AMD confirms Ryzen 5 9600X3D, 6-core Zen 5 CPU with 3D V-Cache
Posted by uria046@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 90 comments
Posted by uria046@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 90 comments
RedTuesdayMusic@reddit
If this is another microcenter thing I will gut a fool
Fragrant-Can-1467@reddit
Well at least some 7600X3Ds were made available to Canada Computers recently so there's hope for that
Fromagene@reddit
They are available but Germany only. Idk the logic behind
Mja8b9@reddit
They just don't have very many, they are made from 7800x3d that have a failed core (or something like that )
The issue is AMD has gotten pretty good at not having many failed CPU to make the lower one with, so they just clear them by sending them all to just a few sellers like MicroCenter, Canada Computers, and this one place in Germany I can't remember the name of...
But that really sucks for everyone else because this CPU is a true marvel. It uses crazy little power and makes crazy little heat and in 1440p and 4K it's basically the same gaming performance as the 9800x3d. It's the ONLY choice in my opinion if you are doing a SFF gaming rig. This should be a flagship product not niech.
sabwcu83@reddit
Correct, they were truly in a shortage bc the 7800x3d core architecture has a low failure rate in production. The recent availability is prob due to disabling cores if I had to guess. 7800x3d was sub 300 at MC recently, while the 7600x3d has been in stock there for months, priced at a steady 300 the entire last year or so. AMD is incentivized to have 7600x3ds around now that the 7800x3d is out of favor bc of 9800x3d adoption. While in the past that chip was truly rare.
sabwcu83@reddit
I only had access to the 7600x3d after the 9600x3d started to appear in random bios, so im waiting for that to update the travel rig.
Propagandist_Supreme@reddit
You can buy them from multiple retailers in Sweden, price is ass though and nearly same as 7800X3D so actually buying it locally would be idiotic.
https://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=13815020
Beautiful_Chest7043@reddit
It will likely be better gaming performer than 7800x3d so that makes it better value
r31ya@reddit
TSMC long production queue i suppose.
supercakefish@reddit
Also available in UK.
Klutzy-Residen@reddit
Most likely not enough supply to launch it worldwide, so having it in a few decently sized markets is easier for logistics.
RevAngel77@reddit
Looks like AMD will release a 7500X3D even before engineering samples for the 9600X3D. This probably will mean we have to wait longer.
NightNebuIa@reddit
Any new updates on release date? Cant find anything
RevAngel77@reddit
I bought a 7600X3D for 250€ in Germany and used it a couple of months now. Even with an A620 board it runs very well. Limited the power use a bit to 65W for the package and turned on ECO mode. Also turned on (the hidden and seriously hard to find) PBO setting in the BIOS/UEFI, and with that setting the CPU goes to (on one core, swapping the core regularly) 5.2GHz on older game titles that prefer one high core, even with the 65W package power setting. Temps are higher than on my previous 5600 with the same good double tower, 8mm air cooler, but that was expected due to the extra cache on top of the CPU packages. It is still cool, lower than 85°C on all core burn in tests. I limited the temperature max to 75°C in the BIOS/UEFI with no or little notice on the performance. PPT stays withing 68W on the 65W settings in BIOS/UEFI. No bottleneck or limitations to 100% a NV 4060, I would guess there is still some headroom for more powerful GPU's. Most games I play run fine, even without supersampling. But I leave that to the youtube videos about benchmarks. 250€ for the X3D cpu is not exactly budget, considering you also pay 120€ for a solid motherboard / mainboard and another 120€ for 32GB DDR5 6000 CL28 (sweet spot) RAM when you do a platform change from AM4 to AM5. But I liked the idea owning the only X3D CPU that runs with 65W TDP / 88W PPT and you can undervolt and limit the CPU even further without any noticeable performance loss, and still have astonishing 5.2GHz frequencies on single core for older games that need single core high frequencies (it's 4.8GHz turbo on all cores tho) thanks to PBO. Even within the limits I set to the power and temp usage. I am quite satisfied with the performance / power / costs this CPU brings to the table. But I am not a person to neglect that this could be my own "choice-supportive bias or post-purchase rationalization" (see wikipedia). For people still using AM4 platforms, it is their own choice if they can or want to invest 500€ for the platform change and the "smallest" X3D on AM5 or try to find AM4 X3D or non-X3D CPU's that also might make them happy or happier on their gaming systems.
chefchef97@reddit
If this is available to me in the UK I'm going to be sad
I got a 5700X3D at Christmas, but my B550 board died last week and I had to get a replacement for £80 to support all my M.2s
So if I've managed to spend the same on what would've otherwise gotten me a platform upgrade I'm angy
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
A 7600X without the 3D is still a better chip than your 5700X3D, in most games its better than a 5800X3D.
To get all the good features you need to be spending a lot more than £80 on an AM5 motherboard.
scottied1984@reddit
So true take an upvote. People but the highest level stuff with their hearts. 9700x here, gaming perfect 1440p with 4070tiS
bubblesort33@reddit
Hope it's not a Microcenter exclusive.
spacerays86@reddit
It'll be even more exclusive this time
work-school-account@reddit
Fry's Exclusive
Jmich96@reddit
OML I forgot about Fry's!
defaultfresh@reddit
RIP Frys Electronics
withlovefromspace@reddit
Such a badly managed tragedy. I had friends that worked there and they just did not give a shit, management was a mess. One of my friends that should never have been a manager anywhere was one. Then the actual executive decision making to not get into the online market sooner was also stupid. They had locations that could be modified to be partial warehouses. Woulda been nice to keep that place around to try new electronics in person and also pick stuff up locally.
Longjumping_North903@reddit
Plus their really shitty returns process.
RobertISaar@reddit
Circuit City.
rcp9ty@reddit
Radio Shack in store only exclusive
Gloriathewitch@reddit
eligibility: time machine owners
Gloriathewitch@reddit
you need to gi to microcenter and you have to have their credit card
Jonny_H@reddit
Depends on supply, doesn't matter if it's not "exclusive" if there's only like 5 of them total.
ButtPlugForPM@reddit
Only available at that one bodaga
imaginary_num6er@reddit
It will be sold by MindFactory too
chefchef97@reddit
Eugh, OCUK
reddit_equals_censor@reddit
remember, if you're already on am5, just wait for zen6 and get the most out of your socket, as zen6 will get 12 core unified ccds. so you might get an 8 core or 10 core (hopium) x3d chip for the price of a 9600x3d by then, especially if intel starts existing again.
don't "waste" your money if you can get a bunch better value not too long in the future.
if you're rich whatever of course.
shewtingg@reddit
I laughed out loud at "intel starts existing again" . Its true, anybody who wants to game is pretty much looking at AMD exclusively, its good and bad
supercakefish@reddit
Oh of course, I literally just bought the 7600X3D last week. What great timing 😭
Well at least I’m happy with the CPU. It’s easy for my Noctua D15 to keep cool and still delivers a huge boost in gaming performance over my previous i9-9900K.
EloquentPinguin@reddit
Throughout computer history buying tommorrow has always been better than buying yesterday.
Zen 6 will probably launch 1H26, so why not just wait for that.
lordlixo@reddit
And zen7 will probably be in a new platform so it's even better to wait for it
PrivateScents@reddit
No love for Zen8?
Strazdas1@reddit
Nah, just wait for Zen 9.
Nicholas-Steel@reddit
I think we'll have at least 1 more meaningful generation of CPU's on AM5 before moving to a new CPU Socket (AM6) though I expect there'll be something like the XT and X3D product ranges prolonging the AM5 platform alongside the new AM6 products like how AMD is still releasing new AM4 products alongside the AM5 products.
supercakefish@reddit
Performance of the 7600X3D seems pretty robust so it’s entirely possible it could last me that long. I guess games shouldn’t really get that much more CPU hungry until the PS6 is out and raises the baseline.
It’s very nice knowing I have the option to upgrade to Zen 6 3D if I deem it worthy though- something that’s new to me as Intel never provided that kind of freedom.
DNosnibor@reddit
Well, not always. In the long term it's true, but on a month by month basis it isn't always. Sometimes there's better deals, sometimes there's shortages, etc.
Saneless@reddit
Not if you wanted a 5700/5800x3D
supercakefish@reddit
Before buying I searched for rumours of 9600X3D and could only find info from way back in December, so I figured I couldn’t really wait who knows how long for 9600X3D to surface, as my i9-9900K was clearly holding my 5070 Ti back. Little did I know it would literally be the next week that new info on 9600X3D would surface lol
Yes I’m not going to change up to 9600X3D now, it’s too late - what’s done is done. I’ll just wait for Zen 6 3D now and see how the 10800X3D shapes up!
gpupoor@reddit
waiting 2 weeks (just an assumption of course) is different from waiting 6-7 months lol
floof_attack@reddit
Just remember it's all about bottlenecks. If your CPU can feed your GPU enough to keep it close to 100% utilization then you are fine.
Of course it is a bit more complex than that with making sure your RAM and PCIe speeds are also not a bottleneck but just opening up Task Manager and watching it as you play something is a good way to see if your overall platform is good enough.
For example I'm still on a AM4 platform with a 5800X3D. I got the 5800X3D as a drop in upgrade as I was having some issues with CPU performance and it fixed it perfectly. I've also recently upgraded to a 16GB 9060XT GPU and it also can keep it at 100%. It clearly is kinda right there at keeping it at 100% but it is doing it.
kuddlesworth9419@reddit
You put it off long enough and then you realise your hardware is 10+ years old.
rebelSun25@reddit
Nice. For the budget gamers. And that group is growing in this economy.
MumrikDK@reddit
If we keep letting companies define what is budget, midrange and high end, we'll all be ending up in budget soon.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
The market decides....the market is just richer than you...PC gaming only got cheap because the Xbox one and PS4 were shit tier when they released.
Strazdas1@reddit
PC gaming is very cheap compared to most hobbies.
rebelSun25@reddit
It used be kind of a lame group, but we're all getting corralled into it. May as well accept it 🤝
work-school-account@reddit
High end = enterprise datacenter
Midrange = consumer datacenter
Budget = everything else
__Rosso__@reddit
Maybe budget in the west.
Can't wait for this to cost at least 300 euros in Eastern Europe, probably 400.
Even 5700X3D never went below 300 euros where I live.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
At the resolutions people actually game at 1440p and above the Ryzen 5 5600 is actually perfectly fine.
You only need more CPU if you want a billionty frames per second in "e sports" games.
Strazdas1@reddit
im often CPU bottlenecked with a 7800x3d on 1440p. Some games are just CPU heavy.
Shadow647@reddit
Uh. Ryzen 7700 is consistently <200 EUR over here for the past couple of years.
__Rosso__@reddit
Where I am it's like 250 euros on average and CPU price is the least of the issues
AM5 MoBos are still good 50-100% more expensive then AM4 and DDR5 still costs an arm and a leg, before you even get to the CPU you are already anywhere between 50-100% over what AM4 system gives you.
And when you consider most people can't afford a PC that's more then 750 euros, and prices of modern GPUs, yeah
Shadow647@reddit
that's usually reserved for cases when people are comparing motherboards with 43829483 power stages and DDR5-10050000200000 support, basic boards (that are much more suitable to lower-end CPUs) do not really cost all that much.
DDR5 costs ~2.5 EUR/GB which is cheaper than DDR4 has ever been in it's lifecycle.
__Rosso__@reddit
Not where I live, even basic AM5 motherboards are still quite expensive to the point that if you are looking for a budget AM5 build (600-750 euros in my country), you will be stuck with a lower tier GPU.
This is the case for most places in Balkans, hence why in that price bracket AM4 is still the only real choice, everything here is good 25%+ more expensive.
Shadow647@reddit
What kind of Balkans are we talking about? Most of the Balkans are in the EU, there is no problem to order from other countries that have much lower prices.
__Rosso__@reddit
Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro are main examples, but despite being in EU similar issues existed for my friends in Greece, Romania and Bulgaria, tho for them it has gotten better now but still not great
996forever@reddit
Another low volume part exclusively made to garner internet positive reviews sold in outlets that are frequented exclusively by internet hardware forum users?
Healthy-Doughnut4939@reddit
I don't see the incentive for AMD to release this part other than as a Microcenter exclusive like the 5600X3D
If AMD does give the 9600X3D a broad release then it's because they want to take midrange marketshere from Intel with a cut down v cache parts.
Considering that Intel is not competing at all in single core performance against 3d v cache parts, I bet AMD is going to charge a premium for 6 v cache cores with cut down clocks.
Frankly it's astonishing that Intel STILL doesn't have a response to 3d v cache that debuted with Zen-3 in 2021. It's even rumored that Nova Lake LLC might not even get released, pushing large LLC back to Razar Lake.
Honestly this is inexcusably bad planning from Intel''s cpu teams.
conquer69@reddit
There was a very limited amount of 5600x3d cpus. That's why it wasn't a wide release.
Healthy-Doughnut4939@reddit
Come it, it is really that hard for AMD to laser off 2 cores and 2 L3 slices to get a 5600X3D?
The only reason there was a limited amount is because AMD wanted it to be a limited release?
theholylancer@reddit
No, that is doubly no for X3D chips...
AMD mostly only makes 8 core chiplets, they don't make 6 core one, so the only 6 core stuff are salvage die ones.
Well, X3D cache is added on AFTER they make the chiplet, so by that point they will not willingly throw out 6 core defective stuff to make X3D chips out of, so there are less than usual 6C X3D chiplets because they only send proper 8 cores that pass validation to be made into X3D chips for.
so the failure rate of it is only from a failed cache process somehow, which is a lower failure rate than normal because we start with perfectly good 8C chips.
and on top of it, they sell these defective chips in the 9900X3D, IE the biggest rip off possible because you are paying extra for defective cores, and why its the worst chip to buy out of X3Ds (and 7900X3D), and why at the end of life for a while the 7900X3D was cheaper than the 7800X3D because you get a full single 8C chip from the 7800X3D and no salvage die.
so the only chips that are going into a x600 class X3D chip is ones that failed into a 6c chip after being made into X3D chip that they know to start from a good 8C chip that won't pass the frequency requirement of being a 7900X3D chip
which means that its a tiny pool of possible chips to be sold and is stockpiled and sold thru special channels
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Once the production process is mature most 6 cores are actually perfectly fine 8 cores that are sacrificed. 8 core CPU's sitting on shelves unsold aren't making you money but cheaper 6 cores sell better so....
Healthy-Doughnut4939@reddit
If AMD wanted, they could laser off 2 cores and L3 on perfectly working dies, to release a lower tier product
It might be worse for margins than a hypothetical 6 core CCD but it would be possible
Yebi@reddit
It certainly is possible but why the fuck would they do that?
Healthy-Doughnut4939@reddit
Market segmentation
AMD did the same thing with the Phenom II X3
Sometimes it uses dies with 1 defective core and many other times, AMD disabled 1 core on a perfectly good Phenom II X4 die and sold it as a Phenom II X3
Unlike today where AMD copies Intel's method and lasers off parts of the core to disable it back then AMD only disabled the cores via software.
That's why many people were able to buy Phenom II X3's and then use software hacks to unlock the 4th disabled core.
The core was not guaranteed to work or be stable but many times it was perfectly fine.
Remember AMD has cut down perfectly capable parts in the past, it can do so again.
theholylancer@reddit
given the demand on 7800x3d and the server epycs for x3d
that is not something theyd do lol
VLAD1M1R_PUT1N@reddit
Blows my mind that Intel hasn't been able to come up with something. If we take a look back, they already did a couple of increased cache chips with the Broadwell 5775C and 5675C and their L4 addition versus Haswell. From my recollection it worked out similarly to AMD's first X3D efforts where it worked well in some scenarios, while losing to the older but faster Haswell in others due to power/thermal limitations.
Wizardofsmiles@reddit
Shouldn't the core count increase at some point for the zen 5/3? It's kinda crazy it's stuck @ 6.
__Rosso__@reddit
I mean 6 cores is still more than enough for 95% of people.
But yeah a core increase in one of next two gens would be nice for sake of keeping PCs with those CPUs usable in like 10 years.
Extra-Cold3276@reddit
Who's 95% of people?
For 95% of computer users, dedicated GPUs aren't necessary. But that's not the market that X3D users are targeting.
fmjintervention@reddit
95% of people building their own PCs. If you're building your own computer, you're an enthusiast to some degree and will likely be using your PC for stuff more intensive than office tasks. Thus more than 6 cores would be nice.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Most people on r hardware just use PC's as expensive games consoles, the only other software they use is a web browser.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
95% of games are playing on way worse hardware than what you think they are.
Zenith251@reddit
They're getting there. Zen6 is supposed to be a big change, introducing >8 core CCDs, meaning more options for all price tiers.
My only question is whether or not Zen6c will be a thing for consumer CPUs.
INITMalcanis@reddit
It's widely rumoured that Zen6 will have 12-core CCDs, but these are still only rumours ("leaks").
kikimaru024@reddit
Zen chiplets are stuck at 8 cores per CCD.
So Ryzen 9 gets the chips with 8+8 or 6+6.
Ryzen 7 gets 8+0.
And lower bins get the rest.
BlueGoliath@reddit
3D cache on a 6 core CPU is probably a waste.
Not_Yet_Italian_1990@reddit
It has already been done. And it was not a waste.
Gloriathewitch@reddit
this is going to be superb for itx mini pcs
SmashStrider@reddit
Sounds like an amazing value CPU that's unfortunately probably going to end up being a Microcenter exclusive
sharkyzarous@reddit
to the suprise of nobody
Capable-Silver-7436@reddit
im not surprrised, 5600x3d, 5500x3d, 7600x3d, only normal for this generation to get its turn too
Soulspawn@reddit
This sounds great if it's readily available globally.
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