together, they’ve been replaced, or enough of the team has that the underlying team-level issues have changed.
But leadership will never acknowledge that their stubbornness and are a big part of the problem, so scrum meetings are reduced to kabuki theater of overworked devs trying to appease a ghost process.
Apprehensive_Pea_725@reddit
Looking forward to see when the full dev team is being replaced.
utihnuli_jaganjac@reddit
What ai tooling? You are not providing any details here
Cube00@reddit
Cron job that sends "What did you do yesterday? What are you doing today? Why isn't the product already shipped?" in Slack at 9am every weekday.
utihnuli_jaganjac@reddit
Thats a great way to get rid of your highest performers
dashingThroughSnow12@reddit
Then sends the same message 53 minutes after you respond to this.
Informal_Pace9237@reddit
I would fire that PM who doesn't want to learn clicking Jira.
That scrum master who cannot help unblock team would go too
Militop@reddit
Hey ChatGPT, I want you to take on the role of Scrum Master and ask my team of 6 people what they're about today.
jfcarr@reddit
We shouldn't use AI for evil purposes. You get it to ask that question and before you know it, it will be scheduling 6 hours of daily planning to plan planning meetings.
Militop@reddit
Management will thank you for that. Now, do HR.
SlightAddress@reddit
Last company I worked in, I was the Scrum Master and it took up like 15 mins of my day, including the 10 min stand up..
Rest of the time I continued with dev duties..
Framnk@reddit
I’m looking forward to when AI starts replacing useless middle managers
SeattleTeriyaki@reddit
Ha, sounds more like your company is behind the times rather than ahead. This role stopped being a full time job years (maybe even a decade) ago.
Perfect-Campaign9551@reddit
Scrum is stupid , Kan Ban is better imo
Fabiolean@reddit
I would 100% have a useless human scrum master who can feed his family than a useless robot scrum master who's helping the company raise the stock price. 10/10 times.
sideshowrob2@reddit
First they came for the meeting planners, and I said nothing...
ButterPotatoHead@reddit
I think where this breaks down is when you have someone whose only job is to be a scrum master. By definition that person has to be sliced into many teams in order to make up a full time job, but then all that person does is run short meetings and move tickets around.
When Agile first started the scrum master role was filled by someone else on the team, a tech or business lead or sometimes it was round robin and everyone took a turn. The premise for this was, if you have a team of people that never talk to one another they can get off track and not be aware of what other people are doing, you can have duplicated work, or someone could be blocked by someone else, or someone could add a feature that everyone else is not aware of. Candidly, software developers tend to be introverts and do not usually willingly talk to other people or attend meetings and usually just want to be heads down in whatever problem they're working on and you can get a situation where everyone is in their own rabbit hole. So Agile added a single 15 minute meeting every day where people could quickly check in and stay on track.
This was also at a time before Slack and Teams and other real-time communication was commonplace, so the main two ways you interacted with your team were a meeting or email. The meeting was way more real-time and so was a good way to communicate.
However this has since devolved into standups that take an hour instead of 15 minutes and actually become status meetings, non-technical people running them who collect metrics they have to report up to leadership, a process that becomes heavier and heavier and starts to look like the waterfall that existed before Agile, etc.
aenemacanal@reddit
The new paradigm is engineers owning the entire pipeline. Now that we’re 100x more productive thanks to AI we’ll get paid 100x more right corporations?
liquidpele@reddit
> Update: yes I get that "scrum master" is a bit of B's type role (honestly all of corporate agile is kinda made up) ,but my main point is real paying job roles are being replaced ...
You point is that BS jobs are being replaced... because they were BS all along.
forbiddenknowledg3@reddit
Scrum masters were already being cut before AI.
I am still not convinced experienced engineers can be replaced.
WheyTooMuchWeight@reddit
Our company laid off QA, got rid of project managers and test coordinators - but hey at least we have Scrum Musters that help waste an extra few hours making sure our burn down charts look pretty to upper management.
selflessGene@reddit
Real project managers are still very valuable. But if your only contribution is updating a JIRA board and asking engineers what they did today then…yeah, just be happy it lasted this long.
stealth-monkey@reddit
Replaced something useless with something experimental. Seems logical.
MrEs@reddit
Wow scrum masters, thought they were obsolete like 10 years ago
martabakTelor6250@reddit
same here. I think it is absorbed into team lead role, years ago, in my work place.
One-Constant420@reddit
Oh you would be surprised. The fintech org I worked at in 2022 went all in on scrum, hired a scrum/agile coach and promoted some devs/QAs into scrum master roles. Most of them were made redundant the following year sadly.
FaceRekr4309@reddit
That's because Scrum Master is a role that does nothing. So they replaced a role that adds no value with an AI that adds no value. Congratulations.
Nondescript_Redditor@reddit
what company tho
skidmark_zuckerberg@reddit
We let our Scrum master go 5 years ago and never hired another because we didn’t notice a difference.
Afraid-Department-35@reddit
Our org was phasing out scrum masters for some time now, the last ones got let go about a month ago, including ones that were here for over 20 years. They weren’t replaced with AI, it’s just that the role of a scrum master was no longer needed, everything that a scrum master did we were just able to do it as a team.
scanguy25@reddit
We had a meeting set up with another company that said they could help us out with some capacity.
They basically said that they built a tool where you could assign tickets to a bot and it would do them using Claude AI. They would be downsizing their own team while still improving output.
Bodine12@reddit
I, too, can make wild promises in a sales meeting.
scanguy25@reddit
They said they were using it themselves and I believe them.
I raised my scepticism in the meeting. I do use Claude / Cursor extensively in my work so I know it capabilities and limitations well.
All the example tickets they showed were very small things. And I think they already had an existing system that just needed tweaks. The only big ticket showed was something that would have taken one of their devs one day. That's not a big feature in my book. A big feature takes 1-2 weeks. Or more.
We are building a new backend for our existing frontend and implementing a bunch of new features. I raised my doubts it could handle those features.
Ch3t@reddit
My old manager was difficult, but smart. I could work with him. He had been with the company for over a decade. New management came in and fired him. The yes-man skip-level was our manager in name only for almost a year. They hired an over-employed guy who only existed when we had an emergency. I couldn't get the guy the attend any meetings except when he told us he was leaving. They hired a new guy who promptly had an emergency in India and disappeared for a quarter. He should have stayed that way. Almost everyone has quit since he returned. Complete asshole. Now he takes every Friday off. I haven't spoken to him since maybe April. We have a daily standup. We never had a scrum master here. The manager has a spreadsheet to track our time. If he shows up, he just complains if someone didn't update the sheet. He gets pissed if anyone actually tries to talk about what they did or plan to do. An AI manager would certainly be an improvement to my situation.
Strus@reddit
Scrum Masters are useless anyway and their existence was justifiable only in ZIRP era. Actually, in many cases they are harmful to the teams and their productivity.
I don't agree that "real paying job" was replaced. Scrum Master is not a real job, it would not exist if we haven't the free money for the past few years.
Bstochastic@reddit
You don’t need AI to get rid of scrum masters.
ScudsCorp@reddit
Scrum master at some places would do double duty as engineering manager or product manager
Soooooo many meetings though
QueenAlucia@reddit
I didn't even know this role still existed. It's usually absorbed by the lead or something like that.
SpaceToaster@reddit
A real scrum master should be constantly grooming tickets, tracking down missing information, making sure things happen on time and are scheduled into the appropriate sprints, making sure blockers are resolved and don’t cascade, and communicate with product leads to articulate deliverables with the developers.
kakkiboi@reddit
I’ve never believed in the Scrum Master role. Any competent senior engineer or EM should be able to ensure work moves forward, blockers are resolved, and timelines are respected or push back when needed.
These roles tend to thrive in organisations where engineering and product isn’t the core focus. More customer service and delivery focused cultures mostly seen in offshore shops or consultancies.
That said, I do sympathise with anyone facing layoffs. Regardless of the role, it’s a tough market out there. But still… it’s Scrum. And better yet, replaced by Jira AI?
Brown_note11@reddit
You still have scrum masters?
vac2672@reddit
If your role was pm, devops, etc you weren’t needed to begin with
Phate1989@reddit
Yea devs now are going to troubleshoot terrafrom code that builds virtual wans?
Most of thr developers i know, don't understand dns, but yea you don't need infrastructure dev?
vac2672@reddit
Typical devops zombies are not troubleshooting anything. If you have tech skills as well maybe you’re safe for a while but not if you’re a sprint jockey
Malibooch@reddit
What DevOps roles are you talking about? Lots of devs can’t troubleshoot networking or aws infrastructure issues.
ins4yn@reddit
Scrum master wasn’t a real job anyway
wildrabbit12@reddit
Scrum master should have dissapeared 15 years ago
effectivescarequotes@reddit
The scrum masters and project managers are always let go first when the company is starting to struggle. Before AI, they just said the teams could manage themselves.
Be prepared for more layoffs.
lucymilesatx@reddit
50 scrum masters seems extreme, even for a large company.
Bodine12@reddit
I work in a SAFE organization, and I’m convinced they would get rid of every dev before they even considered scaling back their army of scrum masters.
Kindly_Climate4567@reddit
Scrum master has been an obsolete job for quite some time: engineering teams were doing it themselves. I personally never understood what value a separate scrum master role would add.
HugeSide@reddit
They’re as valuable as scrum itself.
mamaBiskothu@reddit
So basically very useful if uses correctly and competently?
ZunoJ@reddit
Found the scrum master lol
WaterOcelot@reddit
Like communism, it's great on paper. But in reality it always regresses into suppression.
Codex_Dev@reddit
I think it was supposed to be like a tech secretary that frees up coders from having to due mundane timecards/accounting.
No_Stay_4583@reddit
In my experience, mundane tasks were still routed to the teams lol. We never had dedicated scrum masters to begin with in almost 10 years. Its always a role someone does besides their main (e.g. developer)
intertubeluber@reddit
“Tech secretary” is a great take, as long as you have good product management.
I’m a core dev on a small startup team. I get a lot of raw requests from the sales team and end up taking on much of the scrum duties mostly related to managing the backlog, ensuring the priorities for the spring align with the business, define the stories, handling the road map, etc. its more than nothing and takes a decent amount of my mental focus away from coding tasks. It’s also not something AI can do, since it involves refining stories and making sure requirements are cohesive in the bigger picture.
We don't have a product manager. A good product manager would obviate the need for a lot of what I’m doing.
jfcarr@reddit
That one made me spew my coffee.
From what I've seen, they're just another manager you have to report to, making devs generate useless documentation (Jira) for them along with calling an endless series of timewasting meetings.
ALAS_POOR_YORICK_LOL@reddit
Yes. They add nothing, but they need work outputs, so the team wastes time trying to figure out how to make their teammate (who they probably like as a person) look like something other than a waste of space.
I had a buddy who took a promotion to scrum master. Laid off less than a year later. Loved working with him. Wish he had not pursued it
Codex_Dev@reddit
I've never worked with the role so I'm just basing it from what I've read online. Removing the role sounds like all the responsibilities will fall back to the coders, which might be a good or bad thing depending.
csanon212@reddit
The scrum master I work with will clean up all my Jora tasks and make confluence pages for planning sessions. They also prep everything for agile ceremonies. I used to be the scrum master and tech lead. Having them as separate roles does take a burden off me. They have never once solved a technical problem or unblocked the team. They don't solve issues like directors pushing down too much work or team leads being unreasonable. I'm sure if AI tooling replaced them it would be 90% as good an experience.
Codex_Dev@reddit
Thanks for sharing because I've never worked on a team with one or used it myself.
BarnabyJones2024@reddit
They yell at my team when stories we pull in after finishing early in a sprint end up rolling over, as opposed to sitting on our hands for three days. Seriously, we've had multiple hour long meetings arguing about this, and their perspective is they honestly cant understand why we would pull in a story we cant finish. Supposedly it makes them look bad.
michaeldain@reddit
A shame that the role turned into a weird sort of office assistant for devs. Like agile before it, the name is used but the process is changed to keep egos intact. If you practice scrum, the team has no bosses, it’s supposed to do all the work of figuring out what the product owner wants by their priorities. They only do theprescribed scrum meetings and are meant to be left to do their work. The scrum master helps them do scrum, but mainly works to help the business not mess with the team. If the team needs someone to help them communicate and collaborate, then you aren’t a scrum team. Think of a football team and a play. Your team executes the play, there isn’t someone helping you keep track if how it’s going, you’re gaining yards or losing them.
MetroidvaniaListsGuy@reddit
Scrum masters are still a thing in 2025?
darkrose3333@reddit
After https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/amazon-ceo-andy-jassy-on-generative-ai came out, I've also started to get a bit worried about how engineers are valued in the near short term
No_Stay_4583@reddit
Replace engineers with all white collar jobs. Spoiler alert nobody is valued at all. And if they can save a few pennies on you they will
ronmex7@reddit
Cap One was right all along
dom_optimus_maximus@reddit
Scrum is best done within the teams not with a dedicated outside source. Between the PM and tech lead if they cannot schedule, groom, design, and run restrospectives then the actual value of the exercise is questionable.
Im an agile scrum zealot (shoot me I know) but I only work from ground up with in the trenches collaboration as the manifesto intended
coleavenue@reddit
First they came for the scrum masters and I said nothing because that was never a real job.
zerocoldx911@reddit
We just don’t have them, good use for AI honestly
UXyes@reddit
This has been happening since VisiCalc. Scrum Masters have been dead weight for a long time. It’s more of hat than a role.
tallicafu1@reddit
I think ours bills 40 hours/week for tagging which cards are going to prod. The existence of this job in the first place shows how gullible companies can be.
Significant_Mouse_25@reddit
My employer laid off agility leads and didn’t replace them with AI. We just do it ourselves. I’ve maintained that product should do it, though. They have skin in the game. Instead some companies have engineering leads so it which I like less.
I’m not surprised other companies have realized the absolute waste that role is.
Our best agility leads were moved to new coaching positions to help train product teams on agile and improve tooling. Seems generally fine overall. Still want our product teams to run ceremonies though.
Retrojetpacks@reddit
I'd say give it a year and see if they hire people back.
No_Stay_4583@reddit
At my job we never had dedicated scrum masters in almost 10 years. Never had any hiccups.
Kind_Dragonfruit_723@reddit
definitely not the scrum masters, but i agree if they were developers or QA
Therabidmonkey@reddit
At my company we got rid of scrum masters about a year or two ago. Jira tickets are updated slower, but aside from that no one has really missed them. We didn't use AI or anything.
dodiyeztr@reddit
This guy gets it
CRoseCrizzle@reddit
Like others have said bere, I feel like companies can easily let go of all scrum masters without replacing them and the company's dev teams would be fine.
That said, I am curious how exactly Jira's AI tooling replaces scrum masters(and if that adds any actual value). I guess I'll have to google that.
Pattern I've noticed with AI is that people are getting caught up in the hype based on a small sample size. And it seems like many leaders are looking into turning to it before it's been fully vetted imo. The technology is impressive and can do some good work incredibly quickly, but I still think it has some ways to go.
Regardless, I do think somewhat soon many companies will recklessly fire devs for AI tools and end up with mixed results. Some companies will rehire some of the devs back. Others will be satisfied or try to make the AI dev work even if they aren't since it's cheaper.
Though inevitably in the future(that may not be too distant), AI will be geniunely capable of fully executing most if not all human jobs, software development included ofc.
NoCardio_@reddit
Is there a bigger joke in the field than scrum master?
Justice4Ned@reddit
Scrum masters were already replaced by SaaS at most respectable companies
fragrant_ginger@reddit
Never ask a women her weight, a man his salary, a scrum master what they do all day
dc91911@reddit
I thought a scrum master was the go between devs and leadership who do know tech sht. the scrum master would crack the whip but yet protect the devs from the bs deadlines leadership tries to impose?
PothosEchoNiner@reddit
The engineering manager is supposed to do that. It’s funny how in these comments the dedicated scrum master is suggested as essential for compensating for the basic incompetence of other roles. Just hire engineering managers that can protect their teams and don’t promote any devs to senior unless they can run meetings and organize projects.
onafoggynight@reddit
And then you hire grown ups who can do that on their own. And talk to customers like a normal person.
At this point you do not need a scrum master or PO, but basically a competent administrative assistant for the team, and we have come full circle.
Radrezzz@reddit
As a dev, I’m no good with customers, so what I need is someone to bring the requirements down to me from the customer. Or at least have their secretary do it…
bloodwine@reddit
So someone with people skills?
Radrezzz@reddit
IM A PEOPLE PERSON DAMMIT!!!
Sou7h@reddit
Sounds more like a product owner/product manager.
Informal_Pace9237@reddit
That is exactly the JD of a BA. Yes scrum masters could even take up that role if they are good enough.
Radrezzz@reddit
So like a PM/PO?
becoming_brianna@reddit
Or an engineering manager
agumonkey@reddit
and nothing of value was lost
SethEllis@reddit
There's something very wrong with your company's implementation of agile if they have 50 full time scrum masters. Sounds like a complete misunderstanding of the role. The scrum master's primary role is to help avoid and resolve blockers and dependencies. Which is not a full time job anywhere I've been. But is also not very automatable. If devs are more efficient because of AI, shouldn't avoiding blockers only become more important?
So this is not AI replacing people. Just a company that never understood what it was doing in the first place.
kreetikal@reddit
Well, to be honest, Scrum Master is not a real job.
fr0st@reddit
People are asking about the AI tools but I'm curious what company is hiring FIFTY scrum masters to begin with. Unless that company is Microsoft or maybe Amazon, but I don't think even those places would hire that many scrum masters.
dreamer_@reddit
Worked as a contractor for Microsoft for some time - role of scrum master was filled by one of senior programmers and it worked really good, meeting were actually bringing the value. Management hated it because the process was working for the team, but not for them - they hired a new SM to take over and allow senior to work on his normal day-to-day tasks. Over a course of 2 months, the well-polished development process with minimal number of meetings degraded to typical corporate bullshit meeting-fest. Another few months later, the contractors who built the project were replaced by a team from India. Another year later, the whole project was nuked.
Kindly_Climate4567@reddit
Automotive had loads of these roles.
DualActiveBridgeLLC@reddit
#1 Why would being a scrum master be a full time job, much less 50 of them. I am the EM and recently took on scrum master role. It is literally like 30 minutes of work a day tops that has no preparation work.
#2 what does an AI Scrum Master even look like? The hard parts of being an SM is when someone is blocked understanding who in the organization can unblock, potential workaround, as well as if we should even be doing the task in the first place. I guess it could conduct a retro/planning, but as EM I already was attending those so it doesn't free anyone up.
#3 I have tried to use the Jira AI to build very basic JQL scripts and it has failed 100% of the time. How the hell is it going to humans if it can't even understand it's own language?
fostadosta@reddit
Our scrum master was measuring tables to optimize work area sitting
Every company that had dedicated scum master was utter joke
EmptyPond@reddit
Did you guys have 50 full time scrum masters?? Or are they PMs that you guys just called scrum masters? Cause 50 full time is huh, a waste
notger@reddit
There is the notion of the "bullshit job" (read the book by Glaeser), where one of the job categories are "task relays".
So far, I am of the conviction that Scrum masters are not worth the money and time invested in them.
MrMichaelJames@reddit
Uhh that should have happened years ago. Scrum masters are worthless.
Drayenn@reddit
When i was in school, our teacher taught us that scrum masters are devs who do scrum master work on the side. That made sense to me.
Cue my job having scrum master as a full time job... Like, why? I dont even know what they do most of the time. Ive replaced mine during vacation and it didnt take that much time out of my week...
slayerzerg@reddit
Not sure why scrum master was ever needed
HST2345@reddit
Okay here's small real life example...
These are all minor tasks for some fukn manager and removed the office admin Mary as a part of cost cutting ✂️.... - next few months everyone in office realised how tough the job is and immediately recruited adminn again....
Scrum masters for a big organisation are office admins in the above example ..For you guys, their work seems post man etc but its not
onafoggynight@reddit
Yes. So hire a good administrative assistant / office admin. One of the most underappreciated jobs in a company.
mrfredngo@reddit
You mean they let go of 50+ scrum masters, or they let go of scrum masters that are aged 50+? Not clear.
Aggressive_Ad_5454@reddit
Who hoo. Fake Agile becomes Fake AIgile. Fifty scrum masters? WTF?
BTW, an existential threat is one that threatens our existence. Like climate change and the power consumption of AI.
vanisher_1@reddit
Scrum masters jobs are just useless imho, they basically repeat the same Agile concepts over and over again and make sure the best practice are followed etc.. maybe the only useful part is the psychological support they can give if a candidate is struggling in some way 🤷♂️
captain_obvious_here@reddit
A company that has 50+ people dedicated to only scrum management is silly in the first place.
Scrum management never takes full time. You give this role to people who know the projects and the people well, and who can realistically free 10-30% of their time for scrum management. Even better, you give this role to someone else every other sprint.
isurujn@reddit
Scrum master was never meant to be a separate job anyway. It was a role that was supposed to be passed around the scrum team in each sprint regardless of your job. But of course our industry can't stop itself from twisting ideas and inventing unnecessary crap.
PM_ME_YOUR_MUSIC@reddit
That actually makes a lot more sense
StackOwOFlow@reddit
not all that surprising
Wrong_College1347@reddit
I believe that the SM is responsible for the process. And the process strongly affects the results.
I worked for companies with bad/no processes and poor results and I hear a lot of people crying about poor processes in other companies.
And now, the process people are replaced by an AI process?! That makes no sense.
wakkawakkaaaa@reddit
First time hearing about full time scrum masters
All the scrum masters I know are auxiliary appointment on top of their usual role like engineer/tech lead or even project manager etc
Your company is finally getting with the times and probably not an AI thing
failsafe-author@reddit
It’s only “starting” if it continues and this is successful. I haven’t heard stories (yet) of these kinds of things being successful.
uintpt@reddit
Scrum master is near the top of bullshit jobs that got invented when everyone and their mum wanted a slice of the tech pie
I once had the misfortune of working with one who refused to learn JIRA. Yes, literally the only piece of software they were expected to know better than anyone else. Literal bloat with no value
ALAS_POOR_YORICK_LOL@reddit
Feel like scrum master layoffs are just corporate ritual sacrifice at this point. they always go first. why anyone gets into this position is beyond me. Most team leads do it as just one of their many responsibilities
Forsaken_Celery8197@reddit
How many bananas is this story worth? Would you say 8 bananas?
bravopapa99@reddit
They'll soon regret it.
chaitanyathengdi@reddit
I guess you misunderstood the meaning of "existential".
VelvetBlackmoon@reddit
Bogus role anyways
kedaraunt@reddit
They will realise in some months that Scrum Master is absolutely important because someone needs to be a keeper of the Vision, Human touch or Human Anguish gets team moving and not some idiotic robot 🤖 voice
dashingThroughSnow12@reddit
How did the company have 50+ scrum masters?
casastorta@reddit
Scrum master should not have been a full time role, but functional title on top of other duties of some senior+ engineer.
In really large companies there’s some room for internal “agile coaches” but maybe 2-4 in a place of 20k people, and that also doesn’t look permanent - if they’re good at their job, teams they’ve coached will grow agile culture throughout the company themselves while moving to new teams and between teams.
Crafty_Independence@reddit
Scrum Master was always an artificial position for wannabe middle management. It's not supposed to be a full-time job - It's literally just supposed to be a small role filled by an existing team member.
The company should never have had 50+ Scrum Masters in the first place
Informal_Pace9237@reddit
What scrum masters do..
Ensure implementation of proper details in the tasks Ensure tasks go as planned and developers get the info they require in time Ensure projects go in time as planned Ensure work is shared between teams. Ensure team works as a team and not as a game
Without scrum masters projects would be left in chaos. If an org and teams Luke to work in chaos.. so be it.
thecodingart@reddit
This isn’t really an AI thing. Dedicated Scrum Master jobs have been in jeopardy for at least 5 years now. Most companies have collapsed this role into EM, TL, or PM positions.
marlfox130@reddit
I mean....that should have happened years ago TBH. If you need a dedicated person running your ceremonies at this point you're doing it wrong. This just reinforces my idea that AI can only handle a subset of what we do and that it's not going to be the job apocalypse that everyone is worried about.
edimaudo@reddit
Not really an ai issue, more of value. Most scrum masters that I am aware of only do the basics.
ionalpha_@reddit
Well according to this sub it isn't starting, AI is slop and can't possibly automate what we do. /s
Keep buyring your heads, folks!
BadDescriptions@reddit
I slightly disagree with a lot of the comments as I’ve had some good scrum masters in the past. A good scrum master can help getting a team organised and showing the teams value. Once this is done and things are running smoothly their role isn’t needed, a good scrum master will put themselves out of a job.
Djelimon@reddit
I dunno... I mean our SM is a bit formulaic and doesn't really help enforce process or help prioritize or enforce prioritization. The only time they break out of robot mode is Sprint retros and even then it's weird icebreaker party games. My god, we've been working on this project for a year, do we really need to know whether person X prefers mountains or beaches?
Mast3rCylinder@reddit
If scrum master was their only responsebility you could replace them already with slack bot.
some_where_else@reddit
'Existential threat' doesn't mean a hypothetical threat, it means 'a threat to the existence of'.
Heavy_Discussion3518@reddit
Scrum master, I mean the word master has been eliminated from most relevant tech companies (e.g. main branch!), so it makes sense this stupid role is gone too.
morbiiq@reddit
I’m more surprised that a company has 50 people hired just to be scrum masters….
crunk@reddit
Now delete JIRA
calloutyourstupidity@reddit
lol scrum masters needed no AI to fire them all. Never been a useful role.
DreamAeon@reddit
Scrum master must be the most replacable role.
Most tech teams self-regulate and what SM is doing is basically asking what are you doing and is something blocking you.
None of which helps unblock tasks anyway
officerblues@reddit
Op, existential threat means it's a threat to something's existence. It does not mean imaginary, as you seem to imply.
jatmous@reddit
Scrum master is a fake job and any company that still had them was just displaying their utter and total lack of leadership and vision.
thinking_velasquez@reddit
Scrum Masters are the biggest scam that ever came over this industry. This and Vercel
Round_Head_6248@reddit
Scrum masters can do really important busywork, and I'd guess many dev teams consist of devs who think that small admin tasks don't fit in their role.
I think we've all had useless or terrible scrum masters at least once, and yes, they're pointless and a waste, but so is a lazy and/or bad dev. It's ALWAYS the management that's to blame for something because they hired/didn't react to such a waste if it happens. But maybe you all have experienced situations in your dev process were some dude who isn't in the programming treadmill could have really helped to take care of some issues.
JGreedy@reddit
First, they came for the scrum masters
And everyone cheered
Any-Woodpecker123@reddit
Scrum masters don’t really do anything anyway to be fair
johanneswelsch@reddit
There are quite a few "AI took my job" vidoes on youtube
ChallengeDiaper@reddit
There is zero reason this role should exist. Assuming you have some sort of Engineering Manager or lead role, that responsibility should fall on them.
Idea-Aggressive@reddit
Do those ppl really exist? Who listens?
grimonce@reddit
I don't think you know the meaning of the word existential, something being real doesn't mean it's not existential...
dbbk@reddit
I mean yeah Scrum Masters are a pretty useless role
Cool_As_Your_Dad@reddit
They let go of our scrum master at previous job.
There was 0 hiccup when they left. And 4 years later still replaced.
planetwords@reddit
Scrum masters never did anything anyway!
Repulsive_Constant90@reddit
scrum masters is not even a real job.
SadAd9828@reddit
Reminds me of the outsourcing craze a few decades ago.